I'm posting this here because I could not find the original thread.....
DISContinuum 2003 BAG TAG CHALLENGE
Jay kicked off the idea and ran with it after quick general approval of club officers. We now have 25 VERY nice metal bag tags with straps! They will be available beginning Feb. 1st, at the DISContinuum Ice Bowl. Sometime following the 3rd round, Jay and Jim will be distributing bag tags. Those present at the Ice Bowl who want a bag tag will draw cards for which numbered tag they receive. After that, it will be on a first-come, first-served basis.
I recommend that Bag Tags cost $10 for members, $15 for non-members. The object is to challenge and play other bag tag holders for the lower numbered tag. You may not decline a challenge unless it is a casual round. However,you may accept a challenge during a casual round. Any doubles format is not included; it must be individual play. It may be at any disc golf tournament hosted by DISContinuum, PDGA, or other club. It may be during the summertime Singles league.
I also recommend that to be eliglible to finish with any of the top 5 tags, you must do battle (challenge or accept a challenge) at least 3 times during the year with any other DISContinuum bag tag holder. Bag Tag Challenge ends 12/31/03.
Prizes will be plaques and few but premium discs?
Plus, everyone gets to keep whatever tag they end up with as a momento.
Wow! A double-post 14 minutes apart! How'd you accomplish that?! :-p
I assume that a copy of the rules will accompany each of the tags?
It'll be a few days since I don't have a digicam. They are heavy-duty and well done. Tags 1-5 have a bronze tint and 6-25 have a silver tone.
I was a thunkin...
We originally said that no doubles/best shots would qualify for BTChallenge. Well, would this example be acceptable:
Best Shot League. Myk (BT#8) and Jim (BT#16) are one team; in the same group are Brett (BT#3) and Jay (BT#17). Myk and Jim challenge Brett and Jay. If Myk/Jim win, Myk gets Brett's #3 and Jim gets Jay's #17. Brett would get Myk's #8 and Jay would get Jim's #16. The thinking being that the lower numbers swap and the higher numbers swap.
This might make things more interesting and allow more challenges throughout the year. Seem fair?
cool, you gonna post a picture of the tags?
One thing I like about the bag tag challenge is that anything can go as long as all involved have agreed before the round. Of course you need to follow the rules during tournaments due the card restrictions but I see some very fun casual rounds this year. Yeah, you don't have to accept a challenge during a casual round but I think it will be fun this year playing for the tags. Casual play can turn competitive now & all of us will improve from that.
Here is another interesting thing for the bag tag challenge. Say Pro Richard comes to me & wants to challenge in a casual round. Understanding that I don't have a chance striaght up I could negotiate for strokes.
The bag tags looks SWEET!!!
IMO...No mandatory trading during best shot....unless agreed too before the round. Best 2 tags should go to winner, it is a long year you might get it back. I also feel that at other events around this great world, tag holders can challenge another tag holder that is not on his card.
I have played the WI bag tag for the last few years. They play ties do not change tags. Have had a few pros give me a few strokes when I had the lower # but not when I was trying for their lower #. It depends on who your shotting against. I will give a few of you a stroke or more, but I don't think that it should be mandatory. Everyone has their day, look at the 1st place Ams at the Uncle Joes ice bowl, they might have cashed in Pro.
Well put Jim!
At the Ice Bowl I will also have copies of the Bag Tag Challenge Rules sheet. It covers when you can and cannot refuse challenges and other things like that.
So come on everyone, grab a friend and grab a tag! Wether your a big arm or a small arm its all about the fun. Oh yeah and helping the club, so buy a tag ya cheapskates :-)
I would treat it as a casual challenge, I don't think it would be a good idea to enforce that sort of a situation. Then again. it might make someone like Fernando more likely to particpate in the challenge. He's kinda like "whats the point" since he feels hes on a lower level than everyone else.
So for best shot leagues, I would say no don't enforce it, keep it optional, but it may be an idea for at say best shot tournaments like at the tag premier Ice Bowl.
