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Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on October 23, 2004, 10:23:51 PM
Here is my ballot statement:

My brother Bruce forced me to begin playing Frisbee games at the age of 6. Following the directions on the back of a Frisbee, "...Invent games," he and his friends invented a game that involved chucking Frisbees at the six-year old. When mom put a stop to that, they "invented" Frisbee golf.

I am a life long Frisbee player. For the past four years I have also run tournaments; I currently co-TD the Illinois Open Series, which will consist of five or six events in 2005. I am the vice-president of Discontinuum, the husband of one of the co-founders of the Lake County Women's League, and the Uncle of a Junior World Champion. I am currently working on two course installation projects which I hope to be able to announce soon. I occasionally take pictures for Disc Golf World News. If I had a life, this would be it.

If I am elected State Coordinator I promise to send an Illinois player to the USDGC in 2005 and 2006 by nominating a tournament as the qualifying event. I will seek to convene a state scheduling summit each November so that we can coordinate a sensible state schedule. I will also attend the early season events to assist TDs with PDGA renewals and sign-ups at their tournaments, where ever that would be helpful.

Thank you for your vote.

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on October 26, 2004, 02:33:41 PM
klemrock has posted a ? on the pdga site
under the peoria club heading

my vote is usually a write in for my bro
but

Jon has my vote this year


is wilbur running this year ?

seems to me there are 2 parts of IL (or used to be)

chicago land area  and downstate


i think you might want to leave bruce out of your statement

wink wink


Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on October 26, 2004, 02:40:05 PM
The way the question is worded makes me think no
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 26, 2004, 02:44:20 PM
I too will be voting for Jon. I'm a little bummed that the USDGC spot was awarded to someone that would not go.  It would be nice to see our coordinator get involved as well.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 26, 2004, 07:36:52 PM
QuoteThe way the question is worded makes me think no
You can't infer anything from anything in a klemrock post
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on October 27, 2004, 05:28:08 AM
"Any info on who will run for Illinois State coordinator?"

What is there to interpret or to be inferred?
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 27, 2004, 05:53:36 AM
I'd take a guess the present IL State Coordinator will run again. So it's pretty safe to say there will only be 2 on the ballot. If you are a PDGA member you'll get the ballot with the information in the mail.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on October 27, 2004, 07:10:23 AM
Jim - just the way you worded the question could lend one to think Wilbur isn't running for reelection.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on October 27, 2004, 03:08:25 PM
Quote"Any info on who will run for Illinois State coordinator?"

What is there to interpret or to be inferred?
I'll interpret and infer that you don't want Jon Brakel to be elected  :D   Boo Ya!!  Just call me Colombo!  Who do I want to be elected?  I guess I'd rather have somebody who plans to actively do the job of the state coordinator over some dude who apparently puts in little or no effort.  Vote for Jon!  :D  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on October 27, 2004, 06:20:58 PM
wilbur has done a huge amount of work for illinois disc golf

again the 2 parts of IL comes into play
chicago land and southern IL

only in recent years has the northern part become active and/or competitive
obviously discontinuum has something to do with this
if you run it they will play

ask yourself why lombard doesn t hold sanctioned events

i think with all of the changes the pdga has put forth lately
it s  taken its toll on the TD's who have been running their events
the way they want to run them for years
my two cents on that topic

wilbur's area is peoria

obviously when he was running for the post
no one else was willing/able to run/able to run against him

yeah it makes no sense that no one from IL was selected
to attend USDGC

most likely in recent years no one was able to go

it takes time and money and a solid disc golf game (winning a T or T's)

perfect exampe is the worlds

brett - teacher had summer off enough dough to attend and a solid game

me  - recently unemployed no money no game ( i did get an invite the last few years due to a low pdga #) plenty of time unfortunately


so no blasting wilbur over 1 thing  please
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on October 27, 2004, 06:40:22 PM
I didn't blast Wilbur.  He has done things for disc golf.  However, I do wonder what he has done under the role of STATE COORDINATOR.  Has he held meetings to set up a schedule?  Who did he send to USDGC?  Yes he runs the GPO and does other things for Peoria players, but that doesn't make him a good state coordinator.  Unless somebody can show me otherwise, I don't really know what he has done to deserve to be the state coordinator again.  Please tell me why I'm wrong airspuds.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: damonshort on October 28, 2004, 05:25:11 AM
Quote
ask yourself why lombard doesn t hold sanctioned events

asking myself this question is fruitless, as I don't know the answer. Do you?  B)  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 28, 2004, 01:23:40 PM
Wilbur and Jon are your choices on the ballot.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on November 22, 2004, 04:52:16 PM
voted for jon

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 22, 2004, 07:21:28 PM
Got my ballot today. That's 2 Jon.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 22, 2004, 07:39:09 PM
Thanks. I was really hoping to not lose 2 to 34 or whatever. I'm thinking we'll have a good race. Did you notice that I'm the only person running for State Coordinator that put in a candidate statement? Since there are a few contested states I would have thought a few would have written up statements.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 23, 2004, 06:36:40 AM
QuoteThanks. I was really hoping to not lose 2 to 34 or whatever. I'm thinking we'll have a good race. Did you notice that I'm the only person running for State Coordinator that put in a candidate statement? Since there are a few contested states I would have thought a few would have written up statements.
I think the PDGA did an especially weak job of communicating to the membership how to get a name on the ballot and how to get a statement on the ballot.  Maybe that is a good thing: it means that only well motivated candidates are running.  

If you were living in Michigan I'd cast eight votes for you Jon!  

Meanwhile, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RENEW YOUR MEMBERSHIP TO VOTE.  IF YOU WERE GOING TO RENEW LATER IN 2005, YOU CAN STILL VOTE NOW.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Wilbur on November 25, 2004, 05:53:21 AM
Just got my PDGA package. Seems that they omitted my statement from mine. If you are also missing it, here you go:
Bio for Wilbur Wallis  PDGA# 6583

I discovered this great sport in 1986.  I have been very active in the Peoria Frisbee Club and have served as its President, Vice President, Secretary and Director.  

