DISContinuum DISCussion

4th DISContinuum Blast
PDGA Sanctioned-> RC Tier Event (Ratings Based Event)
September 11th & 12th
Bevier Park
Waukegan, IL
9:15AM Player Meeting. Tee off thereafter.

2 Rounds of 18 holes.
6 Temporary holes will be added for the event.

100% Payouts
Brass Cash (Funny Money) will be awarded to Ams. You can use brass cash from Illinois Open Series at this event.

You DO NOT have to be a PDGA Member to play this event or have a rating. Please read flyer to find a division that suits your playing ability.

Flyer is attached with more details.

Saturday 09-11-04
White-> Under 900
Red-> Under 875
Green-> Under 825
Purple-> Under 775

Sunday 09-12-04
Gold-> Open
Silver-> Under 955
Bronze-> Under 925

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Here is the stamp we are using for some discs at the Blast.

slam looks goods

whose artwork?

I did the robot and the Blast type. Jon added in the tourney info.

nice!

That's probably one of the sweetest stamps I've seen in a long time. Good work, Kyle. Glad to see that UW-Parkside education finally paying off  :P  

QuoteI did the robot and the Blast type. Jon added in the tourney info.

Kyle, that was a fantastic job on the art! Hopefully you don't mind what I did. It's not really a Brakel tourney stamp until it has the arc of text.  ;)  

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QuoteI did the robot and the Blast type. Jon added in the tourney info.

Kyle, that was a fantastic job on the art! Hopefully you don't mind what I did. It's not really a Brakel tourney stamp until it has the arc of text.  ;)

Kyle, did you use Jon as a model? That diet's really working....

We will need 3 portable baskets for the Blast. I have a Mach3 & Sergio is going to let us use his chainstar. Hopefully i'll have enough to get a Chainstar after IO Series #3. That would give us 3.

Shawn, can we use your Discatcher?

Anyone else have a quality basket?

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Shawn, can we use your Discatcher?

Anyone else have a quality basket?

Sure just let me know when and I'll give it to one of the boys if I can not attend.  

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Shawn, can we use your Discatcher?

Anyone else have a quality basket?

Sure just let me know when and I'll give it to one of the boys if I can not attend.

Thanks Shawn! I'll get in contact with you before the tournament.  

Are some of the extra holes across McAree Rd? I remember the extra 3 holes around the baseball diamond from the "Callahan" last year but wondering where 3 others might be....?

QuoteAre some of the extra holes across McAree Rd? I remember the extra 3 holes around the baseball diamond from the "Callahan" last year but wondering where 3 others might be....?

As of now, all 6 wil be on the soccer field, baseball field, & the north side of the baseball field.  

Things are coming along & good news came today.

1. Basket A has been ordered & will be in the ground soon.
2. We get to use the pavillion for the event for free.
3. Both soccer & baseball fields are closed for the year so we'll be setting up all 6 temp holes in those areas.
4. We have 4 good portable baskets so far. We need 2 more. I have a lead on 1 but need help with locating 1 more.
5. Anyone have a copy of Excel that I can barrow?

This might be a dumb question, but:
The temp holes will be taken down and then set-up each day, right?

QuoteThis might be a dumb question, but:
The temp holes will be taken down and then set-up each day, right?

Yes

Brett - I got your Office needs covered.

better get the permission to use the fields in writing

and post flyers accordingly at the fields stating they will used for disc golf

u never know when a soccer game will break out
"oh we play here every sat or sun in the fall"
or if someone has planned a b day party or something  

I believe our permit says we have the use of the soccer field & ball diamond, at minimum the e-mail from Trigg does... I'm sure if we have a hard copy of that the cops would accept it as proof if it came to that.

Quotebetter get the permission to use the fields in writing

and post flyers accordingly at the fields stating they will used for disc golf

u never know when a soccer game will break out
"oh we play here every sat or sun in the fall"
or if someone has planned a b day party or something

Post those signs en Espanol.

How about elbonian?

I'm working :( I won't be able to play.

If you want to preregister, you can send checks to
Brett Comincioli
1018 Lotus Dr
Round Lake Beach, IL 60073

Click here for non-PDGA member preregistration (http://discontinuum.org/Events/blast2004/B2k4-Reg-nonPDGA.html)
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Thanks for the preregistration pages Mirth!

I have secured 5 portable baskets for the event. 3 chainstars, 1 mach3, & 1 discatcher. I need 1 more quality basket. Anyone know who has one?

M14, but I don't know if you'd consider that 'quality'

QuoteM14, but I don't know if you'd consider that 'quality'

I was hoping to locate a chainstar, mach2,3,or 5, or discatcher. I think Diron has a Discatcher Sport that is better than an M14. We may end up having to use the M14 so i'll keep you in mind.

wutevah

Craig Shaub has a mach 2 portable and mine is also at his house so I should be able to grab both.

QuoteCraig Shaub has a mach 2 portable and mine is also at his house so I should be able to grab both.

Shawn, That would be AWESOME!! That would give us 6 quality baskets.  

Terry Miller has pre-registered for the event.

Talked to Chris Heeren last night & he said he will most likely be there.  

Here is the layout for the tournament. Mirth is going to update a map & have the temp holes & safari holes mapped once I get a map to him. I will have the distances for the temp & safari holes in a week or so. There will be some rope OB for the temp holes and another hole with OB if you don't make it into the baseball field. Hole E will be a long throw across the soccer field & will have a basket placement right next to the pond.


On & over roads-> Out of bounds.
On & over parking lot-> Out of bounds.
Pond & Stream-> Out of bounds.
Tennis & Basketball Courts-> Out of bounds
See special OB on temp holes ( )

Round 1
1-> 193ft.
2-> 302ft.
3-> 250ft.
4-> 179ft.
5-> 260ft.
6-> 163ft.
A1-> 189ft.
7-> 287ft.
8-> 224ft.
B2-> 241ft.
C2-> 266ft.
9-> 284ft.
D-> 200ft. (Rope OB)
E-> 442ft. (Baseball field OB)
F-> 295ft. (If you don't make it into the baseball field, you are OB) Drop Zone in right field.
G-> 412ft. (Rope along  border of park OB)
H-> 325ft. (Baseball field OB)
I-> 211ft. (Rope OB)

Total Distance-> 4,723ft.
Average Hole Length-> 262ft.

Round 2
19 (1)-> 177ft.
11 (2)-> 359ft.
12 (3)-> 296ft.
13 (4)-> 244ft.
23 (5)-> 302ft.
24 (6)-> 232ft.
A3 (A)-> 165ft.
25 (7)-> 395ft.
17 ( 8 )-> 242ft.
B3 ( B )-> 168ft.
C3 ( C )-> 283ft.
27 (9)-> 331ft.
D-> 200ft. (Rope OB)
E-> 442ft. (Baseball field to right OB)
F-> 295ft. (If you don't make it into the baseball field, you are OB) Drop Zone in right field.
G-> 412ft. (Rope along border of park)
H-> 325ft. (Baseball Field OB)
I-> 211ft. (Rope OB)

Total Distance-> 5,079ft.
Average Hole Length-> 282ft.

Final 4 Safari (Gold Division Only)
1-> 588ft.
2-> 572ft.
3-> 613ft.
4-> 869ft.



Edited for distance updates.

Looks pretty cool, im looking foward to playing it.  Are the 6 temp holes just gonna be out in the field like just tee and basket or are there gonna be some obsticles in the way?

QuoteLooks pretty cool, im looking foward to playing it.  Are the 6 temp holes just gonna be out in the field like just tee and basket or are there gonna be some obsticles in the way?

There will be obstacles on 4 of the 6 & some type of OB on 5 of them. The one that runs across the soccer field will be 370ft or so backed by water. It has no obstacles but will still be a tough hole. The other that is pretty open will be 350 or so with a single tree protecting the basket. Many people will not clear the 3rd base fence and that may become an obstacle as well. All 6 are fun holes. Would you agree Dan?

i thinking about playin im not sure yet if i do play i will play in rec  

the 6 temp holes will be some of the more fun holes on the course i think.  they will also provide a couple opportunities to open up and rip some drives, which makes for a nice balance with the rest of the course.  

just asking...

If someone should "cash" on Sat, could that be applied toward the entry fee on Sunday?

Quotejust asking...

If someone should "cash" on Sat, could that be applied toward the entry fee on Sunday?

If they cash in a division that pays cash to pros and they are a pro, of course their cash is good on Sunday.  We are not paying Canadian on Saturday.

If they prize on Saturday, then the situation is different and the answer necessitates some interlinear interpretation:

When I buy prizes at Discraft, a lot of those guys, like Mike and Keith and the office girls, are amateurs.  I have no problem buying prizes from amateurs, therefore.  But when I buy prizes from Mike and Keith, or the office girls if Mike and Keith are not there, I don't pay retail.

Go interlinear with that and talk to me well after the Saturday event is done and we're just sitting around cooking hot dogs.

All the temp & safari holes have been marked and measured. The temp holes have been marked by orange spray painted x's. The safari tees have been marked by white X's. The only safari tee that has not been marked is #1. The tee will be on the east side of the building on the path about 10 to 15 feet north of the water fountain. There will be a map online soon if you want to practice them.

Brett: Can I still bring my basket to you this weekend?

I'd rather you have it so I don't have to be there "real" early  :D  Although, if there is any help that is needed, I'm sure I can get there to help out.

QuoteBrett: Can I still bring my basket to you this weekend?

I'd rather you have it so I don't have to be there "real" early  :D  Although, if there is any help that is needed, I'm sure I can get there to help out.

Sergio, that is fine. I have plenty of room in my garage & I feel good having it. Thanks again!

Here's a proto copy of the map. If Brett likes how it looks it will be the final version. The tees and basket placements for the temp and safari holes are essentially accurate....

wow those temp and final 4 blue holes look SWEET as hell.(and a little scary to be honest)
im exciting to play  

Yeah, its gonna be fun watching the pros play the final 4. I hear Brett has some crazy OB planned for the temp holes

Edited D for clarification.

Mirth, Fantastic job with the map! Thanks a ton! If you want to practice these holes, they are marked with spray paint & highly visible right now. Print a map & check them out.

Here are my plans for the temp holes.
D-> Rope will run the entire left side of the fairway. It will run on the south side of the soccer field then wrap around behind the basket. Anything outside the rope will be out of bounds.
E-> The baseball field to the right will be out of bounds. The basket sits on level ground but drops off drastically to the pond. Many upshots & putts may find the water. Maybe some long drives as well.
F-> Any shot that does not make it into the baseball field will be out of bounds. If the discs lands out of bounds, there will be a drop zone marked in right field of the baseball diamond.
G-> If I have enough rope, there will be out of bounds on this hole. The rope will run from the left field corner of the baseball diamond to the northeast. There will be a good sized landing zone but anything that burns & crosses to the right of the fence or rope will be out of bounds.
H-> Road to right & on or over the parking lot entrance is out of bounds. Baseball field to left is also OB.
I-> Rope will line the entire left side of the fairway. Anyone that tries to spike or thumber over the top will pay the price if they go left.

The final 4 Safari Holes will be fun to watch. #1 is 3'able. This hole could play very tough if there is a head wind. It's all of 330 to clear the water with a moderate opening between the willows. Any errant throw will hit the willows & have a good chance of being knocked down into the water.  I think it's going to take 2 fantastic shots to 3 #2. There is some nasty shule on this hole & we'll need spotters . #3 is 3'able. #4 will be a good 4 with many obstacles and a tight fairway early with the street and water out of bounds. So in my opinion, I think the best score for the final 4 would be 13. Personally I think the best score will be a 14 becuase someone is going to miss either #2 or #3. These will separate the boys from the men.