QuoteJim (01-22-2003 09:37 p.m.):
We originally said that no doubles/best shots would qualify for BTChallenge. Well, would this example be acceptable:
Best Shot League. Myk (BT#8) and Jim (BT#16) are one team; in the same group are Brett (BT#3) and Jay (BT#17). Myk and Jim challenge Brett and Jay. If Myk/Jim win, Myk gets Brett's #3 and Jim gets Jay's #17. Brett would get Myk's #8 and Jay would get Jim's #16. The thinking being that the lower numbers swap and the higher numbers swap.
One more note if we did do something like that though, I would say do this. Winning team gets the two lowest tags, other team the two higher tags. Then once each team has their tags whoever had the better previous tag gets the new better tag. In your example Jim, even though your team won you got a worse tag, while I the loser got a better one.
Brings me to another note. Not sure if this has been brought up, but on a tourney card with say three people on it Jim #12, Jay #10, and Brett #3. We are all in a challenge together. S at the end of the round best score gets the best tag and son on. So basically, what I'm saying whoever is a tag holder on a card is involved in the challenge not just two people.
Okay I'm rambling....
They arived at Jims place yesterday.
Here is what the tags look like. Not though, as Jim said 1-5 or in a gold/bronze coloring, while the rest are in a silver coloring.
Glad you like them Steve!
Glad you like them Steve!
What can I say except that I'm talented!
The rules we had come up with in regards to tournaments is :
QuoteIt is mandatory to accept challenges on the card at any organized tournament. This includes all one day or two day tournaments. If there are two or more tags present it is on. It is not mandatory to accept a challenge from another card, unless there is no tag on the card to challenge, then that player must accept any challenge from another card.
All challenges on the card supercede any challenge from another card. Example, you may have a challenge with your buddy who is on another card. You also have a challenge going on your card. You have to settle with your card first, then you can settle any other challenge you may have.
So basically you may challenge someone on another card and depending on the situation they may or may not have to accept it.
QuoteMyndCraft (01-22-2003 06:50 p.m.):
At the Ice Bowl I will also have copies of the Bag Tag Challenge Rules sheet. It covers when you can and cannot refuse challenges and other things like that.
Sorry had to give ya a hard time Mirth, after my double post blunder :-)
Very good point Damon and one wich hasn't come up. I propose that in a case of tie, the "win" goes to the defender of the better tag.
I look at it like this, if you have a higher number your challenging the better number, to get it beat them, ya tie, well better luck next time?
What do others think, so I can be sure to include it in the rules sheet.
I'm going to agree with Shawn and Jon. In a serious setting(tourney) its straight win or lose. In casual its entirely up to the two competitors. If they want to give one another a handicap its between them.
And Jon, I with ya on your comment about beating Shawn.... [whispers, so Shawn can't hear] Maybe we could break his legs :-)
When are the tags coming in?
I kind of look at this as a "who's the top dog" or a "king of the hill" thing. Whoever is best should have the top tag. It's not always going to be an even match. But I tell you, if I beat Shawn on strokes no matter what the course is, that's going to mean something to me.
maybe I missed this, but suppose there's a challenge and then the round is tied? Playoff or do the tags stay the same?
QuoteShawn (01-24-2003 08:29 a.m.):
I have played the WI bag tag for the last few years. They play ties do not change tags. .
That's what I figured and would agree with.
QuoteHave had a few pros give me a few strokes when I had the lower # but not when I was trying for their lower #. It depends on who your shotting against.
Also makes sense. Figure that in a casual round, anything is negotiable ;)
thanks,
Damon
QuoteJim (01-22-2003 09:37 p.m.):
It'll be a few days since I don't have a digicam. They are heavy-duty and well done. Tags 1-5 have a bronze tint and 6-25 have a silver tone.
Jim,
I don't have a quality digital camera myself but I do have access to one. Internet Marketing, or, "the pretty picture people", have a very nice 4.1 mega pix camera that works extremely well on detailed close up shots (can lift small text off a magazine). I will be playing Bevier Saturday morning/afternoon for practice for the Ice Bowl. If you want I would be happy to bring the camera and take some pictures and send them to you for posting.
I was planning on being there around 11:00 until whenever. Just let me know!
OMG! Those are SO sweet!
*note to self, bring more money Saturday for Bag Tag*