As a Certified Official I have been directing tournaments for over 12 years.  I have been the Assistant TD for the Peoria Open for many years and was the TD in 2004. I have been an Assistant TD for the United States Women's Disc Golf Championships since 2002 and did the websites.  I have also been an Official at 4 Pro Worlds and helped at 2 Am Worlds. I was the Course TD at Big Creek in Des Moines this year.

As a member of the Disc Golf Course Design Committee I have designed Bradley Park, Lauterbach Park, Illinois Central College, several temp courses and was a consultant for Northwood Park, and Douglas Park.  I have had many meetings with various Park Boards to get these courses installed.  

As the current Illinois State Coordinator, I have done many Disc Golf demonstrations for Boy Scouts and schools and maintain an informational website (www.illinoisdiscgolf.com) for Illinois Disc Golf.  My goals for the next 2 years is to have better communication among Illinois TD's, have tournament dates finalized in a more timely manor (both sanctioned and non-sanctioned), to develop an Illinois Tour and to host a special tournament to select the Illinois representative to the USDGC.

Thank you for your consideration.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on November 25, 2004, 06:22:15 AM
wilbur - sorry to hear your statement didnt make it
that sux  
kinda  chad like

i was wondering about no statement
but then sometimes i wonder to much

lol

good luck  

one thing i would like to see is more IL pdga members and votes from those members

people bi^*# and moan about every little thing sometimes but they wont take the time to vote/do what they have the right to do/vote

still think there are  two parts of IL  chicagoland and southern (south of joliet)

im sure whoever wins will do their best (as both of you have always done)
for the disc golfers of IL

mike walsh
10569


Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: shawn on November 25, 2004, 10:56:52 AM
post deleted by me
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Brian on November 25, 2004, 11:39:19 AM
damn  those are some fightin' words.  Maybe it should be settled on the course.  How do I change the state that I am registered to?  I know that the PDGA isn't the fastest moving org.  but still, I would like to know.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 25, 2004, 03:34:46 PM
Quotemost likely cause Brett does also..
Shawn,
    I'm not sure where you are getting info that I blast Wilbur. I stated facts that are true. Sometime the truth hurts.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 25, 2004, 04:45:32 PM
Quote... the better choose for Illinois ;) ..

Shawn,
    I would like to know what Wilbu has done to deserve my vote as IL State Coordinator.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on November 25, 2004, 06:07:11 PM
QuoteGood to hear from Wilbur... the better choose for Illinois ;) ..

should be a close one now that his statement was not included on the vote.

Dan, I'm not sure if I know you, but you really are an idiot.  You blast Wilbur..  most likely cause Brett does also..  But in all seriousness what has Jon done?  Compared to Wilbur... not much.  Jon lacks the respect from his fellow disc golfers..   I know quite a few golfers that do not want anything to do with this club because of him.  

So Dan, why is it that you blast people that you don't even know?  How old are you?  You come across as a spoiled rich kid who lives with his parents.. do you?
I don't really know you Shawn, but I'll blast you anyways  :D
I only played with you 1 time, which was enough.  It was at leagues and we were in the same group.  You drew Becky and acted like a jerk the whole round to everybody, probably because I drew Danny and kicked your frickin ass.  I think that was Week 1 Fall 2003 if you want to reminisce.

I don't think that I have really blasted Wilbur if thats what you're saying.  But, I would like to see Jon get a shot at that job instead of him...obviously only cuz Brett does (I can't think for myself cuz I'm an idiot )   :unsure:   I think I explained my reasons for wanting Jon over Wilbur in an above post.

I'm glad I come off like a spoiled rich kid.  Thats what I was going for.  I'm actually thinking of asking my parents if I can move back in too.  They are sooooo rich!!!!  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 25, 2004, 08:03:24 PM
Quotedamn  those are some fightin' words.  Maybe it should be settled on the course.  How do I change the state that I am registered to?  I know that the PDGA isn't the fastest moving org.  but still, I would like to know.
Call PDGAHQ.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Brian on November 25, 2004, 10:45:33 PM
QuoteCall PDGAHQ.

Are you serious?  There is no form on-line or some other option?  

Once again, I know that this organization is made up of volunteers, be we really need to get our act together.  Why don't they hire some grad school computer engineer or get some computer savvy member (and pay him/her in plastic) and make some house cleaning programs.  Like an automated ratings update and a Tournament results program.  Where the TDs just input the information and it's automatically updated.  As a buddy of mine pointed out, "I'm thinking about not renewing, when the ratings is the only real reason that I am a member."  I feel a good portion of the time that the PDGA is set up for the pro and not the amateur players.  As an intermediate player I felt shitted on at a few tournaments and the ratings system is a joke.  I know that I am better than my rating, however, certain tournaments don't count b/c there where not enough propagators that played my course setup or the damn tournaments were not reported.  This is something, the propagator factor, that I was totally unaware of and would have like to known before wasting $90 this summer.  So I guess why should a amateur renew their membership when: A. tournaments don't count on your rating, B. the rating system is not updated and pulls from data that is over a year old, C. the magazine does not offer a consistence 'How To' section, D. I most likely will not play enough events to justify saving my membership fee in tournament entrance fees, E. How much of an impact does the PDGA actually have in getting new courses installed in my area, F.  Does the PDGA actually make the sport of disc golf more reputable?  This lack of updates just furthers the sigma that we are all a bunch of pot-smoking, lazy, tree-hugging hippies.  G. And how does it help to build a better community when the lesser skilled and newer players are/ have been left out in the rain.  

Sorry for the rant, probably should have started a new topic for it.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: shawn on November 25, 2004, 11:17:24 PM
Quote
I don't really know you Shawn, but I'll blast you anyways  :D
I only played with you 1 time, which was enough.  It was at leagues and we were in the same group.  You drew Becky and acted like a jerk the whole round to everybody, probably because I drew Danny and kicked your frickin ass.  I think that was Week 1 Fall 2003 if you want to reminisce.