QuoteMirth, Fantastic job with the map! Thanks a ton! If you want to practice these holes, they are marked with spray paint & highly visible right now. Print a map & check them out.

Here are my plans for the temp holes.
D-> Rope will run the entire left side on the soccer field then wrap around behind the basket. Anything outside the rope will be out of bounds.

Do you mean the south side of the field, or "near side"? If it's the "left side", I infer that as the North side, or crossing through the fairway for hole E.

I hope to take a look at these on Sunday. Eric's got a baseball contest thing at Cell-your-Soul Field tomorrow so I'm going to miss the IO; may stop by to watch the pro finals on Sunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

But I'm planning on making the Blast; Sun will be the only time I'll get a chance to try the extra holes ahead of time; then I may head up to Parkside.

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QuoteMirth, Fantastic job with the map! Thanks a ton! If you want to practice these holes, they are marked with spray paint & highly visible right now. Print a map & check them out.

Here are my plans for the temp holes.
D-> Rope will run the entire left side on the soccer field then wrap around behind the basket. Anything outside the rope will be out of bounds.

Do you mean the south side of the field, or "near side"? If it's the "left side", I infer that as the North side, or crossing through the fairway for hole E.

I hope to take a look at these on Sunday. Eric's got a baseball contest thing at Cell-your-Soul Field tomorrow so I'm going to miss the IO; may stop by to watch the pro finals on Sunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

But I'm planning on making the Blast; Sun will be the only time I'll get a chance to try the extra holes ahead of time; then I may head up to Parkside.

Rope will run the entire left side of D's fairway. It will run on the south side of the soccer field then bend around behind the basket. Sorry for the confusion.  

QuoteSunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

Since i'm a nice guy & you did donate to my cause at Crystal Lake with both points & brass cash, I will pay 1/2 your $33.00 entry fee if you decide to come.  

Will you pay half my entry fee too? :P

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QuoteSunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

Rope will run the entire left side of D's fairway. It will run on the south side of the soccer field then bend around behind the basket. Sorry for the confusion.
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Since i'm a nice guy & you did donate to my cause at Crystal Lake with both points & brass cash, I will pay 1/2 your $33.00 entry fee if you decide to come.

I figured that's what you meant.

Wotta guy; I might just take you up on that offer.  :D  

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QuoteSunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

Rope will run the entire left side of D's fairway. It will run on the south side of the soccer field then bend around behind the basket. Sorry for the confusion.
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Since i'm a nice guy & you did donate to my cause at Crystal Lake with both points & brass cash, I will pay 1/2 your $33.00 entry fee if you decide to come.

I figured that's what you meant.

Wotta guy; I might just take you up on that offer.  :D

Sorry Mirth, I only have one 1/2 entry in me :P .


Damon, let me know so I can bring some extra cash. Good karma will hopefully lead to a deduction of a few strokes each round.  

We are going to need a volunteers for both days. This is a club event and we need all the help we can get. Please help the day you aren't playing.

I have to work the Friday night before the event. I'll be out at the park getting as much done as I can on Thursday night the 9th. Any help would be much appreciated.


There are currently 5 Pre-Registered players.  

Myk, Serg, Jojo,
    Could I get your help? Shawn & Craig have volunteered to lend their portable baskets for the event. Could someone pick them up from Shawn this week. I'll be driving thru Kenosha on Monday(Labor Day) & could pick them up on my way to Milwaukee or the way back. Any help would be appreciated.
Let me know.

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QuoteSunday - I'll pass on donating to Adv this time  ;)

Rope will run the entire left side of D's fairway. It will run on the south side of the soccer field then bend around behind the basket. Sorry for the confusion.
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Since i'm a nice guy & you did donate to my cause at Crystal Lake with both points & brass cash, I will pay 1/2 your $33.00 entry fee if you decide to come.

I figured that's what you meant.

Wotta guy; I might just take you up on that offer.  :D

Sorry Mirth, I only have one 1/2 entry in me :P .


Damon, let me know so I can bring some extra cash. Good karma will hopefully lead to a deduction of a few strokes each round.

For the Blast,  I have 2 1/2 entry fees that I will pay. Good Karma came into play on several occastions on Sunday so I want to do it again. PM me if you are interested. I get to decide who to give it to though & might have some fun doing it.  :D  Damon cannot participate in this since he's already used his 1/2 free pass.

BTW, funny stories or begging helps :) .

I forgot to add. Any 1/2 sponsorship by me includes 1/2 winnings to me as well. B)  

Brett:
Are you going to Milwaukee for the Ace Race?

I might be able to pick the baskets up. Let me make sure.

QuoteBrett:
Are you going to Milwaukee for the Ace Race?

I might be able to pick the baskets up. Let me make sure.

Yes, I am going to the ace race. Are you going? Dan & I are thinking about making a day out of it. Maybe hitting a new course then heading to the ace race. We'll see if we can work something out.  

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QuoteBrett:
Are you going to Milwaukee for the Ace Race?

I might be able to pick the baskets up. Let me make sure.

Yes, I am going to the ace race. Are you going? Dan & I are thinking about making a day out of it. Maybe hitting a new course then heading to the ace race. We'll see if we can work something out.

If I can get the baskets, do you think I could ride with you guys?

QuoteWe are going to need a volunteers for both days. This is a club event and we need all the help we can get. Please help the day you aren't playing.

I have to work the Friday night before the event. I'll be out at the park getting as much done as I can on Thursday night the 9th. Any help would be much appreciated.


There are currently 5 Pre-Registered players.

I will be happy to donate my time on Sunday...I'm playing on Saturday.

My girlfriend is planning on coming to town to play as well, so I have to get back to you with what time I will be able to get there on Sunday. Hopefully she'll let me come for most of the day, but she is travelling from Madison to play.

If there is anything that can be done before hand, let me know. I can plan on getting there early Saturday and helping with things before I play...just nothing that will be too strenuous on my arms  :P  

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QuoteBrett:
Are you going to Milwaukee for the Ace Race?

I might be able to pick the baskets up. Let me make sure.

Yes, I am going to the ace race. Are you going? Dan & I are thinking about making a day out of it. Maybe hitting a new course then heading to the ace race. We'll see if we can work something out.

If I can get the baskets, do you think I could ride with you guys?

For sure, you can have a ride. I will bring the explorer. Can you contact Shawn to see when you guys can hook up. He is going to be heading out of town for a torney then for vacation. Thanks for the help Serg.  

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QuoteWe are going to need a volunteers for both days. This is a club event and we need all the help we can get. Please help the day you aren't playing.

I have to work the Friday night before the event. I'll be out at the park getting as much done as I can on Thursday night the 9th. Any help would be much appreciated.


There are currently 5 Pre-Registered players.

I will be happy to donate my time on Sunday...I'm playing on Saturday.

My girlfriend is planning on coming to town to play as well, so I have to get back to you with what time I will be able to get there on Sunday. Hopefully she'll let me come for most of the day, but she is travelling from Madison to play.

If there is anything that can be done before hand, let me know. I can plan on getting there early Saturday and helping with things before I play...just nothing that will be too strenuous on my arms  :P

There might be some minor stuff in the morning. I don't expect any players to do any serious work before they play. Personally, I like having the hour before the event to get out & practice myself.

If you could come Sunday, that would be fantastic. We always need someone watching club merch & bag tags challenge.  

O.k., here's a funny story then:

Leo is 70 years old and knows more about lawyering than any lawyer I know.  We had lunch today and chatted about a wide range of topics from his deceased game show host brother, Art James, to horse racing, to religion, to politics.  And lawyering:  He was telling me at lunch today that when he has nothing at all to plea bargain with, he'll sit down next to the prosecutor, put on a sad puppy look and say in a quiet, tired voice, "Please.  I'm just trying to make a living here.  Anything at all..."

Pay my entry fee and I'll donate my winnings to the club of your choice.  Pay half and I'll donate half.  [sad look, quiet voice] "Please.  I'm just trying to win one of my cool trophies here.  Anything at all..." [/histrionics]  

I'm not to proud to beg.  My frugality is kicking the ass of any pride I ever had.  I'm on my knees.

I'm working and can't volunteer or play at the blast  :(  

QuoteI'm working and can't volunteer or play at the blast  :(

That Green trophy may go begging.  I just finished lettering the MDGO Finals micro basket minis so now i'm going to go throw dye at the Blast trophy discs.  Remind me to set up and do a new IOS Overals for Kris Hutter while I'm at it.  *sigh*  Still don't see why anyone would steal a trophy disc for a division they did not play.  Must be some illiterate jerk.  When you see him throwing it at the park, how about you beat the crap out of him?

Eddie is gonna play the purple division... the womens division.. while i am gonna play gold

QuoteEddie is gonna play the purple division... the womens division.. while i am gonna play gold

The Pros would be more than happy for you to play Gold. An added cash donation is always good.  

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QuoteEddie is gonna play the purple division... the womens division.. while i am gonna play gold

The Pros would be more than happy for you to play Gold. An added cash donation is always good.

That sounds like a challenge.  first im gonna take purple divison title away from eddie then im gonna go sunday and destroy some guy name barry sholtz

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QuoteEddie is gonna play the purple division... the womens division.. while i am gonna play gold

The Pros would be more than happy for you to play Gold. An added cash donation is always good.

That sounds like a challenge.  first im gonna take purple divison title away from eddie then im gonna go sunday and destroy some guy name barry sholtz

I tell ya what I will do, If you cash in the Gold Division, I will pay you the same amount out of my pocket.  

Which club members will be attending the DISContinuum Blast?

QuoteWhich club members will be attending the DISContinuum Blast?

I'm planning on it but can't commit...  B)  

[nevermind]The pre-reg field doesn't seem to be getting updated.[/nevermind]

I plan on playing on Saturday.
I was going to bring my pre-registration with me on Monday...is this OK, Brett?

Is there going to be food available to purchase at the Blast?

QuoteI plan on playing on Saturday.
I was going to bring my pre-registration with me on Monday...is this OK, Brett?

That is cool Serg!!  What color division are you playing?

Dr Dye & Myk, Are you going to be able to make it?

I'm playing my rating...892. I'll be in the White Division.

QuoteDr Dye & Myk, Are you going to be able to make it?

I wont be able to get off work on Sat, so if I do play, it will probably be Sunday at the Bronze level.

Supersoft...you going to cash at the Gold level and beat Barry Sholtz :lol:

Something tells me that Barry Shultz will not be attending our RC teir tourney.  Although it would be a treat to see you get your ass wooped by the champ, along with the rest of the Gold level players.  


Good luck with that ;)  

I'll be playing in the Grey division.  Is there a Grey division?  Fat division?  Silver.  I'll be playing Silver so I can donate to Brett on another Brett home course.

The trophy discs are all under dye.  Except the replacement Hutter disc.

I'm planning on playing Saturday and I am hoping to be able to help out on Sunday, too.  

I'll try to get my pre-reg stuff together ASAP.  I think my 3 IO series showings give me a rating just slightly below Kelsey's.   While a great rating for a young lady, for a 30 year old man, it's a little humbling.   :(

Bruce, ask her to take it easy on me, please.  

Anyway, looking forward to it!  

~Steve

That is a gorgeous disc that Dr Dye has for an avatar at this moment!  I wish I had the patience to do that kind of work.  

I'm looking at over a dozen trophy discs here thinking, "Which one should I post on Discontinuum, and how many of them should I remember to bring to the tournament?"  