I was having a bad day in general and then to get hooked up with you in my group really pissed me off.  I'm sorry I offended Becky and Danny.  But I have already apoligized to them.  


I really don't give a shit about what happened a year ago, I've been blasted for my actions already... but thanks for bringing up a bad time in my life again.  I'm not that same guy anymore.  But when someone blast one of my friends (Jim) without ever really knowing him..   for that your an idiot.  

Jon... I'll respond to your pm tomorrow... it's late.

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 26, 2004, 05:32:30 AM
QuoteHow do I change the state that I am registered to?
When you send in your renewal this year change your address on the form or if you want it done immediately e-mail office@pdga.com now.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on November 26, 2004, 06:39:03 AM
Quote
I was having a bad day in general and then to get hooked up with you in my group really pissed me off.  

But when someone blast one of my friends (Jim) without ever really knowing him..   for that your an idiot.  

You didn't even know me at all, so why did it tick you off to get put in my group?  I know it was only a year ago, but thats the only exposure I've had to you.  That and now you calling me an idiot on the message board.  You seem like such a nice guy.

So, why did you say it was Wilbur I was blasting when you really meant Jim?  I won't deny that I've blasted him  :o   He initiated that himself.  I certainly wouldn't "blast" somebody I didn't know if I didn't fell that I had already been attacked.  Whatever, I don't really care.  I just want to play golf.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 26, 2004, 07:10:10 AM
chill out, dudes
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 26, 2004, 10:43:49 AM
Quotechill out, dudes
Yes, please. If we could, let's keep the topic of this thread on the Illinois State Coordinator election.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 26, 2004, 11:47:42 AM
This is why Wilbur's statement was not on the ballot.->

Brett
Cc Wilbur

The PDGA office never received Wilbur's statement, had we, it would've been
included.

Regards

BDH @ PDGAHQ
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 26, 2004, 12:58:53 PM
QuoteMy goals for the next 2 years is to have better communication among Illinois TD’s, have tournament dates finalized in a more timely manor (both sanctioned and non-sanctioned), to develop an Illinois Tour and to host a special tournament to select the Illinois representative to the USDGC.


If this were an election about disc golf clinics, promotion of the game, & installing courses, i'd vote Wilbur in a second.

However, this is not an election about that stuff. It's about the PDGA IL Sate Coordinator. I'm not sure how long Wilbur has held this position. I do know he's been in this position for 2 years.

The statement alone shows that Wilbur has not met the needs of IL players. These are issues that should have already been addressed & he's had his chance.

I know no matter who wins this election, having Jon on the ballot has opened Wilbur's eyes on what needs to be done & should have been done already. I just hope these issues are addressed over the next 2 years.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: tree on November 27, 2004, 01:25:42 PM
QuoteI know no matter who wins this election, having Jon on the ballot has opened Wilbur's eyes on what needs to be done & should have been done already. I just hope these issues are addressed over the next 2 years.
I agree
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: D on November 27, 2004, 02:57:12 PM
In the land of Lake County, lives a small town..

Welcome to... dramacontinuum.

*cue twilight zone theme*
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2004, 08:06:26 AM
QuoteDan, I'm not sure if I know you, but you really are an idiot. You blast Wilbur.. most likely cause Brett does also.. But in all seriousness what has Jon done? Compared to Wilbur... not much. Jon lacks the respect from his fellow disc golfers.. I know quite a few golfers that do not want anything to do with this club because of him.

So Dan, why is it that you blast people that you don't even know? How old are you? You come across as a spoiled rich kid who lives with his parents.. do you?
QuoteI'm not that same guy anymore.
Not the same guy but channeling him?  Completely different guy but you kept some of the worst characteristics of the old guy?  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2004, 10:08:05 AM

Not that most of the people on this board care, but my vote goes for Wilbur.
The issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

Jon says he has experience. But Wilbur has years more experience within organized disc golf. Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes.  That was when Adler was routinely getting 40+ people at weekly leagues.  Meanwhile, Wilbur has organized events which have garnered NATIONAL attention.

Wilbur has helped install numerous courses.  Jon (and family) dug one teepad at Wildwood.  And then complained about it.  Jon said "I am allergic to work." Although Jon has "worked" on several area courses, he has yet to install anything. Jon has no sponsor experience - except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 29, 2004, 10:22:34 AM
QuoteNot that most of the people on this board care, but my vote goes for Wilbur.
The issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

Jon says he has experience. But Wilbur has years more experience within organized disc golf. Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes.  That was when Adler was routinely getting 40+ people at weekly leagues.  Meanwhile, Wilbur has organized events which have garnered NATIONAL attention.

Wilbur has helped install numerous courses.  Jon (and family) dug one teepad at Wildwood.  And then complained about it.  Jon said "I am allergic to work." Although Jon has "worked" on several area courses, he has yet to install anything. Jon has no sponsor experience - except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture.
What has Wilbur done as the IL State Coordinator? I've yet to get that answer from Shawn or anyone else.

The job of the State Coordinator is to award 1 spot to send a player to the USDGC. It should be utilized. They are to coordinate events between all TD's. A series is not part of it but it would be nice to see IL get a state series going since most other disc golf states do.

Wilburs statement pretty much says he hasn't been doing a good job at that & he needs to improve. Isn't that what he should have been doing the past 2 years. I think he's been in that position more that 2 years.

I'll take my chance voting for Jon. He may or may not do a good job. You can't do any less that what's already been done.

I'm not disputing what Wilbur has done with courses, demos, & the GPO. That stuff has nothing to do with the job of the State Coordinator. There is only 1 person that is comparable to what Wilbur has done in IL. That's Gary Lewis.

IL TD's have to coordinate themselves since Wilbur isn't involved. We've already started planning for 2005 & have had to try to contact Gary Lewis. We have no idea when other events are being planned.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 29, 2004, 11:05:43 AM
The USDGC spot is a minor issue. Even if the State Coordinator does give out the spot it is up to the individual to make sure that they register in time, pay the entry fee and actually go.

State scheduling is the biggest issue that the state coordinator is responsible for. Wilbur has only maintained an on-line calendar. He does no proactive scheduling at all. Two years ago Wilbur promised to take an active role in state scheduling. Last year Gary Lewis and I had to work out our scheduling over the phone after Gary found out that we were running more than one event. This was AFTER we had e-mailed Wilbur to ask if our dates could be put on the calendar. This year Wilbur is again promising to take a more active role in state scheduling. Wilbur and I have had discussions about state scheduling face to face on several occasions and he knows that I have been dissapointed by the lack of leadership on his part in this area. I have no ill feelings toward Wilbur personally, I just think that he should have taken an active role in state scheduling years ago.

I think it is also important to represent the entire state as state coordinator. Wilbur is at all of the PFC events and I've seen him at the State Championships in Joliet. I saw him more at Iowa Worlds, where we were both TDs, than all the other events in Illinois put together. Since Peoria has been well represented for several years, I think having a representative further north will be good for the state.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 29, 2004, 11:14:33 AM
Quote...Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes...
I have never said that I have been "running events at Adler years ago." I think your mind is a bit confused, Mr. Guest. Recently on this board in response to a question that Diron asked about using temp baskets at Adler, I responded that not since Bruce and I ran the Handicapped Doubles tournament has Adler allowed temp baskets to be setup. Diron responded asking when this tournament was. I replied that it was several years ago, probably before he started playing. For the record, there were 8 players and 6 players won something. The event was a very whacky concept that Bruce and I wanted to try. I have never touted that as a big experience builder (although even that event I learned a few things) and it is not mentioned in my ballot statement either.

edit was done to correct outcome of the Handicapped Doubles. After looking at my notes, not everyone "won" something. Everyone got a free lunch and soft drinks. 6 people actually won something.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2004, 11:59:03 AM
Jon, in the past, you have indeed verbally touted that Adler event as part of your resume.  It was not really a response to Diron, just a fact posted to illuminate people to the truth.

Jon, if you lose, why not offer yourself to Wilbur as an assistant or coordinator in training until the 2006 election?  That way, an easier transition could take place and you could get some necessary experience.

This is not a slam.  It seems to me that many people are not satisfied with either you or Wilbur as Coordinator.  However, I believe the both of you, working together, really can do some great things for Illinois. Seriously. Illinois is huge and segregated with only email and postal mail to link each section.  We would benefit from the experience and talent each of you possesses.  I suggest that, no matter who wins, you begin to talk more and rely on each other to help.  It is a huge task and teamwork is better than having one overworked coordinator.

-scooter
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 29, 2004, 12:32:52 PM
QuoteJon, in the past, you have indeed verbally touted that Adler event as part of your resume.  It was not really a response to Diron, just a fact posted to illuminate people to the truth.

Jon, if you lose, why not offer yourself to Wilbur as an assistant or coordinator in training until the 2006 election?  That way, an easier transition could take place and you could get some necessary experience.

This is not a slam.  It seems to me that many people are not satisfied with either you or Wilbur as Coordinator.  However, I believe the both of you, working together, really can do some great things for Illinois. Seriously. Illinois is huge and segregated with only email and postal mail to link each section.  We would benefit from the experience and talent each of you possesses.  I suggest that, no matter who wins, you begin to talk more and rely on each other to help.  It is a huge task and teamwork is better than having one overworked coordinator.

-scooter
Look at the PFC forum if you have a chance.

Both Wilbur and I have pledged to support each other no matter who wins.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2004, 12:42:41 PM
Look at the PFC forum if you have a chance.
 I will.

Both Wilbur and I have pledged to support each other no matter who wins.
 Good to hear.  Thanks for the quick replies.

-scooter
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 29, 2004, 04:39:43 PM
QuoteThe USDGC spot is a minor issue. Even if the State Coordinator does give out the spot it is up to the individual to make sure that they register in time, pay the entry fee and actually go.

I agree. Yes, it is up to the person to make sure they register & pay for the entry fee. However, I think the State Coordinator should ask the qualifying person if they are going to go. If they say no, they should find the next best qualifying person to go.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 29, 2004, 05:17:08 PM
QuoteThe issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

The Jon & Bruce conspiracy continues. Did you hear that if elected Jon is sending Bruce to the USDGC :lol:  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 29, 2004, 05:20:02 PM
honestly, I don't believe Bruce was ever sponsoring anything. His was more the role of 'guy with the best freaking wholesale prices on plastic'.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 29, 2004, 08:43:52 PM
Quotehonestly, I don't believe Bruce was ever sponsoring anything. His was more the role of 'guy with the best freaking wholesale prices on plastic'.
I posted something lengthy and then deleted it.  My only role in this is to raid the till and spend it on fast cars and loose women.  Only, there's not so much money in this game so I got me a ten-year old Saturn and a 20-year old marriage.  :grin:
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 29, 2004, 08:46:16 PM
you guys are really making great points here.  mostly, why not too renew membership to this club.  Mirth, you say "wholesale prices.."  that is great for the club but when players go to one of these events do they see "wholesale prices"?  no..  16 bucks for an orc?  come on.  I know the club is benifiting and so is the girls club..  but it just looks fishy that Jon and Bruce are brothers and he is the only retailer there.  

nuf said,

Shawn
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 29, 2004, 08:54:55 PM
Quote16 bucks for an orc?  

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on November 29, 2004, 08:58:48 PM
who's on first ?

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 29, 2004, 09:00:56 PM
I posted something lengthy also, but really I have to go pack. I'm going to Hawaii for a month with all the money that I skimmed off the top of the 2004 IOS.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 29, 2004, 09:02:34 PM
What's on second?
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 29, 2004, 09:26:27 PM
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Quote16 bucks for an orc? 

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.
For those who are clueless, the sticker on the bottom is the brass price that approximates the Innova SRP, and is mainly there for brass purposes.  If anyone actually paid 16 dollars for an Orc, please, next time ask for the cash discount!  