The "White First" is a little more distinguishable than the way it scanned.  I like the herring bone pattern on this one.  I did two or three with the herring bone.

I was really looking forward to coming out to this tournament. Things are just not looking up. After looking forward to lockport tournament saturday, i got done auctioning saturday night and got a phone call from my mom, she told me my brother had got in an accident with her car. Turns out he was drunk and out driving with his g/f and went off the road and flipped the car over a few times (completely totalled the car) and mananged to get them both out alive (remarkably). I can just image how they felt is my son ok is he hurt he was in the hospitol in a neck brace, he was ok and was sent to jail for the dui and other violatoins. His g/f had minor cuts and bruises. My dad just put $1000 into fixing that car to run for a while longer, and had just taken full coverage off 2 days prior. I went through a lot of emotion and thought i could have lost my only brother. Sunday came i headed out to lockport for the tournament in my sisters geo (it gets great gas milage way more than my piece) i got there i felt good had good putting drives were ok. The first round went horible played worst golf, found out chris heerin also played very bad, i was in 10th or so and thought ok i can go out there and shoot a good round, i continued to struggle on this watery, wooded course of confusion. ended out of the money, my first no prize of the year and first out of top 5 tournament. just a horrible day for me got home went to bed and thought ok tomorrow will be ok i will go to the ace race in milwaukee with my g/f and well have a fun day. Driving in my sisters geo once again everything looked good looked forward to the day ahead (so i thought) about 10 miles out of milwaukee the car decided to act up it didnt want to go anywhere something was wrong i pulled over and tried to see what it was, couldnt figure it out (dumb foreigh cars) Went to start the car up and there was nothing, god what could go wrong now. Started walking to the next exit about a mile and a half with my g/f. Suddenly a car decided to pull over, oh man what kind of sicko is gonna pick us up and try to rape us or something the worst things are goin through my head, it was a couple i was releived, they were really nice i told them about my disc golf event, they said they both played disc golf how cool, they talked about differnt parks one with people who fly model planes and then droped us off at the gas station. Tried callin home didnt know what to do it wasnt my car. my dad came and picked me up got there at 1:30 the car died at 10:45. We headed into the nearest town trying to find a place who could work on the car nothing was open (holiday). We ended up thinking we should come back tomorrow. We headed home, i could only think that my sisters car she has done so much to, tomorrow is her first day of school, all she talked about was wanting to have a car to take to school. i told her she can use my van whenever, and i will pay to fix her car even if she says she is gonna pay cuz she says it wasnt my fault. All in all i donated money this weekend to a tournament, gas in my sisters car, and now fixing her car. Just dont know if i will have the funds for this tournament, these are the times when i wish i had a sponsor. Sorry for boring you with my story and my problems. Heres what i think about this weekend 8===D ~ :')

that sucks about your brother, and the geo

my brother had a couple duis, got his license taken away, and kept driving and got caught.

now he has to goto classes and shit and spend a bundle on lawyers. make sure your bro handles the legal situation or it could be a mess.

everything happens for a reason man, dont let it get you down

Justin,

Sorry to hear about your weekend. Hope your bro & his gf are ok.

As for the tournament, don't let it get you down. Even the best pros have a bad day here & there. That course is tough and weird. Were you playing it blind?

Only Bruce has applied for the Brett sponsorship. I think your situation deserves the sponsorship if you want it. I will pay the $32.00 entry fee for you to play silver. Brett sponsorships work like this. You get to play the Blast PDGA Event for free & get a rating/points. You also get to play for a trophy. If you win it, it is yours. Any CTP's won go to you. If you cash, the brass cash goes to me. Let me know if you are interested.  

I'll be out at Bevier around 2:30PM today. I'm going to do some weed whacking on hole #27 & C3. I'm also going to try to fix basket A so it's not so high. After that i'm going to play for a while.  

I applied for Brett's sponsorship only because I had a funny story to tell about begging.  I'll gladly withdraw my application in favor of Justin's.  

QuoteThat is a gorgeous disc that Dr Dye has for an avatar at this moment!  I wish I had the patience to do that kind of work.  

I'm looking at over a dozen trophy discs here thinking, "Which one should I post on Discontinuum, and how many of them should I remember to bring to the tournament?"

That trophy disc looks nice Bruce. How does the Silver Division look?

Whats your plan for fixing hole A? Taking it out of the ground & hacksawing off the extra 6" from the pole and using the holes drilled by DGA

Quote

QuoteThat is a gorgeous disc that Dr Dye has for an avatar at this moment!  I wish I had the patience to do that kind of work. 

I'm looking at over a dozen trophy discs here thinking, "Which one should I post on Discontinuum, and how many of them should I remember to bring to the tournament?"

That trophy disc looks nice Bruce. How does the Silver Division look?

For some reason, Silver Third looks a whole lot cooler than Silver First!  
:rolleyes:  :P  :D  :blink:  :)  

It was my first time playing lockport, I lost a disc on hole 2 in the water, my first tournament taking ob strokes i took 2 i think and a 5 that wasnt ob. Plus i had 15 putts that almost went in but didnt.

not sure if im coming up or not

got a fundraiser on sat nite at the race track
if i win some $$$$   ill come

if i spend to much the funds wont be available to play

going to call brother to see if he wants to sponser me
and to play

i will also come up if i get a job this week

will bag tag be going on  ?

justin  
sorry to hear of all the head aches and problems

i think lockport is a decent enough course

how were the payouts  ?

bag tag challenges are mando @ tourneys.

QuoteWhats your plan for fixing hole A? Taking it out of the ground & hacksawing off the extra 6" from the pole and using the holes drilled by DGA

I'm not sure yet. I have to see what I can do when I get out there today.

Gonna be tough if its welded....

Mike & I did some weed whacking tonight on hole #27 & C. The course is looking good.

I could not fix the basket. It need to be reinstalled to fix it correctly. Looks like we have to putt at a high basket. Nothing like a really low basket on #6 the heading to a really high basket on A :huh: .

I will be out at the course tomorrow night painting the tee lines & next tee arrows. I'll be playing afterwards.  

I'll be out at Bevier tomorrow sometime around 5-6 with my buddy who wants to play the course

I want to get in on tags but I seem to have left it at Round Lake when I got raped by thoes bees. .

Anyone taking care of my big 'ol whatever huge number I now have? I want to get in on Bevier tags

QuoteI'll be out at Bevier tomorrow sometime around 5-6 with my buddy who wants to play the course

I want to get in on tags but I seem to have left it at Round Lake when I got raped by thoes bees. .

Anyone taking care of my big 'ol whatever huge number I now have? I want to get in on Bevier tags

Diron,
    Dan & I will be out at Bevier today. I'll probably be getting there around 3:15pm. I'm going to paint the lines today for the tees. After we get done with that we'll probably play for tags. I'm not sure how long i'm going to stay tonight though.

BTW, I threw your #51 tag in the car & will give it to you.  

So far, I don't think we could have requested a nicer forecast for the tournament....
http://www.weather.com/activities/travel/d...tml?locid=60031 (http://www.weather.com/activities/travel/dailytraveler/weather/weekend.html?locid=60031)

Saturday: High 81, Low 59. Chance of precip 20%. Light winds, ~10 mph.
Sunday: High 74, Low 55. Chance of precip 20%. Light winds, ~10 mph.

Since all of our normal Sunday tournament volunteers are busy this weekend, I could use some help. Please see me Sunday morning if you can help out.

Thanks!

Jon, I'm planning on helping on Sunday. I should know for sure if you can count on me later tonight when I talk to Beth.

She may come by and ask I duck out with Gavin and her to hang out in the park, but that would only be during rounds...

(Mirth-that's when a lot of the "work" for the tourney is done)

Like I said, I'll let you know later tonight or tomorrow if you can count on me Jon. Thanks for the heads up Becky. The only other event I've ever helped out at was definitely *not* busy during the rounds but rather before round 1, between round 1 and 2, and after round 2.

It all depends on the course. At Crystal Lake we had to have one person (Diana) dedicated to working merch during the rounds because they had so many casuals there. There probably won't be as many at Bevier. During round one I'll need to do the financials and get the payouts posted. If the play is quick, Bruce and Brett will have to help me do CTPs for the afternoon round. I can do pretty much everything myself but having someone to help is a good thing. Whatever you have time to help with, I'd appreciate.

QuoteSince all of our normal Sunday tournament volunteers are busy this weekend, I could use some help. Please see me Sunday morning if you can help out.

Thanks!

Jon, I'm going to try to get out there Sunday morning to give you a hand.  I should be available through the day.  

Is there a particular time you would like people around to help?  7:30AM?  Earlier?  Later?

AM.  Ugh.   <_<

Steve

Quote

QuoteSince all of our normal Sunday tournament volunteers are busy this weekend, I could use some help. Please see me Sunday morning if you can help out.

Thanks!

Jon, I'm going to try to get out there Sunday morning to give you a hand.  I should be available through the day.  

Is there a particular time you would like people around to help?  7:30AM?  Earlier?  Later?

AM.  Ugh.   <_<

Steve

7:30 is a good time if that works for you.

Jon, I'm sorry but I wouldn't expect to see me until the afternoon rounds are already underway... possibly as late as the finals for the open division. The wife would like to have me around in the morning and early afternoon as pennance for spending all day saturday away.

I think I can help on Sunday, unless for some reason I wind up not making it on Saturday to play  ;)

I'm leaning towards the Red division, considering that I don't think I'll crack 875 on the next update anyhow.  <_<  

I talked to Scott McClean last night of the Waukegan Park District. They are going to do a full detail service on the course Friday. Mowing, edging around the baskets & new limestone, &  much more.

Adrian Sr. is going to fix basket A so it's not so low. Thanks Adrian for working on your day off!

The weather looks good for Saturday & Sunday. Can't wait!

Hello, Ive neer been to bevier park before and have no idea on how to get there.  I was thinking about playing there on friday before the blast.  Could I get directions from the buffalo grove course?  And what kind of turnout are you expecting? Thanks.

Nick,

I'd take 41 North to Grand Avenue, exit going East (right)
Take Grand to Green Bay Road, go left
Take Green Bay to York House (Stoplight, Green Bay is now 2 lanes, 7-11 on corner), go right.
Take York House to the entrance to Bevier! =)

QuoteAnd what kind of turnout are you expecting?

We have no idea what kind of turnout we'll have. You never can predict what disc golfers will do.  The only thing we can go by is what we drew this summer.

June
Streamwood, IL
Streamwood Starter
Saturday-> 40
Sunday-> 38
Total-> 78

July
Crystal Lake, IL
Crystal Cruise
Saturday-> 42
Sunday-> 38
Total-> 80

August
Round Lake, IL
Fairfield Fairwell
Saturday-> 61
Sunday-> 36
Total-> 97

We look forward to seeing you there. Print out a map from the front page of the site. It shows which tees we will be playing & where the temp holes are located. I painted the lines so they are easy to find.

Kenosha Discers who are playing the Blast (Steve/Kyle/??):

Anyone interested in carpooling on Saturday? I'd be willing to drive. PM or post me if you're interested.

Thanks.

Bruce, will you have any of the 150g z-plastic this weekend? I know it hasn't been 'released' yet but you have connections.... :P

I'll take a z-Talon if you have them. I've still got $10 brass left and can't think of anything else I "need"....

Weather Report

Saturday
82 & Partly Cloudy
0% chance of rain
Wind 8-12 MPH

Sunday
72 & Mostly Sunny
20% chance or rain
Wind ???