It's amazing how all of our complaints come from two former people who don't actually play our tournaments or have any idea what is going on.  Most TDs don't play their own tournaments for one very good reason, and it's a lot like a sausage maker who won't eat his own sausage, whereas if you look at our volunteer core, every one of them was playing one day or the other except when they were injured or sick.  

We run the events that we gave up wishing that other TDs would run.  That is our only motivation.

That plus making the monthly payment on the Corvette we bought.  Brett, you aren't driving it in the rain again, are you?
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 29, 2004, 09:28:45 PM
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Quote16 bucks for an orc? 

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.
Perhaps he's looking at the price list?

Shawn, if a tournament is going to make a profit somewhere its going to either be off the top of the prize pools or merch sales. Which would you rather have, an event where 85% of the entry fees are paid out & cheap plastic or 100%+ and discs that are a little more on the expensive side?
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: damonshort on November 29, 2004, 10:07:27 PM
reading this crap is like watching a pileup on the interstate...you know it's ugly but you can't help but look.

I've really had no bones to pick with anybody but I'm finally going to say something. For one thing, if I saw *anything* priced at $16 at any IOS event it was a dye job or something similarly 'premium'.

I helped out at a couple of tournaments this year - someone else who did posted at length about the Blast weeks ago and I'll let him speak for himself - I saw the financials too, and I'll gladly vouch that the benefits to the players easily match or exceed any tournament I've ever played in.

I don't see any hidden agendas anywhere on Jon's part, and it's really depressing to see this mud wrestling going on among people whom I have no problem with as individuals but who can't seem to deal with one another. Also a drag to have all this dirty laundry exposed on a public forum where anybody possibly interested in a disc golf club can see it, but I guess that's the beauty of the "Internets" <_< .

I don't get it. I really don't get it. Please stop.

oh yeah, I mailed my vote for Jon today.

(Jon, I'll email you the address of the offshore account to mail the check to... )

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2004, 06:11:42 AM
So, anyone who does not support Jon is going to get raked over the coals? Questions are not admissible?  Only one opinion allowed?  Welcome to China!  

What I posted earlier about the Brakels' Adler event was a push for Wilbur and an opportunity to expose some small verbal untruths Jon and Bruce have spouted out over the years about running "multiple" events at Adler with great payouts and attendance. Most of you weren't even playing back then, so how can you defend them?

So much of what the Brakels do is just plain fishy. The $16 Orc is a good example.  A price tag says $16.  If it doesn't cost $16, why would the sticker read $16?  Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash. Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like.  Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.

Granted, Jon was not selling plastic, nor has he been making tons of cash at our expense.  I never accused anyone of that.  You escalated my remarks to a ridiculous level so as to avoid direct communication.  Fishy.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 30, 2004, 07:03:10 AM
$16.00 Champion Orc???

Where is this coming from?


I played 6 events this year that I did not help run. I have been to 1 tournament that has had cheaper prices on plastic. That was the Homie. Most of the others had equal and a few with higher prices.

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on November 30, 2004, 07:18:07 AM
Damon,

    I apologive for the negativity. Sometimes I have to reply when people post information that is incorrect. Especially when the statments are about events that people have not attended.
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    I don't want to be negative on the board. It's stressfull & not fun. For those of you who don't like whatever aspect of the club, don't be a part of it. You obviously don't like someone or something. Don't read the message board, attend events, & legues. Why do you care?

    If you do want to be part of the club, come to club meetings, leagues, & tournaments. Better yet, club elections are being held on 12-19. Anyone that wants to run for a position, please do so. I would be more than willing to not run this year. If you think you can do better, here is your chance. You'll run uncontested & step right in on January 1st. You can get as many vendors as you want. You can lure that big sponsorship we are hearing about. You can run leagues & events any way you want. Any takers? The thread to nominate club members for club elections is here. http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1541 (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1541)

Sorry for the negativity.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: damonshort on November 30, 2004, 07:29:03 AM
QuoteThe $16 Orc is a good example. 

Don't recall a $16 Orc, but since another anonymous poster said this, maybe it's true. And Hussein flew one of the planes on 9/11.
Quote...Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash.  Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like. Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.
Nope. It was always clear to me and afaik anyone who actually played in any of the tournaments how the brass cash worked, and it was an added bonus that the brass cash was good *for the rest of the year*, a concept that I've only seen elsewhere with the PFC. (might be a couple of WI vendors who do it too...)

I normally don't respond to anonymous posts, but this is beyond ridiculous. I don't get it. I really don't get it. Please stop.

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on November 30, 2004, 08:12:42 AM
QuoteSo, anyone who does not support Jon is going to get raked over the coals? Questions are not admissible?  Only one opinion allowed?  Welcome to China!  

What I posted earlier about the Brakels' Adler event was a push for Wilbur and an opportunity to expose some small verbal untruths Jon and Bruce have spouted out over the years about running "multiple" events at Adler with great payouts and attendance. Most of you weren't even playing back then, so how can you defend them?

So much of what the Brakels do is just plain fishy. The $16 Orc is a good example.  A price tag says $16.  If it doesn't cost $16, why would the sticker read $16?  Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash. Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like.  Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.

Granted, Jon was not selling plastic, nor has he been making tons of cash at our expense.  I never accused anyone of that.  You escalated my remarks to a ridiculous level so as to avoid direct communication.  Fishy.
I have to respond to this once more, and then if Mr. Guest wants to continue spreading the untruth, then so be it.

I haven't held multiple events at Adler. Bruce and I ran one tournament. One of our whacky format micro tournaments that Bruce and I have run in Illinois and Michigan. I have joked before that Bruce and I used to specialize in running micro tournaments. Bruce and I also ran many large and successful tournaments in Michigan before Brett, Bruce and I started the Illinois Open with the help of many Discontinuum members. It wasn't until the Illinois Open that I helped to run a large tournament in Illinois. Until then all my large tournament running experience was in Michigan.

No matter how many times Mr. Guest says it, I can assure you that I have never said or posted that I have run multiple large events at Adler. I have no idea why Mr. Guest thinks that I said this. It never happened. I think he's just confused between the multiple small and large tournaments that I helped to run in Michigan before and after becoming active in Discontinuum and the one micro tourney that I helped run at Adler.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on November 30, 2004, 09:59:41 AM
B.S., Jon. My conscience is clear.
-Scooter
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest_Shawn on November 30, 2004, 10:37:49 AM
Quote$16.00 Champion Orc???

Where is this coming from?


one of the guys I play with told me that he paid 16 for an orc... Brian is his name..  a transplant to the Kenosha area from Cystal lake.  Your right I never played any of your events, but will next year.  If I'm wrong about what he told me..oh well.. there is a first for everything.  :P

Shawn
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 30, 2004, 10:44:06 AM
So why are you no longer logging in as yourself Shawn?
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: shawn on November 30, 2004, 10:50:24 AM
forgot my password.. just remembered it.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 30, 2004, 11:00:08 AM
yaaay! :) Been missing hasselhoff. ;)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: D on November 30, 2004, 12:59:23 PM
Pfft, hasselhoff

It's all about Kitt Mirthman ;)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 30, 2004, 01:05:55 PM
True, Diron. I was at Universal Studios in CA once when I was a kid & got to sit in Kitt and talk to it. Aww yea
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: D on November 30, 2004, 01:49:17 PM
Too bad you couldn't take him for a spiiiiin. What did he tell you Mirth?  :D

What about Kross, or Karr? His evil brother or something..?

Ahaha good stuff  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 30, 2004, 01:50:56 PM
Innova's current suggested retail price for Champion plastic is $15.99, according to Amanda at Innova East.  She says they did two price changes in 2004 and could not say when it was changed to 15.99 off the top of her head.  So it may be that a later order or Orcs was priced at 16 on the sticker.  If it was an earlier order, it was mismarked, because earlier the SRP was 14.99.  I try to keep my sticker prices set right at SRP on the Innova for reasons I won't go in to.

What a disc is worth is really a hard thing to say.  Last winter Luna, a vendor himself, was trading me random new Champion plastic straight up for Stratuses from a particular run and color that I happened to have, and I really don't want to say what I paid for those Stratuses, except that they were similar to free.  But this is what they were worth to Luna and he thought he was getting the better end of the bargain.  Maybe he had a hot market for them and was going to get 2 Champ discs each for them.  He is deep into the local disc arbitrage markets!

Once you get out of communist China, to borrow an expression from somewhere else, it's willing buyer - willing seller.  Anyone who reads this board knows I'm always willing to deal for cash.  You like my shoes?  How much you like my shoes?  

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COUPON: Valid one per player named "Brian" until December 31, 2005:

$4 off your next cash purchase of any Champion Orc after payment of entry fee.

PRINT, CLIP AND SAVE!

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Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 30, 2004, 01:57:36 PM
All of which has so much to do with whether Jon will succeed in doing the two things required of a state coordinator, or whether this is just another small stepping stone in the Brakel Brother's Conspiracy to take over PDGA disc golf and run it into the ground by mandating whacky concept tournaments for the National Tour:

"The Discraft Random 3-Player Team Mulligan Handicapped Ratings Based Great Lakes Open!"
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 30, 2004, 01:59:11 PM
bruce - I believe Brian = Brian on page 2 of this thread.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on November 30, 2004, 03:08:07 PM
Guys, enough already.

edit content:
99% of all the SHIT you have been throwing back and forth at each other the last few days have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the IL Coordinator election.

from this point on, I want this thread to remain on topic. Any off topic posts will be removed.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on November 30, 2004, 05:17:28 PM
I agree, which is why I have abstained from posting recently.   :ph34r:
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on November 30, 2004, 06:07:50 PM
Jon, I have some bad news buddy.  I can't vote for you because I can't get a ballot.  They sent it to my old address and they won't send me another ballot for obvious reasons.  If anyone plans on not voting then send me your ballot and I'll vote for you  :D   I hope you don't lose by 1  :o  This ticks me off cuz I do think that this is going to be close.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on November 30, 2004, 06:28:31 PM
that sounds stupid/silly/typical ????????

there were #'s on the ballot so they should know
if you voted or not


dang im ticked i didnt write in a vote for dan m
for one of the national positions dang

i did write in my bro

heheheheehe
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 30, 2004, 06:57:55 PM
Quotebruce - I believe Brian = Brian on page 2 of this thread.
I noticed that there was a Brian on here, and I hope he votes, but we had several Brians play different legs, and I hope they all vote, but I was not sure which one it was, so i thought maybe a $4 off coupon would buy all their votes!!!   :D  :lol:  :P  :rolleyes:  8)  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Brian on November 30, 2004, 07:25:44 PM
QuoteI noticed that there was a Brian on here, and I hope he votes, but we had several Brians play different legs, and I hope they all vote, but I was not sure which one it was, so i thought maybe a $4 off coupon would buy all their votes!!!

Shawn is talking about me, thank you for the $4 off.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on December 01, 2004, 10:50:04 AM
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QuoteI noticed that there was a Brian on here, and I hope he votes, but we had several Brians play different legs, and I hope they all vote, but I was not sure which one it was, so i thought maybe a $4 off coupon would buy all their votes!!!

Shawn is talking about me, thank you for the $4 off.
Well you can vote for Terry Miller, but I think he is running unopposed, if that is not too far off topice.  Remember, anyone who wants to vote but wants to spend that $Membership $Renewal $Fee on Christmas gifts, you can vote now and renew later.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on December 02, 2004, 04:20:07 PM
Illinois is not the only state that has players that are concerned with appointing a player to the USDGC.
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?...0972#Post272750 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=272750&Main=270972#Post272750)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on December 02, 2004, 11:17:41 PM
I saw that.  I went and posted on their club message board, responding to his statement that if the downstaters really want to go to USDGC then they can shut their yaps and drive to Rochester and Buffalo and beat the best players in the state for it.  It reminded me of Flip City-gate last summer when those nattering nabobs of ninnyhood from Ann Arbor went so far as to complain to Harold Duvall and he told me, "Whatever you're doing, if it is anything like what they are complaining about, I'm behind you 100%.  If they have to crawl on their bellies through broken glass, eat live bugs and kill rattlesnakes with their bare hands to get in to USDGC, those are the kinds of guys we want playing this tournament."