Serg,

Yep, I'm playing, and Kyle is too.  I live 15 minutes from the course, I was just going to drive down.  That way I can sleep in a little.  ;)

I know you and Kyle live pretty close to each other, he might want to join you for the ride.

Steve

Thanks, Steve. We'll see you there.

im playin.. prolly red not sure yet

have fun all

not sure if ill make it sunday or not
leaning more torward not  :(  

Another smooth effort by the Three St.. I mean, Jon, Bruce & Brett.

and the first one they've run this year where I had a decent result.  ;)

Congrats to Adrian Sr. who obliterated everybody today!  B)

I was glad I chose to stay in the Red division (hopefully next time I won't be eligible...) where I didn't shoot great, but good enough to make a 3-way tie for 2nd [nice shot on the playoff Kyle  :P}.  And thanks again to the organizers for providing a 3rd place trophy disc, which I managed to back into after another 4 holes; it definitely wasn't Schultz & Climo, but it provided some entertainment.

And the payout was truly impressive. Even more plastic I don't need...  :P

Quoteit definitely wasn't Schultz & Climo, but it provided some entertainment.

lol yep 5 feet putts > me

it was sure fun and orginized good

Wish I could have made it!!!  Funds are just to tight for me to have made it :(

Next time for sure!!  Hope you all had fun!!!

Thanks Damon. That's the first time I've ever placed in a tournament, so I'm glad I got out of the playoff after the first hole. ;-)

So who won the divisions on Sunday?  
Anyone want to play at Parkside on Monday after 4:30 or so?
e-mail me at bkielar@yahoo.com

Quick post then time for bed.

Gold
Heeren 41/41/16=98
Miller 43/49/15= 107
Raffensberger 46/50/13= 109
Schodtler 49/45/17= 111

Silver
Comincioli 47/47= 94
Brakel 47/49 = 96
Michler 51/48 = 99
Kozlencer 49/52= 101

Bronze
Doty 52/48= 100
Grimes 49/51= 100
Fanning 49/52= 101
Lenth 52/51= 103

DISContinuum & I want to thank these people. Sorry if I miss someone.

Without the help of these people, this event would not happen.

Jon B., Bruce B., Maddisen B., Dan M., Mike C., Rene A., Steve C., Damon S., Allan S., Adrian G. Sr., Adrian G. Jr, Sergio C., Shawn F., Craig S., Fred V., & Carrie C., & all the players that attended. Thanks for your support.

There was added cash to the Pro Division. Thanks for the donations!
Here are the donators.
$42.00 Tim D.
$22.00 Al F.
$1.00 Chris H.
$65.00 Total.  

$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

Kurt Raffensburger played the final 4 almost perfectly. He 3'd the first 3 holes & 4'd the final hole. He also hit an ace on alternate #6, hole #24.

Chris Heeren hit several baskets during the day but didn't get one to stick. He threw 2 rollers & canned 100ft upshot on 869 feet safari hole #4. Amazing!

Dan Michler 2'd two of the hardest holes on the course. #25 & #27. Only 2 people 2'd #25 & 3 #27. Hole E was 2'd 5 times. I have to double check these when I get home tonight.

Quote$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

Jim,

    I'm not really sure what your deal is dude. You've been on a war path since April. I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. We can't please everyone & you have to get past the fact that some things are not done the way you want them to. You decided to step away.

    About the sandbagging. Every player in each division was in the appropriate division. We checked ratings & each player earned the right to play in those divisions. When the results come out, you will see every division was competitive. Everyone played in a division that their rating would allow them too unlike last year when an intermediate player, Jon Bornowski won by 11 strokes playing Rec. If you have a problem with ratings based events, maybe you need to talk to the PDGA.

    About bleeding Recs. The flyers advertised everything in advanced. We paid out well over 100% to all divisions. Ask the 2 players in the Purple Division how the felt after they left the event. The one player in Green would have walked away with his entry fee back and a trophy but he did not finish due to an injury.

    You have been quick to judge but you didn't even experience the event. Did you talk to any players that played the event? Just think, with your 859 rating, you would have been able to play Red and accept cash.

Edited for 2005

The event is now over & planning for next year will begin. The DISContinuum Blast will probably be a stop of the 2005 Illinois Open Series next year.


I'm always looking for feedback. I like constructive criticism. Feel free to blast me if you'd like.

Did you like the course set up? What would you like to see different? Please leave feedback.

I'd like to know what club members were sandbagging...

Also, the entry fees were taken straight from the PDGA's recommendations. So if you feel the need to bitch at somebody about that, go whine at Hoeniger. Maybe he'll pay you more creedence with your birdie membership.

QuoteI'd like to know what club members were sandbagging...

Who let Jim out of his hole?  :P  

sorry i missed it

one of the reasons/factors  
i tend to go to T's
is the added holes
those take work (thx guys)

it gives the course a different look
they are fun to play and the locals are at the same disadvantage as not having seen the hole before  

i think the ratings thing is a good idea

side note  ( bob w 930    me   880   50 pts    5 strokes)
lemon lake  bob +9    me  +14

it was a bad scoring rd for both of us  

with ratings though we had figured he needed to give me strokes

we also played skins  me 13 him 14

usually we just play casual but i guess we both wanted to score the round

im thinking ill play better in the T in oct  (i hope)


again sorry i missed it

Quote$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

OK, I did my "funny" answer, here's my serious one.

Why compare the entry fee for a non-member to a member? A non-member is going to pay $5 more for their entry--that is the case in any PDGA sanctioned tournament. Our entry fee for the Purple and Green divisions was $22. All other Saturday entry fees were $27. The entry fee on Sunday was $32 for Bronze, Silver and Gold. This was a ratings event so there were no Rec, Jr. or Open Pro divisions. There were divisions, based on ratings, that any player could be competitive in.

We try to present events that most players like to play. Most players prefer that most of their money goes into the payouts. Since it was a C tier, players packs are not required. Going back to most player's preference, we did not do player's packs. If we find a player's pack sponsor in the future, this could be something that we might change.

Next year I would expect to see a change in our pricing structure for all of our events based on PLAYER feedback (not feedback from random posters who are no longer associated with the club) from this year. Lower prices for the lower divisions, and larger player packs for the lower divisions. However, I wouldn't expect entry fees to be much lower than the Green/Purple at the Blast.

We absolutely did NOT allow any members or non-members to sandbag at this event. In fact, Dan Michler among others played UP a division. Bevier tends to not show a big difference in scores between the top amateurs and the pros. Don't forget when you look at the results that the top 5 Gold players played a final showcase round.

-Jon Brakel, Vice President of an improving, fiscally responsible DISContinuum

Brett and Discontinuum

From a Rec player that paid the $ to bring up the rear of the tier...Thanks.  The event was a lot of fun.  I played with Damon and Kyle and learned a load from watching them throw during the first round.  I will keep throwing and come out and shoot lower next time.  I knew the price and was willing to pay it.  I was also willing to ante up for the ace pool even though there was only one hole, 1, where I even had a chance based on my skill.  Thanks again.

David

David,

Thank you for coming out and supporting local disc golf! Speaking for the Club, we're delighted you had a good time and learned how to improve your game. That is a key element of playing in organized events... By observing players who are at a higher skill level you begin to see how you can improve upon your own game - be it form, conduct, or play.

We hope to see you out at our next event on Oct. 30, and at our weekly Best Shot doubles league every Sunday morning.

Guys, tourneys are not JUST about 100% payout.
They should be about fairness and growing the sport locally.

Yes, those sure were PDGA suggested fees. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?  Charging $22 ($27 if non-PDGA) for local kids who play in very few events is ridiculous.  When Juniors players walk away disappointed - for any reason - you have done them a dis-service.  WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?

Also, where are the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?  Their names are still on the website, but everything is Brakel-sponsored now.  Juniors did NOT get reamed when Disc Golf World was sponsoring events and donating baskets!!!

For example, earlier this year, the Wisconsin Juniors Championships in Kaukauna were a whopping $10!!!  There were 7 sponsors at Kaukauna.  EVERY player got a players package: a disc, a mini, a towel, and coupons for merch.  There were 18 merch/coupon CTPs.  Here, they get SQUAT for $22.

This is EXACTLY that type of thing DISContinuum was founded TO AVOID!

Now, instead of complaining that I am posting here, please try to answer my questions if you are so open to criticism:
1. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?
2. WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?
3. Where were the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?

Thanks,
Jim Klem

QuoteDISContinuum & I want to thank these people. Sorry if I miss someone.

Without the help of these people, this event would not happen.

Jon B., Bruce B., Maddisen B., Dan M., Mike C., Rene A., Steve C., Damon S., Allan S., Adrian G. Sr., Adrian G. Jr, Sergio C., Shawn F., Craig S., Fred V., & Carrie C., & all the players that attended. Thanks for your support.

There was added cash to the Pro Division. Thanks for the donations!
Here are the donators.
$42.00 Tim D.
$22.00 Al F.
$1.00 Chris H.
$65.00 Total.

I would especially like to thank Steve, Damon, Mike and Maddisen. I had no idea how much help to expect to need on Sunday and it was great relief to have all of you on Sunday to help out. I was stressing a little bit at registration because most of the normal registration team was not available for the Blast, but I shouldn't have stressed out, you guys did a great job. You guys made it a great event!!!Hopefully Bruce and Maddisen's cooking was a welcome benefit for volunteering.  

What Junior player walked away disappointed? As far as I can remember, the only Junior that played was Adrian

QuoteNow, instead of complaining that I am posting here, please try to answer my questions if you are so open to criticism:
1. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?
2. WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?
3. Where were the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?

1) Our event was fair and generous across the field for all players.

2) This event was an R tier event. There was no Jr. division or women's division or masters division. We decided as a club in the Spring that we wanted to try out this format and see if it was good. We could run this format again and "cater" to the lower divisions by doing fatter players packs and that is something that we are discussing for next year's events. At all of the IOS events where we did have Jr. divisions we paid deeper and more than the PDGA paytables call for.

3) I think we had 12 or 14 CTPs at the Blast. One of them was a disc golf bag filled with good stuff. That CTP alone was worth more than $70 and was all from our sponsors. The rest of the CTPs were sponsored by the players, The Waterford Jr. Girls and Discontinuum. By running a fiscally responsible tournament, we are able to turn the profits from the event back to the players in the way of CTPs. We also had 3 Gold division cash sponsors on Sunday.

The biggest sponsor that Discontinuum had in the last 3 years was Discontinuum members this year. You left us with a large debt when you left the club, Jim and most of that was from last year's Blast. What kind of sponsorship was that?!?!??? That's no way to run an event and no way to run a club.

If you are so concerned with how we are doing then come on out to the next event and see for yourself. I think you will see that the way we run our events is fair and fun for all involved. You don't have to blindly put the club in debt in order to run a fair, fun and generous event.

Quote1. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?
2. WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?
3. Where were the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?

Thanks,
Jim Klem

#1) Our tournaments are fair across the board but how would you know since you've yet to attend one.  We advertise exactly what type of tournament we are running. We did player packs @ all 3 IO Series events & no player pack at the DISContinuum Blast. If you'd have attened our events this year & witnessed for yourself, all juniors went home with some type of winnings from both player pack & just playing no matter where they finished. Have you asked the players that played the events if they thought it was fair or not?

#2) I think we are catering to the Juniors, Recs, & all disc golf players for that matter. We have brought 4 PDGA Sanctioned tournaments to this area & another Am only event coming up in October. Check the club members list for the # of PDGA members we now have. More new tournament players came out this year. Every junior palyer goes away with something. We add divisional CTP's to all our tournaments as well. Again, how would you know since you haven't been to an event? Have you asked the junior & rec players that have played our events if we cater to them?

#3) The sponsorships we do have basically offer discounts on merchandise. We don't need discounts on Merch when Bruce is willing to drive from Michigan to supply discs. To me it's a no brainer. We pay no money up front for a huge stock of merchandise. It's a 50/50 deal with DISContinuuum Disc Golf Club & Waterford Jr Girls Club. We made minimal $ for both clubs but last year we lost money on the event you ran.  

QuoteBrett and Discontinuum

From a Rec player that paid the $ to bring up the rear of the tier...Thanks.  The event was a lot of fun.  I played with Damon and Kyle and learned a load from watching them throw during the first round.  I will keep throwing and come out and shoot lower next time.  I knew the price and was willing to pay it.  I was also willing to ante up for the ace pool even though there was only one hole, 1, where I even had a chance based on my skill.  Thanks again.

David

David,
    Thanks for coming. We appreciate the support. Feel free to register a name on the message board & post frequently. I hope you had a good time & enjoyed the course.
Brett

I say you guys battle on the battle grounds of bevier park to see who is right.

This was my first tournment I have gone to.  I thought it was run really well.  I ended up paying 35 bucks and then bought 7 discs with my brass cash... so i thought it worked out well.

But anyways it was fun and I plan on playing the one in Oct  

QuoteI say you guys battle on the battle grounds of bevier park to see who is right.

This was my first tournment I have gone to.  I thought it was run really well.  I ended up paying 35 bucks and then bought 7 discs with my brass cash... so i thought it worked out well.

But anyways it was fun and I plan on playing the one in Oct

Thanks for coming Mark. Just think, you could save $5.00 next year at each PDGA Event if you join the PDGA. We will be renewing later this year & you can save $5.00 on a PDGA membership thru the club.  You will also get a rating & points tracked on the PDGA Website to go along with your stack of plastic :D .

My son, Daniel.  He was planning on playing but decided not to after learning the cost and the lack of players package.
He stopped by the event and spoke to some folks. When I saw him last night, he was very disappointed with the setup.
Paul, a Rec player and non-PDGA member, was appalled to be expected to pay $32 to play 36 holes.  That is a very prohibitive cost to Rec players.
Yes, these were all advertised entry fees, but they just decided in the past few days to give the Blast a try.

What I had heard is that Danny didn't play because he overslept, I did not hear anything about why Paul decided not to play nor did I hear that Danny expressed any sort of disappointment with the lack of a player's package.

Paul, a rec player and non-pdga member, could have played Green or Purple and walked out with likely a trophy and his entry fee back, plus have had a lower entry fee. Same goes for Danny.

Thanks for the suggestions and input. I'm sure they'll be taken into consideration when planning the 2005 series, which the Blast might be a part of.

Please detail how many Juniors played and exactly what they walked away with.

Also, when are you planning to post IOS results?
Also, am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the TDs playing every event?
Or do you do that just to make PDGA minimum requirements?

Whats wrong with Directors playing the day they're not officiating?

Results from Fairfield haven't posted yet (from what I understand) becuase the TD report isn't complete yet.

Do what to make minimum requirements, have the TDs play? I think our TDs like to play disc golf as well as run events, which is why split day tourneys work so well for our volunteers - they run the day they aren't playing.


Jim, what the hell is your problem?

My two cents:

Saturday:  Event was well run.  I had a good time, the course layout was SWEET and I would urge the club to do a similar layout for other events.  Everyone I talked to loved the temp holes, and even though some did not like the OB lines, they did enjoy the challenge the OB lines presented.  

Didn't hear anyone complaining about the entry fees, the payouts, or how the tournament was set up or being run.  The only complaints I did hear Saturday were: 1) The baskets and chains situation (and even then, none seriously), and  2) ...nope, just that 1, really.

My only personal complaint about Saturday was that I had a total meltdown and played possibly the worst two rounds of my life.  :(  On a relatively easy course, too.  Sure hope that changes up before Oct. 30.  :)

Sunday:  I was glad to help out and glad I could help out.  Really interesting to see how an event is run from the other side of the registration table.  All the work that has to be done: the calculations, registrations, observations...

One interesting observation I had was about Jon, Bruce, and Brett as TDs.  If anyone has any doubts about their philosophy of events "being run by players for the players", my opinion is they have no need to doubt it.  They really are doing this for the players and the love of the game.   I sat down and helped Jon with the financials Sunday, with the PDGA info right in front of me.  They certainly aren't in this for the money.  

One suggestion would be that the few extra dollars that came in might have been used for player packs.  But that would work if only 4 people wanted player packs and everyone else turned them down, so never mind.  :)

Sunday complaints that I heard:  1) Baskets and chains (sound familiar?), 2) the ruling on the "played the wrong tee situation".  Give that the ruling was straight from the PDGA book, though, they could hardly argue it.  And 3) relatively low turn out.   Guess that means the word has to be spread a little more next year.  

For the benefit of those not there, 26 people played Sunday.  12 "cashed" and went home with prizes.  Almost 50% of the field took something home.  That's a tournament payout very few will complain about.  With nearly 1/2 the players taking something home, that should help spread the word for next year.

Maybe they didn't have a bunch of brand name sponsors tossing money and prizes in, but the event was well run with few complaints.  And maybe sponsorship is something that will be brought back for the next one.  Being that this was a Ratings based event, it's not really angled toward new or casual players.  It's ratings based.  And how do you get a rating?  By playing in other PDGA events.  The other events I was at this year did indeed have lower junior and rec/casual entry fees, player packs, and many of them took something home, including an important thing called experience.    

It's been said before, but I will repost it here:
Before you bash an event, come play it.  

Me, I had a good time both Saturday and Sunday.  I played in all 3 IO events and the Blast.  I also did poorly at all 3 IO events and at the Blast.  But that was no  fault but my own.  And that, too, is an important thing called experience.

~Steve

QuotePlease detail how many Juniors played and exactly what they walked away with.

Also, when are you planning to post IOS results?
Also, am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the TDs playing every event?
Or do you do that just to make PDGA minimum requirements?

Jim, this is the last time I'm going to tell you this. I PLAY TOURNAMENTS, INCLUDING MY OWN, BECAUSE I LIKE TO PLAY TOURNAMENTS!!!!!!!! Plus this was a C tier tournament. There is no minimum for a C tier!!!

We always have a non-playing official as the TD of the day. This past weekend I couldn't play because I hurt my back two weekends ago, but I would have played on Saturday while Bruce and Brett were the non-playing officials and Brett is the TD of record. On Sunday they played while I was the non-playing official and TD of the day. I haven't posted IOS results yet because I haven't been able to sit down at the computer at night because of my back. I have every intention of getting them posted within the alloted time per my B-tier agreement.

We didn't actually have any "Juniors" play because it was an R-tier tournament and there is no Junior division at an R-tier. Adrian Jr. played both days. Todd F. played on Sunday because his rating is too high for any of the Saturday R-tier divisions. I can't remember what day Diron played. I don't think there were any other Junior age players.

At a minimum all the Junior age players walked away with a feeling of accomplishment, PDGA points and PDGA rating. But I think that Adrian Jr. and Todd both won funny money.

Jim, since you have severed all ties with the club, why do you care about this stuff? Micro management on your part is what almost drove most of the current Board of Directors away from the club before you left. If you really care about any of this stuff, then come to an event and see what's going on. From your posts I can tell that you are absolutely clueless as to what we are doing. Which makes sense since you are no longer associated with the club and don't attend our events.

I am glad to hear you and others had fun. If you guys are providing fun events for some, that's great. The temp layouts did look fun and the course looked just fine.

However, after experiencing other events in other states for years, I still believe there is a better way to do things.

What the hell is my problem?  My son is disappointed; my uncle is pissed off.  So, I'm asking some meaty questions and not getting solid numbers for answers.
What's YOUR problem?  Can't you take a prodding once in a while?  I thought you were open to criticism.......

Mirth wrote:
"Paul, a rec player and non-pdga member, could have played Green or Purple and walked out with likely a trophy and his entry fee back, plus have had a lower entry fee. Same goes for Danny."

Gee, that wasn't the way the ratings-based divisions were set up on the entry form and flyer.  Even so, don't you think that the following example is a bit skewed?:
-Danny (Junior Rec player): $22
-Any Open player: $33

Maybe I'd know more if you posted official payouts and results.

Jon, you're right.
This is tedious and you jerks are so buried in your own Brakel-centric games that you will never change.
Others will see the truth as you continue to alienate players and sponsors with reckless disregard.
It shows in the fact that you snubbed your noses at Danny - the kid who did more work on both Bevier and Wildwood than any of you.  That is a far cry from that first Blast where so many of you played your first tourney...........
You have forgotten the people who made all this possible in the first place.
You will reap what you sow . . . . . .
BYE!

Glad to hear that everything went well with the blast.  Anyone know the whereabouts of Craig's and my basket.  

Had to laugh when I read Jon's post about stressing over registration, what were there to many people  :P ....  sorry little things like that make my day.  Do you really think you can handle being the IL PDGA rep?  I mean really you stress over 20 some people and you want to be the go to guy for the entire state.  :lol:

Jim, I love this drama stuff that you bring to this board..  we should get together some time and have a guiness or 4.

QuoteGlad to hear that everything went well with the blast.  Anyone know the whereabouts of Craig's and my basket.  

Had to laugh when I read Jon's post about stressing over registration, what were there to many people  :P ....  sorry little things like that make my day.  Do you really think you can handle being the IL PDGA rep?  I mean really you stress over 20 some people and you want to be the go to guy for the entire state.  :lol:

Jim, I love this drama stuff that you bring to this board..  we should get together some time and have a guiness or 4.

Shawn,
    I have both baskets. I will arrange to get them back to you.  

QuoteHad to laugh when I read Jon's post about stressing over registration, what were there to many people  :P ....  sorry little things like that make my day.

I feel better knowing that my stress made you happy.  :huh:

Anyway, I was stressed about running an R-tier for the first time without my main registration volunteers. Had I known that we would only have 10 more players this year than last year's Blast then I would not have been so stressed. Also, Steve, Damon and Brett did a great job of filling in for the regulars.

Quotedon't you think that the following example is a bit skewed?:
-Danny (Junior Rec player): $22
-Any Open player: $33

Since there haven't been very many PDGA tournaments in the northern Illinois area we have run most of them as plain vanilla PDGA tournaments. PDGA suggested entry fees and payouts. The Blast was straight PDGA RC-tier entry fees, payouts and player packs. Since IOS #2 we have been talking about several ideas to improve the 2005 IOS. Even at that time we had thought that the lower divisions (Rec, Jr., W Am, and maybe even Am) had entry fees that were a little too high. We have also discussed offering Jr. and Rec divisions as player pack only with only trophies as the payout. My suggestion with the Jrs. was that for a $15 entry fee they would get a $20 player pack plus a trophy for the winner. The final format for 2005 might not be exactly that, but it will probably be something similar.

As for an R-tier, if we do one again, we probably won't do a fat player pack since there is no Jr. division. However, I think we will look at the pricing structure for the lower divisions, although I don't think there is a problem with a $22 entry fee.

QuoteJon, you're right.
This is tedious and you jerks are so buried in your own Brakel-centric games that you will never change.
Others will see the truth as you continue to alienate players and sponsors with reckless disregard.
It shows in the fact that you snubbed your noses at Danny - the kid who did more work on both Bevier and Wildwood than any of you.  That is a far cry from that first Blast where so many of you played your first tourney...........
You have forgotten the people who made all this possible in the first place.
You will reap what you sow . . . . . .
BYE!

The only Brakel-centric game that I know of is disc golf. That is the game that Diana Brakel, Kira Brakel, Kelsey Brakel, Maddisen Brakel, Becky Brakel, Bruce Brakel, Brett (Comincioli) Brakel and Jon Brakel all play.

Why do you think we are alienating players? Because all of the 2004 IOS series events had more players than the one before? Because we had more players at Fairfield this year than last year? Because we had more players at the Blast this year than you did last year?

We are working on several sponsorship deals. I hope to have more news on these shortly. Just because we don't have any huge sponsors doesn't mean that we aren't doing any work in that area.

None of us snubbed our noses at Danny. We asked him why he wasn't playing and he said that he had overslept. We talked to him for a couple of minutes and then went back to work.

Jim, I have thanked you several times for all that you have done and you have never acknowledged it. I don't see a reason to thank you anymore since you don't seem to listen to it.

[edited to change typo--"evens" to "events"]

QuoteYou will reap what you sow . . . . . .

You're right, we do. Last year we had 33 confirmed club members. As of right now we have 43 club members.

Last year we had about 36 bag tags in circulation. This year we have 54 and counting.

QuoteBYE!

I don't believe that for one instant.

QuotePlease detail how many Juniors played and exactly what they walked away with.





Also, am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the TDs playing every event?
Or do you do that just to make PDGA minimum requirements?

Payout for the weekend.

Saturday

White-> 8 players X $27.00 = $216.00 Total Purse
1. $65.00 + Trophy
2. $54.00 + Trophy
3. $43.00 + Trophy
4. $32.00
5. $22.00

Red-> 19 players X $27.00 = $513.00 Total Purse
1. $77.00 + Trophy
2. $72.00 + Trophy
3. $67.00 + Trophy
4. $62.00
5. $56.00
6. $47.00
7. $40.00
8. $35.00
9. $30.00
10. $27.00

Green-> 1 player X $22.00 = $22.00 Total Purse
1. $22.00 + Trophy

Purple-> 2 players X $22.00 = $44.00 Total Purse
1. $26.00 + Trophy
2. $18.00

There were 10 CTP's added for the 2nd Round
2 for White
4 for Red
1 for Green/Purple
2 for all divisions
1 for DISContinuum Members Only.

Value
8 were $15.00 CTP's = $120.00
1 was a bag o stuff valued at $70.00
1 was an E-Wizard for club members only


Sunday

Gold-> 9 players X $32.00 = $288.00 + $65.00 added cash = $353.00 - ($2.00 X 9 = $18.00 for PDGA Fees) = $335.00 Total Purse
1. $150.00 + Trophy
2. $85.00
3. $55.00
4. $45.00

Silver-> 8 players X $32.00 = $256.00 Total Purse
1. $105.00 + Trophy
2. $65.00 + Trophy
3. $50.00 + Trophy
4. $36.00 + Trophy

Bronze-> 9 players X $32.00 = $288.00 Total Purse
1. $123.00 + Trophy
2. $75.00 + Trophy
3. $50.00 + Trophy
4. $40.00

There were 4 CTP's added on Sunday
Value
All 4 were $15.00 CTP's = $60.00
2 for players with ratings under 955
2 for Bronze




We play our own tournaments because we like to play disc golf. There are no # requirements for C-Tiers. Take away Jon, Bruce, & I from all 3 IO Series Events, We easily make B-Tier requirements as well.

We had more players than the Blast did last year.  

We had more women playing.

We had more Recreational rated players playing.  And, given where the rated PDGA members finished, we know that there was no bagging in that division.  Congrats to Adrian Sr. for shooting the round of his life on his home course.  That is not bagging; that is having the best day you've ever had on a course and enjoying it.

We had more TDs playing.  :grin:

We had more club members helping out than at all the other events combined all summer long and WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT!!!  

(The TDs had a leaderboard!  :P)

We had more happy players at the end of the day.  KVN came in DFL in Silver but went home with $30 worth of CTP stuff!  

We had more happy Gutierrezes at the end of the day than last year!   :D
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The R-tier format works best for PDGA members with ratings who want to compete against other players of a similar skill level regardless of their gender, age, or pro/am designation.  If you play tournaments for social reasons, an R-tier does tend to break up the normal social groupings you find at other local tournaments.  If 670 rated juniors want to get their butts kicked by 860 rated juniors who have no hope of beating the 905 rated junior, they will be happier at a standard format PDGA event.  
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As a player I thought the extra holes were great.  They were consistant with the character of the course, righty/lefty balanced, and offered some risk/reward situations.  I'm starting to get immune to kick-ass payouts, since I've played so many of my own events this summer, but it was nice to finish in the fat part of the payout for a change!  Of course, there is no point in me taking my prizes, but it is prizes that stay in the box for next time.

As a co-TD and volunteer, I did not hear any complaints.  Even the guys who snowmenned themselves by playing that one hole twice did not complain.  I'm fairly certain that none of them would have finished in the prizes even if Jon had called the second playing of the hole a provisional.  
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As someone who attended and played both events, I'd make the following honest comparisons:  last year's event had light attendance, a disorganized lunch for the players who got there first, great payouts, and was run a little weird for a PDGA event.  This year's event had 20% higher, but still light attendance, good payouts and was well run by the book.  Last year the club lost its shirt, pants and socks but Sunking did pretty good for himself; this year both clubs made $167 [not counting Discontinuum's seperate cash sales] and the merch man personally made nothing.  

I'm all for other clubs running tournaments Jim's way if I get to be Sunking in that formula.  Otherwise, what we are doing is working for everyone involved, and I hope to be involved next year, but if you cut me out I'm going to make a mint liquidating my stock in trade!

 

QuoteJim, I love this drama stuff that you bring to this board..  we should get together some time and have a guiness or 4.

I like the back and forth banter, but I don't like the hate. Jim's posts are so inacurate that they are funny. But I don't really care for all the hate and bitterness.

i would have to agree with Jim on this one.  How could u snub ur noses at danny?  poor kid overslept plus u wanted him to pay $22, and all he would have received in return was whatever u get for 1st in the green division (there only 1 player)and possibly a CTP prize? u should have bowed down and payed HIM 10 dollars just to play in your tournament.  granted, all of the junior aged players who played had no complaints and enjoyed themselves, but Team Brakel is clearly alienating juniors and women.  They hate juniors, women, and especially junior girls for obvious reasons.

I am sick of these tournaments where the divisions are payed back 100% of their averagely priced entry fees in merchandise.  Clearly, the brakels are plotting to destroy disc golf.  That is why bruce drives here fom michigan every month to help run these diabolical tournaments.  Its obvious that Jim just cares more than you guys.  That is why he spends so much time playing the game that he loves.  If he didn't, then he would just be some ranting, childish, not to mention completely ignorant dude who is just trying to start fights with people because he has no control over the club that he once tried to run into the ground.

if someone couldn't have afforded the $33 entry fee then they probably could have made this known to the TD's themselves.  maybe something could have been done.  if danny couldn't come up with 22 bucks, i would have chipped in to get the kid to play.  he seemed like a nice kid when i drew him 3 times as my doubles partner at leagues.

P.S.  Thanks for Wildwood Jim!!  :D  :D   I've been knocking out 30-40 rounds a day on that rockin' course!!!  with new, well-designed courses like that, disc golf is really going places in Lake County.

Now that's comic relief!

How about less frisbee golf fourm battles and more frisbee golf.
Even though this is actually make this forum active  

Well, we gotta have something to do between the time we get to work and the time we leave to go play.... ;)

QuoteMy son, Daniel.  He was planning on playing but decided not to after learning the cost and the lack of players package.
He stopped by the event and spoke to some folks. When I saw him last night, he was very disappointed with the setup.
Paul, a Rec player and non-PDGA member, was appalled to be expected to pay $32 to play 36 holes.  That is a very prohibitive cost to Rec players.
Yes, these were all advertised entry fees, but they just decided in the past few days to give the Blast a try.

If you read this thread, I offered to pay two 1/2 entry fees. No one but Bruce took me up on it but I turned Bruce was not worthy of Brett Sponsorship.

It was nice to see Danny. I talked to him for several minutes. He said he couldn't play because he overslept & was tired. This was a ratings even so there really wasn't a true junior division.

Also Jim,  we need 1 more for our Club fantasy football league.  u in???

Anytime Brett or I run an event that has no player packs you always question that. "Where are the player packs?" And when I answered this time that we would like to work on getting a sponsor for our player packs you questioned where our sponsors were. But to the best of Brett or my knowledge the only tournament that you ever ran that had a player pack was last year's Blast. The player pack was a nicely embroidered Sun King towel. But it wasn't sponsored. It was on the invoice from Sun King. If you have a $10 item and you have 50 players, that's $500 right there. It's tough to find that kind of sponsorship. We are working for this, but it's something that you never found while running Discontinuum for 3 years. Give us 3 years and we can compare where we're at.

Well the blast was a lot of fun. This was my first tourney i have played in and i enjoyed it a lot. It was what i thought it was going to be like if not more. I won rec and i got a nice sum of brass cash which was nice. and even the top 10 payed out which i thought was cool. i would play again. and i plan on playin in the one in oct. nicely run tourney guys  8)

wish i could have saw the pros play damit  

i think what jim is trying to tell us is that he is retarded and does not comprehend how to effectively run a PDGA sanctioned frisbee golf tournament.  its ok jim.  we all get confused in this crazy Brakel-centric universe.  

Edited for Parkside additions.

QuoteHowever, after experiencing other events in other states for years, I still believe there is a better way to do things.

Jim,  
    Since we are talking PDGA events, I checked the PDGA. You have played 6 PDGA Events. 3 of those have been at the same event, Standing Rocks. You have also played Illinois State Championships, Parkside, & Channahon. http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=15844 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=15844)
    I was interested to see what type of entry fees each had this year. Even though this ratings event does not have the same division, I will use comparable divisions.

Standing Rocks/Blast
Juniors-> $15.00/$22.00 *Standing Rocks not sanctioned for Am day*
Rec-> $20.00/$27.00

Parkside/Blast
Juniors-> $16.00/$22.00           Sanctioned
No Rec
Intermediate->$26.00

Illinois State Championships/Blast
Juniors-> $15.00/$22.00  *Illinois State Champoinships not sanctioned for Am day*
Rec-> $28.00/$27.00

Channahon/Blast
Juniors-> $15.00/$22.00 *Channahon not sanctioned for Am day*
Rec-> $23.00/$27.00


4 different events, 2 states? That's not much of spectrum.

I have more.

Terry gave me a flyer for the Fox Valley Open. Juniors are $25.00 & AMII $35.00. Is this such a terrible thing to do Jim?

Also, we are catering to ams & recs on the 30th.
Widdershins
Rec $20.00
Juniorr $15.00
Women FREE

QuoteI have more.

Terry gave me a flyer for the Fox Valley Open. Juniors are $25.00 & AMII $35.00. Is this such a terrible thing to do Jim?

Also, we are catering to ams & recs on the 30th.
Widdershins
Rec $20.00
Juniorr $15.00
Women FREE

Come to the Widdershins Jim!  you can play for FREE!!  

that was childish. i apologize.

No hate coming from me Jon.  I love the Jim Klem who used to play frisbee with us:  nice guy, family man, good sense of humor, libertarian on the right issues.  This guy who pretends to be Jim Klem and posts on the internet is something else, but who knows:  maybe in real life he is a nice guy too.

The only hate and bitterness I felt came from the guy who pretends to be Jim.

Shawn, there's a good party next month. I'll call you with details.

Hey Dan, have I ever attacked you? Have I ever been anything but pleasant and helpful when you first started playing Bevier?  And about Wildwood: I worked my ass off to get a course in the ground.  It may have gone awry, but there are still 7 baskets in the ground and kids playing every day.  How is that bad?  How much have you done to promote local courses?  Sure you play, but then what?  Please stop your immature rants of pure and unbased hatred and go clean up a course.

Brett, yep those were the Juniors entry fees for other events. What about the entry fees I charged at my events? My fees were lower and more fair, but you neglected to include those. How convenient for you.  And I never said that other events didn't overcharge Juniors, cuz I think most do.

And yes, the Gutierrez family seems to have gone home happier this year. Good. That was a regret for me in '03.

Hey guys, if you are making people happy with your brand of disc golf, great. Good for you. Really. Just try to remember that other people have opinions which are different from yours, maybe even better.

QuoteShawn, there's a good party next month. I'll call you with details.

Hey Dan, have I ever attacked you? Have I ever been anything but pleasant and helpful when you first started playing Bevier?  And about Wildwood: I worked my ass off to get a course in the ground.  It may have gone awry, but there are still 7 baskets in the ground and kids playing every day.  How is that bad?  How much have you done to promote local courses?  Sure you play, but then what?  Please stop your immature rants of pure and unbased hatred and go clean up a course.

Brett, yep those were the Juniors entry fees for other events. What about the entry fees I charged at my events? My fees were lower and more fair, but you neglected to include those. How convenient for you.  And I never said that other events didn't overcharge Juniors, cuz I think most do.

And yes, the Gutierrez family seems to have gone home happier this year. Good. That was a regret for me in '03.

Hey guys, if you are making people happy with your brand of disc golf, great. Good for you. Really. Just try to remember that other people have opinions which are different from yours, maybe even better.

Jim,

    I'm pretty much done trying to debate philophies. We differ & that is cool. Had you come to me before the event about these issues, we may have been able to accomodate your needs. I scrambled to make this event happen & thank goodness so many others helped. I found out I was going to run it right before I left for Worlds. It's not that big of a deal. It's disc golf & it's supposed to be fun. I help at & play events that I think will be fun. That is why I do it. I had a bunch of fun this past weekend and am glad I was able to be part of it. I met a lot of new people and was able to hang around with friends. We even were able to teach rules & behind the scenes tournament stuff to many.

    You have given a lot to the game & the community. No one has ever questioned that.  I like you & i'm assuming most others do. No one really knows the exact reason why you left the club. You never really said why to any of us. You sent an e-mail & you were gone. Message boards can be good but in some cases like this, they can be bad. Before you left you wanted to step away and do less. You did & we have tried to keep the club going. We cannot help that we are doing things differently. You always say that this is not what you envisioned. We are doing things how we the club think they should be done. You are a 2004 club member but your voice has not been heard because you have not attened meetings nor events. How can we accomodate your vision without knowing what it is?

Take care & peace.

Jim,

As the parent of a junior age disc golfer I have two questions for you. What do you think is a good entry fee price? What do you think the junior players should get for that entry fee? Assume for both questions that these tournaments are local C-tier tournaments.

I threw out some ideas about what we are thinking for next year, but you didn't seem to have a reaction one way or the other. Or maybe those ideas were lost in the rest of the rhetoric on this thread.

Entry fees for jrs. and lower divisions for 2005 have been a topic of conversation with several of us running tournaments this summer. Also what they are playing for has been under discussion.

I'd like to hear your ideas on this if you'd like to share them. I also like the Jim Klem that I used to play frisbee with. The guest who posts here sometimes frustrates me. Perhaps constructive feedback will help reduce the frustration in our communications here.

Thanks,

Jon

A much deserved round of applause for the gentlemen who brought us the DISContinuum Blast this year. Also, an apology for not being able to make it on Sunday. I would have like to help out but I just wasn't able to get down there.

As for the event, I thought things ran very smoothly. As much as I would have liked to play a little better on a course I play frequently, I'll settle with my fourth place finish in the White Division. I paid $27 as an entry fee. I cashed $32 and received $15 in a CTP. I nearly doubled my entry in prizes (if not for the only bogey of my round on the last "little" hole I would have done better).

I do have a couple of recommendations:
1. Bruce: More Innova discs, please  :D
2. Cut some of the chains in a few of the baskets and take them over to Fairfield and install them there

I really enjoyed the whole ratings event thing. It gave me a chance to see how I really match up with others with similar ratings. It's a good opportunity to see where you're at with your game/skill. I also know now that if I want to beat a 16 year old I need to start playing a little more (Todd F. beat me by a few strokes).

Mirth: do you have my basket? Just want to make sure it's around for you to have for the Widdershins. Won't be able to be there....I have wedding that day.

The chain upgrades have been removed & are earmarked for Fairfield. See the Bevier thread for that one.... ;)

Brett has your basket & will be hanging onto it until the Widdershins. I'll make arrangements to get it back to you afterwards. :)

QuoteA much deserved round of applause for the gentlemen who brought us the DISContinuum Blast this year. Also, an apology for not being able to make it on Sunday. I would have like to help out but I just wasn't able to get down there.

As for the event, I thought things ran very smoothly. As much as I would have liked to play a little better on a course I play frequently, I'll settle with my fourth place finish in the White Division. I paid $27 as an entry fee. I cashed $32 and received $15 in a CTP. I nearly doubled my entry in prizes (if not for the only bogey of my round on the last "little" hole I would have done better).

I do have a couple of recommendations:
1. Bruce: More Innova discs, please  :D
2. Cut some of the chains in a few of the baskets and take them over to Fairfield and install them there

I really enjoyed the whole ratings event thing. It gave me a chance to see how I really match up with others with similar ratings. It's a good opportunity to see where you're at with your game/skill. I also know now that if I want to beat a 16 year old I need to start playing a little more (Todd F. beat me by a few strokes).

Mirth: do you have my basket? Just want to make sure it's around for you to have for the Widdershins. Won't be able to be there....I have wedding that day.

Serge,

Thanks for playing and thank you for your feedback.

As to #1, Bruce can answer this better. I know it is a challenge to get everything that someone may want because there are so many kinds of discs out there. Throughout the year Bruce has been taking orders at our events when he didn't have something that someone wanted so that he'd have it at the next event.

#2 has been completed. Thankyou Adrian Sr. for taking care of that! Brett and I will need to schedule some time to test some chain configurations for adding chains at Fairfield.

QuoteThe chain upgrades have been removed & are earmarked for Fairfield. See the Bevier thread for that one.... ;)

Brett has your basket & will be hanging onto it until the Widdershins. I'll make arrangements to get it back to you afterwards. :)

Thanks.

I findly got around to rearranging my apartment. There's a nice open space for the basket when it makes it's way back home. Don't think the girlfriend would approve...but she moved to Madison  :D  

Jon, I believe that, when dealing with Junior divisions, a balance needs to happen between (A) offering a low-price way to start playing competitively and (B) covering payouts and players packages.  This will probably differ from tier to tier.

I also believe that Juniors 16 and under should get a players package for R-Tier, D-Tier, and C-Tier events at the least. Not only do we want them to have a good time and walk away with something, but we want them to keep coming back. A well-run tourney should be enough, but I believe in overkill (could you have guessed that?).  I also think everyone should get awesome players packages for all Major events.

Thr trophy-only option should be made available more for Juniors and Recs and Women.  The more I think about trophies, the more I think they can have a place in the world of organized disc golf.

I'm glad to see new attempts being made at events here in IL.  But, again, I think a more balanced offering of sanctioned, nonsanctioned, and casual (but organized) events and leagues would serve the entire (all ages and skill levels) disc playing community a little better.  DISContinuum does a lot, no doubt, but the younger kids have no reason to play.  I'd like to see a 7-10 year old division for $5 with Players Package!  :-)

Regarding the Danny thing this Saturday, I'lll have to talk to him and get his story straight.  When I spoke to him, he was very upset about the cost (even though I gave him $ to play). However, I also spoke to several (5 or 6) casual players throughout last week at Bevier; they told me they would not be at the Blast because the cost was prohibitive.  They were also confused about ratings/division breakdowns for the event.  They did not like the $5 PDGA softcard deal either.  I told them to check out the Widdershins.

My original post on the Blast thread pinpointed the only REAL issue I had:
Non-PDGA Junior Player: $27
Non-PDGA Rec Player: $32
Pro Open PDGA Player: $33

This really is disproportionate, even if officially suggested by the PDGA.
My suggestions (you asked for 'em):
-Lower entry fees for lower ratings/divisions and raise the fees for Pros. No change in payouts.
-Players package 100% paid for by sponsor(s).
-Equal number of non-sanctioned and sanctioned events so as to include more casual/rec players (that was the type of alienation I spoke of earlier).


(the only edit done by Mirth was to turn off Emoticons for this post only....)

Jim,
    I'm just exlpaining trying to have a civil conversation.


    One of the reasons we added another PDGA Event this year is because only 7 of the 43 DISContinuum members are not PDGA members. So this year DISContinuum ran 2 sanctioned & has 1 non sanctioned am only event coming up on Oct 30th.  

Me too, Brett.  What was wrong with that post?

I did not know only 7 were not members.
You know me by now, always looking out for those casual players......

I think in 2005 we might be having another nonsanctioned event in the spring, which we would have run in 2004 if certain events hadn't happened.

Water under the bridge, guys. Yes, we need to cater to our members but at the same time we shouldn't lose sight of the goal of bringing new players to the sport and educating them on proper play.

Yep, Mirth, that's one of the things I was trying to say.

QuoteMy suggestions (you asked for 'em):
-Lower entry fees for lower ratings/divisions and raise the fees for Pros. No change in payouts.
-Players package 100% paid for by sponsor(s).
-Equal number of non-sanctioned and sanctioned events so as to include more casual/rec players (that was the type of alienation I spoke of earlier).

I really appreciate those suggestions. I think we are pretty close in how we think the pricing structure should be. My tweek on this is to remove the payout from Jr. and Rec divisions so that it no longer has the "gambling" aspect. The "payout" would be in the form of a player pack for everyone in the divsion plus trophies for the top 3 or so. I think this would encourage new players to play Rec and junior divisions even if they didn't have a chance to win plus it will encourage experienced rec and junior players to move up when they want a more competitive tournament experience.

I'm not going to hold my breath while we look for player's pack sponsors, but it might be feasible in the future to have the junior player's packs sponsored or at least mostly sponsored. DISContinuum has never had a 100% sponsored players pack, but if someone has a lead on one please let Brett know.

The plan that I submitted to the Discontinuum board was for a non-sanctioned Blast (I was not on the Board at the time, I was a member of the Ops committee). At the time the Board wanted another sanctioned tournament and went with another plan. I agree that a balance between sanctioned and non-sanctioned tournaments is a plus. Although we might differ on the reason. I like to be able to have the freedom to run different kinds of formats and what not that might not be within the guidelines of a PDGA event.

My plan now is to revive the HPC Memorial in a fun non-sanctioned tournament for 2005.

I like to hear your input Jim, but I think we'd all be more receptive to the way that you posted in this last post than in some of your previous ones.

Thanks,

Jon

The way I usually deal with juniors, and I think we did this for all the IOS events since I was doing Saturday payouts, is that everyone wins something all the way to last place.  I'm looking for confirmation of this but I can't find my copy of the TD reports.  

If we did IOS #2 this way, for their $23 entry fee, every junior would have received a $15 player pack for which we only took $10 out of the payout.  That would have left 5 players X $13 for the payout which would have gone 17, 15, 13, 11, 9.  Since there were five of them, we might have done a junior-only CTP also.  I'm fairly certain we did it that way.  Maybe Jon can confirm.  I thought the IOS Series worked fine for juniors, but my juniors chose to play in womens' divisions.

That $23 IOS Junior entry fee is right off the PDGA recommended schedule for a B-tier.  $20 + the $3 PDGA player fee.

I am open to the idea of running the junior divisions as player-pack and no-payout.  For $15 we could afford to do a $15 player pack, a trophy-item for first, pro rata pdga sanctioning, insurance and $3 fees.  I am also open to running a division below men's recreational for rec players who have never won anything.  You can pretty much X-tier anything you can fit on an Excel preformatted PDGA TD report, and I know how to put in a lower division for Recs who really ought not be in the same division as Jon and the Shorts.

For 2004 we were trying to introduce players to the concept of PDGA sanctioned events being run according to PDGA standards, since no one else in the region really does that.  For a B-tier that meant doing player packs.  For an RC-tier it meant not having junior, master or women's divisions, but placing those players in their rating indicated division.

I think a lot of non-members were confused by the R-tier format, although it was clearly explained on the flyer and the website.  Based on my experience at two R-tiers, and from talking to other R-tier TDs in Minnesota and elsewhere, the R-tier works best if the players don't know it is an R-tier until they get there!  That worked great in Ann Arbor.  Educating the players in advance just seems to keep the juniors, women, masters and non-members at home.  We had close to zero non-members on Sunday.  The red/rec non-members on Saturday mostly showed up clueless that it was an R-tier and maybe half went home with prizes still clueless.  I would not be surprised if one of the trophy-disc winners is chuckling right now because we mispelled Rec on the trophy disc:  it says "Red"!  

Obviously the R-tier format will not work well for juniors if they want to play as juniors against other juniors.  That is also true for pretty much everyone in the field except for Intermediate [Bronze] men and Open pro men.  In virtually every other R-tier division you get pros competing against similarly rated ams, women competing against similarly rated men, and old guys competing against similarly rated young people.  But, the R-tier is cool for what it is, an opportunity for everyone to play against everyone else who is close to their skill level.  It may be too egalitarian for our culture.  At both of the R-tiiers I played this year I enjoyed the slightly better and more varied competition found in Silver versus Advanced.  

QuoteHey Dan, have I ever attacked you? Have I ever been anything but pleasant and helpful when you first started playing Bevier? And about Wildwood: I worked my ass off to get a course in the ground. It may have gone awry, but there are still 7 baskets in the ground and kids playing every day. How is that bad? How much have you done to promote local courses? Sure you play, but then what? Please stop your immature rants of pure and unbased hatred and go clean up a course.

i barely know u dude and i don't respond seriously to people who make immature rants of pure and unbased hatred like this

QuoteBrett, yes, I called you a crybaby and I want you to show up.
Not for me, you idiot. For Twin Lakes Disc Golf Course and the commitment DISContinuum made

brett is my friend and I like spending time with and helping out the Brakel family and all i know is you have gone out of your way to be an ass to these people over the last several months.  so i guess attacking these people makes me feel defensive.  i don't really care what u think of me, i'm not even exactly sure what u look like.  i spend alot of my free time playing disc golf every day in this area, which would explain why i don't ever see u.

just fixing your bbcode Dan...

There will always be a challenge to dg organizers who plan events for Juniors and Recs. Although I rarely agree with you Bruce, you are quite active with the kids.
Keeping new, fresh ideas popping is so important.
 
I understand how you might feel, Dan, but you weren't involved when the Board was struggling earlier this year and my posts were not directed in any way toward you.  You say don't even remember me, and you still launched a ferocious personal attack.  That says a lot about you.  You even went way back to an old argument to drag up old garbage.  Not your business, and not appreciated.  

thats why they call me danimal.  i'm one ferocious mother trucker.

Not that I am a member of the club, but has there been any talk of a bring your own doubles tourny?  

I like that idea Brian.

Bring your own partner would be a cool event

QuoteNot that I am a member of the club, but has there been any talk of a bring your own doubles tourny?

Thats alright Brian, input from everyone is welcome.

Last winter we ran our incarnation of the Ice Bowl as a 'special' best shot league day. The winter before that our first Ice Bowl was random draw upper/lower all day partners.

Maybe our Ice Bowl in 2005 could use the BYOP format...  

I have heard talk about having a doubles tourney.  It would be cool if one leg of the 2005 IOS could be a doubles.  It would be interesting to see what the turnout would be for that.

I think doubles of some form is was brought up for IOS 2005. It is all in the talking stages, I think B)  

QuoteI have heard talk about having a doubles tourney.  It would be cool if one leg of the 2005 IOS could be a doubles.  It would be interesting to see what the turnout would be for that.

Speaking of the Blast, [this is the Blast thread right?] Brett's draft TD report is showing 151% payout for the Saturday players.  Wow.  I think we hit a higher number because we did not buy the PDGA insurance or spend extra for B-tier sanctioning, and gave that savings back to the players.  

I decided my Silver 2nd trophy was throwing plastic.  I birdied #4 and #6 with it today at league.  

Quote

QuoteI have heard talk about having a doubles tourney.  It would be cool if one leg of the 2005 IOS could be a doubles.  It would be interesting to see what the turnout would be for that.

Speaking of the Blast, [this is the Blast thread right?] Brett's draft TD report is showing 151% payout for the Saturday players.  Wow.  I think we hit a higher number because we did not buy the PDGA insurance or spend extra for B-tier sanctioning, and gave that savings back to the players.  

I decided my Silver 2nd trophy was throwing plastic.  I birdied #4 and #6 with it today at league.

Also Re: Blast, it was nice to see such a big turnout for Red.  It is like having a big freshman class.  That means next year we'll probably have a big sophomore class.  Eventually we'll have a big school.  

Bruce e-mailed me & I have to make a very few minor adjustments to the Saturday TD Report. Very easy fixes that will take less than 5 minutes to fix. I finished the Sunday TD Report last night. Once Bruce & Jon check it over, i'll be sending it to the PDGA.

I will post the scores here in the next few days & hopefully the PDGA will update the tour page to 4th DISContinuum Blast! Saturday &
4th DISContinuum Blast! Sunday so I can upload the scores onto it.

Sunday Results


Divison   Place           First          Last          PDGA#      1  2   3     T     $
G   1   Chris   Heeren   18464   41 41 16   98   $150.00
G   2   Terry    Miller   10738   43 49 15   107 $85.00
G   3   Kurt   Raffensberger 14583   46 50 13   109 $55.00
G   4   Tom   Schodtler   16910   49 45 17   111 $45.00
G   5   John   Knudson   12203   46 50 18   114   
G   6   Shane   Rose   20611   46 52   98   
G   6   Jason   Stamm   20614   46 52   98   
G   8   Alex   Bingman   4803   50 50   100   
G   9   Spike   Walker   7001   50 53   103


Division   Place          First          Last          PDGA#      1   2          T     $   
S   1   Brett   Comincioli   19325   47 47   94   $105.00
S   2   Bruce   Brakel   13087   47 49   96   $65.00
S   3   Dan   Michler   17103   51 48   99   $50.00
S   4   Todd   Kozlencer   13775   49 52   101 $36.00
S   5   Mike   Wondra   20610   53 50   103   
S   6   Fred   Vroman   22740   54 50   104
         
S    7   Paul   Males   23017   51 55   106   
S   8   KVN   LaVely   Temp   57 57   114


Division  Place           First          Last           PDGA#   1   2          T     $
B   1   Eric   Doty   22188   52 48   100 $123.00
B   2   Dan   Grimes   21542   49 51   10   $75.00
B   3   Todd   Fanning   24707   49 52   101  $50.00  

B    4   Kevin   Lenth   22890   52 51        103   $40.00
B   5   Nathan   Baron   24352   51 57        108   
B   6   Tom   Matesevac   23272   50 60        110   
B   7   Steve   Slater   23634   50 61        111   
B   7   Randy   Bruemmer   24811   50 61        111   
B   9   Adrian   Gutierrez Jr. 23485   55 63   118

Quote

QuoteI have heard talk about having a doubles tourney.  It would be cool if one leg of the 2005 IOS could be a doubles.  It would be interesting to see what the turnout would be for that.

Speaking of the Blast, [this is the Blast thread right?] Brett's draft TD report is showing 151% payout for the Saturday players.  Wow.  I think we hit a higher number because we did not buy the PDGA insurance or spend extra for B-tier sanctioning, and gave that savings back to the players.  

I decided my Silver 2nd trophy was throwing plastic.  I birdied #4 and #6 with it today at league.

Sunday's payout is looking like about 140%.

Saturday

Division   Place          First           Last          PDGA#     1   2   T     $
W   1   Adrain    Gutierrez   23486   46 50 96   $65.00
W   2   Jason   Waddingham   51 51 102   $54.00
W   3   Doug   Walker   25428   53 51 104   $43.00
W   4   Sergio   Correa   23093   54 51 105   $32.00
W   5   Mark   Brunner   24064   55 55 110   $22.00
W   6   Diron   Buglio   24577   59 56 115   
W   7   Adrian   Gutierrez Jr 23485   55 61 116   
W   8   Steve   Cohn   24886   59 63 122   

Division  Place           Frist          Last           PDGA#     1   2   T     $
R   1   Ed   Bansfield      53 57 110   $77.00
R   2   Kyle   Scuglik   21504   56 57 113   $67.00              

R   2               Damon   Short   17348   57 56 113   $67.00
R   2   Mark   Klimek      53 60 113   $67.00
R   5   Joe   Weitzel      59 56 115   $56.00
R   6   Jeremy   Inabinet   24083   61 56 117   $47.00
R   7   Al   Short   19438   61 57 118   $40.00
R   8   Jeff   Romig      57 63 120   $23.00
R   8   Kevin   Nebeker      58 62 120   $23.00
R   8   Kenny   Glassman      58 62 120   $23.00
R   8   Jack   Warek      59 61 120   $23.00
R   12   Nick   Charnikovich 22937   59 62 121   
R   13   Mike   Clark      59 69 128   
R   14   Nick   Fyock      60 69 129   
R   15   Matt   Drivdahl      67 65 132   
R   16   John   Roza      62 71 133   
R   16   Charles   Pushee      67 66 133   
R   18   Brett   Michaels      68 66 134   
R   19   David   Barish      72 72 144   

Division     Place          First          Last                         1   2    T    $
G      Rene   Albarra      71 999 999 DNF

Division   Place          First          Last                          1    2  T     $   
P   1   Julie   Waryck      75 71 146   $26.00
P   2   Lacey   Garfield      81 85 166   $18.00

I uploaded the results onto the PDGA page. Not sure why I wasn't able to get the prizes enter & that the final for the pros is way off due to only playin safari holes. Not sure how to fix it.  

QuoteI uploaded the results onto the PDGA page. Not sure why I wasn't able to get the prizes enter & that the final for the pros is way off due to only playin safari holes. Not sure how to fix it.

There's a setting where you can set the number of holes for a final round. It took me a couple of tries to figure it out. I think you also have to tell it what column to use for prizes. You can fix it just by trying it again. Every time you post it removes the last one.

Saturday PDGA players, I think I annoyed the PDGA enough that they are finally going to rate the Saturday Event. I hope more players come next year so I don't have to do this. Here is the response from Chuck.

Roger,

Let's make sure we can get this event processed in the next update even if it
only has 4 or 5 propagators.

Thanks,
Chuck

w00t!