Or words to that effect.  Harold is colorful.  I don't remember axactly how he put it or if it was e-mail or when I was calling in to order discs.  Harold's point was that he thinks just qualifying for the tournament ought to be an accomplishment of some kind, but he likes to let the SCs use their creativity in deciding how and he finds the controversy to be quite entertaining.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: shawn on December 03, 2004, 12:58:53 AM
I love that last post Bruce... I love the course and everything that this event stands for.  If your good enough you can get in...  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on December 03, 2004, 07:16:40 AM
There are a couple of ways into the event that are not well publicized.  Turns out I allegedly could have gone this year but I only found out about the alleged unused exemption that I could have grabbed about a week before the event.  The Cam Todd deal was still taking up a lot of time and I could not get off work on such short notice.  Maybe my arm was toasted at that point too.  Surely the sun was in my eyes, I got stopped by a train and they lost my tux at the cleaners.  

So I might be able to go next year if that exemption really exists, still exists and the guys in line ahead of me all pass on it again.  If I wind up talking to Harold between now and then, I'll have to ask him about it, and then come up with some game plan for getting to the front of the line.  It won't be by beating them all on the course.  

Plenty of guys who suck get in on the various exemptions.  Harold likes to have those players there for reasons that make sense to Harold.  I'm fine with that.  
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Vote if you can vote.  Remember, you can vote now and renew later.  Even if you live in Wisconsin, there is also the Constitutional proposal that has the added benefit of limiting my next term.  So vote.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on December 16, 2004, 10:09:16 AM
Don't forget to send in your votes.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on December 23, 2004, 10:31:20 AM
when do we find out the results?  i saw wilbur played in a whopping 1 tournament last year.  jon played in 5 (granted he was helping run 4 of those  :D ).
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on December 23, 2004, 10:39:46 AM
Quotewhen do we find out the results?  i saw wilbur played in a whopping 1 tournament last year.  jon played in 5 (granted he was helping run 4 of those  :D ).
I think we find out in early January. But I guess Wilbur already knows the results since he has told the Rockford crew that the State Coordinator is going to have a meeting with the state TDs in Jan or Feb.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Chainmeister on December 23, 2004, 10:55:37 AM
Jon

I guess you better mark your schedule.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: whofarted on December 23, 2004, 02:34:00 PM
the e mail i recieved from him said nothing about him being state coordinator, i wouldn't read into that too much.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on January 05, 2005, 08:43:54 AM
Congratulations, Jon!  Way to uphold the family tradition by winning by one vote!

I'm going to USDGC!!!  [Just kidding on that last bit.]  :grin:
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: SERG on January 05, 2005, 09:04:35 AM
Bruce, do you know if the 9.1% voting is fairly average compared to recent years? I will admit, I did not vote...only because I cannot find where I put my renewal packet...but it just doesn't seem worth sending out over 8000 ballots and getting less than 10% back.

Maybe there is a way to do voting online? It seems there's always people on the PDGA Discussion board. If people are visiting the site they may be more apt to vote there.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Chainmeister on January 05, 2005, 09:36:38 AM
While you are at it Bruce, what does the Oversight Director do?  Congrats to both you and Jon.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on January 05, 2005, 10:30:00 AM
Congrats Jon![/size]
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: airspuds on January 05, 2005, 10:32:33 AM
hey how bout that  

anyone heard complaining can be put in their place easily

i think it is horrible that only 9 % returned  ballots


now i know why most of the discers bitch and moan about everything all the time but dont wont do anything to resolve problems or issues

congrats jon

who would have though discontinuum members could swing an election

by the way "robert walsh" got 1 vote as a write in (as usual)




Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on January 05, 2005, 10:34:04 AM
I'd like to thank the 18 people who voted for me and Wilbur for everything that he has done and continues to do for disc golf in Illinois.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on January 05, 2005, 10:39:55 AM
Congrats, Jon. Now the state is really going to hell in a handbasket! ;)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on January 05, 2005, 11:19:03 AM
QuoteWhile you are at it Bruce, what does the Oversight Director do?  Congrats to both you and Jon.
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Bruce, do you know if the 9.1% voting is fairly average compared to recent years? I will admit, I did not vote...only because I cannot find where I put my renewal packet...but it just doesn't seem worth sending out over 8000 ballots and getting less than 10% back.

Maybe there is a way to do voting online? It seems there's always people on the PDGA Discussion board. If people are visiting the site they may be more apt to vote there.
The Oversight Director is specificly entrusted with making sure that the PDGA follows its Constitution and rules.  I have actually had several opportunities to fulfill that role over the last four months, sometimes at the request of the commissioner, sometimes sua sponte.  It is a role for someone who thinks like a lawyer.  In other words, sometimes you have to be the a-hole to do the job.

9.1% turnout is normal for a state with a contested election.  If you go through the voting results you'll see that one guy ran unopposed and got zero votes!  Less than 10% participation overall is normal also.  Most members join the PDGA to get the magazine, to play their regional A-tier or Major, to get a rating, to support the sport, but not so they can vote in the elections.  

Apathy is o.k.  It makes the vote of those who care worth more.  In a close vote like that, if you really care, you can buy a membership for your wife and kid and pet turtle and vote four times!  

I think the last time e-voting came up I was not yet the Oversight Director but was helping out with oversight issues.  The problem with e-voting is that under the Constitution we have to conduct the vote in such a way that every member with a current address gets a ballot delivered to him.  Not every member is e-capable.  We also have to ensure that no one votes both by paper ballot and computer.  About the only way to do it would be to have the members check off their preferred means of voting on the membership form.  Otherwise, our Constitutional voting procedures would allow e-voting.  

Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on January 05, 2005, 11:25:07 AM
The Oversight Director is also a board member who votes on everything the Board votes on.  The PDGA board minutes can be found on PDGA.com but this is my warning: if you hunt them down and read them and we find out, we will force you to serve in some higher capacity.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: SERG on January 05, 2005, 12:19:22 PM
Thanks for the reply, Bruce.

Congrats to both Bruce and Jon.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Wilbur on January 05, 2005, 02:38:33 PM
Congratulations Jon. Good luck in your new position. You have my full support.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on January 05, 2005, 03:27:05 PM
by 1 vote!  thats crazy.  good thing it wasn't the other way around or u could have blamed me for not changing my address which caused me to not receive my ballot.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: whofarted on January 05, 2005, 03:48:27 PM
hey, now we actually have a disc golfer as a state coordinator!  congradulations brah....
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Wilbur on January 05, 2005, 04:02:26 PM
It was difficult to play much when I had 5 pins sticking out of my broken wrist on my throwing hand. I am still trying to get back into form, 10 months later. Probably will never be 100% again. At least I broke it helping the sport I love....installing concrete tees at McNaughton.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on January 05, 2005, 04:35:03 PM
sorry to hear about that wilbur.  hopefully you'll be ready to go for 2005.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: mirth on January 05, 2005, 07:44:12 PM
Now now... Not all of the sport's biggest supporters have time to volunteer and play as much as they'd like.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: kyle on January 05, 2005, 07:56:14 PM
QuoteBruce, do you know if the 9.1% voting is fairly average compared to recent years? I will admit, I did not vote...only because I cannot find where I put my renewal packet...but it just doesn't seem worth sending out over 8000 ballots and getting less than 10% back.
I'm guessing a lot of people were lazy like me and didn't vote because their state's rep wasn't up for reelection this year. (Not that that's a good excuse)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on January 05, 2005, 08:21:02 PM
QuoteCongratulations Jon. Good luck in your new position. You have my full support.
Thanks Wilbur. To get the things done in Illinois that we both want to see, I will need your support. I appreciate that and what you continue to bring to disc golf in Illinois.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: whofarted on January 06, 2005, 05:20:31 AM
sorry, poor choice of words....
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Guest on January 06, 2005, 06:47:21 AM
Apathy is never OK. Not even when you gain an advantage from it.
-Scooter
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on January 06, 2005, 02:07:47 PM
Most of the races were uncontested.  Its pretty obvious to understand why people aren't very motivated to vote when there is only 1 candidate.  The bottom line is our guy won here in IL so I'd say the perfect number of people voted.   :lol:  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: CEValkyrie on January 07, 2005, 07:30:26 AM
Jon,
   Any ideas or projects that you are looking to get going? I can always help on the IL course directory page. I've played over 40 IL courses now.

For anyone that does not know the work that the coordinator does, in this link is what the PDGA Office posted. http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?...o=&fpart=2&vc=1 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=290188&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: damonshort on January 07, 2005, 08:00:03 AM
Congratulations Jon and good luck! ("be careful what you wish for"....  :P  )
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on January 07, 2005, 08:24:23 AM
QuoteCongratulations Jon and good luck! ("be careful what you wish for"....  :P  )
Thanks. Fortunately for 18 Illinois disc golfers, they are only stuck with me for 18 months since the referendum on Summer elections passed.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Jon Brakel on January 07, 2005, 08:30:45 AM
QuoteJon,
   Any ideas or projects that you are looking to get going? I can always help on the IL course directory page. I've played over 40 IL courses now.

For anyone that does not know the work that the coordinator does, in this link is what the PDGA Office posted. http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?...o=&fpart=2&vc=1 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=290188&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=2&vc=1)
My immediate goals for the 1st qtr of '05 are:

1) Make sure that Illinois TDs are getting their '05 tournaments sanctioned and iron out any scheduling conflicts. This includes talking to the Rockford guys to find out if they need any help with their first sanctioned tournament.

2) Identify a tournament to give away the State Coord. USDGC slot at.

3) Go over the state directory and identify needs for updates. I'd like to confirm directions for as many as I can as well. The PDGA course directory is notorious for incomplete/incorrect directions to courses.

I'm sure there's something that I am forgetting...my notes are at home. I'll post later from home if I've missed something.
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on January 09, 2005, 05:34:50 PM
Let me give you a suggestion:  don't give the USDGC invite away at the UWParkside IOS!  :D

Jon Lyksett has a couple of jobs for you also.  The course evaluation committee hopes to get the course evaluation system up and running in 2005.  Basically they are looking for more detailed information about the courses so that they can have ratings like how Michelin rates restaurants and hotels, only less emphasis on sauces and swimming pools, and more emphasis on marked course routing and good course design.  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Dan Michler on January 09, 2005, 06:00:21 PM
if nobody else wants the usdgc invite in all of IL then i will be happy to accept it jon :)
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: shawn on January 10, 2005, 12:13:01 AM
QuoteLet me give you a suggestion:  don't give the USDGC invite away at the UWParkside IOS!  :D

If you have a event later in the season were you give away the USDGC seat.  Brett or myself might have a chance at it as most of the good golfers have already won a spot...   So think of a event that is about 3-4 weeks before the USDGC.   I'll start saving a few buck just in case...  ;)  
Title: State Coordinator of Illinois
Post by: Bruce Brakel on January 10, 2005, 06:15:08 AM
Quote
QuoteLet me give you a suggestion:  don't give the USDGC invite away at the UWParkside IOS!  :D

If you have a event later in the season were you give away the USDGC seat.  Brett or myself might have a chance at it as most of the good golfers have already won a spot...   So think of a event that is about 3-4 weeks before the USDGC.   I'll start saving a few buck just in case...  ;)
When I had a USDGC invite to give away, it had to be given away in July.  It expired August 1.  The rules change every year.

State coordinators have all the fun!   :angry: