DISContinuum DISCussion

SCHEDULE

04-23/24-05
IOS #1 @ UW Parkside
UW Parkside-Kenosha, WI
http://www.sewisconsindiscgolf.org/courses...ide/uwp01p.html (http://www.sewisconsindiscgolf.org/courses/parkside/uwp01p.html)
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Pro/Adv, Sunday-Lower)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams

PREREGISTER FOR THIS EVENT
http://www.discontinuum.org/index2.html (http://www.discontinuum.org/index2.html)

If you do not wish to preregister online, you can mail your preregistration to:
Brett Comincioli
1018 Lotus Drive
Round Lake Beach, IL 60073
Please include your name, address, and phone number.



There are no refunds on preregistrations.
If you do not show up the day of the event your entry fee will be added to the prize pool.




05-28/29-05
IOS #2 @ Lombard
Madison Meadow Park-Lombard, IL
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Pro/Adv, Sunday-Lower)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams


06-25/26-05
IOS #3 - Crystal Cruise
Lippold Park-Crystal Lake, IL
http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/i...lake/index.html (http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/illinois/crystallake/index.html)
(Am-C, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Lower, Sunday-Adv/Pro)
No Player Pack


07-23-05
IOS #4 - Forest City Frenzy
Anna Page Park-Rockford, IL
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-All Divisions)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams


08-13/14-05
IOS #5 - Stream Shady
Shady Oaks Park-Streamwood, IL
http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/illinois/shadyoaks/ (http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/illinois/shadyoaks/)
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Lower, Sunday-Adv/Pro)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams


09-17-05
IOS #6 - 5th DISContinuum Blast
Bevier Park-Waukegan, IL
http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/i...vier/index.html (http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/illinois/bevier/index.html)
(Am-D, Pro-D)
(Saturday-All Divisions)
TROPHY ONLY FOR AMS
No Player Pack


10-15/16-05
IOS #7 Fairfield Fairwell
Fairfield Park, Round Lake, IL
http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/i...ield/index.html (http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/illinois/fairfield/index.html)
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Lower, Sunday-Adv/Pro)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams

We will be offering a Recreational Women's division at all IOS events. We will be providing 3-5 Recreational Women at each event to compete with. Please bring your wives, girlfriends, co-workers, sisters and Moms to play!

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CONTACT

Jon Brakel
PDGA #10246
jon@brasscash.com
(847) 670-1757
PDGA Illinois State Coordinator
Vice President, Discontinuum Disc Golf Club

Bruce Brakel
PDGA #13087
bruce@brasscash.com
Waterford Jr. Girls Club Dictator General President for Life

Brett Comincioli
PDGA #19325
brett@brasscash.com
(847) 858-4368
President, Discontinuum Disc Golf Club

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ENTRY FEES

There is a standard fee or the option of a trophy only fee (). Read below for more details about trophy only.

Lower
Recreational Men-> $20.00---($13.00 Trophy Only)
Recreational Women-> $20.00---($13.00 Trophy Only)
Intermediate Men-> $20.00---($13.00 Trophy Only)
Intermediate Women-> $20.00---($13.00 Trophy Only)
Junior-16  &under-> $10.00---(Trophy Only NA for Junior Division)
We will offer any other Junior Divisions if there are competitors.

Advanced/Pro
Open-> $45.00---($24.00 Trophy Only)
Pro Women-> $45.00--- ($24.00 Trophy Only)
Pro Master-> $45.00--- ($24.00 Trophy Only)
Advanced-> $35.00--- ($20.00 Trophy Only)
Advanced Women-> $35.00--- ($20.00 Trophy Only)
Advanced Master-> $35.00---($20.00 Trophy Only)


There are a few courses that are charging a course use fee. We will make sure we add that to the flyer and it will be posted here. The most expensive is $3.00 per player and the others are $1.00 per player. Those will be additional fees added to the standard entry fee.
Here are the courses with additional fees.
$3.00 UW Parkside, Kenosha, WI
$1.00 Madison Meadow Park, Lombard, IL
$1.00 Lippold Park, Crystal Lake, IL
$1.00 Anna Page Park, Rockford, IL

Non PDGA Members add $5.00
Juniors are exempt from the $5.00 Non PDGA Member Fee

Join the PDGA-> http://www.pdga.com/join/index.php (http://www.pdga.com/join/index.php)

Any player with any skill level is welcome. Come hang out with people who love disc golf. All 7 tournaments are run according to PDGA rules. Check out the rules-> http://www.pdga.com/rules/index.php (http://www.pdga.com/rules/index.php)
On the lower day we always have a first time players rules discussion before the tournaments starts.

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FORMAT

Registration closes at 9:30AM
Player Meeting @ 9:45AM
Please be prompt. We will get started ASAP after the player meeting.
The lunch break will end 1 hour from the last card being turned in. Don't be late. We will get started on time.
Final 4 Safari holes for top 4 players in OPEN
We do this to showcase top players in this area.
The awards ceremony will start a few minutes after the Open Final 4 Safari is completed.
100% payout to all divisions.
We usually throw in 2nd round CTP's if the event has average to above average attendance.
We know many of you travel & have a life outside of disc golf. We will do our best to get you on the road as early as possible.

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TROPHY ONLY

Trophy-only?  The PDGA is allowing TDs to charge 50% entry fee to players who want to opt out of the purse or prizes offered to their division.  If you want to do that, you can.


IOS #6 -- 5th DISContinuum Blast!
At the 5th DISContinuum Blast!, and the 5th DISContinuum Blast! only, we are experimenting with a new concept: very low entry fees and a CTP based payout in the amateur divisions.  All other tournaments will have our normal fat payouts for amateurs.
With this format you get to compete for a very low entry fee. You compete for competition, trophies, pdga rating, pdga points, and CTP's.

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HISTORY OF THE IOS

The series started in 2003 as a single event. The event was held at Fairfield Park in Round Lake on August 10, 2003. 95 players attended this one day event. http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...urnID=3641#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3641#Open)
Approximately 15 players had to be turned away. We then realized that PDGA events are in high demand in this area.

In 2004 the Illinois Open Series was established. Along with the Fairfield event, Shady Oaks Park in Streamwood and Lippold Park in Crystal Lake were added. Everyone involved with running the series loves to play disc golf. All 3 events were split day so everyone that volunteered could play.

Shady Oaks Park, Streamwood, IL
(78 Players)
June 26, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...ID=4400#Pro%202 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4400#Pro%202)
June 27, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...urnID=4555#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4555#Open)

Lippold Park, Crystal Lake, IL
(80 Players)
July 24, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...ID=4210#Pro%202 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4210#Pro%202)
July 25, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...urnID=4556#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4556#Open)

Fairfield Park, Round Lake, IL
(97 Players)
August 28, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...ID=4401#Pro%202 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4401#Pro%202)
August 29, 2004-> http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...urnID=4557#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4557#Open)


2004 IOS Champions
Pro2-> Brian Karnov
Adv Master-> Adrian Gutierrez Sr.
Int Women-> Diana Brakel
Intermediate-> Eric Doty
Recreational-> Jon Brakel
Junior-> Adrian Gutierrez Jr.
Open-> Kris Hutter
Pro Master-> Roy Carey
Pro Women-> Barrett White
Advanced-> Justin Schandelmeire
Adv Women-> Jeannine Rice

You can find complete 2004 results in this thread. There is a word document attached to the 9th post on that page.
http://discontinuum.org/forums/index.php?s...opic=944&st=320 (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=944&st=320)


Above you can see the expansion of the series. Kenosha, Lombard, Rockford, and Waukegan have been added to the series in 2005. Yes, UW Parkside in Kenosha, WI is part of the Illinois Open Series. One thing we didn't want to change was the series name. Keeping with the tradition of the DISContinuum Blast!, we once again changed the format and are experimenting with a new concept of TROPHY ONLY. There will be more info coming soon. We'll see what 2005 has in store. We are TD's and volunteers that play disc golf. We play our own events. We too want well run events and great payouts. We will do our best to accomodate all ages and all divisions. We are strong supporters and promoters of disc golf & the PDGA. We hope to see you in 2005.

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SERIES POINTS

This series is set up for fun and competition. Overall champions win a trophy and bragging rights. If you play any day of the 2005 Illinois Open Series you are automatically entered into the series. It costs no extra fee to enter the series. There will be no deductions from tournament payouts to pay for overall series champion trophies. See trophy payouts below.

Points only count in the division in which they are earned.  For example, if Bruce plays Advanced at the first event and receives 12 points then plays advanced masters at the next event and earns 12 points, he does not have a total of 24 points. He would have 12 points in advanced and 12 points in advanced masters.

Participants will be awarded one point for each tournament entered and one point for each player they beat in their division.

A player who DNFs (Does Not Finish), will receive 0 (zero) points for that tournament.

Overall points will be calculated from best 5 of 7 events.

Any ties for first place at the end of the series will result in a sudden death playoff at the Fairfield Fairwell. A player who is tied for first but is not present automatically loses the playoff.


OVERALL SERIES TROPHIES
In 2005, some of the larger divisions will have overall series champion trophies for places 1st thru 3rd. These are noted below.
Junior (1)
Recreational (3)
Recreational Women (2)
Intermediate (3)
Intermediate Women (1)
Advanced (3)
Advanced Women (1)
Advanced Masters (1)
Open (1)
Pro Women (1)
Pro Masters (1)

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SERIES ACE POOL

Ace Pool is $2.00 to enter on the first day of the series.

Ace Pool is open all day.

Multiple aces are split.

All ace pools that are not hit will rollover to the next day or event.

If the ace pool is rolled over to the next day or event, the ace entry fee will increase by $1.00. The max ace entry fee is $3.00.

If an ace is hit, the entry fee will restart at $2.00. This will start the next day or event.

We may possible cap the ace as it grows during the year.


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BRASS CASH

Brass Cash is brass funny money.

Brass Cash is handed out at events the include a player pack.

Brass Cash is used to payout all amateur division winnings.

Brass cash is used to purchase any items from the merchandise table.

Brass Cash may be spent that day or saved to spend at any other Illinois Open Series event.

If there is merchandise that you want but is not on the table, talk to Bruce Brakel and he will try to accommodate your disc golf addiction.

Below is a picture of a $5.00 & $1.00 brass cash coin.

Pardon my laziness for not wanting to go back and look things up (if they were posted), but for the Blast!, Trophy Only means no brass cash? Or does this mean players can play/pay for a trophy only?

Again, sorry for my ignorance/laziness.

Thou shalt only play for trophies, lest ye enter the Open division where thou shalt be allowed to play for thine companions' entry fees - but only if ye desire to turn Pro should ye finish 'in the cash'.

what is the reasoning behind the trophy only?  I'm lazy like Serg.

i cant answer for the reason, but i can say that the option should draw more golfers than otherwise...

Quotewhat is the reasoning behind the trophy only?  I'm lazy like Serg.

Bruce Brakel (AKA Merch Man 5000)  can't make it to the Blast.  No merch= No prizes.  See how important Bruce is?  :lol:   I suppose we could go get some stuff at Target or Wal-Mart and give it away.  Maybe bags of candy and loaves of bread in lieu of discs.  Or maybe some socks and underwear.  I could always use some extra.

I really want to test the market for Trophy only in this area. If people don't like it, we won't run it again. We figured we would give it a try. With 7 events, this might be a chance to save a few bucks for those that attend many events.

The entry fee will be around $10.00 for all Ams. They will play for trophies, pdga points, & pdga rating. There will also be divisional ctps. The more players=more ctp's.  

just a comment

make sure on the flyers

that in big letters that  for the early T's

pro - sat

am - sun


this is opposite the norm  

(as far as i am concerned - which may not mean much )

QuoteBruce Brakel (AKA Merch Man 5000) can't make it to the Blast. No merch= No prizes. See how important Bruce is? laugh.gif I suppose we could go get some stuff at Target or Wal-Mart and give it away. Maybe bags of candy and loaves of bread in lieu of discs. Or maybe some socks and underwear. I could always use some extra.

I could use some of those trail mix granola bars too.

www.brasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) is the official website for the 2005 IOSeven. I will be taking down the 2004 information starting this weekend and putting up the 2005 information as it becomes available.

Just a note about the trophy only options for 2005. Besides the trophy-only Blast we are also offering the new PDGA trophy-only option at the other 6 IOS events this year. Details and pricing will be on the website shortly but the concept is that you pay 1/2 the entry fee and are just playing for a possible trophy, points, rating, CTPs but no payout based on how well you finish. We don't know how many people are going to want to take advantage of this option, but we are glad to offer it as another option in 2005.

Quote

QuoteBruce Brakel (AKA Merch Man 5000) can't make it to the Blast. No merch= No prizes. See how important Bruce is? laugh.gif I suppose we could go get some stuff at Target or Wal-Mart and give it away. Maybe bags of candy and loaves of bread in lieu of discs. Or maybe some socks and underwear. I could always use some extra.

I could use some of those trail mix granola bars too.

or maybe we could give out sunglasses and value them at oohhh, say about $200.  throw in some T shirts valued at $30 and now we are really starting to rake in some money!!

I've continued to edit & revise the first post of this thread. I will post again when entry fees are posted.

QuoteI've continued to edit & revise the first post of this thread. I will post again when entry fees are posted.

Nice job Brett! I will add that text to the website this weekend.

no kidding!  cant wait till april....

Hey Brett.  I know it's early, but any ideas on the tee and basket positions for IOS #1?  Want to get a head start on practicing....that is if it ever stops snowing!  I can play in the cold.  Don't like playing in snow, though.

Parkside's basket positions won't be decided until a month or so before the event.

QuoteParkside's basket positions won't be decided until a month or so before the event.

And then, who knows by whom!

Take some advice from top pros that has worked for me: practice disc golf, not courses.

www.brasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated.

sweet!  what a great name for a site.

...never mind, I just found the answer to my question...  ;)  

I added some more info to the first post.

http://discontinuum.org/forums/index.php?s...opic=1627&st=0# (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1627&st=0#)

The IOS 7 are now all on the PDGA.com tour schedule.  

QuoteThe IOS 7 are now all on the PDGA.com tour schedule.

Very cool. Thanks Bruce!

Do I need to be a member to play in any of your tournments??? For instance the tournaments coming up in the summer and the one in Rockford on the 12th.

QuoteDo I need to be a member to play in any of your tournments??? For instance the tournaments coming up in the summer and the one in Rockford on the 12th.

You do not have to be a pdga member.  Non-members have to pay $5 more.  If you are going to play te series you might as well join and get the magazine and get rated rounds.  

You do not have to be a discontinuum member either.  Discontinuum members will have the opportunity to play for tags.  

i think the pdga membership is worth the $$$$$$$$$

u get 4 cool magazines

and a membership card

ratings are a plus


pdga.com  is  great site

Quotei think the pdga membership is worth the $$$$$$$$$

u get 4 cool magazines

and a membership card

ratings are a plus


pdga.com  is  great site

Don't forget the PDGA logo disc, a mini disc with your PDGA number on it, a rules book and a few stickers.

Definitiely worth the $$.

I thought there were going to be 6 events.....when did the 7th slip in?

QuoteI thought there were going to be 6 events.....when did the 7th slip in?

When you weren't looking, I guess!

Shhhhhh!  Diana still thinks it is only four!   :lol:  

I am posting just to avoid 3 consecutive brakel posts on 1 thread.  thats not something that anybody wants to see.

QuoteI am posting just to avoid 3 consecutive brakel posts on 1 thread.  thats not something that anybody wants to see.

You failed. There were 3 consecutive Brakel posts!

Ha, I meant to say more than 3!

QuoteShhhhhh!  Diana still thinks it is only four!   :lol:

Isn't that going to get you into trouble or I we just going to slide this one in under her nose?

anybody got posters made yet for the first tourney in april?

Quoteanybody got posters made yet for the first tourney in april?

Not yet, we'll get them out soon.

excellent!  i want to start posting up around here and other local courses when they get done.

on the forest city frenzy end things are looking good.  we're working on getting two baskets for prizes and/or raffle, 100 specially stamped discs added to part of the players package, securing extra land for and additional six alternates per course on primo land which includes several creek shots plus great tree placement, and t-shirts.  the design for the discs, shirt, and poster are looking bad as hell - in my opinion it may be the coolest shirt design i've seen for a disc golf tourney.  it all should be solidified within a few short weeks...

I am drooling at this players' package and the fact that Rockford will have a sanctioned event.  Finally, I can shut the people from Southern Illlinois up about courses.

Quote...never mind, I just found the answer to my question...  ;)

although I found it in Brett's post in this thread, not on www.brasscash.com. It's about which group adv masters is in. That's not on the brasscash site yet, so Jon could you include it (if it's accurate) so I don't get confused again?  ;)

that players package for rockfrod may not be as fat as it could be.  i still haven't gotten approval for the funds i requested from the convention and visitors bureo.  they were supposed to pay for a hundred stamped discs and a basket but they are in a spending freeze while thye go ever their budget.  my advice to anyone that wants to get something out of the cvb is that you show them that hotel rooms can be filled.  bottom line, they get their budget from grants and the hotel tax so if it ain't shacking people its not as much a priority as other things, which is understandable, but sucks in my situation.  

We'll do the same good player packs that we do at all our tournaments.  For your $10 B-tier player pack you get $15 brass cash and can get what you want from the merch table immediately, or save it until the end of the day when you might have more.  The brass cash is good all year, so if you want to save for a Skillshot or a Pro Sport, go for it.  

i actually got approval from the CVB on thursday for some big-time sponsorship!  it took about six hours and three visits all together of sitting with them and stating my case but it got done and they are willing to throw down for the event!   but it cant stop, wont stop, on getting more sponsors for the event.  i got a team of people now helping to see through till the end - we wil be getting sponsors from community owned businesses for CTP's, pro purse funds, or whatever they can contribute.   everybody will go home with something...

another little something - tomarrow we have a meeting with the park district on getting concrete tee pads for the new course and to see what they need/ can give for the forest city frenzy.  other than paying an event fee and securing the park, my main focus will be those pads.  if we get the approval i will make it the clubs primary goal to finish that course by july.

sounds excellent greg!

sweet. I updated the first post on this thead. Jon is working on fliers. They should be done soon.

Preregistration for IOS #1 - UW Parkside is now open!

All preregistrations include a $3 course use fee levied by Parkside and a $3 online handling charge. Non PDGA members (except for Juniors) are also subject to a $5 fee.

Current PDGA members:
http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/UWP-Reg-PDGA.html (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/UWP-Reg-PDGA.html)

Non PDGA members or PDGA members whose membership has lapsed:
http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/UWP-Reg-nonPDGA.html (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/UWP-Reg-nonPDGA.html)

Those wishing to preregister in person may do so. Simply take whichever amount you'd pay online and subtract $3. Cash and/or checks payable to Discontinuum are acceptable forms of in person payment.

parkside baby!  just 2 more months!  its been a long frickin winter yo.

QuotePreregistration for IOS #1 - UW Parkside is now open!

All preregistrations include a $3 course use fee levied by Parkside and a $3 online handling charge. Non PDGA members (except for Juniors) are also subject to a $5 fee.

Current PDGA members:
http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS05-1/UWP-Reg-PDGA.html (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS05-1/UWP-Reg-PDGA.html)

Non PDGA members or PDGA members whose membership has lapsed:
http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS05-1/UWP-Reg-nonPDGA.html (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS05-1/UWP-Reg-nonPDGA.html)

Those wishing to preregister in person may do so. Simply take whichever amount you'd pay online and subtract $3. Cash and/or checks payable to Discontinuum are acceptable forms of in person payment.

Nice looking page, but is Masters and Advanced Masters not being offered?  :unsure:  

All prices are the same for each. Maybe you need to put men, women, & masters under that one mirth.

You might also want to include the dates. There are no dates other than the deadlines.

Looks like it's time to renew my PDGA membership. I'm glad you guys added UWP into the schedule this year. Now I can start my season with two tournaments at home.

I turned in a pile of vacation requests so I can help and participate in the IOS 2005 :) My ACM usually grants (or denies) them within a couple of weeks. Usually I get the days off I want but I sometimes have to work all my weekly hours around that :(  . I know I'm off for the first 2-I turned those in back in January  B)  

I know you guys are discussing the Parkside event at this weeks meeting, but when you have an idea of where you want pin placements, let me know. I know the guys that have access to moving the baskets.  8)

QuoteI know you guys are discussing the Parkside event at this weeks meeting, but when you have an idea of where you want pin placements, let me know. I know the guys that have access to moving the baskets.  8)

Sergio,
    I will e-mail you a list of basket placements that we'd like to use. I'm going to take a day off of work to go play the course and review my already set placments. If possible, it'd be nice to get those baskets in place by April 1st so players have a few weeks to practice.

The basket placements will be in the same place for both days both rounds. We are going to have the Lower day play some, not all, long tees the 2nd round. They will play the short tees the first round.

I also have to design the Pro final 4 safari. I have a pretty good idea of the first 3 holes and possibly the 4th.

Thanks

Guys, we need to go through Tamie & the UWP Intramural department vs going straight to the people with the keys. That is what *she* wants.

In mid March I'm going to arrange a meeting with her to walk the course and identify pin placements for the tournament. Anyone interested is welcome to come, however I think its good for us to decide what config we want before that meeting.

QuoteIn mid March I'm going to arrange a meeting with her to walk the course and identify pin placements for the tournament. Anyone interested is welcome to come, however I think its good for us to decide what config we want before that meeting.

I will have that done next Friday.

oh come on move the pins during the break
like they do in eau claire

challenge the players  

u could change the pins after round 1 on sat
then change them back after round 2 on sun

thus both groups playing the same course

I'm on the same committee as Tamie, as is Shawn and Paul. I will let her know that I'll (we'll) be moving the baskets. Trust me, we'll be fine with moving them.

Brett: I've always thought of Safari holes on the course. I'm sure Shawn could even give you a few good ideas. Hopefully the prairie isn't too grown by then so they won't be any problems looking for discs (if your safari hole takes you across it)

Alright, as long as Tamie's fine with it.... I'll still set up the meeting in March just so she's on the same page

There will be no serious prairie growth by mid to late April.  It will be like a winter tournament except a little warmer and quite a bit soggier.  It will be in the upper 30's at morning tee off and warm up into the low 60's by mid-afternoon.  There will be a shower on Sunday morning.  

Bruce sees all and knows all.  Bruce has spoken.

No seriously, we go to an all-day outdoor non-disc golf event every year on that weekend so I know what to expect from the weather man.  

QuoteI turned in a pile of vacation requests so I can help and participate in the IOS 2005 :) My ACM usually grants (or denies) them within a couple of weeks. Usually I get the days off I want but I sometimes have to work all my weekly hours around that :(  . I know I'm off for the first 2-I turned those in back in January  B)

I'm off for all the IOS 2005 series :) See you there!

Here is another design.

Looks pretty good.... this is a flyer, right?

IOS #2 has no date.

I't is for a flyer or disc whatever it can be used for...Logo.

add the dates under the locations

So, Advanced Masters play on Saturday and Masters play on Sunday right? I'm talking about IOS 1 & 2 here.

QuoteSo, Advanced Masters play on Saturday and Masters play on Sunday right? I'm talking about IOS 1 & 2 here.

Am Masters play on the same day as advanced.  All IOS tournaments

All Advanced divisions play on the same day as all Pro divisions. That is the day that we are calling Adv & Pro. The other day is for all Intermediate and below divisions.

QuoteSo, Advanced Masters play on Saturday and Masters play on Sunday right? I'm talking about IOS 1 & 2 here.

Ahh...now I'm re-reading that post for the first time. We are only offering PDGA divisions. The PDGA eliminated Intermediate Masters a couple of years ago. We are offering the only two flavors of PDGA Masters left: Advanced Masters and Pro Masters. They both play on the Pro/Adv day which for the first two IOS tournaments is on Saturday.

The informational flyer for the series is done. Brett, warm-up the helicopter and prepare the propaganda aerial drop mission!

Please post this at a course near you!

The IOS preregistration pages have moved to a new location on the Club's website. The new permanent location is:
http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005 (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005)

From there you can go to brasscash.com, view the preregistered field for events, and preregister for any of the 7 events.
As of now, only Parkside preregistration is open, however the other ones will be coming soon.

current preregistered field link ain't working, just to let u know.  cuz knowing is half the battle.

Thats interesting. Its working for me.

is it not working for anybody else?

Care to divulge where this link is located?

found your broken link on index2 & fixed it.

link still not working for me.

Quotelink still not working for me.

What link is it? The one on the new page that Mirth made is working for me.

QuoteThe informational poster for the series is done. Brett, warm-up the helicopter and prepare the propaganda aerial drop mission!

Please post this at a course near you!

Brett,

Can you add the flyer to your #1 post?

neither the one on brasscash.com or the one on the index work for me.

Bruce, what is going on with the stamp for the IOS? What design is going to be used? Have you gotten any others?  

links not working for me either.

thanks brian.

link fixed!   mirth is the man.

Quoteneither the one on brasscash.com or the one on the index work for me.

The one on brasscash.com wasn't going to work until I got home and changed it to match Mirth's change. It is now updated.

kevin lenth preregistered tonight for #1

Preregistration pages for Lombard & Crystal Lake are online now. Look for Rockford to be coming in the next day or so.

QuoteAlright, as long as Tamie's fine with it.... I'll still set up the meeting in March just so she's on the same page

Spoke to Tamie today. She's fine with moving the baskets when you guys are ready (providing none of the locks are frozen). We/I just need to send her an email letting her know that they've been moved.

As for some of the placements: We'll definitely need to consider some of the "soggy" placements. There are a few holes that we don't want to move to certain placements because of the mud that can happen around them.

Brett: Let me know when you think you'll be up here. Maybe I can take some time off of work and meet you out there.

QuoteBrett: Let me know when you think you'll be up here. Maybe I can take some time off of work and meet you out there.

Dan & I are going to be out there Friday. We are going to play a few rounds. I've already sat down & listed where i'd like the baskets but will finalize my decisions on Friday. If you can post a list of pin positions that are in muddy areas so I can adjust if needed.

mirth - thanks for setting up the pre-registration!

yer welcome. I'm waiting on your host hotel info to put on the prereg pages for ios #4 before publishing.

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Dan & I are going to be out there Friday. We are going to play a few rounds. I've already sat down & listed where i'd like the baskets but will finalize my decisions on Friday. If you can post a list of pin positions that are in muddy areas so I can adjust if needed.

Let me know when you are planning on comming up this Friday with Dan.  We have a half day in Kenosha and I can be out playing by noon.    

I might be able to get out there also...I have an event on campus but would be done about 2:00. I really can't leave before that.

(Boss is out of town until Monday... ;) )

Rockford prereg pages are now online, as well as host hotel info for the Forest City Frenzy.

Only 40 hotel rooms are available at the special rate that weekend. Book 'em while they're still there! :)

Thanks much for getting that up there Mirth!

The Ramada Inn in South Beloit has graciously stepped up to the challenge of housing disc golfers who want to stay overnight for the tournament. The hotel is located just a short 20 minute country drive from the course, barely any time at all!

This is key: When you book a room you must mention the Forest City Frenzy or Rockford Disc Golf to get the special rate of 79 bucks, otherwise you will likely be paying through the nose that weekend. Forty rooms have been reserved, that should be plenty for everyone. However, if they fill and people want to stay in the Rockford area it will cost upwards of $120 to get a hotel room.

The hotel's contact information -

Ramada Inn
200 Dearborn Ave
South Beloit, IL 61080
815-389-3481 phone
815-389-1812 fax

HOTEL OVERVIEW

Huge indoor Fun Dome with heated pool, whirlpool, ping-pong, billiards, air hockey, and video games
Wonderful for sports teams, family gatherings, and retreats
Sun deck off pool area
Exercise facility
Coin operated guest laundry & valet dry cleaning
Courtesy van to local destinations
Gift shop open 3AM - 8PM
CATTAILS Bar & Grill open for breakfast, lunch, and dinner with walk-up window accessible to Fun Dome
Room amenities include coffee maker, iron/board, data ports, work desk, cable TV, Pay-per-View movies, clock radio and room service
Sofa bed sleepers in 95% of rooms
Refrigerators/microwaves and rollaway available for small fee
10,000 Sq feet of banquet space with six breakout rooms and executive boardroom

Mike Clark, being the uber stud that he is, preregistered for the first 4 ios stops today.

Updated the series info page on the club site with links to the prereg field pages for IOS 2 - 4.

We'll be out at Parkside around 10:15.  

Cool, I'll give you a call when you get home.

David Barish preregistered for ios #1 today

Jon,

Glad to see that you moved up with me to intermediate.  I look forward to the competition.

Ray Hill is the latest preregistration for IOS #1, playing recreational.

Brett,

Any idea when the pin positions will be locked in for IOS#1?  Also, will Am's play one round from the long tees and one from the short tees?  If not, what will the tee format be?

is there a pre-reg form or just paypal for these events?    ... sorry I don't feel like browzing through the post to find out.

you can prereg via mail or in person by paying your registration fee plus PDGA nonmember fee (if applicable), and course use fee in cash, check, or money order (payable to discontinuum).

Some folks like to pay via credit card, which is the main reason paypal is there.

If you want to preregister via mail you can mail your info & payment to Brett's address as listed on the online prereg pages.

QuoteBrett,

Any idea when the pin positions will be locked in for IOS#1?  Also, will Am's play one round from the long tees and one from the short tees?  If not, what will the tee format be?

i'm not a decision maker, but from what i understand the Ams will be playing shorts in 1 round and in the 2nd they will play about half shorts and half longs.

what kind of course is it?

Parkside is a top notch course without a doubt.  Its got length on some open holes and its got some extremely tight fairways.  pars are very good out there from the longs.

i just went the the SE Wisconsin webpage where they have pictures of all the holes, that course looks intense!  what's the average score there?

Quotei just went the the SE Wisconsin webpage where they have pictures of all the holes, that course looks intense!  what's the average score there?

you can check last year's Pro & Adv scores from the Prairie Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4122) to give you an idea of the toughest layout. It was really windy in 2003 so the scores were somewhat higher.

Ints played short tees both rounds. Adv Masters played long 1st, short 2nd.

Thats good to know.  It seems that there is about a 10 stroke difference in SSA depending on which tees are played.  The shorts seem comprable to Bevier and the longs, well, long.

so are most decent scores around even, give or take a few strokes?

It is a very tough course from the long tees with the baskets in the long positions. If you check the scores from the last Prairie Open only two players shot under par on Saturday. Barry Schultz -7,  and Arron Wield -5. So I'd say with the course in that layout par would be good for anyone.  I believe par to be about a 990 rated round.  

I'll have a list of basket placements being played for Saturday & Sunday posted this weekend if the site is still working.

Saturday players will be playing long tees both rounds.

Sunday players will be playing the shorts the first round then 9short/9long the 2nd round.


Final 4 Open Safari Holes
#1
Temp Tee from sidewalk near light pole to #1 basket
Approx 750ft.

#2
#2 long tee to #3 basket
Approx 650ft

#3
Regular hole #4
429ft

#4
Temp tee near #4's basket to #1 basket.
Approx 350ft

Thanks Brett.  Could you also let us know which long baskets the ams will play on Sunday?

I don't think that the setup is going to be in all the hardest pin positions, so it won't be QUITE as hard as in the Prairie Open the past 2 years.

Cool.  Just wanted to know which holes we will be playing from the long tees, so I can try them out.

Brett, if you are going to do a mix of tees on Sunday, you need to spell it out on the scorecard.  I think we should just put the Sunday players on shorts and keep it simple, but if you and Jon think there is a good reason for making this complicated, go for it.

QuoteBrett, if you are going to do a mix of tees on Sunday, you need to spell it out on the scorecard. I think we should just put the Sunday players on shorts and keep it simple, but if you and Jon think there is a good reason for making this complicated, go for it.

I know that when I played the Prairie Open last year as an Int.  I was pissed that we played the shorts all day.  Isn't the point of INT. to get them to better themselves and come close to Advanced?  When not have them play at least some off the holes from the longs?  This way they can tests themselves out on some of the harder holes.  I would have a round from the shorts and a round from the longs.  However, some people will complain of the length (which I would like).  I would just keep it simple and play either front 9 long OR alternate odds short evens long.    

It will be on the score card. Read your score card.

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QuoteBrett, if you are going to do a mix of tees on Sunday, you need to spell it out on the scorecard. I think we should just put the Sunday players on shorts and keep it simple, but if you and Jon think there is a good reason for making this complicated, go for it.

I know that when I played the Prairie Open last year as an Int.  I was pissed that we played the shorts all day.  Isn't the point of INT. to get them to better themselves and come close to Advanced?  When not have them play at least some off the holes from the longs?  This way they can tests themselves out on some of the harder holes.  I would have a round from the shorts and a round from the longs.  However, some people will complain of the length (which I would like).  I would just keep it simple and play either front 9 long OR alternate odds short evens long.

Brain,
    I totally understand what you are saying. At all of the events last year all Lower day players played the same tees as the Adv/Pro day. This will be the same at all the courses except Parkside. We've had good turnout of Rec/Jr/Women players as well as intermediate. To keep the course flowing well I don't think it would be wise to play the all longs. I'll post the layout this weekend.

QuoteThanks Brett.  Could you also let us know which long baskets the ams will play on Sunday?

Yes, I will be posting where the baskets will be placed. This will be subject to change up until probably April 1st. If possible i'd like to get the course in tournament configuration by then. The baskets will not be moved Saturday or Sunday.

As long as it is not too muddy the baskets can be moved to where you want them by the 1rst of April.  If it is muddy I will not move them till the weekend before your event..  most of the holes are in locations right now that can take the abuse.  #8 may be under construction during this time.... we will know more after are meeting tomorrow if it is a go.  We might wait till after this event..   Also #6 and 7 are going to be moved to have a better flow.  The distances will not change as Parkside has a ton of scorecards made and they don't want to have to reprint them.  We may add a few more pin locations for these holes as well.

QuoteAs long as it is not too muddy the baskets can be moved to where you want them by the 1rst of April.  If it is muddy I will not move them till the weekend before your event...

This is one of my concerns. Last April we didn't have hardly any rain for the entire month. That's not likely to happen again this year.

If we place the baskets into their tournament positions April 1st, won't it be likely that we will have a normal April (lots of rain) and by the time the tournament comes those locations will be a bit worn and muddy?

IOS Flyer has been printed and will be posted out at Parkside today.

QuoteIOS Flyer has been printed and will be posted out at Parkside today.

Thank you very much Serg! We really appreciate the support!

Thanks Sergio!

serg - can you shoot me a copy via e-mail or send one?

Quoteserg - can you shoot me a copy via e-mail or send one?

Here is a link to the message that has the series flyer.

http://discontinuum.org/forums/index.php?s...indpost&p=21317 (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1627&view=findpost&p=21317)

looks nice, i'll put a couple up in rockford and neighboring courses.  only complaint is that it doesnt tell what tier each individual tourney is.  otherwise its good to go!

That is probably o.k. without tiers.  It does indicate that all events are PDGA sanctioned.  People who care about tier know how to check with www.pdga.com.  

Also, players have an expectation that C-tiers will have crappy payouts whereas our C -tier will have better payouts because there is no player pack and we are sending less money to the PDGA at both ends of the process.  

Quote#8 may be under construction during this time.... we will know more after are meeting tomorrow if it is a go.  We might wait till after this event..   Also #6 and 7 are going to be moved to have a better flow.  The distances will not change as Parkside has a ton of scorecards made and they don't want to have to reprint them.  We may add a few more pin locations for these holes as well.

FYI

The boulder hole will be renovated the week after the IOS.  The praire burn may take place in fall...  I guess if you burn in spring it promotes grass's and if you burn in fall it promotes flowers...  Our plan was to move #6 and 7 after the burn, we may just have to mow the praire to move the fairways.

Did anything else get approved for change out at the Darkside?

Thought I'd get in a quick trophy count update before the server goes down again:

75 Micro-basket mini trophies
14 Quarter toss basket trophies

We are somewhere between done and 20 short of done depending on how well attended the series is and what we do for overall trophies.

For overall trophies do we want quarter toss baskets or custom dyed discs?  Any preferences?  They cost about the same.

hey now, this new server's been rock steady since I set it up. the next time I forsee the site going down is in a week or so when I set up the new new server.

QuoteFor overall trophies do we want quarter toss baskets or custom dyed discs?  Any preferences?  They cost about the same.

Do you have a pic of the quarter toss basket?

My initial response would be the baskets.

Brett, when do you think you'll put up the placements for the IOS #1? I know you emailed me the placements, but I thought we might be able to discuss some of the placements as a group...or is this not up for discussion? If need be, I could PM you my thoughts.

QuoteBrett, when do you think you'll put up the placements for the IOS #1? I know you emailed me the placements, but I thought we might be able to discuss some of the placements as a group...or is this not up for discussion? If need be, I could PM you my thoughts.

I'll work on a post in a few minutes. I forgot all about it. There are so many configurations that it would be impossible to decide by a group. I tried my best to keep a balanced as well as keeping the lower division players in mind as well. I'm always open to suggestions but don't take offense if i dont' use them.

These are subject to change.

ADV/PRO (Saturday)
All Long Tees Both Rounds except #8
#1 A 325ft.
#2 B 375ft.
#3 B 285ft.
#4 B 429ft.
#5 B 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB)
#6 A 334ft.
#7 A 400ft.
#8 A 438ft. *Middle Tee both Rounds*
#9 A 269ft.
#10 B 266ft.
#11 A 215ft.
#12 A 285ft.
#13 B 308ft.
#14 A 217ft.
#15 A 228ft.
#16 A 277ft. (On & over sidwalk OB)
#17 A 311ft.
#18 A 340ft.
5,690ft.

Lower Divisions (Sunday)
Round 1-------------- Round 2
Short Tees------------Mix of short/long tees
#1 A 255ft.-----------Short 255ft.
#2 B 324ft.-----------Short 324ft.
#3 B 170ft.-----------Long 285ft.
#4 B 370ft.-----------Short 37oft.
#5 B 240ft.-----------Long 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB both rounds)
#6 A 213ft.-----------Long 344ft.
#7 A 250ft.-----------Long 400ft.
#8 A 302ft.-----------Middle 438ft.
#9 A 218ft.-----------Long 269ft.
#10 B 230ft.----------Short 230ft.
#11 A 182ft.----------Short 182ft.
#12 A 199ft.----------Short 199ft.
#13 B 256ft.----------Short 256ft.
#14 A 165ft.----------Short 165ft.
#15 A 193ft.----------Long 228ft.
#16 A 223ft.----------Long 277ft. (On & over sidwalk OB both rounds)
#17 A 239ft.----------Long 311ft
#18 A 278ft.----------Short 278ft.
4,287ft.----------------5,169ft.

On or over streets OB. Parking lot OB.
Special OB marked in ()

Brett,

For the Am's does the first distance represent the first round tees and the second distance rep. the second round tees?  i. e. the first round we play on the first tee, the basket is in the A position at the am tee both times, but on the third tee we play basket B from the am tee for the first round and in the second round from the pro tee?  BTW, I thought that the difference on the third tee between the am and the pro tees was only 5 feet.  It looks like you got about 115 feet difference.  Where am I going wrong?  Is there another tee position that I'm missing that is on the other side of the woods?

QuoteBrett,

For the Am's does the first distance represent the first round tees and the second distance rep. the second round tees?  i. e. the first round we play on the first tee, the basket is in the A position at the am tee both times, but on the third tee we play basket B from the am tee for the first round and in the second round from the pro tee?  BTW, I thought that the difference on the third tee between the am and the pro tees was only 5 feet.  It looks like you got about 115 feet difference.  Where am I going wrong?  Is there another tee position that I'm missing that is on the other side of the woods?

Yes, The first round distance is on the left & the 2nd round is on the right. It didn't quite come out like I wanted.

Hole#

Basket
A or B

First Round Distance

Second Round Short or Long Tee
Distance


Here is where I got all the distances from.
http://www.sewisconsindiscgolf.org/courses...ide/uwp01p.html (http://www.sewisconsindiscgolf.org/courses/parkside/uwp01p.html)
Hole #3 has a tee on the other side of the valley that is short. Check out the course page.

Bruce,
    Add ROPE to your list of things to bring to Parkside. Don't forget the trophies too :D .

QuoteBruce,
    Add ROPE to your list of things to bring to Parkside. Don't forget the trophies too :D .

And don't forget the trophies Bruce!  8)  

I noticed that you've moved #4 to the B location, which is a good idea, I think.

My Recommendations:
Not to say that I expect to throw a course record, but it seems that most of the course is set up in an original, "easier" format. The holes that can be played longer (#1, #11, #15, #16) are set at original locations. The only "long" holes that are being played are #2 and #4.

I know having #11, #15 or #16 in longer placements can create bottlenecks, but I think it will also throw a good challenge into the mix. My suggestion would be to move #16 back into the woods. If it's straight, then you have #14 straight ahead, #15 straight ahead and #16 straight ahead. Moving #16 back would be easier for most people than would #15 back, in my opinion.

These are just my opinions, and don't worry, I won't take any offense to criticisms or not using my suggestions...I just won't post here anymore  :P  

i'd agree that #16 back in the woods is a good challenging hole.  #15 in the long position actually seems kind of silly.  is #11 the one that has the position which goes straight and then takes a 45 degree angle up a little path to the pin?  cuz i think that hole is somewhat of a luck shot on the drive which makes it a silly hole too.  plus that can really back things way up.  the course is a very good, very hard course as it is, i don't think it needs those ridiculous pin placements just to make the scores alot higher.

#11 is exactly the one you're thinking of. I don't really like that hole either. It's a challenging hole and a pain in the a$$.

I was just thinking of the placements to add some distance to the layout. I guess if the lower divisions are playing shorts/longs it adds some changes. The biggest reason for changing #16 would be to break up the 3 (actually 5 holes if you include #12 and #13) holes that are straight shots.

I sent an email to Terry Miller to see if he could include the IOS #1 on the event schedule at Wisconsin Disc Sports (http://www.widiscsports.com/schedule.shtml). I figure if all the events that are taking place in Wisconsin are posted here, why not the IOS #1. Can't hurt to ask.

good thinkin serg  

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QuoteBruce,
     Add ROPE to your list of things to bring to Parkside. Don't forget the trophies too :D .

And don't forget the trophies Bruce!  8)

Who are we stringing up?  

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QuoteBruce,
     Add ROPE to your list of things to bring to Parkside. Don't forget the trophies too :D .

And don't forget the trophies Bruce!  8)

Who are we stringing up?

You, if you forget the trophies!  :ph34r:  

I would say that you should have 10 in the left poisition and 11 in the right position.  This way you have a different shot, hyzer and anhyzer, without having the luck shot on 11.

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QuoteBruce,
     Add ROPE to your list of things to bring to Parkside. Don't forget the trophies too :D .

And don't forget the trophies Bruce!  8)

Who are we stringing up?

You, if you forget the trophies!  :ph34r:

Well, in that case I'll put the rope with the trophies right now!

yeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

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Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

Brett is thinking about one hole in p[articular but I don't know the course well enough to have an opinion.  

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Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

Brett is thinking about one hole in p[articular but I don't know the course well enough to have an opinion.

hmm...#7 or 8 are the only ones that come to mind, but we're not talking about Brett's mind... ;)  

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Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

Brett is thinking about one hole in p[articular but I don't know the course well enough to have an opinion.

hmm...#7 or 8 are the only ones that come to mind, but we're not talking about Brett's mind... ;)

I'm looking at some OB on hole #9.

Also, if you like certain holes explain to me why. I've been reading & want to be persuaded.  

sure, make some artificial OB on a hole that you can throw a thumber.

how about hole 6 or 7 for the fake OB.

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Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

Brett is thinking about one hole in p[articular but I don't know the course well enough to have an opinion.

hmm...#7 or 8 are the only ones that come to mind, but we're not talking about Brett's mind... ;)

I'm looking at some OB on hole #9.

Also, if you like certain holes explain to me why. I've been reading & want to be persuaded.

Naw, not #9. If you get off the fairway there you can be screwed anyway, why be penalized further?  <_<  

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Quoteyeah don't forget the yellow rope.  make sure its yellow cuz i love that color of rope.

does this mean 'artificial' OB for Parkside?

Brett is thinking about one hole in p[articular but I don't know the course well enough to have an opinion.

hmm...#7 or 8 are the only ones that come to mind, but we're not talking about Brett's mind... ;)

I'm looking at some OB on hole #9.

Also, if you like certain holes explain to me why. I've been reading & want to be persuaded.

Naw, not #9. If you get off the fairway there you can be screwed anyway, why be penalized further?  <_<

You won't be penalized for getting outta the fairway on the left. You will be penalized for going to the right with the rope.

that should be interesting considering it is a turnover shot from the deck....  if your shot is a thumber, your just stacking the hole in your favor..   sound fair... no, but your the TD.  so do it...

Is #9 the one with tall weeds and scattered schule on the left and  woods on the right with cut grass for a fairway after you get over some schuly woods in front of the elevated tee?  

Like Damon, if I remember the hole, I'm not sure why this one needs to be made harder.  

As much as I can remember of the course, I really cannot think of any hole there that needs yellow rope.  There are a couple of lame holes, but on a course like that a couple of lame holes are a respite.

yeah, thats #9 bruce.

Quotethat should be interesting considering it is a turnover shot from the deck....  if your shot is a thumber, your just stacking the hole in your favor..   sound fair... no, but your the TD.  so do it...

alright, i half-jokingly started the whole "brett throws a thumber on that hole so thats why he wants OB there" thing.  but i know him and i'm sure thats not really the reason he is thinking of putting OB there.  i highly doubt his objective in setting up a course for the tournament is to give himself a competitive advantage.  for most hole setups i think his reasoning was always based in trying to make the tournament fun for everybody.

that being said, i still don't really understand any reasoning behind roping off OB on #9.

I was actually thinking about making a huge island hole with a drop zone but i was hoping to keep that a secret until the morning of the event. It wouldn't play any different for any type of thrower. You either throw it in the circle or you don't. I'll put Bruce in charge of all rope for now on. :D. Bruce, make sure you bring all 3 spools of rope.  :lol: .

that sounds good.  bruce just said he can't think of any hole that needs rope.

I don't recall that hole having a fair route to the short grass for anyone other than a someone with a big thumber.  And it seems to me that when you don't make it to the short grass you are screwed.  But I have not played the course since probably the Safari round there in 2003 so what do I know.

Quotethat sounds good.  bruce just said he can't think of any hole that needs rope.

I guess you don't know Bruce too well. You give him some rope the morning of & he turns into another man :lol: . Call him the Incredible Rope.  :lol:  

i've always said that  More Rope = More Fun   :D  

QuoteI don't recall that hole having a fair route to the short grass for anyone other than a someone with a big thumber.  And it seems to me that when you don't make it to the short grass you are screwed.  But I have not played the course since probably the Safari round there in 2003 so what do I know.

thats true bruce.  its not an easy hole to get close to unless you have a big thumber.  the hyzer route has alot of danger and the anhyzer isn't easy either.  there is no straight route.

Alright, alright! I can't tell who is joking about what anymore!!! Except for Dan. Everything that Dan posts is either a joke or a lie. Other than that I don't nothin' from nothin' on this thread anymore. I think I'm the TD on the pro day...so make sure to let me know where the yellow rope is before teeoff.  :blink:  

well at least i'm consistent.  

I also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html (http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html)  

QuoteI also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html (http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html)

I'm still the guy three states away who is fuzzy on course routing.  Does #4 play along a road with a park-like lawn and maybe seven scattered trees and a patch of schule on the right?  

My thought on adding mandos is no mandos unless we have a spotter-official-volunteer on the hole all day, both rounds.  If someone reliable like Damon were volunteering for that role, then I'd defer to Jon and Brett on course design.  

My merch plan is to load up on Innova for IOS #1.  The timing looks good to have the new Discwing driver for IOS #2, and that's a course with some longer open holes so that will fit great if it works out.  As soon as I get some artwork I like I'll do a Discraft custom stamp order.

The artwork needs to include as design elements "2005 IOS 7" and "www.brasscash.com".  

I am going to work up something tonight to submit to the design review committee.  I'd rather go with something cool than what I'm about to do.  If you've got something, e-mail it to me or post it here.  

QuoteI also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html (http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html)

thats not a bad idea, at least its the same for every type of thrower.  i still think that this course is good and it would be most fun if it were just played the way that it is though.  goofy stuff ends up pissing more people off than it does making people think its cool.  major tourneys can do that stuff cuz they don't have to worry about pissing people off.  everybody wants to play them regardless.

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QuoteI also liked Mike Clark's idea of turning #4 into a hole like at the USDGC with the clown's mouth. Hole #15
http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html (http://www.usdgc.com/media/video/index.html)

I'm still the guy three states away who is fuzzy on course routing.  Does #4 play along a road with a park-like lawn and maybe seven scattered trees and a patch of schule on the right?  

My thought on adding mandos is no mandos unless we have a spotter-official-volunteer on the hole all day, both rounds.  If someone reliable like Damon were volunteering for that role, then I'd defer to Jon and Brett on course design.

Damon's not volunteering that weekend.  ;)  Damon's playing disc golf Saturday and music on Sunday.

but I'm flattered that Bruce thinks I'm reliable.

Honestly, I don't see any reason to mess with Parkside's design for this, especially from the long tees. I could see the reasoning behind roping off parts of Fairfield, but Parkside is just fine the way it is.

Please pre-register if you plan on playing Parkside. It will make things much easier.

Also, renew your PDGA memberships.  

I really want to play this. I have a couple of things working against me though. This would be the first tournament I have ever played in and the first time I ever would have played parkside. So, I need to get up there and get a couple of rounds in first. With a daughter just under two at home and another due in June, time is becoming very short around my house on weekends. I'm really hoping to get up there in the next couple of weeks. If I see that happening, I'll sign up. If not, I don't know if I want my first tournament to be somewhere I've never played.

David,
    Sounds like a busy time. How have you been? I've started to get to courses early and throw a few drives on each. No upshots or putting. I can play an 18 hole course in under 30 minutes this way. You can get a good feel what you need to do off the tee. Putt prior to the round starting. That works for me. Hope to see you sometime this year.  

Yeah, I'll be out soon for sure. IT's just been a crazy winter for me. the weekends I haven't been out of town I can't justify missing church to make it to leagues. Mainly because I've missed so much as it is from being out of town. I really want to play this course, tourney or not. I'm just going to have to make the time. I'll be posting in the pick-up section soon to see if anyone wants to play up there next weekend (Family in for Easter with Brunch and all the formalities or I'd be up there this weekend)

I know what you mean about playing a course fast though. When I'm in a driving and exercise mood, I'll usually Throw, then run to the disc and throw again. When I do this I don't focus on score at all because putting is all but useless when your winded. But, it's great for getting quick rounds in. I've done 18 at Clark in 22 minutes before and that included putting. Because it would be my first tourney I really want to play it at least once though.

WIDISCSPORTS (http://www.widiscsports.com/schedule.shtml) Event Schedule page now has the IOS #1 tournament at Parkside posted.

Thanks, Terry.

Thanks Terry!

Is there an Intermediate Women's divison or do all intermediates play against each other? I'm assuming there just aren't any Women registered yet.

All divisions are being offered, I just haven't put any in the prereg pages cuz nobody's registered yet. Perhaps I'll add that....

Right now, all the placements for the tournament are in place, except:
#5
#17
#18
These are all set in placements to preserve the "tourny placement" areas.

#10 is currently in the B location (on the left side). Did you decide if we will keep the 10A location? If you want the A location then we will move it back to A.
#16 is still in long right in the woods...did you want to keep it here or move it back to original?

Re: Am Women

Kelsey's rating allows her to play intermediate women, but her rating has been skewed lower by the PDGA's bungling of junior ratings at Worlds.  So she thought she should play rec men.  If there is an Intermediate woman who wants an opponent, Kelsey could be talked into "moving down."  

We will run a one-woman intermediate division if all the women are playing rec.  She will wind up in a threesome with other women most likely.  

If the Intermediate woman has a rec woman rating, I think we will have at least four rec women by tournament time, possibly six or seven.  Supposedly I'm bringing a van full of rec rated young women.  

I will probably have my girlfriend play Rec. I know she won't be playing Advanced. Thanks, Bruce.

QuoteRight now, all the placements for the tournament are in place, except:
#5
#17
#18
These are all set in placements to preserve the "tourny placement" areas.

#10 is currently in the B location (on the left side). Did you decide if we will keep the 10A location? If you want the A location then we will move it back to A.
#16 is still in long right in the woods...did you want to keep it here or move it back to original?

10A works well with my right handed side arm!  So, we'll have to move that back.  After all, we are setting up this course to work best with my game?!  Right?!  :P  

16 may not work in the short left position, the anchor moves to much.  It may be too wet, but I think the anchor has to be re-cemented in.  If you want it in the short right postion.. we can do that but it is too muddy to move it there as well.

QuoteRight now, all the placements for the tournament are in place, except:
#5
#17
#18
These are all set in placements to preserve the "tourny placement" areas.

#10 is currently in the B location (on the left side). Did you decide if we will keep the 10A location? If you want the A location then we will move it back to A.
#16 is still in long right in the woods...did you want to keep it here or move it back to original?

Serg, did you just move them today? #10 was on the right yesterday (Sunday)

CADDIES!!!

We will have experienced caddies for hire on Saturday at IOS #1.  Bret Good got his first PDGA Open win the day he hired a caddy at Flip City.  When I hired her as a caddy at Worlds Semi-Finals I moved up several places in the standings on my last round.  

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Serg, did you just move them today? #10 was on the right yesterday (Sunday)

Yes, #10 and #15 were moved on Monday.

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Serg, did you just move them today? #10 was on the right yesterday (Sunday)

Yes, #10 and #15 were moved on Monday.

ah, so #15's straight ahead then?

Yes, #15 is straight. Right behind those two wonderful guardian trees in the middle of the fairway.

Shawn,

The sleeve on #16 was fixed last year so it should be fine.

Dennis

Hey everyone,

Just a quick correction to the lengths on hole 18.  

Hole 18 Am tee was moved last fall (or summer?) to preserve "the memorial tree".  I believe the complaint was that everyone shooting from the previous tee placement was "butchering it".

Unless you set up a temp tee, the length on hole 18 will either be from the current 200' chip shot tee (as marked on the sign), or from the longer 340' tee.   The 278' low-ceiling or hyzer-bomb shot isn't there anymore.

Me and my jello arm are hoping for the 200' chip shot...

But, oddly enough, I'd rather play hole 11 to the longer basket route on the mound, just cuz I know I'll pick up a stroke or two there.  :)

Just shy of 3 weeks to prepare (ugh) and, as they say the (pre-reg) check is in the mail...

The stars are off!

All the little asterisks that mean "Sanctioning pending" are gone from the IOS events at PDGA.com on the tour calendar.  To the extent that the little stars worry you, we got none!  

Here's the art for the Discraft Colormax discs.

Here is the updated course info for Parkside. Note hole #10 has changed to the left position.

ADV/PRO (Saturday)
All Long Tees Both Rounds except #8
#1 A 325ft.
#2 B 375ft.
#3 B 285ft.
#4 B 429ft.
#5 B 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB)
#6 A 334ft.
#7 A 400ft.
#8 A 438ft. *Middle Tee both Rounds*
#9 A 269ft.
#10 B 266ft.
#11 A 215ft.
#12 A 285ft.
#13 B 308ft.
#14 A 217ft.
#15 A 228ft.
#16 A 277ft. (On & over sidwalk OB)
#17 A 311ft.
#18 A 340ft.
5,690ft.

Final 4 Safari
#1-> 675ft. (Par 4) Temp Tee  to #1 Basket
#2-> 660ft. (Par 4) #2 Long Tee to #3 Basket
#3-> 429ft. (Par 3) Hole #4 Long Tee
#4-> 340ft. (Par 3) Temp Tee to #1 Basket
2,104ft.

Lower Divisions (Sunday)
Round 1-------------- Round 2
Short Tees-----------Mix of short/long tees
#1 A 255ft.-----------Short 255ft.
#2 B 324ft.-----------Short 324ft.
#3 B 170ft.-----------Long 285ft.
#4 B 370ft.-----------Short 370ft.
#5 B 240ft.-----------Long 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB both rounds)
#6 A 213ft.-----------Long 344ft.
#7 A 250ft.-----------Long 400ft.
#8 A 302ft.-----------Middle 438ft.
#9 A 218ft.-----------Long 269ft.
#10 B 230ft.----------Short 230ft.
#11 A 182ft.----------Short 182ft.
#12 A 199ft.----------Short 199ft.
#13 B 256ft.----------Short 256ft.
#14 A 165ft.----------Short 165ft.
#15 A 193ft.----------Long 228ft.
#16 A 223ft.----------Long 277ft. (On & over sidewalk OB both rounds)
#17 A 239ft.----------Long 311ft
#18 A 278ft.----------Short 278ft.
4,307ft.----------------5,199ft.

2005 IOS hotstamp.

Are you joking? What kind of design is that. It's almost as bad as the bag tags. The color max design is good... but this one...not so good

I think it is a great design for a lame concept.  It was my concept.  As lame as the concept is, compared to a lot of custom stamp stuff I see, at least it is not repulsive!  

The colormax design was my concept also but Jon made it much better than I was envisioning it when I was explaining it to him.  

The main purpose in doing custom Discraft stamping is to get their reduced pricing on tournament orders.  They like doing custom stamping for tournaments, for some reason, and give their best deals on that.  

I thought Kyle's robot stamp last year was way cool and it has really worked for selling overstock.  I've had people see that stamp on a disc they did not want and then ask if I have it on a putter or on a driver or whatever they do want.

If someone wants to design something cool for a single event, like the Rockford event or the Blast, we'll use it if we get it on time.  I'll even use a cooler series stamp if I get one.  Any hotstamp concept has to be one-color and it has to include the name and date of the event.  You can read up on hot stamp design at http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/CustomDiscPrinting.html (http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/CustomDiscPrinting.html).

Sorry.  Double post.  

I picked up a couple of freebie Venoms as prizes for participating in Kensington Clean-up Day.  Jim Kenner showed up with a box of stuff quite by surprise to support the effort.  These are going to be hot.  Very much like the Pro Line Starfire but more overstable.  

The old IOS series post page 5. I though was a little better. or use the one on page 4 of this one from circkml...I don't remember, but i thought there were a few more designs that others have done. I would do a quick vote.

anonymous guest, please post as yourself... its not that hard to figure out whose who

In other news...
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15 day long range forecast predicts good weather for both days. Lets hope the forecast holds up!

QuoteThe old IOS series post page 5. I though was a little better. or use the one on page 4 of this one from circkml...I don't remember, but i thought there were a few more designs that others have done. I would do a quick vote.

I liked Kevin's designs but had a couple of issues. The first was that I didn't want an outline of Illinois in this hotstamp. #2 was that this isn't a "Discontinuum" series and since I'm on the Board of Directors of Discontinuum I want to make sure that the Discontinuum name is used appropriately. Discontinuum is integral to the success of the series, but to say that it is presented by Discontinuum is misleading. Several of the events are also Discontinuum events, but not the whole series.

The three of us that oversee the series did take a vote. Two voted that the map stamp was "OK unless we find something better" and the third guy voted "I get plastic to throw, not to look at."

On the past designs, my bad for not responding.  I must have missed some of those posts or dropped the ball in responding.  "Discontinuum Presents:" does not work because Discontinuum is not a partner in all of the events and the officers of Discontinuum did not want anyone misled that way.

I was fine with either stars and state logo generally if Jon liked them.  The first one needed Rockford in it.  The type face of the event details and slogan on the second one would be too small for hotstamping.  That design had too much in it to translate well as a hotstamp.  And I was not fond of the slogan.

Discraft requires that the design indicate the tournament name and date but for a series they are o.k. with a series name, year and website.  So 2005 Illinois Open Series or 2005 IOSeven like Jon is doing works.  And www.brasscash.com is necessary.  

If Jon likes what we have with the map, I'm fine with that.  For me a hotstamp is a hoop I have to jump through to get my Z-plastic priced down to $12 brass on the sticker.  If Jon is open to looking at other designs, I'm fine with that too.  

If I had something that was original and art and appealing to me, like Kyle's robot stamp from last year I'd go with it regardless of what Jon thought.  I'm not looking at the State and Star designs or the Mapquest design as being art.  Too me those are just Discraft acceptable hotstamp designs.  But art is subjective.  

If Jon is vetoing Illinois outline designs, I'm not overriding that veto.  

Quote...If Jon is open to looking at other designs, I'm fine with that too.  

...If Jon is vetoing Illinois outline designs, I'm not overriding that veto.

I'll look at designs until Discraft actually starts hotstamping them.

You might want to e-mail me about your thoughts on design if you still want to submit something. cc Bruce if you'd like. The problem with posting a design on the message board is that everyone then thinks it is a work in progress and everyone wants to share their opinion. If you've ever done anything creative, you know that is a difficult work situation. So, I refrained from posting on those and meant to go back and IM Kevin later. Other issues became more pressing and I forgot to follow up with Kevin and I appologize for that.

I'll look at an Illinois outline design but I'm not out looking FOR another Illinois outline design. If someone has a fresh take on it, bring it on.

Not to beat a dead robot, but I thought Kyle's design was very fresh.  This does not mean I'm looking for another robot.  But fresh and original is always appealing.

Too bad Kyle is so busy, we could put his talents to work for a new design.

I think the "Highway" stamp is pretty creative. Too bad it's not in color and have the cool highway signs and roads.

The only thing I disagree with is the IOSeven as the title. I'd rather see Illinois Open Series.

I agree with Jon regarding the whole artwork thing. You're not going to please everyone. Someone will always have criticisms about the work (see my suggestion above as evidence). Overall, the three that made the choice made an executive decision. Period. That's why they are the tri-organizers...they get paid the big bucks to make the tough decisions.  :D

QuoteHere's the art for the Discraft Colormax discs.

Very creative. I don't throw Discraft but may buy a disc just because of the design, as I did for the Blast Robot.

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QuoteHere's the art for the Discraft Colormax discs.

Very creative. I don't throw Discraft but may buy a disc just because of the design, as I did for the Blast Robot.

Thanks. I think Bruce and I work best together when he comes up with the basic idea and I make it happen. I think the Gorgo is our best work ever but I've thought of ways to do that one better in the future if we ever have use for it again.

Serg is right, if I wasn't so busy I would have submitted some artwork. I'm still jammed for a couple of months, so maybe I can get something out towards the end of the tour. Glad to hear the Blast stamp helped sell some plastic. :)

I've got an idea for a cool Halloween stamp, so hopefully Widdershins (or is that WINDershins) will get another custom this year.

Well, being a graphic designer myself, I know first hand how much I hate this kind of thing. Especially when you volunteer your time. It's easy to sit up on a pedestal and criticize someone's work. Especially when you do it anonymously. I'm sure most people here would agree, if you have something better, show it. Heck, even make constructive criticism. To just say how much you dislike it, imho, is a comment better left out. It's nice to know someone is at least taking the time to put a design together.

Hey, guys it's not me ripping into the artwork. I know how hard it is to do a design everyone likes. I am a graphic artist, for a 2 billion dollar company.  I deal with likes, dislikes and throw it away and start over everyday.  I honestly don't mind the design. It's not the greatest art I have ever seen. You have to take what people say and roll with it. Make it better if you think you can. Keep the concept try moving things around, adding, subtracting....Post all of them. I would love to give constructive critisism.  

QuoteHey, guys it's not me ripping into the artwork. I know how hard it is to do a design everyone likes. I am a graphic artist, for a 2 billion dollar company.  I deal with likes, dislikes and throw it away and start over everyday.  I honestly don't mind the design. It's not the greatest art I have ever seen. You have to take what people say and roll with it. Make it better if you think you can. Keep the concept try moving things around, adding, subtracting....Post all of them. I would love to give constructive critisism.

i think you got a bad rap then kevin, cuz people seemed to be implying that it was you who was posting anonymously.  i would agree that when it comes to any of this artwork people need to be open to criticism if they want to arrive at a design that is appealing to the largest number of people.

QuoteAre you joking? What kind of design is that. It's almost as bad as the bag tags. The color max design is good... but this one...not so good

This is the only post I was referring to. I agree whole heatedly with good solid criticism that leads to a universally pleasing design. Unfortunately, I feel this is not one of those comments. This doesn't seem to be criticism as much as a senseless comment. Especially in their ability to interject their thoughts on the bag tags as well. Without adding anything constructive to the conversation.

i like the designs so far, but here is an idea - what about just using text for the IOS hot-stamp?   there is enough writing between the cites, dates, name of the series, brasscash.com, possibly a slogan, and whatever else to either outline the disc in small writing or circle around it in many layers.  maybe have the outline of the state in the middle.  it would be easy to produce, look good in black, and be to the point.

QuoteIn other news...
http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast-page3...day=11&metric=0 (http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast-page3.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=0&traveler=0&zipcode=53144&fday=11&metric=0)

15 day long range forecast predicts good weather for both days. Lets hope the forecast holds up!

Nice, I'll take that weather any day! 50's and sunny both days is very nice indeed. I can't wait to get my butt kicked on that course in a couple of weeks.

weak  

I don't know were I would get a bad rap. I would not pick appart someone elses art with out giving reason. I am an artist and know how hard it is to please everyone. Why would I post anonymously? I am straight forward with everyone.  I've got nothing to hide form any of you. If anyone of you know me, know that I would not do something like that.  Give me a little more credit than that.  

hey my name is jerry and im going to be in town and i was wondering if i could get a little more info on the local rules courses etc.  

for instance which tourneys the local guys have the most fun at the best payouts and the most people registered

Quotehey my name is jerry and im going to be in town and i was wondering if i could get a little more info on the local rules courses etc.

one of the local rules is that you must wear bermuda shorts and tye dye T-shirts while playing.  just a heads up!  not sure if they do that in toledo.

Quotefor instance which tourneys the local guys have the most fun at the best payouts and the most people registered

I don't know when you'll be in town but check out brasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com). I help run these tournaments so I'm a little biased but I think they are well run with good payouts.

If you won't be in town for any of those check out our regular league on Sunday mornings at 10am in Waukegan at Bevier Park.

Besides our tournaments, I enjoyed both events that I played of Gary Lewis in the Joliet area & the Homie in Cedar Lake, IN has been one of my favorites. The Homie has lunch & dinner & pretty good payouts.

i am going to tr06-25/26-05
IOS #3 - Crystal Cruise
Lippold Park-Crystal Lake, IL
http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/i...lake/index.html (http://discontinuum.org/course_directory/i...lake/index.html)
(Am-C, Pro-C)
(Saturday-Lower, Sunday-Adv/Pro)
No Player Pack


07-23-05
IOS #4 - Forest City Frenzy
Anna Page Park-Rockford, IL
(Am-B, Pro-C)
(Saturday-All Divisions)
$15.00 Brass Cash Player Pack to Ams

i am going to try to make it on 6-20-23 to the crystal cruise
or i might try and make it to the frenzy on 7-23 i also might be there sometime earlier in june  

I am sure you can get somebody to trade some decent plastic for a Mudhens jersey. :P  

ooh that would be cool but how many people would actually be up for that
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30 players have preregistered for the UW Parkside event on 4-23/24 in Kenosha WI.  

Paypal preregistration for IOS 1 has been extended until 4/20. Mailed in preregistrations must be postmarked by 4/17

The weather report is holding good for UWParkside.  Non-player volunteers should dress in layers as if it was going to be winter because it is always a lot colder when you are outside and not very active.  Players should wear bermuda shorts and tie-dye.   :D

CADDIES  Don't forget that we will have experienced caddies available on Saturday for the upper players.  They are trying to earn a little cash for US Women's DGC.  

I rinsed off a few discs tonight and started a few more.  Maybe I'll post on the Dr. Dye Rip-Off thread.

Jerry: Dan was just kidding about the attire requirements.

yes Jerry, I was kidding.  In reality it would be best to dress exactly like Bruce Brakel.  That way you'll blend in with the crowd   :P  

Quote30 players have preregistered for the UW Parkside event on 4-23/24 in Kenosha WI.

Cool!

Quoteooh that would be cool but how many people would actually be up for that
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I'd trade plastic for one if you had a 3x.

All pin placements for IOS #1 are in place.

QuoteAll pin placements for IOS #1 are in place.

Cool! Thank you!

Mmm.... forecast for the IOS #1 is holding strong... Cloudy, 65, winds NNE @ 14 for Sat; Mostly sunny, 62, winds N @ 7 for Sun. Yum! :)

ADV/PRO (Saturday)
All Long Tees Both Rounds except #8
#1 A 325ft.
#2 B 375ft.
#3 B 285ft.
#4 B 429ft.
#5 B 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB)
#6 A 334ft.
#7 A 400ft.
#8 A 438ft. *Middle Tee both Rounds*
#9 A 269ft.
#10 B 266ft.
#11 A 215ft.
#12 A 285ft.
#13 B 308ft.
#14 A 217ft.
#15 A 228ft.
#16 A 277ft. (On & over sidwalk OB)
#17 A 311ft.
#18 A 340ft.
5,690ft.

Final 4 Safari
#1-> 675ft. (Par 4) Temp Tee to #1 Basket
#2-> 660ft. (Par 4) #2 Long Tee to #3 Basket
#3-> 429ft. (Par 3) Hole #4 Long Tee
#4-> 340ft. (Par 3) Temp Tee to #1 Basket
2,104ft.

Lower Divisions (Sunday)
Round 1-------------- Round 2
Short Tees-----------Mix of short/long tees
#1 A 255ft.-----------Short 255ft.
#2 B 324ft.-----------Short 324ft.
#3 B 170ft.-----------Long 285ft.
#4 B 370ft.-----------Short 370ft.
#5 B 240ft.-----------Long 388ft. (On or over sidewalk OB both rounds)
#6 A 213ft.-----------Long 344ft.
#7 A 250ft.-----------Long 400ft.
#8 A 302ft.-----------Middle 438ft.
#9 A 218ft.-----------Long 269ft.
#10 B 230ft.----------Short 230ft.
#11 A 182ft.----------Short 182ft.
#12 A 199ft.----------Short 199ft.
#13 B 256ft.----------Short 256ft.
#14 A 165ft.----------Short 165ft.
#15 A 193ft.----------Long 228ft.
#16 A 223ft.----------Long 277ft. (On & over sidewalk OB both rounds)
#17 A 239ft.----------Long 311ft
#18 A 278ft.----------Short 278ft.
4,307ft.----------------5,199ft.  

I'm looking forward to this weekend :)

QuoteI'm looking forward to this weekend :)

These weekends always give me disc golf nightmares:  

In last night's nightmare we were running World Doubles in Peoria on some great courses, McNaughton, Northwoods and maybe a third course.  We were running it at the last minute because Houck had lost San Saba and Wimberly in bankruptcy proceedings which he did not tell anyone about and which proceeded at a faster pace than his attorney had anticipated.  

So at the pre-tournament ice breaker fun doubles thing on the night before we had 20 players.  I say to Jon, "I would have expected more players than this."  And Jon says, "This is pretty good considering we only have six players signed up for the tournament right now."  

weather looks like 50's and sunny on both days this weekend!

Quoteweather looks like 50's and sunny on both days this weekend!

You should switch forecasts. Accuweather says 60's and sunny for both days of IOS #1 - Parkside!

Just a reminder - all mailed in preregistrations for IOS #1 HAD TO BE POSTMARKED TODAY!!! Paypal preregistration is open until Wednesday afternoon. Don't wait!! :)

Will we be able to renew our PDGA memberships at the tournament?

You can renew at the tournament.  

You can also pre-register in person on the day before at the course, Friday late afternoon and early evening and all day Saturday.

QuoteYou can also pre-register in person on the day before at the course, Friday late afternoon and early evening and all day Saturday.

Who will be at the course to take registartions on Friday?

Look for Jon, Brett or Bruce.  I'll be there with a big van and maybe a small house on wheels.  I'm aiming for a 2 p.m. arrival but one never knows when you are traveling with five women.  

I'll be trying to get out of work a little early that day. I'll come looking for you guys. I work at the University so I'll be around.

I will be around most of the day.  

Will there be any drones available for purchase on Saturday?

Drones, yes.  Around Kensington those are now being called Pigs.  They are fat, slow, and they're gonna go where they want to go.  

Will the Parkside course be open Friday for casual rounds?

QuoteWill the Parkside course be open Friday for casual rounds?

Yes, the course is only closed Sat & Sun.

Preregistration for IOS #1 is officially closed! See you this weekend

QuotePreregistration for IOS #1 is officially closed! See you this weekend

Thanks for setting up the paypal stuff Mirth! I'm guessing I may get a couple in the mail today & tomorrow. We'll see what happens. I'll see you Friday night.

QuotePreregistration for IOS #1 is officially closed! See you this weekend

You will be able to pre-register at the course with Jon, Brett or Bruce Friday afternoon and evening.  And you can pre-register for Sunday on Saturday.  

With this many pre-registered, 47 right now, I'm thinking this will be a well attended event.  

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You will be able to pre-register at the course with Jon, Brett or Bruce Friday afternoon and evening.

I'm hoping to blow off work early on Fri and get to Parkside about 3:30, 'cept it's supposed to rain.... <_<  

im out of the disc golf loop currently due to taking a refresher course required by work - disc has been put on the back burner

i m out this weekend but  making plans to be at  lombard next month

Looks like rain with heavy winds for ams on Sunday.  The golf index is 0 on a scale of 0-10.  I'm assuming we continue play unless there is lightning, hailstorms or tornados.  Right?

dunno where you're getting your sunday weather predictions cuz Accuweather, Intellicast, and TWC all say mostly sunny & cool... Sunday has been the better of the two days, forecast-wise the whole time.

Right now weather.com is saying 30% chance of rain on Sunday late in the day.  I just played a round on my lunch hour today in 30% chance of rain.  It spat on us for ten minutes and blew over.  

You continue playing until the TD blows the horn to signal end of play.  We stop play for lightning or dangerous weather, but not for rain.  

I will suggest to Jon that we have the players bring it in to the building with a foyer that we took shelter in last time we played in the rain out there.  I think it is near 18.  It is where the bus stop is.  It has a covered porch and a large foyer.

But it is not going to rain on the tournament.  Wisconsin is more tourist friendly than that!

30% chance of rain on a cool partly sunny day with 76% humidity often means if two clouds accidentally run into each other they'll make rain.  We'll have Brett in charge of directing traffic so the clouds don't do that.  

QuoteYou will be able to pre-register at the course with Jon, Brett or Bruce Friday afternoon and evening.  And you can pre-register for Sunday on Saturday.

If we are making out a check, who does it get made out to? We add $3 for the course fee, correct?

Do Rec players have to pay the $5 non-pdga fee also? Isn't this fee lifted for some groups?

Add the $3 course fee.  If we collect more course fee than we need to pay UWP, the excess will come back to each division pre rata in CTPs.  

Unless Jon or Brett say otherwise, for this one you should make it out to Discontinuum.  

Juniors playing in a junior division do not pay the $5 fee.  Junior divisions go all the way up to 19 now, and if there are some late teen non-members who want to dodge the $5 fee by playing as 19 and under juniors, we are fine with offering the division.  

weather report says mid 60's and sunny this weekend!!

Quoteweather report says mid 60's and sunny this weekend!!

What crack are you on?

Accuweather forecast.

Saturday
Mostly cloudy, windy and cold. Winds from the NW at 17 mph.
High: 43° F


Sunday
Brisk and chilly with clouds and sunshine. Winds from the NW at 21 mph.
High: 45° F


:angry:  Thumbs down to Mother Nature!!! :angry:  

Hey, it might be like Widdershins-- windy and brisk. Scores were high but so were spirits. I'll bring a hat, gloves and coffee. We were throwing in snow not long ago. It won't be that bad. It figures that a Cub fan would predict 60's. Its like cheering for a warning track fly ball. Sorry Dan, I couldn't resist.

We will probably bring the trailer to the course on Saturday and Sunday so that volunteers can get out of the wind while doing paper work and stuffing payout envelopes.  

If it is not raining, and you wear the thermal underwear and a hat, 40s are a wonderful temperature for disc golf.  You don't sweat.  You don't have to carry fluids.  

If it does turn out to be windy, it will be the same windy for everyone.  We played league this week in the wind so the Waterford Junior Girls Club is windy ready.

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If it does turn out to be windy, it will be the same windy for everyone.  We played league this week in the wind so the Waterford Junior Girls Club is windy ready.

I see they now upgraded the wind on Saturday to 31mph and snow in the morning..  Parkside can be quite fun with a strong wind, it swirls near the school, hard to tell which way it is blowing.


Forecast will most likely change again...  no big deal, just another day in the park.

I'm now looking at a weather report that says it will be 10 degrees with three feet of snow and 50 mph winds.  Scorpions will be falling from the sky and the ground will be opening up at irregular intervals spewing lava and poisonous gasses.

You don't want to miss this!

This makes for an interesting challenge.  You would want warm weather gear for the lava but something more insulated for the snow and wind.  I'm checking the NASA website...now if we can train the scorpions to bring our discs to the basket is there a penalty? I'm thinking I might just pick up one of those yellow cheeseheads at Mars Cheese Castle, if it works at Lambeau in December it will work at Parkside in April.

QuoteI'm now looking at a weather report that says it will be 10 degrees with three feet of snow and 50 mph winds.  Scorpions will be falling from the sky and the ground will be opening up at irregular intervals spewing lava and poisonous gasses.

You don't want to miss this!

I'm sorry I transposed some digits and accidentally typed in the zip code for Hell.

This link is using the zip code for UWP.  Currently no mention of precipitation.

http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?p...=53141&metric=0 (http://wwwa.accuweather.com/forecast.asp?partner=accuweather&myadc=1&traveler=0&zipcode=53141&metric=0)

QuoteThis makes for an interesting challenge.  You would want warm weather gear for the lava but something more insulated for the snow and wind...

I'm going to stop at Lake and Volcano Outfitters and pick up some winter weight asbestos gear.

QuoteI'm now looking at a weather report that says it will be 10 degrees with three feet of snow and 50 mph winds.  Scorpions will be falling from the sky and the ground will be opening up at irregular intervals spewing lava and poisonous gasses.

You don't want to miss this!

you made me laugh so hard, it was great! :D

21mph winds? Bah! It was windier than that at Windyshins during the "calm" times! 21 mph winds is nothing compared to that day!

If anyone wants to play tonight we have a doubles league at Parkside at 5:30...   No big winds today, but at least you'll get a chance to play the layout.

Are you guys doing some doubles thing on Friday?  Tag rounds?

yay for am day

The accuweather forecast is getting better looking.  Still no rain.  The wind is calming down a little.  The scorpions are the itty-bitty red ones whose sting only hurts for three or four days.  

Excellent! I was hoping they wouldn't be the instant or slow death inducing ones... ;)

I'm hoping to get out there during the day to practice but we don't have any organized doubles prior to our events.  

maybe we should put something like that into affect?

Quotemaybe we should put something like that into affect?

You want to run it, D-train?

FYI:

It's raining in Kenosha. Don't know about Illinois. If you're coming up to play today, bring dry clothes and lots of towels. Most of chips should alleviate some of the mud/puddle spots on most of the holes.

We could use an IOS photographer. I don't have enough time to take pictures while running it or while playing. If anyone would like to take pictures for us, we'd really appreciate it. Digital is preferred since we don't have the money to cover processing fees. See me, Brett or Bruce at the course if you have the time, the camera and willing to do this.

Thanks!

I"ll have my camera on the course. I'll take some and send them on to whoever wants them.

QuoteI"ll have my camera on the course. I'll take some and send them on to whoever wants them.

Likewise I could take some pics on Sunday

No dice on driving up there to take pics Saturday, maybe if some brass cash is involved?  :D  

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Quotemaybe we should put something like that into affect?

You want to run it, D-train?

I would for this tournament, altough isnt it a bit late..

I was just saying maybe in the future

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QuoteI"ll have my camera on the course. I'll take some and send them on to whoever wants them.

Likewise I could take some pics on Sunday

No dice on driving up there to take pics Saturday, maybe if some brass cash is involved?  :D

I'll pay you the same amount that I get for DGWN!  ;)  

lol

you may do that for love my friend, and i applaud you for that..

but i do not drive 60 miles (there and back) with gas costing upwards of $2.25 a gallon, to take pictures in the cold of you bozos throwing a piece of plastic! FOR NOTHING!! ;)

Perfect playing conditions out there!  :ph34r:  Doesn't look like i'll be shooting a -7 today.

QuotePerfect playing conditions out there!  :ph34r:  Doesn't look like i'll be shooting a -7 today.

But good enough to win Advanced! Good shootin' Brett!!!

another good IOS tourney today.  weather wasn't really that bad once you were out there playing and could move around and keep warm.  no rain.  tomorrow looks to be much nicer though, so hopefully it'll be a big turnout!

Larry Kempen took 1st in Open.

It was a pretty decent day considering I was expecting snow & rain.  

Well done shooter

SERGIO I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!!

okay honestly though, great shooting man :)

Indeed great shooting Serg!!!  


Great event!!!  Thanks Brett, Jon, Bruce, Dan and all others not mentioned that helped out so much, for such a fun time!!!  I am going to try to play as many ISO events as possible this year!!!  Hopefully we will have better conditions at the later events, although its always fun to putt into a 25mph headwind at #8 basket at parkside, well if you like a challenge that is ;)

sun came out today and it was alot warmer even thought the wind stayed brutal.  congrats to sergio on winning intermed. over brian k. in a playoff.  d-train played pretty solid in his first tourney back from whatever crazy made-up injury it was that he had   :D    adrian sr. tore it up the 2nd round and got 3rd i think.  Mirth had the HOT round of the day!!  clarkage played solid despite handicapping himself by playing OB that nobody else played.   :lol:    i think there were 19 Discontinuum members out there today.   thats a great showing.

Thanks to all involved in putting on the show this weekend. Notwithstanding a pretty brutal wind it was great to play. It was great for me to meet the Kenosha players. You have a gem in Parkside. I'm coming back soon. I left before the tags came back. Dan, save the highest # for me.

hmph @ made up injury

the highest tag is mine, muahaha! although effective, dans system is flawed :D

brian k... oh you will replay that one in your head for awhile my friend, good shooting reguardless

i enjoyed watching people in front of us first round 5 and 6 putt on hole 7 and 8..

Thanks to all that helped make this event happen & to all of you who played. Even though the weather wasn't ideal, everyone seemed to have a good time. The course looked fantastic! Thanks to the Kenosha crew for all the hard work.

The Ace Pool will start at $165.00 at Lombard on May 28th.[/size]


DISContinuum represented.
Winners
Intermediate Women-> Carla Gomez
Intermediate-> Sergio Correa
Advanced-> Brett Comincioli
Advanced Masters-> Adrian Gutierrez Sr.

Thanks to everyone for a great event. Thanks, Mirth, for a great bag tag...why does it feel so new? It was definitely a good time (both days).

Today was a good way to complete my Intermediate career. Serg will be moving up and staying up the rest of the year...at least I think that's what my rating will put me at.

Thanks for the compliments.

Quotebrian k... oh you will replay that one in your head for awhile my friend, good shooting reguardless

To tell you the truth I didn't/don't  really care, I just wanted to get it over with.  If I were to give first place to someone it would be Serg.  We play back and forth all the time, he just got me today.  


I would like to thank the club for bring people up to the darkside and the gentle breeze.  

Should have known it would come down to you two...  Great job Serg..  It is nice to have some tags in the area that are under 30.. :D   Thank you Brakel crew for running a good event.  See ya at one of the next ones.

QuoteThe course looked fantastic! Thanks to the Kenosha crew for all the hard work

No kidding..

Thanks alot guys, it was excellent and I had a wonderful time

That is a big ace for Lombard, beautimus :)

I guess Wisconsin trees are stronger than the trees in Illinois:
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Thank you Dan for "remembering" me  :rolleyes:

:)  

It seemed like everyone that braved the wind had a good time. Despite the weather we still had 102 players over both days. It was the best attended Discontinuum and IOS event yet!

Thanks to everyone for making it a great weekend!

Nice work guys sounds like I missed a good one. I had all intentions of making it until 5 am when I still hadn't been to sleep yet. I figured as sick as I had been lately, pushing myself out there in the cold with no sleep was not a good idea. I'm glad everything went well.

Aside from the PDGA site, will results from each of the events be posted somewhere on the Discontinuum site or the Brass Cash site?

QuoteAside from the PDGA site, will results from each of the events be posted somewhere on the Discontinuum site or the Brass Cash site?

Once Jon has the TD report done, Mirth can add a link to that page.

Once all the results are posted, I will start working on the series points for everyone.

WOMEN[/size]

There were 7 intermediate women at IOS #1. Come on out to the next event.  

Some other news.

Lombard-> They have redesigned some of the course. From the few people i've talked to, the changes seem to be good.

Streamwood-> This weekend I found out that there was also some redesign to this course. The info I got was they added 500 to 600 feet to this course. If that is correct, this course will measure between 6,400ft. to 6,500ft. long

Did anyone notice the deal that trophy-only intermediates and recs got at
IOS #1?  They paid $16 to play and got a $15 player pack.  And they got to shoot at the divisional CTPs.  At Lombard they will pay $14 to play and get a $15 player pack.  

Did anyone notice the deal that the full-fee players got?  Two of the trophy-only players [I think this was in Advanced on Sunday] finished in the prizes causing the prizes to bump down two spots.

QuoteDid anyone notice the deal that the full-fee players got?  Two of the trophy-only players [I think this was in Advanced on Sunday] finished in the prizes causing the prizes to bump down two spots.

They were Advanced on Saturday and they placed 4th and 5th.

I wish I could have thanked them but I didn't know where they were at the end.  

Congrats to everyone. I was really fried Fri night and when I saw the forecast (rain all day) I just didn't want to deal with it.  <_<  guess it turned out not to rain at all on Sat. Had a gig on Sunday.

How long should it take an average TD to report the the PDGA and have it up on the website? I've had it take a few weeks to almost 3/4 of a year.

QuoteHow long should it take an average TD to report the the PDGA and have it up on the website? I've had it take a few weeks to almost 3/4 of a year.

if you haven't already figured it out, these guys aren't your average TDs....  ;) Historically they've been pretty quick.

QuoteHow long should it take an average TD to report the the PDGA and have it up on the website? I've had it take a few weeks to almost 3/4 of a year.

My goal for this tournament is to have Pro/Adv done by Wednesday and Ams done by Friday. I'll post here once they are up.

Once I get my personal laptop repaired I'm hoping to improve the turn around by putting in the players right off the score port at the course at the end of the day. I'd like to see the PDGA improve the TD report by having data auto-fill once you put in the player's PDGA number.

Just for random information...last year it took me about 3 hours per TD report to type in all the info that they want and double check it for mistakes and typos. A split day, like the IOS requires a TD report for each day. I'm slowly getting better at doing the reports though and probably have it down to 2 hours now.

I'm not saying that these guys are slow, I was just wondering what the average is for other tournaments.  

Two weeks.  A minute sooner and he's trying to make the rest of us look bad.  A minute later and he is a slacker.

I'm fine with Jon making everyone else look bad!

wait.. what? lol

you guys are always ze fastest at tourney results, quality

well maybe not the fastest.  8 tournaments already have their results in from last weekend on the pdga tour page.

The way to do it fast is to have a volunteer whose only job is to fill out the scoring part of the TD report.  They load the data onto the template at the event.  Then you can post scores the moment you are on-line.  

If someone wanted to volunteer to do this, we would accept their help and feed them a burger at the end of the day.  

Pictures from the Open Final 4 Safari
*Photos taken by Mark Brunner*

http://www.uwm.edu/~jbrunner/Discgolf/IOS/pics/ (http://www.uwm.edu/~jbrunner/Discgolf/IOS/pics/)

Regarding IOS #2, what tees are we throwing from?  Will it be all white tees?

QuoteRegarding IOS #2, what tees are we throwing from?  Will it be all white tees?

They have not been determined yet.

I'd like to see the lower players on middle tees and the upper players on the long tees, if the long tees are generally playable.  

Do we have a 1-page series flyer anywhere handy?  If not could we put it somewhere handy?  Maybe on the same page where we have the link to pre-reg?

QuoteI'd like to see the lower players on middle tees and the upper players on the long tees, if the long tees are generally playable.  

If there's any rain there between now and Memorial Day weekend you can probably count on anything other than cement tees being barely playable at best.

I'm guessing the middle tees are cement but won't know until I get out there. Not all the holes had cement tees to begin with and I think that's still the case.

I agree with Damon. We should keep everyone on the cement tees.

From the other thread:

QuoteThey have the one main tee pad. That is the white. Then, they have a red tee in front of that, and a blue tee behind the white. The blue and red are each designated by two 6 inch circles designating each tee. So each whole has 3 different tees now.

Get out there and take a look.  I was thinking that if had been redesigned the new long tees might be unplayed.

I'll defer to whatever Jon wants for lower and Brett wants for upper.  I just want to be popular!  :)

The white tees are cement. Although, there were 2 holes that did not have a cement tee pad, just dirt. When I was out there (1 week ago today) It didn't look like there was any work going on to hurridly remedy the situation either. From what I have heard and what it looks like they moved the old tee pads to the new areas. The did a real nice job putting them in place if that is the case. They look like they were meant to be there. The red and blue tees are just grass. When I was out there they looked very unused. So they were still grass not a dirt spot.

QuoteCongrats to everyone. I was really fried Fri night and when I saw the forecast (rain all day) I just didn't want to deal with it.  <_<  guess it turned out not to rain at all on Sat. Had a gig on Sunday.

Just a little snow during round one, Damon B)  

QuoteAlthough, there were 2 holes that did not have a cement tee pad, just dirt.

before the redesign I remember there were 4 or 5 holes w/ no cement, so there might be some new ones, or maybe they dug up a couple of old ones that weren't 'going anywhere' anymore (I can think of at least two). Whatever, it'll all be revealed eventually.

Quotewell maybe not the fastest.  8 tournaments already have their results in from last weekend on the pdga tour page.

One thing that I think I should point out is that the TD does not need to submit the completed TD report in order to get results on line. Probably most of those 8 tournaments already up have not submitted their TD report. Once I get my personal laptop back from repair I should be able to get results online the same day as the tournament assuming that I have online access that day.

Expect results for IOS #1 to be posted tonight.

QuoteWhatever, it'll all be revealed eventually.

But not by me tonight. Got hammered w/ a chest cold.

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Quotewell maybe not the fastest.  8 tournaments already have their results in from last weekend on the pdga tour page.

One thing that I think I should point out is that the TD does not need to submit the completed TD report in order to get results on line. Probably most of those 8 tournaments already up have not submitted their TD report. Once I get my personal laptop back from repair I should be able to get results online the same day as the tournament assuming that I have online access that day.

Expect results for IOS #1 to be posted tonight.

sweet.

Results are up for the IOS #1 Pro/Adv Saturday. I'll still try to get the Ams day up tonight but I'm not promising. I accidently deleted some info from one of the spread sheets and it has put me behind.

IOS #1 - Parkside - Pro/Advanced Results. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5056)

thanks jon!

IOS #1 - Parkside - Ams results are up.

Results are here! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5057)

Sweet! Nice work Jon.

you guys are f-a-s-t!

Great Job.  How come these results don't show up on my player info for 2005 on the PDGA site?  Sorry to be a bother

QuoteGreat Job.  How come these results don't show up on my player info for 2005 on the PDGA site?  Sorry to be a bother

They won't show up until the PDGA officially processes them.

Corrected results are up!

QuoteGreat Job.  How come these results don't show up on my player info for 2005 on the PDGA site?  Sorry to be a bother

the ratings are only preliminary also.

this could have interesting implications for my rating... If I take my current 8 rounds and drop the two lowest and add in the two rounds from IOS #1 then I go ro 890. Of course, this is all subject to PDGA fuzzy math.

Thanks for the help

Quotethis could have interesting implications for my rating... If I take my current 8 rounds and drop the two lowest and add in the two rounds from IOS #1 then I go ro 890. Of course, this is all subject to PDGA fuzzy math.

That is no longer similar to how ratings are calculated.  They used to drop your lowest 3 of your most recent 20.  Now they drop anything new that is lower than one standard deviation from your current rating.  And you are overdue to move up to Intermediate anyway.  I was surprised you were still below 875.  You look like a better player than that.  Jon too.  

bah

lazy baggers

stop stealing peoples money and move up to where you belong, youre ruining the game!!

:)

QuoteNow they drop anything new that is lower than one standard deviation from your current rating.

I'm not up on statistics lingo; what's "one standard deviation" mean? Granted that Mirth could be considered a "standard deviate", but...

I think this is accurate:  "Standard deviation" is a statistics measure that measures how much numbers are scattered about their average. If the numbers follow a perfect Gaussian ("bell shaped") distribution, then 68% of the numbers will be within one standard deviation +/- from the average and 95% of the numbers will be within two standard deviations of the average.  

a standard deviation is a statistical term for determining how far data is from the median (average).  I pulled this from a website:

Simply put, the standard deviation is a measure of the degree of dispersion of the data from the mean value. A large standard deviation indicates that the data points are far from the mean and a small standard deviation indicates that they are clustered closely around the mean.

For example, the sets {0, 5, 9, 14} and {5, 6, 8, 9} each have a mean of 7, but the second set has a much smaller standard deviation

If Mirth's scores are all over the board,   750, 850, 899, etc, there would be a large standard deviation.  If Damon is very consistent, 850, 860, 870 there is a small one.  I played with a guy on Sunday who had a huge deviation in one day.  He shot 68 from the shorts and 55 in the second round.  Went from Suckin' to smokin'. It is a measurement of how far you are from the norm.  Given this, I suspect most players have a large standard deviation from the rest of the population. B)   I personally think Mirth bagged the second round on Sunday just so he stay and wreak havoc on the rec division. :P  Or, you could just say it came natural as he was a big shooter from the Shorts.  

I don't think the PDGA formula uses a personal standard deviation but a class standard deviation.  I think they are calculating the standard deviation off all players with a similar rating.  For most players this is an 80 rating point spread but it might be less for the highly rated.

One of the purposes of the new formula is to mystify the system.  It is much harder to game the system and bag your rating if you don't know whether a score will be counted.  

so will ratings that are more than 1 std. deviation HIGHER be dropped?  if they are then i think this will create some inaccuracy as some players will increase their skill level rapidly and the high rating will not truely be a deviation.  what if a players rating is 850 based off of 2 rounds and then they play the next year and are shooting 1000 golf.  pretend every round they shoot is 1000 or better.  all the rounds would be dropped and their rating would stay at 850.  the same could be said for a player who's skill level drops off rapidly (say if they are throwing with their off hand).

Higher is not dropped.  Only lower.  Whether an off-hand rating gets dropped will depend upon how much you practice before you play that round.  I'm good enough no that my off-hand rounds will count.  Hellooooo Mid-Nationals 2006!  I'll crush the field when I get my new rght arm installed.

so this new system will be implemented with the May 15 update?  Or are you saying that all the old rounds which are currently dropped under the old system will remain dropped and any new rounds will only be dropped if they are lower than 1 std. dev. from ur rating.

...OK, I know what 'standard deviation' is (more or less... which is kind of a pun when you think about it, sorry...) but Bruce's reference to 'ONE standard deviation' has me confused.

QuoteI don't think the PDGA formula uses a personal standard deviation but a class standard deviation. I think they are calculating the standard deviation off all players with a similar rating. For most players this is an 80 rating point spread but it might be less for the highly rated

..or in his example, does 'one standard deviation' = 80 points?

(edited to add example)

I think the number of points in one standard deviation varies by the division.

Computing the value of a standard deviation is complicated. But let me show you graphically what a standard deviation represents...



One standard deviation away from the mean in either direction on the horizontal axis (the red area on the graph) accounts for somewhere around 68 percent of the people in this group. Two standard deviations away from the mean (the red and green areas) account for roughly 95 percent of the people. And three standard deviations (the red, green and blue areas) account for about 99 percent of the people.

The above was taken from robertniles.com.

So if you have a round that falls below the 68% in the middle, then that round is thrown out.

"one standard deviation" means 1Xthe standard deviation=the standard deviation.
"two standard deviations" means 2X the standard deviation, etc.

A lot of the details on the new system are not being communicated intentionally.  The PDGA wants to own the new formula and have exclusive use of it so they are not publishing it.  

The bottom line is, for a consistant player, more of his bad rounds will count because his scores don't deviate that much from the relevant group of scores.  An erratic player with the same average will have a higher rating because more of his low rounds will drop out.  

Under the new system it will be easier for a player to self-discard a round from his ratings, if he wants a high rating for bragging purposes.  If you are 940 rated and are having a mediocre round, take a 14 on the last hole and the round probably will not count!  It will be harder to bag your rating lower because you might over do it and then the round would not count.  Making it harder to bag your rating is probably a good thing.

By the way, the IOS does not have a series rule allowing someone to compete in a division if his rating forces him out.  If someone shoots his way out of Recreational or Intermediate [the winners probably did on Sunday] they are simply done playing those divisions for now and they have to move up.  

The Trio discussed this and all pretty much felt that we don't want to reward bagging.  If you are just a few points below the cut-off and are improving, chances are you are already playing in the next division and getting prizes or coming very close.  If you are playing the series for series points, you should play in a division you can play in for the duration of the series, and not necessarily the lowest division allowed by your rating.  

I updated index2 with links to the online results.

I just wanted to say thanks for a great tournament and for getting the numbers uploaded so quickly. I am looking forward to IOS#2. :D  

Attached are the points after IOS #1

Out of 101 players, only 9 were not PDGA Members.  

can you guys upload this to the site?

or make one that is windows me friendly?

pleeeeeeease :D

QuoteA lot of the details on the new system are not being communicated intentionally.  The PDGA wants to own the new formula and have exclusive use of it so they are not publishing it.  

The bottom line is, for a consistant player, more of his bad rounds will count because his scores don't deviate that much from the relevant group of scores.  An erratic player with the same average will have a higher rating because more of his low rounds will drop out.  

Under the new system it will be easier for a player to self-discard a round from his ratings, if he wants a high rating for bragging purposes.  If you are 940 rated and are having a mediocre round, take a 14 on the last hole and the round probably will not count!  It will be harder to bag your rating lower because you might over do it and then the round would not count.  Making it harder to bag your rating is probably a good thing.

except, the player with erratic scores will have a higher standard deviation and will therefore include a wider range of scores in their rating.  All this does is toss out the scores that are least statistically significant in relation to your mean score.  If you normally throw all over the place then your "standard" deviation is high and scores that are far from your average will still count.  If you throw consistent scores then your standard deviation will be low and a crappy score will get thrown right out.

i went out to play the Long Tees at Lombard tonight and this layout is SWEET!!!!!  There is only maybe 1 hole out of 19 that wasn't really fun and challenging.  There are a ton of holes where you can let it rip.  Well over 6000 feet including a couple over 500 feet and 1 excellent 485 footer.  I had so much fun playing this course.  Can't wait for the tournament.

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QuoteA lot of the details on the new system are not being communicated intentionally.  The PDGA wants to own the new formula and have exclusive use of it so they are not publishing it. 

The bottom line is, for a consistant player, more of his bad rounds will count because his scores don't deviate that much from the relevant group of scores.  An erratic player with the same average will have a higher rating because more of his low rounds will drop out. 

Under the new system it will be easier for a player to self-discard a round from his ratings, if he wants a high rating for bragging purposes.  If you are 940 rated and are having a mediocre round, take a 14 on the last hole and the round probably will not count!  It will be harder to bag your rating lower because you might over do it and then the round would not count.  Making it harder to bag your rating is probably a good thing.

except, the player with erratic scores will have a higher standard deviation and will therefore include a wider range of scores in their rating.  All this does is toss out the scores that are least statistically significant in relation to your mean score.  If you normally throw all over the place then your "standard" deviation is high and scores that are far from your average will still count.  If you throw consistent scores then your standard deviation will be low and a crappy score will get thrown right out.

Except I don't think they are going to calculate a standard deviation for every player. They will probably calculate a standard deviation for each division.

For Saturday all Adv/Pro will be playing the Blue Tees. If I remember corretly, 9 of the pads are cement and 10 are grass tees. The total distance is 6,812ft. There are 19 holes. This will be subject to change. If it rains heavily before event or is raining during the event, all cement tees will be played.

Jon will post what holes Sunday players will play. I think a safe bet would be all cement tee pads.

Anyone want to show me the new layout at Lombard this week? I am very bad but enjoy gambling!

Well, since the Morel mushroom season seems to be drying up to nothing, I am probably going to head out there tomorrow (Tuesday the 3rd) after work. I would probably be getting there about 6pm maybe a little before. I don't know if I'll have any money though. I suppose if we talk more on this it should be in the Pick-up games section

www.brasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated. New links for results, points standings, courses, pre-reg and past winners have been added or modified. If you find something that doesn't work please let me know. If you have any ideas of stuff that should be there but isn't, let me know that too please.

Thanks!

How about a link to a printable one-page flyer somewhere prominent on brasscash.com?

QuoteHow about a link to a printable one-page flyer somewhere prominent on brasscash.com?

Possibly a printable registration form as well.  

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QuoteHow about a link to a printable one-page flyer somewhere prominent on brasscash.com?

Possibly a printable registration form as well.

Both done. I didn't think it made sense to add the reg form without mail-in registration info so I added that also.

Sweet! Thanks Jon.

It looks like IOS #1 got in timely to be processed with the May ratings update.  The TD inputted scores are down, along with the unofficial ratings, and the tour manager inputted scores are up.  That usually means that the TD report has been processed and the data is in the bank.  

IOS #1 was a great time ! I look forward to playing #2. If anyone is considering playing in of these events dont hesitate, Get your money in and enjoy a great tourney. Kudos to the TD's it was very enjoyable. Thank You.

can you guys make a IOS Points sheet in .txt or have a link on the site, like last year?

gracias :D

Quotecan you guys make a IOS Points sheet in .txt or have a link on the site, like last year?

gracias :D

It was already done, I already posted that I done did it already.

Hey IOS TD's

What do you guys think about setting up a Disc Golf clinic at the am half of some of the IOS's.  I know I could use some tips from some of the higher rated players.  Especially now that I'm throwing backhand.  Shawn Fallon, if you have time, you could give instruction on throwing Rocs.  Brett and Dan (time permitting), you guys could cover driving and putting etc. etc.  You could have a different clinic per IOS.  I know a couple of guys who casually worked with Shawn on throwing Rocs, and since then their ratings have sky-rocketed!

Just a thought, and may not be a reality due to time constraints.

Thanks for the kind words, I'm always willing to help out anyone...   With some instruction and lots of practice your rating will skyrocket.  I could use some instruction on putting... I have 3 different styles of straddle putting going on in my game and it is not working...  HELP ME PLEASE.  I seem to be following threw on my putts, instead of reaching for the chains like I used too.



AL, can you send me my log in info....  I cleaned my system and you know...

Doug, That is a good idea. I am always willing to help anyone. I could definitely help on the Lower Day. I'll try to give any advice that helps even though my trhowing style is much different from most players on both putting & driving.I started throwing a Roc because of Shawn. I can't tell you how many strokes i've shaved off over the past year.  

Mangler, thanks for the kind words.  

I picked up the IOS Discraft order yesterday.  The colormax stamp is cool.  Kyle's stamp is cool.  Discraft gave me a colormax IOS CTP disc so we'll give that away at IOS#2.  Erich felt bad about keeping me waiting [they had misplaced half my order!] so he gave me some free minis too.

Erich called me up after I got back to the office to say they found another IOS Colormax CTP disc and he did not know why they made two, but I could have it if I wanted to drive down for it.  I think this is a test to see how much of a disc-whore I am.  Will Bruce drive an hour and a half for one disc?  They probably have a pool going in the office.

so are you gonna go?


shawn, I'll send you your info.

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Quotecan you guys make a IOS Points sheet in .txt or have a link on the site, like last year?

gracias :D

It was already done, I already posted that I done did it already.

I had looked but didn't see your post or the points

My deepest apologies ;)

Thanks dude

QuoteI picked up the IOS Discraft order yesterday.

Did you happen to ask them if they are discontinuing production on the Swirley APX?

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QuoteI picked up the IOS Discraft order yesterday.

Did you happen to ask them if they are discontinuing production on the Swirley APX?

Yeah, I asked.  They are discontinuing all UV plastic and the Swirl APX.  The swirl thing was something they came up with that was not supposed to work and sometimes it didn't.  Sometimes the color did not bond with the plastic or the plastic warped coming out of the mold.  

They will produce a Soft X APX for soft APX fans and a Soft X Challenger for the players who liked the soft UV Challengers.  And for photoreactive fans, they also have a Soft Photon Glow Challenger.  

I guess I don't really care if they drop the Swirl concept as long as they do a soft version of the APX.

Maybe somebody at Discraft had a bad experience as a kid and the concept of a swirley gives him or her the creeps.  

I found that the swirl plastic was really inconsistent.  I threw an APX swirl for a while but it was too flippy for me.  Someone else I knew had one that was the same, and one that was way stiffer.  They never felt the same to me.

QuoteThanks for the kind words, I'm always willing to help out anyone...   With some instruction and lots of practice your rating will skyrocket.  I could use some instruction on putting... I have 3 different styles of straddle putting going on in my game and it is not working...  HELP ME PLEASE.  I seem to be following threw on my putts, instead of reaching for the chains like I used too.



AL, can you send me my log in info....  I cleaned my system and you know...

I found lately that when I put a slight anhyzer angle on the disc while straddle putting, it seems to pop right in most of the time.  Of course that's inside of 25 feet.  It's about 50/50 at 25 feet.  Maybe 40/60, but it was more like 30/70 before I threw with a slight anhyzer angle.

That would be great if you guys could do a clinic.  Otherwise maybe I'll shoot a round with you guys sometime and pick up some pointers.

any time u shoot a round with me i'm always willing to give any advice I might have if you want it, and i'm always open to advice if you have any for me.  i'm always looking to improve and one of the best ways is by learning from watching others and trying to apply it to your game.  i do this alot with the people that i play with on a regular basis.  if u don't ask for advice though, i'm unlikely to just start telling you what I think you are doing wrong as if i'm barry schultz or something.

as far as putting goes, there isn't too much to it beyond finding a simple, comfortable, repeatable motion and practicing it from varying distances (including the really short ones).

one thing i notice that alot of newer players do wrong is to constantly run putts too far past the basket to a distance that they can't make the comebacker at least 80% of the time.  if I miss, i don't want anything longer than 10 feet coming back personally, so i practice my longer putts and my jump putts so i don't go too far past.  if you are a better putter, then perhaps you are comfortable going up to 20 feet past knowing you will always make the comebacker.  but for beginner players, i know most of them could save soooo many shots if they just threw every putt from outside 30 feet straight under the basket instead of even trying to make them.

is there a document that shows the payouts for all the divisions at the first IOS event?  i checked the PDGA website, but all they show is the pro divsions.

Quoteis there a document that shows the payouts for all the divisions at the first IOS event?  i checked the PDGA website, but all they show is the pro divsions.

Payouts usually aren't shown for Amateur divisions on the PDGA site. I think Brett/Bruce/Jon will have to answer this one for you.

I can post them here after I get home. I post the am results on PDGA.com and then the PDGA takes them down after they become official results.

Greg,

My posts keep getting trunkated. I'll have to work on getting this info for you.

size limitation?

Quotesize limitation?

There was a lot of formatting in it. I'm trying it again but without any special formatting.

k. if it barfs up some bb error on you PM me the error & I'll see about fixing it.

Thppptttt!!!!!!!!!!!!  :angry:  

To the extent that you are just curious about the payouts, we calculated them this way:  We gave the players a 15 funny player pack but only deducted 10 for that.  Then we paid them 100% of what remained by PDGA tables.  We did not deduct for PDGA $3 fees or for our economy size trophies.  In intermediate it would look like this:

$23 entry fee.
<$3 to Parkside>
15 funny player pack per player
10 funny to payout per player
28 players X 10 = 280 in the payout
The PDGA payout for the top half then goes something like this:
30, 28, 27, 25, 24, 22, 21, 19, 18, 16, 15, 13, 12, 10 = 280

In addition we added three [I think] CTPs for the intermediates and paid for their $3 PDGA fees and for the economy size trophies out of the event profit.  

To the extent that anyone is complaining about payouts, what they are really complaining about is low entry fees, player packs and PDGA payout tables.  Player packs cut deeply into payouts, low entry fees leave less left over after giving out a player pack and the PDGA tables pay more people but less per person than if we were to pay fewer players more per person.

In light of the comments we have received, we have decided to tweak the payouts for advanced and intermediate at IOS #2.  At IOS #2 we are going to drop the last couple of spots and redistribute that to the top three players so that there is a bonus for finishing at the top.  How many spots we drop will depend on how many play but two or three spots seems likely.  Here is the tweaked intermediate payout for the same number of players:

40, 36, 31, 25, 24, 22, 21, 19, 18, 16, 15, 13, 0, 0 = 280

Meanwhile, it is interesting to see what happens to this equation when there are no player packs, for example, at the Crystal Lake event:

15 funny X 28 intermediates = 420 more for the payout.  420+280=700

75, 71, 66, 60, 59, 57, 56, 54, 53, 51, 50, 38, 0, 0=700

This raises an interesting question:  do you want player packs or would you rather more than double the payouts?  When player packs for B-tiers were first imposed on us by the PDGA we thought it was a bad idea?  Is it?  We can run C-tiers if that is what the players would prefer and put all that player pack money in the payout.  

Your feedback is always welcome.

i think the modified payout will be alot more satisfying for most players.

so, player pack or bigger payout?  hmmm.  that might be a good poll to have after people see the huge difference displayed in Bruce's post.

I personally think sticking with the player pack would be best for the events.  Its nice for everybody to get 1 free disc when the enter so they know they wont' walk away totally empty handed.

Alot of players i've talked to do get excited about player packs.  I hear alot of "dude, u gotta go to this tourney cuz there is a sweet player pack!"  or ' i really liked the disc i got in my player pack'.

I'm sure nobody is complaining about the total payout for any IOS events that have ever been run.  they have all been more than fair.  i think the change in the structure of the Intermed. payout should make everybody happy.  it seems consistent with what i've seen at pretty much every other event i've attended.

Mirth upped the limit but it still didn't work. I'll try putting up a quick page at brasscash.com.

Thank you Jon!  

Of course it never has to be all one or all the other.  If some players would rather see more fat payout C-tiers events and some players would rather see more player pack B-tiers we could even the mix and run more C-tiers but still run some B-tiers.  

Anyway, I now see and remember that this discussion was covered a couple of weeks ago in the PDGA section and the upshot seemed to be [as i've always suspected] that most amateurs want to play tournaments on good courses where they have fun and good competition.  If they have to suffer cheesy payouts to play Hyzer Mountain, or whereever, they'll suffer cheesy payouts and play the awesome courses.  

The new Lombard course design is getting rave reviews.  Hopefully we'll see you there.  

Here is a link to the payout chart.

2005 IOS #1 payout chart. (http://home.comcast.net/~illinoisopen/2005IOS1payout.htm)

jon, thanks for getting that up.  the reason i asked for it is because of some discord among a few rockford disc golfers - they are under the impression that another club is wholelly doing the Forest City Frenzy.  this partly my fault for not cluing them into the whole situation, but this weekend we are having a club meeting (the first in the five years i have been a member) and we are goin to discuss these things among others.  the reason i wanted the payout chart is to show them on paper that you folks have a good thing going and that it should be embraced by all members of GRABM.  i tihnk some very positive things will come of the meeting and to any that would like to contribute their thoughts or ideas - we will be meeting at the park this sunday at 10am and playing doubles once the meeting is over with.

Check the Rockford message board Greg. I lest a message you can print.  

Greg,
   I would copy & paste Bruce's scenario above that we are changing to for the next event as well.

Also, explain that the trophies are hand made. If we did not do cheaper trophies this money would have to be deducted from payouts. More expensive trophies means more money to cover expenses.  

QuoteTo the extent that anyone is complaining about payouts, what they are really complaining about is low entry fees.

This is one opinion that we listened to from last year. For lower divisions it seemed people wanted a lower entry fee. We lowered the entry fees for this year across the board.  

Absoultely.  Speaking as a rec. player who is at least a year away from competing for any payout anywhere except for collecting some scratch from Michler at the end of the baseball season :D , the lower entry fees are tremendous.  Just wanna play.  

Greg, at your meeting tell them that we run low-profit events that have generous amateur payouts.  Almost all of our profit comes from cash disc sales, and not out of the amateur entry fees.  At your event, if everything goes as you have indicated, there will also be some sponsor added cash for the pros generated by your efforts in getting merch sponsorship locally.  

What profits there are at the Rockford event half is staying with you [and your club if they don't kick you out and that's where you choose to put it] and the other half goes to the Waterford Junior Girls' Club to help send girls to Peoria for the Women's National Championship.  

Alright I think I am definitely going to try to make it next weekend.  After the way I shot this weekend down in Mokena I am thinking about stepping up and playing Advanced.  I shot -6 (75) from the white tees and -1 (80) on my first time ever playing the blue tees.  I know I probably won't be in the running for cash but I would rather be pushed to perform by good players.  I suppose it would probably be a good idea to play the course once or twice before the tournament.  Will I be able to register onsite?

QuoteAlright I think I am definitely going to try to make it next weekend.  After the way I shot this weekend down in Mokena I am thinking about stepping up and playing Advanced.  I shot -6 (75) from the white tees and -1 (80) on my first time ever playing the blue tees.  I know I probably won't be in the running for cash but I would rather be pushed to perform by good players.  I suppose it would probably be a good idea to play the course once or twice before the tournament.  Will I be able to register onsite?

Yes, You will be able to register onsite.

I have heard a ton of people are playing. I've heard a dozen or so people are doing the double dip playing both Lombard & Parkside.  

QuoteWill I be able to register onsite?

Yes. Most of our players register onsite.

Absolutely you will be able to register on site.  Pros and Advanced play Saturday.  Tournament Central will probably be at the JayFeather trailer, where ever you see it.  

Last week our handyguy Steve came by and installed a 30 amp outside outlet so this summer on those really hot nights we'll be chilling in an air conditioned travel trailer!  Kelsey says, "Someone else might have a cooler disc golf club they don't have a cooler clubhouse!"

u can defnitely register onsite like the flyer says.  registration closes at 9:30 i think.

Hole #5 will be an all day CTP for the Marshall Street DVD/Towel. This is for all Sunday players.  

heres a link to some of the potential stamps for the forest city frenzy, when you get to the page, refresh it and some more should appear-

forest city stamps (http://p086.ezboard.com/fweendotnetforum16662frm1.showMessageRange?topicID=50466.topic&start=21&stop=40)

heres the link to the official wook #17 picture thread, funny stuff-

http://p086.ezboard.com/fweendotnetforum16...cID=21371.topic (http://p086.ezboard.com/fweendotnetforum16662frm1.showMessage?topicID=21371.topic)

lol

Dude, where's my disc! I think I bought a tie die from that guy at Alpine Valley...cool stamp.

its a work in progress, but i like the idea.  there is another group that has a design ready to go.  i'll get that posted and let you folks vote on which one you like best - or maybe get fifty of two stamps.  stay tuned....

so, if you have w00k #17 on a hotstamp does that mean you'll be serving up some kind veggie burritos in the parking lot?

Two questions:

1) A w00k is some kind of hippie dude or something?

2) Is the guy that was the unwitting model for that w00k going to sue your club for using it on a disc?

oddly enough, yes.  i got a crew of friends coming to help with orchestrating games between rounds, helping signing people up, and cooking up some food for whoever wants to get down on it.   on top of that, i got two locals doing tye-dyes on shirts, towels, and sheets.  it will be like a mini phish show at alpine valley...lol

jon - a wook, short for wookie, is just a scraggly hippie.  to number 2 - i certainly hope he doesnt sue.  he lives in new jersey and is a member of the forum that made those pictures.  although he doesnt really like them, i think he takes it all with a grain of salt.  

heh, his image has been used so many times over the years... he'd have a lot of suits to file!

http://www.boognish.com/ween_archive/ween_forum/wook_17/ (http://www.boognish.com/ween_archive/ween_forum/wook_17/)

If all goes well we will have live scoring for IOS #2. I should be able to get the scores for the 1st round posted on PDGA.com before the second round starts and then get the 2nd round and the Saturday safari round up shortly after the finish of the tournament.

This isn't a promise as I'm just testing out this stuff, but it should work unless there isn't any service at the park or something.

We could actually do hole by hole live scoring for the pro safari round on Saturday if Brett wanted to call them into me on his cell phone! I'm not sure what the point of that would be though since no one would be watching!!!  :D  

QuoteWe could actually do hole by hole live scoring for the pro safari round on Saturday if Brett wanted to call them into me on his cell phone! I'm not sure what the point of that would be though since no one would be watching!!!  :D

It would be just like Disc Golf TV!!!

I figured i'd throw this on here so people understand what is going on with the Rockford Event.

Greg Ross is the TD of the IOS #4--Forest City Frenzy in Rockford. Greg & I have been talking since January about a PDGA Event. He asked me how to take the officials exam and what is involved with a PDGA Event. At the time no one in Rockford was interested or took him serious about running the event or helping him. That is why he contacted me. Since, some opinions have changed and Rockford is interested in a PDGA Event now one is being run.

Greg is the head of the tournament & Bruce is mentoring him. This is not a DISContinuum or Brakel event. It will be run similar since Bruce is mentoring him. Some members of DISContiuum & the Brakels will however be helping Greg run this event since he got no response when he first asked Rockford.  At the time, Greg was not a PDGA Official. Greg has turned in his test & is awaiting his officials card. That is why his name is not on the PDGA Tour Page as a contact. It will be updated once Greg's an official. Greg has fliers for the Rockford event with all his contact info. (Can you upload one here Greg?) He was very interested in making it part of the IOS. Jon added it to his flier since it is IOS #4. Greg contacted Mirth to see if he could do the same online registration as the others & that is happening.

Greg has taken a lot of heat for this. I have heard several opinions of Greg. I can tell you one thing that i've seen & heard from Greg. He wants this event to be the best & biggest event in IL. How sweet would it be to have a 4-some on 48 holes? He wants to put Rockford on the map with a huge turnout highlighting that awesome facility at Anna Page.  

my whole thing going into this was to promote a park that i feel is one the best in illinois.  if anybody has any doubts about this, look at the first posts on the anna page thread.  a few players from rockford are upset that the club wasnt involved with it, but they have a track record of turning away others that want to step up and make something happen and this time it bit them in the ass because something actually has happened and they are pissed because they aren't getting recognition for it in 'their park'.  before i had any aspirations of the forest city frenzy, i asked if they wanted to sanction one of their yearly tournaments and they vehemently said 'not one of our tournaments'.  
my alleigance is to anna page park, not GRABM.  once the goal of making the park and the club better is in sight then it wont matter who does what, but until then, these same people will continue to get upset if others step up because their name isnt attached, which will lead to the same old, same old in rockford.  

I thought that was the problem with Rockford, no one would run a PDGA event.  All my friends and I wondered during high school why there wasn't an event.  I'm glad that you have stepped up to the plate so Anna Page can get the respect it is due.

It seems I can't win with these IOS events. I was still fighting an upper respiratory infection for IOS #1. I was really hoping to play IOS #2 and I guess I still am. Now it's my back. I threw it out two weeks ago playing basketball and I just can't get it back in shape enough to get any power on my throws. Since I wasn't a long thrower before, the loss of 30-50 ft. is killing me. Not to mention, once on every round I try to throw too hard and wham I almost need to crawl the rest of the way. I actually played a decent 18 today at lunch, but, that was at clark park where distance isn't a factor.

So, to my question. If I feel good and make it out Sunday, but, if something happens will people be upset if I can't continue, does it cause any organizational problems. I wouldn't expect any money back at all, I know that risk initially if I sign up. I just didn't want to make things tough on the people running it, or in my group. if I were to have to bow out.

Today was promising, but I am far from 100%.

Greg has shown a lot of leadership on this, to the extent even of getting some sponsorship from the local convention and visitor's bureau earmarked for Gateway custom stamped discs.  Greg asked for IOS involvement because his club was not interested and he did not have the merch for a good event.  

I'm really hoping we can make something of this.  Historically not many TDs have run tournaments on Pro Worlds weekend.  If you look at the PDGA schedule the two Pro Worlds weekends are the two slowest weekends in July.  I see no reason why amateurs should have nothing to do just because the pros are in Pennsylvania for the big one.  

If we were to get excellent attendance this year, we would look at doing an Am-only A-tier next year.  

The Rockford thing:

First off, I just want to do the things that will help promote disc golf. That's why I ran for State Coordinator. Second, I want to help people run tournaments so that we all have tournaments to play in. That means that Brett, Bruce and I scheduled six events for this year to run. When Brett asked Bruce and I if we wanted to help Greg run a seventh leg of the IOS in Rockford, I said yes. It adds another sanctioned event to the Illinois schedule and it is at the best disc golf park in the state.

If the GRABM members will give us a chance, I think they'll see that we are all just disc golfers looking for a good event to play in. Whatever we need to do to make that event happen, we'll do. Next year if Greg doesn't want the event to be part of the IOS and if he doesn't need our help, then I'll gratefully just show up and play!

I was really hoping that this event would be a chance for players from several clubs and areas in Illinois and Wisconsin to come together and have fun at a great disc golf park. I think EVERYONE knows that this event wouldn't be happening without GRABM and all the people that help make Anna Page a great disc golf park. If anyone who plays the Forest Frenzy in Rockford didn't know that GRABM is responsible for the great disc golf courses there, they will know after the player's meeting. If there is anyone from GRABM that would like to say something about the club and the park, please let Greg know so that he can introduce you at the player's meeting.

QuoteIf the GRABM members will give us a chance, I think they'll see that we are all just disc golfers looking for a good event to play in.

i think that a majority of GRABM's members know this already, it is just some of the older members that are a bit sceptical.  but like you say, once they see a great event they will let their gaurd down a little bit.

Hey Bruce,

Can you bring some Champ Firebirds (168-170) to IOS#2.  I promise I will buy at least one, most likely two.

Thanks

Champ Firebirds are coming.  Someone was asking for them, perhaps you, so I got them.  

Greg,
   Was this event a GRAMB Event? http://www.wisinois.org/cardinal.htm (http://www.wisinois.org/cardinal.htm)

nope.  to the best of my knowledge, the only participation that GRABM had in that was Terry Miller contacting Carl about three weeks before the tournament just to make sure the course wasnt being used.

QuoteSo, to my question. If I feel good and make it out Sunday, but, if something happens will people be upset if I can't continue, does it cause any organizational problems. I wouldn't expect any money back at all, I know that risk initially if I sign up. I just didn't want to make things tough on the people running it, or in my group. if I were to have to bow out.

Today was promising, but I am far from 100%.

As long as you don't leave a two-some, it shouldn't cause any organizational problems. If you are playing in a 3 some and you need to leave the course, the other 2 players will need to play with the next group back. If you decide you can't play the second round, let the TD know and he'll arrange the players accordingly.

{{{Healing vibes}}}

Anyone from Kenosha heading down to Lombard?  Any carpooling happening?

I'm goin down for Sunday, but that doesn't really help you now does it? :)

I might need a ride back on Sunday. Just to Bevier would probably be fine.

I can help with that, although there's a chance Dr Dye will be coming as well so you can hitch all the way back to Ktown.

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QuoteSo, to my question. If I feel good and make it out Sunday, but, if something happens will people be upset if I can't continue, does it cause any organizational problems. I wouldn't expect any money back at all, I know that risk initially if I sign up. I just didn't want to make things tough on the people running it, or in my group. if I were to have to bow out.

Today was promising, but I am far from 100%.

As long as you don't leave a two-some, it shouldn't cause any organizational problems. If you are playing in a 3 some and you need to leave the course, the other 2 players will need to play with the next group back. If you decide you can't play the second round, let the TD know and he'll arrange the players accordingly.

{{{Healing vibes}}}

Thank you for the information. If I do make it, I'm almost 100% sure I'd play the first round for sure. My biggest problem right now is my back tightening up on me. So, weather or not I would be able to start the second round would be the big question. The last couple of days I have had no problem finishing a round. It's about an hour later, after I've relaxed a little that it gives me fits.

That's good news for me though. Unless I hurt it again while practicing, I should be there.

alieve is good stuff for the aches and pains

Quotealieve is good stuff for the aches and pains

Actually, I've had a bad back since the age of 18. Two ruptured discs - a genetic issue. With my years of dealing with this, I have found pain killers don't do me any good. They relieve the pain, but, that also allows me to do what I shouldn't and therefore not give it enough rest and rehabilitate it correctly. It's just one of the things I have learned in the 15 years of dealing with this.

(http://www.rafansrule.org/images/valium2.gif)

Well, mirth my addiction to painkillers because of my back is a whole other story why I don't pop a lot of pills.

Back on topic though, how many people are you expecting for the weekend? Is this one looking bigger, smaller, or about the same as IOS #1.

QuoteWell, mirth my addiction to painkillers because of my back is a whole other story why I don't pop a lot of pills.

Back on topic though, how many people are you expecting for the weekend? Is this one looking bigger, smaller, or about the same as IOS #1.

I can tell you that tomorrow morning at 9:35am!  :D

I'm going to say probably about the same as we usually do, which is about 80-100 players over both days.

QuoteWell, mirth my addiction to painkillers because of my back is a whole other story why I don't pop a lot of pills.

Back on topic though, how many people are you expecting for the weekend? Is this one looking bigger, smaller, or about the same as IOS #1.

i'm more optimistic dave.  i'm predicting 120 players this weekend.

First round scores are up. We have 80 players today so it took me a little longer to get them up. www.pdga.com then click on tour.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...ncludeRatings=1 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5059&year=2005&includeRatings=1)

2 'unofficial' 1000+ rounds! :o

nice work jon on entering the scores at the event.  thats pretty cool to have them up already (even though i don't want to look at mine  :( )

Thanks, Dan! All results are up for Saturday's rounds.


Dan,

Brett said he hopes your hand is feeling ok...he almost feels sorry for you!  :ph34r:  

great friggin tournament today guys, thanks for a great time!

Scores are up for Sunday. We had dinner at Uno's and then I posted while Becky drove home. Almost home now!

Nice work Jon! It's great seeing scores done online when you get home that night. A-Tier quality.


I think the Ace Pool is $448.00 right now. I know it's in the 440-450 range. It could be over $600 at Crystal Lake if there is a good showing.

Thanks to the hoards who played.  It was our biggest tournament ever.  Double thanks to the many players who paid cash for a disc.  Cash sales are the oil lubricating the tournament machine!  

Wow, Nick Fyock had a pretty good weekend. He won the Rec Division at the Prairie Open on Saturday, then took 2nd on Sunday.

Awesome job at getting the results posted, Jon. I'm still waiting for the results from the Fox Valley Open which was two weekends ago.

Jon,  Can you check Jeremiah Jacobson & his PDGA #. It is incorrect? I'm working on points later tonight.  

Lombard was a fun course. This is the first time I've played it since the Safari Series a couple of years ago so it wasn't easy. It was nice to actually throw a few long drives, especially since I've only been breaking 300' consistently for less than a week.

Kelsey is getting too good. She hit a couple of big deuce putts in a row second round., one of them was on the hole for the Int. longest putt. She beat it by at least 12 feet.  I'm pretty sure she schooled Jay and me a few times during the round.

bruce - what's the price in brass for a skill shot?

$120 Brass.  Post on the Innova order thread if I need to get some because I'm almost out.

QuoteKelsey is getting too good. She hit a couple of big deuce putts in a row second round., one of them was on the hole for the Int. longest putt. She beat it by at least 12 feet.  I'm pretty sure she schooled Jay and me a few times during the round.

Kelsey remembers those putts.  She remembers that they were the nails in Jay's "beat-by-a-girl" coffin.  Just remember, she has been playing disc golf her entire life.  She is like one of those hockey kids who learns to skate before they can walk.  She is playing Men's Rec for the competition, not to embarrass anyone.  Next year it will be the same in Men's Intermediate.

Quote$120 Brass.  Post on the Innova order thread if I need to get some because I'm almost out.

I'm at least another tournament away from the skill shot, so no super rush.... unless of course you'll hold one for me for a while.

QuoteKelsey is getting too good. She hit a couple of big deuce putts in a row second round., one of them was on the hole for the Int. longest putt. She beat it by at least 12 feet.  I'm pretty sure she schooled Jay and me a few times during the round.

QuoteKelsey remembers those putts.  She remembers that they were the nails in Jay's "beat-by-a-girl" coffin.  Just remember, she has been playing disc golf her entire life.  She is like one of those hockey kids who learns to skate before they can walk. 

She can add me to her list too. Unless she's only counting guys who were actually on her card.  ;)

QuoteShe is playing Men's Rec for the competition, not to embarrass anyone.  Next year it will be the same in Men's Intermediate. 

..and the year after that it'll be Men's Advanced.  :o

QuoteShe can add me to her list too. Unless she's only counting guys who were actually on her card.

She's counting all of them.  You're in the book.  When we got home she decided to recreate the book as an Excel spreadsheet because it is getting unmanageable on paper.   :D  She said, "Should I keep doubles?"  And I said, "Yeah, maybe you could trade with Juliana, like two Shorts for a Climo."  

Attached are series points after IOS #2

I forgot this. Nice work on the art for the IOS7 Kyle! Very cool. I got one of those 150 Z Flicks that had nothing but the stamp on them. It looks awesome.  

QuoteI forgot this. Nice work on the art for the IOS7 Kyle! Very cool. I got one of those 150 Z Flicks that had nothing but the stamp on them. It looks awesome.

I picked one up also. Absolutely nothing else on the disc except for Kyle's stamp. It is weird and cool!!!

They weren't ready to do a custom order of those puppies so they grabbed a stack that did not have the rim stamps.  Usually when they are not ready to do a custom stamp they apologize and give me stock stamped instead, so these ARE weird but cool.  Kind of collectible like the upside down biplane postage stamp.

I ordered 50 Discwings today.  We will have them for Rockford, but most likely not for Crystal Lake.  If you think these will be hot, hot, hot, I could order 100 and pass the savings along to the players.  They are a DX/EliteX blend but are priced like Z.  Don't go buying one off the internet for big bucks.  I'll have them for 14 Brass.  

Here is a picture of that stamped z-flick kyle did. The one I have is orange with green stamp. scan took away the color.  

Thanks guys, glad you liked it.

I can't really claim to have spent a lot of time on that stamp. I came up with the "Bond" idea pretty late and didn't actually have any time to work on it so it's not quite as nice as I would have liked. Can't complain though, anytime a stamp I made ends up on a disc is cool with me.  ;)

Thanks to Kelsey I got one of the 150 flicks also. I looked at them, but didn't even notice the missing discraft stamps the first time.

Lower divisions are Saturday for Crystal Lake this month, right? The pre-reg field page (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/IOS3-prereg.html) has it reversed.

QuoteLower divisions are Saturday for Crystal Lake this month, right? The pre-reg field page (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/IOS3-prereg.html) has it reversed.

That's correct. The pre-reg field is labeled incorrectly. Mirth, can you fix?

Oops, my bad.... Its fixed.

QuoteI ordered 50 Discwings today. We will have them for Rockford, but most likely not for Crystal Lake. If you think these will be hot, hot, hot, I could order 100 and pass the savings along to the players. They are a DX/EliteX blend but are priced like Z. Don't go buying one off the internet for big bucks. I'll have them for 14 Brass.

The way that the people at Wham Bam were drooling over the Quarter Ks that were raffled off, I would think that you wouldn't have a problem getting rid of them.  Also I watched Mike Batka throw one, it was a rocket out of his hand and was crushed.  The disc is faster than the Beast or Crush.  It seemed to get to 400 feet in about 2 seconds.  The rim is a bit unusual, but if you fork grip like I do it's not a problem.

QuoteDon't go buying one off the internet for big bucks.  I'll have them for 14 Brass.

How much if purchasing for cash? If I don't make it to Rockford I'd like to send some $$ with someone to make a purchase.

to play it safe, you should probally just go to rockford... :D  

Hey Brett,

I know it's early, but any ideas on where the tees are for IOS3 at Lippold?  Are they basically the same as last year (roughly near each tee sign)?

Hole 18 tee last year was modified for safety. The tee was moved back towards 17 tee.  The rest played out of the crushed limestone near the tee signs.  

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QuoteDon't go buying one off the internet for big bucks.  I'll have them for 14 Brass.

How much if purchasing for cash? If I don't make it to Rockford I'd like to send some $$ with someone to make a purchase.

I saw your post.  I'm thinking about this.  I'm mainly thinking I want to use these to promote the IOS until supply exceeds demand.  

QuoteHole 18 tee last year was modified for safety. The tee was moved back towards 17 tee.  The rest played out of the crushed limestone near the tee signs.

Tee #4 and Basket location for #6 were modified for fun last year. I'm not sure what Brett has in mind for this year but we'll be getting it locked down soon.

#4 will be played for the original tee.
This year there will not be a portable basket for #6. We will play the 400 footer that is there now.
#18 tee will be moved again to the west near #17 tee.

Quote#4 will be played for the original tee.
This year there will not be a portable basket for #6. We will play the 400 footer that is there now.
#18 tee will be moved again to the west near #17 tee.

By that do you mean the tee for #4 that we played in last year's IOS?

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Quote#4 will be played for the original tee.
This year there will not be a portable basket for #6. We will play the 400 footer that is there now.
#18 tee will be moved again to the west near #17 tee.

By that do you mean the tee for #4 that we played in last year's IOS?

yes, same as last year.

Brett, which day gets the Marshall Street DGC video?  To the person who inquired, we have several of these but we are giving them away as CTPs.  You could negotiate with whoever wins it.  

QuoteBrett, which day gets the Marshall Street DGC video?  To the person who inquired, we have several of these but we are giving them away as CTPs.  You could negotiate with whoever wins it.

I'm going to have 1 Marshall Street DVD/Towel CTP at each event but only 1 day. It will be open both rounds at each event.

I have to rotate them around each time.
Parkside-Saturday (Pro/Adv)
Lombard-Sunday (Lower)
Crystal Lake-Saturday (Lower)
Rockford-Saturday (All)
Streamwood-Sunday (Pro/Adv)
Waukegan-Saturday (All)
Fairfield-Saturday (Lower)  

So there are no DVD's for sale, just for prizes?  If so, can they be ordered from one of you that gets deals for qty or should I just order one for myself from Marshall Street?

QuoteSo there are no DVD's for sale, just for prizes?  If so, can they be ordered from one of you that gets deals for qty or should I just order one for myself from Marshall Street?

We have no DVD for sale. You need to order from Marshall St.  

I'd try to deal with the CTP winner first, but that's just me.  

just a reminder that there is one week left to preregister, if thats your thing.

to the junior that preregistered but I haven't put your info up yet - I've been a little busy lately, but your registration is indeed confirmed....

I'm going to have a few of those dyed Orc-bears at the IOS.  If you are the guy who really, really wants one, I'll set one aside for you.  They are $20, real or funny.  I've never gone home with one.  They go fast.  This one is a new one.  It is a purplish-blue on orange.  The colors did not scan well.

How many "Elves suck!" Orcs are you going to have?

QuoteHow many "Elves suck!" Orcs are you going to have?

Yeah, everybody, I've got these DX Orcs with the really ugly Orc stamp on them and I was thinking of doing a perimeter dye blocking out the words, "Elves suck!"  Does anybody want an "Elves suck!" Orc?

Wouldn't an Orc say something more like "Elves make tasty treats."?

"Elves.  Yum!"

Looks like there's a chance for falling scorpions this weekend!  And a really good chance for Barking Spiders!.....especially if you are playing in my grouping!

Other than the scorpions, the weather looks pretty good.  

The girls are bringing the popstand to this one.  There will be caddies available for Sunday.  Kiralyn has been reserved.  

Jon, ask Maddisen if she wants to work the popstand on Saturday.  Bring the radios.

I finally found out what "30% chance of showers" means when they say that in a weather forecast. In last month's National Geographic they had an article on weather forecasting. Weather forecasters use many different computer models when forecasting the weather, so when they say 30% chance of showers it means that 30% of the models came back with showers in their forecast. That also means that 70% of the models came back without showers in their forecast. I think on any given summer day in Illinois we have about a 20% chance of a pop up shower--especially when the temperature goes above 80 degrees. Bring it on. I like to play in the rain when it is 80 degrees. It's like playing in the sprinkler when I was a kid!

The showers, even if accompanied by scorpions, will be a welcome respite as long as its not too windy.  It should be pretty warm.  However, weather.com has modified its forcast. The extreme heat is Friday.  The weekend should be in the 80's. The girls running the pop stand should be pretty popular!

I'd be more worried about the Barking Spiders!!!

QuoteI'd be more worried about the Barking Spiders!!!

I  thought they were a punk band from the early 80's.

not quite 80's punk....

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QuoteI'd be more worried about the Barking Spiders!!!

As long as your up-wind of those your safe
:D  

With this competition I'll take any advantage I can get!

QuoteWith this competition I'll take any advantage I can get!

It's a courtesy violation if I'm down wind!!!

Time to guess the attendance! I'm going to say that we will do modestly better than last year...I'm going with 104 players over both days.

112.  so, does the closest guess get a nifty IOS stamped disc?  

93 players today and NO ACES!!!!

Ace pool for Sunday will be over $700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who woulda thunk another hole would need to be added at Crystal Lake? Can't wait until tomorrow & that big ace pool.  

Saturday results are posted @ PDGA.com.

QuoteSaturday results are posted @ PDGA.com.

Thanks to Becky for doing the data entry on that! :wub:  

oh my god my name is on the PDGA website!!!  I'm somebody!!!!

I just wanted to say "thank you" to everyone that helped over the weekend.  With the amount of people and the heat everything ran as smooth as always. Great Job to Bruce and your crew! I am looking forward to Rockford.  

another good turnout today at Crystal Lake.  i think it was 63 players today.  amazingly the ace pool rolled over yet again and is now at $850 going into Rockford.  i can't believe nobody hit one today.

I am amazed that 63 upper echelon players did not hit an ace. #'s 1,17 and 18 at Rockford are all short righty holes. 17 is very hittable. Somebody is going to take in a wad o' cash.

Quoteamazingly the ace pool rolled over yet again and is now at $850 going into Rockford.

wow. When does the IRS get involved??  :blink:  

(edited so the webmaster knows which one to delete.  <_<  )

ah, damon. the master of the double post :P

The ace pool got up to $859 for today! We decided to cap it at $750 for the remainder of the series and start a backup fund for when the $750 ace pot gets hit. Bruce and I figured that there were more than 4,000 opportunities for people to collect the ace fund this weekend alone.

So, anyone that gets into the ace fund at Rockford and hits will collect on the $750 ace pool and then we'll have a starter ace pool for the next IOS in August.

Oh, and Sunday results are up at www.pdga.com.

did the advanced and open players play the regular tees, or are there harder tees that I dont know about?

Quotedid the advanced and open players play the regular tees, or are there harder tees that I dont know about?

looks like they played 20 holes.

the same tees were used on sunday as were used on saturday.

2 extra holes were added (not the same as the added hole on saturday).

1 was a very deucable hole and the other was about 480-500 feet across an open field.

From what I saw on the leaderboard, a lot of them were deucable for you. :)  Nice shooting Danimal! I should have predicted it.  When I left Saturday you were practicing on One while people were cashing in their brass.  You put a big hyzer right under the basket. 8)  

A note on the unofficial results for IOS#3 at pdga.com. Adrian Gutierrez Jr. won the playoff for third place trophy in Advanced and Wilbur Wallace won the playoff for 1st place in Adv Masters. The on-line upload tool does not allow me to put in a place for the top of a multi-tie but leave the rest tied. That will be fixed once the results become final.

What is the entry fee into the ace pool?

QuoteWhat is the entry fee into the ace pool?

$3.

IOS #4--July 23rd--Rockford--Forest City Frenzy
www.brasscash.com

Please pre-register for this event. There were 140 players at Lombard & 156 players at Crysal Lake. Rockford has the potential to be the biggest event in IL this year. All divisions will be playing on the same day so the regisration line will be long. Save yourself time by pre-registering.

Any skill level player is welcome. There is a division for anyone. We have a new player meeting before every event to teach basic rules & procedures of a PDGA event.

Ace Pool
#1-> $750.00
#2-> Starting at $109.00

You can pre-register at this link-> http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/ (http://discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/)

What is the maximum number of registrants for IOS#4? 5*36=180?

If we expand both courses to 21 holes each, we would max out at 205 players.

It was my understanding that IOS#4 is 2 rounds of 24.  Assuming no expansion, what was the plan?  How were the courses going to be utilized?  18 holes of one and 6 off another?  Were there going to be 6 temp holes?  Not that it really matters, but I was just wondering.  After all, wondering sure beats paying attention at work.  ;)  

What's the best way to get to Anna Page from, let's say, roughly Bevier?

QuoteIf we expand both courses to 21 holes each, we would max out at 205 players.

Wouldn't that be 21*2*5=210? Or are the other 5 reserved for the Brakel clan? :P  

QuoteWhat's the best way to get to Anna Page from, let's say, roughly Bevier?

To use mapquest or yahoo, you can use the intersection
"Safford Rd At N Springfield Ave, Rockford, IL 61101"
for directions purposes. I usually am coming from the south so I take I-39 to US-20 west. From
there I exit at Meridian and head North to State street and cut back East to Springfield. The park is just North of there by about a mile.

QuoteNot that it really matters, but I was just wondering.  After all, wondering sure beats paying attention at work.  ;)

Amen to that.  

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QuoteIf we expand both courses to 21 holes each, we would max out at 205 players.

Wouldn't that be 21*2*5=210? Or are the other 5 reserved for the Brakel clan? :P

Yes, you are correct.

QuoteIt was my understanding that IOS#4 is 2 rounds of 24.  Assuming no expansion, what was the plan?  How were the courses going to be utilized?  18 holes of one and 6 off another?  Were there going to be 6 temp holes?  Not that it really matters, but I was just wondering.  After all, wondering sure beats paying attention at work.  ;)

We have not finalized how many temp holes we are going to have. Two courses with 21 holes each (three temp holes on each course) is one of the configurations that we are looking at.

QuoteIf we expand both courses to 21 holes each, we would max out at 205 players.

21x2x5=210, but like Barish said, last I'd heard it was 24 holes on each course, which seems a bit extreme.

QuoteWhat's the best way to get to Anna Page from, let's say, roughly Bevier?

from crystal lake i took 176 W to Rt 20.  Rt 20 will take you to the east end of rockford.  from there you can follow Rt 20 to the west end of rockford till you get to the Montague Exit (about 12 miles give or take).  take that exit and take an immediate left (north) on to Harrison Rd.  Harrison then changes name into Springfield Rd in about a quarter mile.  Take Sprinfield Rd north about three miles and the park will be on your left hand side.   From Crystal Lake to the east end of rockford it took me about 50 minutes.  If it doesnt take you more than an hour to get to crystal lake from bevier than 176 should be a bit quicker.

Doug

If I recall you are not far from Schaumburg.  Is that right?  If so, I think 90 is best.  take 90 which turns into 39 to the exit at Riverside in Loves Park.  This is just past Rockford.  Follow Riverside west through about 10 miles of suburbia and it will wind up at Anna Page.  By the way Greg, I hope to get there Thursday (edited from tomorrow-oops :unsure: )depending on the schedule.  Call my cell.  

QuoteI hope to get there Thursday (edited from tomorrow-oops  )depending on the schedule. Call my cell.

work in the morning and class in the evening leaves me with about four hours to kick around with from 1pm and on.  ill give you a call bout lunch time.

QuoteWhat's the best way to get to Anna Page from, let's say, roughly Bevier?

If I was starting at Bevier I would go up to 173 and head west on that all the way to Rockford.  Then turn left onto Alpine and then a right on Riverside Blvd. which will take you to the park.

Thanks for all the different routes.

Point Standings after IOS #3

Points and results have been updated at www.brasscash.com. (http://www.brasscash.com)

IOS history fun fact!!

Ryan Schuman, Shane Rose, Adrian Sr., Adrian Jr., and Michler are the only players who have completed every IOS event so far dating back to the first one in 2003.

i hope yall found that fact to be fun.

Here's a quote from the Quad City message board about IOS 4:

QuoteChad told me that when they were at Michiana everyone was talkin' about being in Rockford.  So, it might be a good idea to pre-pay for this one, boys.  Wouldn't want you to go up to Rockford just to get shot down.

QuoteIOS history fun fact!!

Ryan Schuman, Shane Rose, Adrian Sr., Adrian Jr., and Michler are the only players who have completed every IOS event so far dating back to the first one in 2003.

i hope yall found that fact to be fun.

I've played in all of them, too

Please pre-register for this event! Save time in the morning or get there early. We've had 101, 140, & 156 players at the first 3 events. Things run a little smoother when that is split over 2 days. Rockford will be on 1 day so things will be hectic. Rockford may possibly be the biggest 1 day disc golf event in Illinois history.

You can pre-register here (mail0in or online)
-> http://www.discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/ (http://www.discontinuum.org/Events/IOS2005/)

any idea what the biggest one day event is in Illinois history?  

Quoteany idea what the biggest one day event is in Illinois history?

could it have been one of the Lincoln Douglas debates? :D

The 1968 police riot at the Democratic Convention? :P

The Pope coming to Grant Park? :lol:

The atomic bomb test underneath Stagg Field? :o

The Beatles at Comiskey Park?  :rolleyes:

Michler getting half the money when his partner hit an Ace at Fairfield? ;)

I give up.  What?

Quoteany idea what the biggest one day event is in Illinois history?

For events that I'm aware of, I'm going to say 135. That was fivesomes on 27 holes at one of the Illinois State Championships that I was at. Probably 5 years ago or more. Gary had to turn away 3 or 4 guys that showed up 20 minutes after registration was over...he just didn't have any other place to setup a temp basket.

Rockford will be the only two course, one day format in Illinois that I have ever heard of.

provided by John Knudson....

The 2003 Illinois State Championships.
http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=3598 (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=3598)

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Quoteany idea what the biggest one day event is in Illinois history?

For events that I'm aware of, I'm going to say 135. That was fivesomes on 27 holes at one of the Illinois State Championships that I was at. Probably 5 years ago or more. Gary had to turn away 3 or 4 guys that showed up 20 minutes after registration was over...he just didn't have any other place to setup a temp basket.

Rockford will be the only two course, one day format in Illinois that I have ever heard of.

I remember that one.  He actually set up a 90 foot temporary hole because he forgot to save room for his sponsors and when they showed up the tournament was full.  The guys he turned away were hopping mad when he turned them away and then five minutes later was telling someone to set up a temp hole for four other guys!  That might have been two rounds of 28 holes.  I think it was 1999, the year I made my first [and unsuccessful] run for the obelisk.  

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Quoteany idea what the biggest one day event is in Illinois history?

For events that I'm aware of, I'm going to say 135. That was fivesomes on 27 holes at one of the Illinois State Championships that I was at. Probably 5 years ago or more. Gary had to turn away 3 or 4 guys that showed up 20 minutes after registration was over...he just didn't have any other place to setup a temp basket.

Rockford will be the only two course, one day format in Illinois that I have ever heard of.

I played in a couple collegiate tournaments that played two courses in a day.  The Illini Open was a tournament that we (the frolfing illini) held this spring and that was played on Northwoods in Morton, and then McNaughton in Pekin.  WIU also hosted a tournament where there was one round on the WIU campus course, and then one in Canton.  Both were a lot of fun.

Greg at one time posted a pretty cool stamp for the Forest City Frenzy.  Is this in the player packs?  Is it a disc that can be purchased with brass? Do the discs exist or was it just a cool idea? If real, what kind of discs have the stamp?

Bruce will have these discs available for sale, cash or brass, with the Forest City Frenzy stamp.

35 Crystal Z Challengers
15 Z-Flicks
20 150 Z Flicks
25 D Buzz  
25 Z Crushes  

QuoteGreg at one time posted a pretty cool stamp for the Forest City Frenzy.

Greg

Do you still have a picture of the stamp, I couldn't find it?

Why are the 150 Z Flicks so popular?  I dont get why you would want such a light version of such a wickedly overstable disc.

QuoteWhy are the 150 Z Flicks so popular?  I dont get why you would want such a light version of such a wickedly overstable disc.

to make it less stable

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QuoteWhy are the 150 Z Flicks so popular?  I dont get why you would want such a light version of such a wickedly overstable disc.

to make it less stable

Well, thats kinda my point.  The flick doesnt have a very comfortable grip, at least to me.  I would think someone would be better off just getting a champ. eagle or something along those lines if they wanted a less overstable disc that was good for flicking.  I carry a flick but its a specialty disc more than anything...  I only use it for huge curves and gale-force wind days.

QuoteDo you still have a picture of the stamp, I couldn't find it?

it is in a .tif format, so i dont think that i could be posted on the site, but i could be wrong.  if anybody knows how to do it, i'll send you the file.

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QuoteWhy are the 150 Z Flicks so popular?  I dont get why you would want such a light version of such a wickedly overstable disc.

to make it less stable

Well, thats kinda my point.  The flick doesnt have a very comfortable grip, at least to me.  I would think someone would be better off just getting a champ. eagle or something along those lines if they wanted a less overstable disc that was good for flicking.  I carry a flick but its a specialty disc more than anything...  I only use it for huge curves and gale-force wind days.

What disc a person throws depends alot on how fast they throw, how much spin they throw with and what the ratio of spin to speed they throw with. The way that I tend to throw the 150 Flick starts off slightly understable and finishes over stable. So, if I want a disc to go straight or slightly turn right and then always come back to the left at the end, I throw the 150 Flick.  

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it is in a .tif format, so i dont think that i could be posted on the site, but i could be wrong.  if anybody knows how to do it, i'll send you the file.

Chainmeister sent me the file and I converted it to a jpg and am posting it here for all to view...

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to make it less stable

Well, thats kinda my point.  The flick doesnt have a very comfortable grip, at least to me.  I would think someone would be better off just getting a champ. eagle or something along those lines if they wanted a less overstable disc that was good for flicking.  I carry a flick but its a specialty disc more than anything...  I only use it for huge curves and gale-force wind days.

What disc a person throws depends alot on how fast they throw, how much spin they throw with and what the ratio of spin to speed they throw with. The way that I tend to throw the 150 Flick starts off slightly understable and finishes over stable. So, if I want a disc to go straight or slightly turn right and then always come back to the left at the end, I throw the 150 Flick.

I like it for throwing uphill as I have an old weak decrepit body.

QuoteI like it for throwing uphill as I have an old weak decrepit body.

I just look at what Kelsey throws well and buy one of those! Breeze? Got it! 150 Flick? Got it! Hey Bruce, is Kelsey throwing the Sidewinder? I'm doing well with the glide that I get out of the Sidewinder.

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QuoteWhy are the 150 Z Flicks so popular?  I dont get why you would want such a light version of such a wickedly overstable disc.

to make it less stable

Well, thats kinda my point.  The flick doesnt have a very comfortable grip, at least to me.  I would think someone would be better off just getting a champ. eagle or something along those lines if they wanted a less overstable disc that was good for flicking.  I carry a flick but its a specialty disc more than anything...  I only use it for huge curves and gale-force wind days.

What disc a person throws depends alot on how fast they throw, how much spin they throw with and what the ratio of spin to speed they throw with. The way that I tend to throw the 150 Flick starts off slightly understable and finishes over stable. So, if I want a disc to go straight or slightly turn right and then always come back to the left at the end, I throw the 150 Flick.

I like it for throwing uphill as I have an old weak decrepit body.

i agree that the flick feels very uncomfortable grip-wise, but that will vary person to person.  The champ eagle is the most stable disc in my bag.

The player pack will be 15 brass.  The Forest City stuff is an option but not a mando.  

Every time I have got a shipment of 150 Flicks I've quickly sold them out.  That's why I like them so much!  

Players who like the 150 Flick should try the 150 Talon.  Kelsey goes with the 150 Talon when she wants a little less high speed turn and more low speed fade [to use innova's terms].  If you throw with power somewhere around Jon and Kelsey's level [and more of you do than will admit it] both are excellent drivers, but you might need something heavy for throwing into the wind.  What is your headwind driver Jon?  

Kelsey played around with the Sidewinder but decided that UV Wildcats were more reliable for that purpose.  She bought out my supply of UV Cats now that they are discontinued and has hidden them somewhere.  

I found the Ript decks, by the way.  And I threw the Coyotes a little more on the lunch hour.  The Coyote flies a lot like a Breeze or a Comet.  I think it will wear more like a Comet than a Breeze.  

I did not try on the T-shirts!   :blink:   They seem to be configured correctly with three holes on top and one big hole on the bottom.  

QuoteI did not try on the T-shirts!   :blink:   They seem to be configured correctly with three holes on top and one big hole on the bottom.

:huh:  :D   :lol:  

QuoteWhat is your headwind driver Jon?

150 Flick released on a hyser, Crush, Wildcat. If it is too windy to throw a Wildcat into the wind, then I'll just take a little off the drive to avoid burning. If it is that windy taking a little off the drive is usually a good idea to keep the disc under control anyway. I can throw the Wildcat into a fairly high wind though. I think because I throw with a higher spin to speed ratio than most people, I can throw into a stronger wind without burning while using a less stable disc. It's also probably why I don't get very good distance.

The temp holes on each course are marked.

Old Course
After hole #18 A, B, C, & D, will be played flowing back to #1 nicely.
A-270ft.  (Righty hyzer with road OB on right & schule to the left.)
B-250ft.  (Straight shot from wide open thru a very tight gap to a basket that is nested 40 feet back in a hole surrounded by schule.)
C-283ft. (Open Hyzer shot following the tree line to the left. Schule left of the entire fairway)
D-401ft. (Long open shot with schule to the left & right.)
           

New Course
Holes A, B, & C are played after hole #4
A-255ft. (Hyzer to stright shot under or over limbs to basket nested near road ob)
B-685ft. (Long pretty much open hole until you get down near the basket with road ob to the left all the way down.)
C-336ft. (Long uphill hole. You can anhyzer or hyzer. Basket nested behind trees)
Hole D is placed between holes #9 & #10
D-223-ft. (Tight staight shot thru trees.)

Final 4 Safari Holes for Top 4 Open players
All 4 are on the old course.
1-601ft. Temp tee near parking lot shooting to temp hole A basket. Tee is elevated with road OB to right & schule on the last 40% of the fairway to the left.
2-764ft. Temp tee on top of hill shooting down tight tunnel then across open field to #12 basket.
3-552ft. Temp Tee near #12 basket to #2 basket. Nice long open shot. You can throw anhyzer, straight, or hzyer for placement shot. The upshot is the key thru or around some trees.
4-542ft. Temp tee near #3 tee to #18 basket. Straight to anhyzer shot for placement past regular 18 tee. Hyzyer or straight shot to #18 basket.
2,549ft total

QuoteThe temp holes on each course are marked.

Old Course
After hole #18 A, B, C, & D, will be played flowing back to #1 nicely.
A-270ft.  (Righty hyzer with road OB on right & schule to the left.)
B-250ft.  (Straight shot from wide open thru a very tight gap to a basket that is nested 40 feet back in a hole surrounded by schule.)
C-283ft. (Open Hyzer shot following the tree line to the left. Schule left of the entire fairway)
D-401ft. (Long open shot with schule to the left & right.)
           

New Course
Holes A, B, & C are played after hole #4
A-255ft. (Hyzer to stright shot under or over limbs to basket nested near road ob)
B-685ft. (Long pretty much open hole until you get down near the basket with road ob to the left all the way down.)
C-336ft. (Long uphill hole. You can anhyzer or hyzer. Basket nested behind trees)
Hole D is placed between holes #9 & #10
D-223-ft. (Tight staight shot thru trees.)

Final 4 Safari Holes for Top 4 Open players
All 4 are on the old course.
1-601ft. Temp tee near parking lot shooting to temp hole A basket. Tee is elevated with road OB to right & schule on the last 40% of the fairway to the left.
2-764ft. Temp tee on top of hill shooting down tight tunnel then across open field to #12 basket.
3-552ft. Temp Tee near #12 basket to #2 basket. Nice long open shot. You can throw anhyzer, straight, or hzyer for placement shot. The upshot is the key thru or around some trees.
4-542ft. Temp tee near #3 tee to #18 basket. Straight to anhyzer shot for placement past regular 18 tee. Hyzyer or straight shot to #18 basket.
2,549ft total

Nice! Brett, you do a great job with the temps and safari holes and it is really appreciated!! Even though I am not playing in this event I am still really looking forward to it.

Thanks Jon but I can't take the credit on the temp holes. Greg had a pretty good start to them. We altered a few slightly on the new course but Greg did all the work.

I had 1 safari in mind when I went there then designed the other 3 around it. The 2nd hole is pretty insane.

QuoteThanks Jon but I can't take the credit on the temp holes. Greg had a pretty good start to them. We altered a few slightly on the new course but Greg did all the work.

I had 1 safari in mind when I went there then designed the other 3 around it. The 2nd hole is pretty insane.

Big thanks out to Greg as well! I think this is going to be a great event!

Are all the basket placements in place for IOS#4?  Also, what tee's are each division teeing off from?

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The baskets on the original course are not all in the correct spots. Greg is working on that. There is just 1 set of tees out there.  

Hole 2,3,5,6,9,15,17,18 will be moved for the tournament.  I'll try to have those done by the end of this weekend.

Thanks.  I played there yesterday and some of those are rough holes! Especially for a puss armed lefty!

there will be a good mix of holes for the tournament - short and long, left and right.  my guess is that throwing an accurate 250 foot shot will do your scorecard alot better than monkey arming a 400 footer because a half the alternates and majority of the holes on the new side are built for precision not distance.  

I'm doing the scorecards based on the hole distances we exchanged in e-mails.  If there have been any changes, be sure to let me know

On the Old Course the temporary holes will be numbered 19, 20, 21, and 22 if that is o.k. with the other volunteers.  This way, perhaps as many as 40 people won't have an excuse or reason for going to the right hole on the wrong course for tee off.  It happens all the time.

The Old Course will be designated the "Old Course" on the cards and the New Course will be designated the New Course since these terms seem to be working for you and Greg.  Accordingly:

The temp holes on each course are marked.

Old Course
After hole #18, 19-22 will be played flowing back to #1 nicely.
19-270ft. (Righty hyzer with road OB on right & schule to the left.)
20-250ft. (Straight shot from wide open thru a very tight gap to a basket that is nested 40 feet back in a hole surrounded by schule.)
21-283ft. (Open Hyzer shot following the tree line to the left. Schule left of the entire fairway)
22-401ft. (Long open shot with schule to the left & right.)

Having said that, the Old Course, Morning and Afternoon Round scorecard file is finished.  I used the PDGA standard scorecard that they used to give to TDs as an Excel file and added four holes.  I will print it on Saturday.

Hi I am a new disc golf player and play often at Anna Paige's old course.  And it seems to me that you guys have played there a few times as well.   So if I were to enter the tourny and I average -10 by there hole descriptions how should I enter myself in the tourny or should I not enter at all???

I look foreward to your responses
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I will defer to Greg and Brett on this question.  It has been years since I've played the course and I do not remember what the posted recreational par is.  What are your actual scores?  Is a -10 relative to posted par a 54 or what?

These are the actual scorecards we will be using at Rockford.  They should have correct hole distances on them, but if there should be any issue getting the baskets moved, we will play to where the basket actually is on each hole!  

and Old Course

Well after counting up the signs add up to a par 75 so I guess that means I average a 65 on your guys par 54 thing.  Lol now I dont feel as good at disc golf =[.

+11 would be a rec score.   I think it would be the kind of score for which the trophy-only option is attractive.  For $14 [plus the $5 non-member fee if applicable] you get 15 brass to spend how you want, a chance to test your skills against tournament players, a shot at all your divisional CTPs, and an opportunity to see if playing tournaments is more fun than whatever else you are doing right now.  You save $12 on your entry fee with the trophy-only option but don't get prizes at the end of the day if you finish in the prizes.

Oh, and it is nice to see that you are a Rockford Area Local and not a Rockford Arean Local.  I thought maybe you'd be showing up in jack boots and a brown uniform.   ;)

I guess I am a little confused as to how the entry fee is worked into the amateur brackets.  Could you give me a little information I am a little apprehensive about spending $20 for a trophey.

Chris

Chris - play recreational for the full price.  i have been trying my damdest to get othe rec players from rockford to play and i hear alot of scores right around that area, so you wont be getting blown out the water and you'll have to put in some work to get on the top part of the score board.  also, if you ever plan to play a tournament this is the one that you want to play.  the entry price is reasonable as far as tournaments go, trophey option or not.  second, you will not find a better tournament than an IOS tournament - the payouts are great and you get 15 dollars brass cash right from the get-go for signing up.   i'll be at the park for most of sunday if you got any questions about it...

Lol okay but what is the payout that is what I am trying to find out.  I know as an Amatuer I will not get a cash prize so what kind of prizes will I get etc.  

Chris

You will get $15.00 in brass cash when you register. They are brass coins that come in $5's & $1's. You can spend it right away or save it until whenever you want to buy something.

At the awards ceremony, if you cash, you will get a bag of brass. You can add that to your $15.00 player pack & purchase whatever you'd like. Discs, shirts, hats, basket, or any other merch that is on hand.  

If Jon or I remembers to bring any stickers,

a $15 Brass player pack could buy

Z-plastic disc, mini and sticker or
Pro plastic disc, mini and sticker or
Discwing, mini and sticker or
DX disc, three minis and a sticker or
A towel, two minis and a sticker

If you played a B-tier where your $10 player pack was just a mini and a sticker I think you got hosed.

The current weather forecast is [knocking on wood] close to ideal:

Low of 66
High of 86
Scattered clouds
Strong possibility of birdies all day

Your Pre-Registration page has no Open/Pro listed.
Is this accurate?
Will you be accepting registrations on Saturday morning?
Thanks, Jim Klem

If you are talking about the pre-registration on-line payment page, open pro is the first option listed.  If you are talking about the pre-registered players page, I did not look at that.

Sorry. I meant the list of pre-registered players.
Will you be accepting registrations on Saturday morning?
Thanks, Jim Klem

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absolutely, registration runs from 8- 9:30am.    

There should be one open/pro player listed as of yesterday... Barrett (open women)

Thanks Mirth.

Anyone going to Rockford willing to watch/sell the club's Gateway stock?

There are now over 40 players pre-registered for this inaugural event. There is still time to register online.

QuoteThere are now over 40 players pre-registered for this inaugural event. There is still time to register online.

No there isn't. Online preregistration technically closed on Saturday. In reality the pages are still there & active, but not for much longer today.

If you're on the fence - preregister now! You won't be able to by 5PM today.

I did three Cubs discs and one White Sox.  The White Sox is a 174 gm white Orc.  It was easier to do than I expected so I'll do some more White Sox.  I want to do some Lady Liberty discs but Ive misplaced my artwork for that.  And some Yodas.  There is never enough time... :(  

ur better off leaving the discs white than putting a White Sox stamp on them.  u won't be able to give them away now.

All pre-reg. players get a gateway disc in addition to the brass cash, correct?  If so, do you know what kind of gateway disc?  

i was wondering if someone could fix my name on the pre-registered players page?  Under Intermediate it should say Joshua Milligan, or Josh, not Mulligan. Sorry about this, it happens all the time.

You bet I can fix it. Strange tho, cuz I could swear thats how the email from paypal spelled it....

Oops, guess not. My bad....

QuoteAll pre-reg. players get a gateway disc in addition to the brass cash, correct?  If so, do you know what kind of gateway disc?

The Gateway deal fell through a long time ago.  Every player gets a $15 Brass player pack.  This is being run like any other IOS except that we have some cash to add to the pros for this one.

Greg posted about that Gateway deal before it was nailed down.  Except it is hard to nail down water.  The deal evaporated.  It morphed into a Discraft deal that then morphed into added cash for the pros, added stuff for the amateurs.  

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No there isn't. Online preregistration technically closed on Saturday. In reality the pages are still there & active, but not for much longer today.

If you're on the fence - preregister now! You won't be able to by 5PM today.

So how can I preregister? I went to the home page and it says I can't anymore. Should I mail my registration?

final allowed postmark date for mailed preregistrations was last saturday, although stragglers postmarked yesterday are being accepted.

If you really want to preregister PM me & I'll give you the URL to the correct page.

so what discs are getting the Custom stamp on them?  Or is that gone under the bridge also?

i kinda got all jumpy when this tournament started rolling.  the gateway deal sounded good at first, but discraft ended up being the best bet for the players in every way.  i apologize up front for anyone who has any misconceptions about the details (number of alternates, gateway discs, etc..) of the day, but rest assured that it all works out in the end.  

Quoteso what discs are getting the Custom stamp on them? Or is that gone under the bridge also?

we got cryztal z challengers, z cruch, d buzz, and z flicks of every size shape and color

Quoteso what discs are getting the Custom stamp on them?  Or is that gone under the bridge also?

What greg said.  I hope they gave us some of those sun burn pink discs.  Those are fun to not sell for 12 and then dye and sell fast for 14.  

There were 27 Pre-Registered players for Crystal Lake and 156 showed up. We had to add 2 temp holes both days of the event.

Rockford currently has 44 players Pre-Registered. There will be 2 courses with 22 holes on them. We have a few extra portables if we need to add a few more. We anticipate this to be the biggest event of the Illinois Open Series to date. This could possibly be the biggest 1 day event in IL history. We hope you are part of it at one of IL's finest facilities.

Come on out to Rockford, IL on 7-23.

www.brasscash.com

Todd Fanning needs a ride to Rockford Saturday. He lives in Libertyville in anyone can hook him up.  

well folks, the pins are where they are supposed to be and everything is good in anna page land....  for anyone that is intrested in getting a head start on some practice, a group from the quad cities is coming up in the afternoon to play a few.  actually from the sounds of it, there should be players out all day so if you stop by the chances are pretty good that someone you know or have seen will be there.  cant wait for saturday, hopefully it wont be too big of a disaster.  :)  

Greg

On my way last week I saw a bar about a mile south of Anna Page.  Do they have anything edible?  Is there any place to grab a burger or something during the break? Or is it best to just bring lunch? Regardless, I am looking forward to the Frenzy.  See ya there!

there is a bar north of anna page called Scanlan's that has some decent bar food starting at 4 bucks and up.  otherwise, i think a friend of mine will be grilling up some (schich-kibob's?) that have cherry tomatos, peppers, onions, mushrooms, and chicken.  

glad to hear you are coming, see you on saturday!

Maybe this has been covered...but I didnt want to go through 17 pages to find it, I am lazy :P

What does the person with the most points overall after all events are played in each division???  I tried to find it on the brasscash web site, but all I could find was those home made quarter baskets....Is that what the overall points winner gets after all 7 events are played???

Cant wait to get a chance at that $750 :D

There is not much riding on overalls.  I think 1st - 3rd in the larger divisions get a tournament stamped dyed disc like last year with the division and place not dyed.  

Im Planning to go Saturday Early to Rockford from Libertyville. Have room of course.

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On my way last week I saw a bar about a mile south of Anna Page.  Do they have anything edible?  Is there any place to grab a burger or something during the break? Or is it best to just bring lunch? Regardless, I am looking forward to the Frenzy.  See ya there!

if u turn right onto springfield coming out of the park and then take a left on Auburn St. u will come to regular fast food type places down the road just a bit.  not more than 10 minutes from the course.

We had 167 players for this event.  We added $300 to the pros and added 400 brass to the ams over and above what we normally do.  Many thanks to the Rockford Area Convention and Visitors Bureau for their sponsorship and to the Rockford Park District for their support with the jumbo tent and the porta-johns.

We paid one ace $750 so the ace pool will start at the Stream Shady around $600.  

WOW! What a fantastic Saturday even though it rained on us for the 1st round. Thanks to all the club members who attended, helped in any way, and supplied baskets.

You were part of something BIG! 167 players currently ranks tied for 5th in 2005 largest events according to the Summer 2005 Disc Golf World News. We needed the Brakel female clan to put us in the top 4 :D .

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no kidding, saturdays attendance equalled the last three tournaments that anna page has had combined!   thanks to all that showed, it was great putting a face to the names i see on this board and others, and extra special thanks to all that worked very hard on getting this together i.e. jon, bruce, brett, dan, mirth, and anybody else that i may have forgot.  

i hope to see you all out here soon.  we have leagues on sunday mornings, wednesday nights and the GRABM club picnic is in early September.   ill keep you all posted...

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i hope to see you all out here soon.  we have leagues on sunday mornings, wednesday nights and the GRABM club picnic is in early September.   ill keep you all posted...

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Greg,

You did a heck of a job putting that all together (Jon Brett & Bruce always do a heck of a job so I'll ignore them here...  ;)  ). I had to bolt right after the 2nd round (I actually made my gig in time thanks to Barish's Nascar imitation) so I didn't get a chance to thank anyone personally.

Hope this convinces the Rockford Park District to pop for some teepads on the new course and maybe even replace (lengthen!) the teepads on the old...

thanks again,
Damon

I think this one will go down as the wettest of any tournament held during a drought!  

I was not expecting the rain. I am very glad that I always pack my waterproof boots. Dry feet are happy feet.

By the way, the local news (13) aired some footage during the sports segment on the 10:00 news. From what I recall, there a brief bit with Bruce, someone driving, shot of the merch table, etc. It even had a shot of me making my longest putt of the day (which of course was in warm-ups).  I need to practice a ton more. Unfortunately we didn't have any blank VHS tapes for me to record my 2 seconds of fame.

Thanks for a great tourney.  

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... and I don't even know who won the thing. Understandably it'll take a while for the results to get to the PDGA site, so..... ?

4 Events
Kenosha-> 101 players
Lombard-> 140 players
Crystal Lake-> 155 players
Rockford-> 167 players
Total-> 563 players
141 average players per event

Next event-> Streamwood--August 13&14
Ace Pool-> $600.00+

www.brasscash.com

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... and I don't even know who won the thing. Understandably it'll take a while for the results to get to the PDGA site, so..... ?

Kris Hutter won Open. He shot a 61, 61, 15 for a total of 137.

Sorry there was no same day scoring for this one. We would have needed another all day volunteer to have been able to pull that off. Bruce and I had about 15 minutes to sit down and take a break before cards came back for the second round. The first round we were still working on financials and payouts when the first card came back. I'll start getting scores posted on PDGA this week. I'll try to do a couple of divisions each night.

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definitely no need to apologize for that, it was quite a load you were undertaking.  ;)  

Had a great time at the event. Anna Page Park is an excellent disc golf facility. Thanks to all those who worked hard to put this event together. Greg, you did a great job. It was a pleasure meeting you.

I have a suggestion to Bruce/Jon (or anyone running the merch):

I know it depends on who is available to help out, but I think that you should keep selling merch during the payout session. This will help avoid the mad rush of purchasers after all the payouts are done. I understand why would want to "close" merch as the two of you are in charge of the merch and announcing the payouts, but I think this would help alleviate the chaos at the end.

Personally, I didn't have a problem with picking up what I wanted and scooting out of there, but I could tell people were anxious to get their goods and get moving.

Either way, thanks for all your hard work.

One merch question: What discs have the "Bond" hotstamp?

The problem with leaving merch open during awards is not one of available volunteers. The merch buying process is loud and actually drowns out the awards process to the point where Bruce and I can no longer communicate. Another reason is that people who won should have their moment to be publicly congratulated. They earned that.

We are always looking at ways to make the process more efficient and I welcome any suggestions to help any of our tournament processes.

QuoteHad a great time at the event. Anna Page Park is an excellent disc golf facility. Thanks to all those who worked hard to put this event together. Greg, you did a great job. It was a pleasure meeting you.

very nice meeting you too, along with all the other discontinuum folks that i finally got to put a face to.  and i appreciate that you think that i did a good job, but bruce and jon did a great job and should take the bulk of the congradulations.  i only live here and knew some good sponsors, they did all the details.  worked out good for them, good for me, and great for the players.   look forward to more 'real' events in rockford, possibly starting with a holloween event this year.  and bruce and jon willing, another leg of the IOS series next summer.   i'll post some pictures from the day very soon...

ace fund rolled huh  ?

looks like im coming up to streamwood
 

the reserve fund did. one lucky wisco player walked with the $750 primary pool.

Quote167 players currently ranks tied for 5th in 2005 largest events according to the Summer 2005 Disc Golf World News.

...but if you look for *one-day* events, it's at the top!

Open men scores are posted. http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...hp?TournID=5115 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5115)

Jim Klem observed on pdga.com that the template is assuming 18 hole rounds.  I think there is an option to change that to 22-22-4

The IO7 "Bond" stamp currently is on Crushes, Wildcats, Flicks, XS, Flashes, I think.  I was thinking about getting some on Avengers, Crystal Z Challengers and 150 Flicks because I am out of those.  

QuoteJim Klem observed on pdga.com that the template is assuming 18 hole rounds.  I think there is an option to change that to 22-22-4

Changed that. I'll have to wait to change the pro payout to last place cash when I get home tonight.

where can i mail a pre reg for streamwood

About 1/3rd of the way down on www.brasscash.com there is an address and stuff.  I'd post the address but the stuff is important, so you should go to brasscash.com and read it.  

so mail check to brett ?

yes, you can mail it to brett or me, since Brett's going out of town for the next 10 days. PM me if you want my address.

Hey Jon,

With regard to the "Forest Frenzy" round ratings, why is a score of a "67" rate as a 932 for Women's Open and Pro Masters and as a 942 for Pro Open?  Didn't they play the same course at the same time?

Those are preliminary ratings.  Either the template calculates ratings by division, or Jon flip-flopped his a's and b's in the course section.  

Since Jon is entering scores in waves, the template might be calculating ratings in waves, and not recalculating previously submitted information.  In that case, the course misplay could account for the ratings difference.  

I fixed the problem. I didn't update the last wave for what course they played and the tool defaults to the first course setup. So it had those new pros that I entered as having played the new course twice, so it only rated them off their own scores.

It doesn't rate them in waves because each time I do an update I have it overwrite the previous update and I actually upload all the scores that I have entered.

This could be a way to shed light on the "myth" that getting rated with pros increases your round ratings.

Just an FYI to Mr. "J", reading "anonymous" e-mail is not speeding up the process of getting the scores posted.

Ya know Hoyt Axton used to sing, "you work your fingers to the bone and what do you get...bony fingers." Jon, bust your butt and all you have is a hard time sitting.  Like I tell my kids, "it'll be done when its done."  If you fall asleep, crash your hard drive, dream of elves playing ninepins, or simply screw off, you will still get it done way before most others would.  But then again you have only yourself to blame by setting the bar too high by getting it done so damn quickly.  :P  Whatever and whenever should be good enough.

All pro and advanced scores have been entered.

Intermediate scores and unofficial ratings are up.

All scores and unofficial ratings are up.  

I'm starting to agree with whoever said that you can get higher ratings for the same score if you are rated with the Pros and Advanced.  e. g.--At the IOS#4 it rained during the Int/Rec rounds on the old course, and the rainless, Pro/Adv rounds still got a higher rating for the same score.

You could see that also just by comparing the scores of the pros before and after I added the Advanced field. Although the top of the pro ratings stayed the same, for the bottom of the pros their unofficial round ratings came down a few points after I uploaded the advanced field.

QuoteI'm starting to agree with whoever said that you can get higher ratings for the same score if you are rated with the Pros and Advanced.  e. g.--At the IOS#4 it rained during the Int/Rec rounds on the old course, and the rainless, Pro/Adv rounds still got a higher rating for the same score.

I predicted this effect based solely on the math a few years ago when the ratings formula was new.   The math geeks who were working on the formula cold not see it, probably because the effect has to do with how math interacts with real world variables.  Rapidly improving player drag down ratings for their pool.

It is hard to prove by examples because there are so many unaccounted variables, like the pros played over the sidewalk is o.b. on a particular hole and the amateur divisions did not.  Whenever I can find a tournament with no variables, it is usually there.  The NTs are often good for that.

I played the 2004 BHMO and can attest that we all played under the same conditions, pros in one pool, amateurs in the other.  Both days it was a little hotter and windier for the afternoon round.  Pros and ams each had one morning round and one afternoon round on the full course.  Both days the pro rounds are rated 13-20 points higher for the same course.  

The effect is more pronounced when the pool division is between Pro and Not Pro, rather than between Advanced and Intermediate.  The effect was non-significant at 2004 IOS 1 and 2.  

But the bottom line is, it does not matter because there is nothing wrong if a player wants to jigger his rating higher.  If you want to play up to the pro pool so that you can rate yourself out of Intermediate that much quicker, that works for everyone!  If you want to play up to the pro pool for the experience, but don't want to jigger your rating higher, on the last hole each round three-putt from ten feet.  Unless you normally three-putt from ten feet!  :lol:  

Or just make a mental not when comparing your ratings to the pros to add 12 points.

looks like possible rain for saturday...  I dont care about playing in it, I just dont want to get my new car dirty when I show up all muddy and wet afterwards.  :unsure:  

Series Points after IOS #4 are attached.

Please make sure to double check yours.  

There will likely be small amounts of "added cash" for Pro Masters and Pro Women at IOS #5 at Shady Oaks in Streamwood.  Kelsey will probably play Pro
Women and I will probably play Pro Master if I play.  Neither one of us will take any cash we might earn, so our entry fee is added cash no matter how we play.  

Another thing, we don't keep track of prizes that are inadvertantly declined.  If you finish in the prizes or cash and take off without collecting, it just goes back into the process.  We post payouts.  You can see before you leave how deep we are paying.  The payout skips over trophy-only players, so if it is close, ask or stick around for a bit.  

Anyone from Kenosha or Waukegan area heading down to Streamwood on Saturday?

Kyle, if you can get to my place you can ride with me....

We have room in the van for a rider from Libertyville.  

Diana wanted me to mention again that The Popstand will be at the tournament.  Due to the overwhelming popularity of the series this year, the Waterford Junior Girls Club has met their USWDGC fund raising goal for the year, but there is always next year.  

Anyone interested in preregistering please do so TONIGHT

The prereg page for IOS#5 will go offline tomorrow morning when I get into work.

Bruce has hooked up a qualifying event for Am Nationals for 2006, a Major Amateur event. As long as we get our scheduling done and go through correct procedures, one of the IOS legs will be a qualifying event.

For more information on Am Nationals go to http://www.amnationals.com/ (http://www.amnationals.com/)

I was going to hold off on announcing it until it was on the schedule, this being disc golf and all.  It is looking very good that way though.  

PREREG FOR IOS#5 IS CLOSED! See you at the tournament.

Weather.com says there's a chance of falling scorpions.  So, does Accuweather.

It is the right conditions for giant carnivorous fireworms too.  Bring some repellant.  

it won't rain this time.  i promise.

As long as the disc-eating manti are at bay, I'm there!

are  there master divisions offered on SAT ?

i asking for my buddy who is unsure what division to play

he doesnt play much and shot +18 at streamwood last week

im thinking he plays recreational

how much was that ace fund again ?

No masters on Saturday since the PDGA got rid of Intermediate Masters a couple of years ago. I'd agree on Rec. $600+

Sorry, no online scoring today, but you should see them tomorrow. Becky said she'd type them in during the day on Sunday.

Ace pool is capped at $750 for Sunday at Streamwood. Just like in Rockford, if one ace hits it pays $750. If two aces hit they split $750. If three or more aces are hit then they split all ace money.

Have a good night...these TDs are going to sleep!!!

Guys & gals, thanks for a great tournament! :D

Yes, thanks a lot for the tournament. It was the first tourney I've played in and it was a blast. We are baptizing my daughter the day of IOS #6 or I would definitely be there. Great job guys and gals! :D  

Scores are posted at pdga.com. Thanks to Becky we had Sunday scores posted BEFORE awards started and we started awards 5 minutes after the safari finished! That's as fast as we can do it unless we follow the safari with the laptop! I'm not sure why the first round of Saturday does not have unofficial ratings. I'll try to figure it out in the next day or two. Since we played the same course both times in similar weather the ratings will probably be close compared to each other.

Thanks to all for another fun event.

Any aces on Sunday?

Another great weekend for disc golf at Streamwood. 71 players Saturday & 47 on Sunday. Kent Schafer hit a skp ace on #7 for the $750.00 ace pool. Heeren tore it up in the Safari & came back to beat Rose by 1 in open.  

Ace pool starts at $127 for IOS #6 Discontinuum Blast. Some how after back to back events with $750 ace payoffs, $127 doesn't sound like much. However, if I hit it I won't be complaining!

I know that the Blast is just a trophy-only D-tier but since it is just one day I suggest pre-registering for this event.

Thanks for getting those scores online Jon! That's a big bonus. That was a tough Advanced Field today. 8 of the 22 adv players that participated have at least 1 advanced win this year.



I'll try to have 20 to 24 holes depending on how many portable baskets I can get. Sergio, Shawn, & Spike, can I barrow your baskets?


We'll have a max of around 100 to 120 depending on the # of baskets. The fewest # of players we have had this year is 100 & that was in cold & snow. The other 5 have had 120+.  Please pre-register for this event.  

Thanks again TD's et al for another great event!

Anyone know why the first round wasn't rated on am day?  There were more than enough gators within 70 points of their averages.

Great job on Streamwood guys.  

KVN, you should have your discs stolen (and recovered) more often, nice shooting.

Can we prereg for IOS#6 in person?  I was thinking of forking over the cash this Friday.

Brett takes in person pre-registration, so I'm sure you can register on Friday.

I'm going to try to replace all of Saturday's results sometime today and see if that gets the unofficial ratings. There's something broken, I just don't know what.

I sent an e-mail to David Gentry because I can't figure out what's wrong. If they can't figure it out for the unofficial I'm fairly certain it will be included in the official ratings.

Thanks Jon.

Thanks for another great tournament guys.  I had some heartbreaking holes, and didnt play too well, but still had a great time.  Met a few more people from the boards and played enough that my arm felt like it was about to fall off sunday morning.  Cant wait for the next one.  One of these days I am actually going to pull off a good tournament round   ;)  

Jon mentioned this before but I will say it again so that our volunteers don't feel under-appreciated:  Becky entered the score data for the on-line scoring.  That grunt work is the hard part of that job.  Thanks Becky.

QuoteI'll try to have 20 to 24 holes depending on how many portable baskets I can get. Sergio, Shawn, & Spike, can I barrow your baskets?

Not a problem. I even still have the letter on mine  :D

I'll make sure to get the basket to you in advance this time.

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QuoteI'll try to have 20 to 24 holes depending on how many portable baskets I can get. Sergio, Shawn, & Spike, can I barrow your baskets?

Not a problem. I even still have the letter on mine  :D

I'll make sure to get the basket to you in advance this time.

Thanks!!!  

Attached are the points after IOS #5. There are some tight battles. Don't forget it's the best 5 scores so some players will be dropping their lowes score after the next event.

Please double check your points to make sure there is no mistake. This document is now 16 pages long. That's a lot of players!!!

We did get a little bit of pub last week in the Pioneer Press papers. Check out http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-st...-05-655599.html (http://www.pioneerlocal.com/cgi-bin/ppo-story/sports/current/cg/08-11-05-655599.html)

I did not see points for Kiralyn Brakel or Jenny Fox.  In Men's Rec I think Paul Hnatin is the correct spelling and not Hnatiw.

QuoteI did not see points for Kiralyn Brakel or Jenny Fox.  In Men's Rec I think Paul Hnatin is the correct spelling and not Hnatiw.

Look for big bold lettering. They are in 1st in their divions :lol: .

Oh.  Go Waterford Junior Girls' Club!

Some of the IOS and Discontinuum guys enjoyed a heated e-discussion of non-PDGA member bagging issues today.  Because I've heard players discussing the issue at the course I thought I would just share a little.  When we got past the heat, this was the light:  if the non-members we looked at had been PDGA members for the past year, none would have ratings that would bump them up a division.  Some of them have certainly been improving and playing some good golf recently, though.

Anyway, no one should think that by not joining the PDGA someone therefore can play any division they want to at our tournaments.  We are aware of the issue.  But right now, it is not an actual issue, just a perceived issue.  

We will probably take a second look at the issue when the September ratings come out.  

QuoteIn Men's Rec I think Paul Hnatin is the correct spelling and not Hnatiw.

Hnatiw is the correct spelling  :blink:  

IOS#6 THE DISContinuum Blast is right around the corner. Please Pre-register for this event. I'm trying to get 22 holes set up so we have a max capacity of 110 players. I'd hate to see anyone not be able to play. We've had over 117 players at every event except IOS #1. We had 101 & it was cold & snowing.

Don't let the D-Tier scare you away. It's the same as a C-Tier. You will get to play for PDGA points and rating. The only difference for a C & D Tier is the amount the TD has to pay the PDGA.

The ace pool will start around $120.00

For the pros they will pay the normal $45.00 entry fee & has a normal IOS pro payout. We hold your money and give it back to you, less PDGA $2 fees.

On the amateur side it is a $10.00 entry fee, trophies and CTPs only, no-payout event. For every amateur who plays we will put $10 in value in CTPs on the course. "CTPs" include longest putts, longest drives, etc. We are experimenting to see if the players are interested in the concept. It will be a fun cheap day of at least 40 holes of disc golf. The pros will be there on the same day so you will get to see them play the safari. Chris Heeren is a 2 time defending champion.  

QuoteJon mentioned this before but I will say it again so that our volunteers don't feel under-appreciated:  Becky entered the score data for the on-line scoring.  That grunt work is the hard part of that job.  Thanks Becky.

I'd like to thank my high school typing teachers for my ability to input in a timely fashion.

Your welcome Bruce, Jon, and Brett!

QuoteI did not see points for Kiralyn Brakel or Jenny Fox.  In Men's Rec I think Paul Hnatin is the correct spelling and not Hnatiw.

I also don't see Barrett White's name from Open Women-she played at least one leg.

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QuoteI did not see points for Kiralyn Brakel or Jenny Fox.  In Men's Rec I think Paul Hnatin is the correct spelling and not Hnatiw.

I also don't see Barrett White's name from Open Women-she played at least one leg.

OOPS-now I see the bold leaders! Congrats to all :)

It must be psychological thing.  You see the bold italics, assume it is a header or something, and skip down to the next line.

You can see both unofficial round ratings for IOS #5 - Saturday at http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...=1#Intermediate (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5116&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Intermediate) . I sent Theo the file and he fixed it. Take a look at it quick though because Theo wants me to break it again to see if he can figure out what's going on. I'm going to break it again sometime tonight.

In my case, why did a round 1 56 get a provisional rating of 882 while a round 2 56 get a 892? In fact, seems like all round 1 scores are 10 points off their round 2 counterparts.

QuoteIn my case, why did a round 1 56 get a provisional rating of 882 while a round 2 56 get a 892? In fact, seems like all round 1 scores are 10 points off their round 2 counterparts.

Because Mike K shot hugely over his rating the first round which suppressed ratings for everyone else. The second round no one shot that much over their rating. I think Mike shot 60 to 80 points over his rating the first round.

Brasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated with results, points and entry fee for the Blast.

QuoteBrasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated with results, points and entry fee for the Blast.

The two-column part describing the Blast looks a little messed up.  Maybe you need to go back and look at that.

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QuoteBrasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated with results, points and entry fee for the Blast.

The two-column part describing the Blast looks a little messed up.  Maybe you need to go back and look at that.

Only for people with little monitors or big monitors with small resolution.

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QuoteBrasscash.com (http://www.brasscash.com) has been updated with results, points and entry fee for the Blast.

The two-column part describing the Blast looks a little messed up.  Maybe you need to go back and look at that.

OK, I changed it so that people who are looking at the page at a resolution of 640X480 or whatever it is that Bruce has his 14" monitor set to might be able to see something meaningful.

Thank you.  It is totally not messed up now.  

I have some CTP's to add to the event.

1. Innova Hat & Innova Mini
2. Discraft Hat & Discraft Mini
3. XL Milwaukee Open Shirt & Pumkin Mini
4. 2004 PDGA Course Directory & Gateway Double Mini
5. Marshall Street DVD & Towel + Discraft Mini for Ams
6. Marshall Street DVD & Towel + Ching Mini for Pros

Dan has a few items he's adding as well. I'll post those at a later date.

That is cool and generous.  Maybe we could run donated in advance CTPs as morning CTPs, and entry fee paid for CTPs as afternoon CTPs.  I'll look around for what I can donate.  

Dang was just looking at my soccer schedule and I have a game at 1, which means bus leaves at 11, leaving no chance to make the tourney.  Looking forward to the tourney at Fairfield though.  I want to try and play both days there to make up for missing this one.  

QuoteDang was just looking at my soccer schedule and I have a game at 1, which means bus leaves at 11, leaving no chance to make the tourney.  Looking forward to the tourney at Fairfield though.  I want to try and play both days there to make up for missing this one.

That is true only if you choose to play the soccer game and not the disc golf tournament.  If you are reaching the basket in two throws at #18 Fairfield, you probably have a lot more potential in this game than in soccer.

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QuoteDang was just looking at my soccer schedule and I have a game at 1, which means bus leaves at 11, leaving no chance to make the tourney.  Looking forward to the tourney at Fairfield though.  I want to try and play both days there to make up for missing this one.

That is true only if you choose to play the soccer game and not the disc golf tournament.  If you are reaching the basket in two throws at #18 Fairfield, you probably have a lot more potential in this game than in soccer.

either that or this boy belongs in the MLS.

Yeah those are valid statements but I have played soccer all my life and play all game every game at Harper as a freshman.  Plus not all of golf is long drives.  It is more consistancy and focus.  You do not see the long drive ball golfers in any of the major tours doing well usually.  I love both games but I am on a team and I can not let them down.  I like disc golf because it is an individual sport but if you miss a tourny you can only be mad at yourself, not have a bunch of peaple pissed at you.  

QuotePlus not all of golf is long drives.  It is more consistancy and focus.

ahh, so thats why i suck.

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QuotePlus not all of golf is long drives.  It is more consistancy and focus.

ahh, so thats why i suck.

Well, how do you think I feel. I don't even have the long drives to help me. Now to work on consitency and...


What were we talking about again?

QuoteI have some CTP's to add to the event.

1. Innova Hat & Innova Mini
2. Discraft Hat & Discraft Mini
3. XL Milwaukee Open Shirt & Pumkin Mini
4. 2004 PDGA Course Directory & Gateway Double Mini
5. Marshall Street DVD & Towel + Discraft Mini for Ams
6. Marshall Street DVD & Towel + Ching Mini for Pros

Dan has a few items he's adding as well. I'll post those at a later date.

These CTP's have been added. Thanks Dan & Mike
7. Frisbee Touchline 177 Under & 175 Over
8. Frisbee Touchline 173 Under & 175 True
9. Innova 174 DX Cheetah & mini + 161 #2 Helix
10. Gateway 176 E-Sabre & 169 G3i H Warrior

I have 5 portable baskets at my house right now. Sergio said it's ok to use his i'm getting Fred Vroman's.

I need 3 more baskets. Shawn, are you attending the Blast? If so, can I barrow Craig's & your basket?

Spike, can I barrow you basket?

Greg, you said you were going to attend and bringing your basket. Is this still the case?

I saw this at the PDGA website:
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PDGA to assist Hurricane Katrina Victims
The PDGA and disc golfers everywhere join the nation in expressing concern for victims of Hurricane Katrina. We are grateful to the many members who have contacted PDGA HQ with offers of assistance. This is to let everyone know that we are in the process of organizing a charitable event structure kicking off with the Southern Nationals Pro Championship, Sept. 3-4/05 in Holly Springs, MS. All player fees will be donated to a charity providing relief to Katrina's victims. Stay tuned for more details.

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Since we are not paying too much in entry fees for the Blast would it be worthwhile to collect some cash for a donation?  I know that we are all getting hit in multiple places and asked to dig into our pockets, but this might be worthwhile.  Just throwing this out there as a suggestion.  

QuoteSince we are not paying too much in entry fees for the Blast would it be worthwhile to collect some cash for a donation? I know that we are all getting hit in multiple places and asked to dig into our pockets, but this might be worthwhile. Just throwing this out there as a suggestion.

i think that is a great idea, good looking out chainmeister.

I borrowed my basket to Roundhouse for his event in October...  wasn't sure if I'd see him before the event again....

I have 2 Chings if you want them.

Here is the course routing for the Blast. Safair Hole #3 for the pros is SWEET!

yes that is a very fun hole.   make 1 good long drive to set yourself up for another 400 or so foot shot over the pond to try to get to the basket.  2 great shots can get you a 3, but its probably a par 5 since most people would rarely get a chance to really go for the green in 2.

QuoteHere is the course routing for the Blast. Safair Hole #3 for the pros is SWEET!

So #9 will be back across the creek? Did the collar get fixed or is it a temp basket?

I'm guessing K/L/M are across the road? J is somehow between #1 and #2?

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QuoteHere is the course routing for the Blast. Safair Hole #3 for the pros is SWEET!

So #9 will be back across the creek? Did the collar get fixed or is it a temp basket?

I'm guessing K/L/M are across the road? J is somehow between #1 and #2?

#9 will be moved across the creek & will be fixed.

KLM are across the road & J is between #1 & #2.  

The island hole is a little simpler than i've seen. We played a pretty tough island hole at Mid-Nationals.

With the various skill level players that are attending I shortened the hole to 205 feet. It takes a 175ft throw to get it into the circle. There is 30 feet to each side of the basket. A bad shot will miss the circle. I managed to do that yesterday.  

QuoteThe island hole is a little simpler than i've seen. We played a pretty tough island hole at Mid-Nationals.

With the various skill level players that are attending I shortened the hole to 205 feet. It takes a 175ft throw to get it into the circle. There is 30 feet to each side of the basket. A bad shot will miss the circle. I managed to do that yesterday.

Is this an actual or virtual island?  In other words is the disc at risk or just the stroke?  I can't visualize where this hole is.  Also, when will outlines exist so we can play the new holes even if baskets aren't there?  In any case, the new holes sound pretty cool. Thanks.

The island hole will have a rope circle around the basket. If you don't land in the isaland you get a 1 stroke penalty & go to the drop zone. There is no water involved.

I marked the 3 new holes across the street. They are marked with white paint. The 3rd one has 2 white X's for basket placement. We are playing the longer of the 2.

The other temps from last year are not marked. They won't be marked until that Friday before the event.  

Stupid Question: What's the entry fee (or where can I find them?) Are the trophy only fees for all the IOS the same fees for the Blast?

$10 for all amateurs (add $5 for non-PDGA members). Normal IOS entry fee and payout for all pro divisions.

Brasscash.com has all the info you want plus some you never wanted to know! (http://www.brasscash.com)

Thanks, Jon.

Is this right:

Registration closes at 9:30
Players Meeting at 9:35

Brett: What time would you like the basket there? Also, if it helps, my basket has the letter "G" on it from last year's Blast. Just thought for location purposes it could go back to that hole.

QuoteIs this right:

Registration closes at 9:30
Players Meeting at 9:35

Brett: What time would you like the basket there? Also, if it helps, my basket has the letter "G" on it from last year's Blast. Just thought for location purposes it could go back to that hole.

Those times are usually correct unless we get a large turnout then we usually push the player meeting back until 9:45.


The earlier the better. If we could get it out by 8:30am that would be great.  

It will definitely be there earlier than 8:30.

Thanks.

I'll be out at Bevier Wednesday & Friday getting the course ready. I'll spend about triple the time getting Bevier ready than any other course in the series. I'll be picking up garbage & doing some weed whacking tomorrow starting at 2:30. Once i'm done i'll play some. I'll be out there from 2:30 until dark on Friday painting & flagging tees, weed whacking, & getting rope ready. I'll be playing & taking registrations after.  

Info flyer to be handed out Saturday morning. Hole info on side 1, course map on side 2.

sorry about that... lets try this again

See the next post.

Okay, this one works for sure. Enjoy!

QuoteOkay, this one works for sure. Enjoy!

Nice work Mirth! That is A-Tier quality.  

Maybe I can get down there Friday afternoon. If I make it, should I bring the basket to give to you?

QuoteMaybe I can get down there Friday afternoon. If I make it, should I bring the basket to give to you?

That would work for me.  

Adrian Sr., Dan, Mike, & I did some work at Bevier today. Mike & Adrian Sr. picked up a crap load of garbage. I weed whacked back on C & around all the alternate tee circles. Adrian Sr. fixed #9's anchor for the long basket & painted the bridge on B. The course is looking nice!

Adrian also painted some rocks white to mark the tees on A, B, & C. All of us cleared the brush laying on the left side of B's fairway.  

Have fun gang!  Wish I could be there, but I've got a wedding to attend.  Nuts!!!!

That's a bummer Doug!


All 12 permanent baskets are flagged & have the orange crush tape on them. Boy do they glow!

Adrian Sr. is doing the final work on #9 tonight so it should be in the long position later this evening.

The Thorntons on the corner of 131 Green Bay Rd. & Sunset has regular unleaded for $2.76. It's only a couple of miles from the course.

Also, I will be buying some pizza after the event at Potesta's for anyone who helps take down the temp holes, flags, & signs. It is about 4 miles from the course. It's on 131 Green Bay Rd just North of 120. My limit is $50.00. It's always fun to hange out after an event & eat some ZA.

Have a good one guys. Wish I could be there though. We're having Ella's baptism this weekend and we have family in from out of town. I don't think they'd be too happy with me if I skipped out for a day of d-golfing. I hope to be at the last one. Looks like I should be able to make both #7 and the Widdershins as the Cyclones play away games those weekends.

QuoteHave a good one guys. Wish I could be there though. We're having Ella's baptism this weekend and we have family in from out of town. I don't think they'd be too happy with me if I skipped out for a day of d-golfing. I hope to be at the last one. Looks like I should be able to make both #7 and the Widdershins as the Cyclones play away games those weekends.

Sorry you can't make this one. Family comes first. I'll see you at Widdershins. I can't make IOS #7 on Saturday.  

The weather for Saturday looks great! 70-74 all day with wind less than 10 all day. I'll be out at the course around 2:30pm today until dark if you want to register. The course is looking great & we have around 40 players pre-registered.  

If there is anyone coming to IOS #6 tomorrow that has a Chainstar, Discatcher, or any type of DGA Mach2,3,5, please bring it. Currently I have my 2 Chainstars, the clubs 2 Mach 2's, & Bruce's Mach3. Sergio is bringing his Chainstar and Spike is bringing his Mach3. The other 3 baskets are going to be Discatcher sports or other portables like it. I'm hoping to upgrade those 3. Please PM me if you do. T
Thanks
Brett

The course routing is posted on the previous page of this thread in case you wanted to get some practice in today. Mirth posted it with an attachment.  

Brett, let me know if you still want/need my M14. I'd like to avoid bringing it if you don't need it.

QuoteIf there is anyone coming to IOS #6 tomorrow that has a Chainstar, Discatcher, or any type of DGA Mach2,3,5, please bring it. Currently I have my 2 Chainstars, the clubs 2 Mach 2's, & Bruce's Mach3. Sergio is bringing his Chainstar and Spike is bringing his Mach3. The other 3 baskets are going to be Discatcher sports or other portables like it. I'm hoping to upgrade those 3. Please PM me if you do. T
Thanks
Brett

I'll be bringing mine this afternoon. Hopefully I'll run in to you. Probably won't be until sometime between 3:00 and 4:00.

QuoteBrett, let me know if you still want/need my M14. I'd like to avoid bringing it if you don't need it.

I won't know until tomorrow morning if i'll need it or not. If possible it would be nice to have in case of an emergancy.  

Bevier is looking pretty sweet! The park district did a bunch of work today. I want to thank Adrian Sr., Dan, & Mike C. for helping me get the course set up!. I aslo want to thank everyone bringing a basket. Without those we wouldn't be plaing 2 rounds of 22 holes.  

Thanks guys for running a great event today and congrats to Brett for making his debut in Open Pro by taking 1st!

Sorry I couldn't stick around to help tear down the course. The wife really needed my help!

yeah, fun event today for sure.  congratulations Brett!!  1st Place in his 1st real Open event!  thats awesome.

I just wanted to thank everyone that made this event happen. Thanks to Adrian Sr., Mike, & Dan for the course work prior to the event. Thanks to Mike & Dan for helping me get the baskets up in the morning. Thanks to Mike, Dan, & David for helping tear down after the event. Thanks to Spike, Todd, Kurt, Mike, & Sergio for bring their baskets. Without you guys there is no way I could get the course set up. Between course prep, tee signs, rope, & portable baskets we probably logged around 40 hours between us this week. I hope you guys enjoyed the course. With the 10 teimp hole Bevier becomes the best course in Lake County for 1 day.

Thanks to all the players that showed up. You participated in the biggest event at Bevier to date. It grows every year. I hope you had fun.

Neal, I heard u think ur going to win Fairfield playing advanced!  u might be able to win as a caddy if you want to carry my bag, but otherwise its gonna be a long day neal   :D   last i checked u still make 15 footers look like 45 footers  :lol:

i'm just giving u sh*t buddy, but seriously, aim to win in 2006.  :)  

Isn't talking trash at children a misdemeanor in Illinois?   :lol:  

Great tournament, guys.  That course setup was really nice, a lot of interesting holes that were pretty tough.  Those final four holes were crazy.

24 hours later, scores and ratings are finally up at pdga.com.   ;)    

Quote24 hours later, scores and ratings are finally up at pdga.com.   ;)

Thanks for getting those results up Jon!

How much is the ace pool going into Fairfield?

QuoteGreat tournament, guys.  That course setup was really nice, a lot of interesting holes that were pretty tough.  Those final four holes were crazy.

speaking of the final 4 holes,  clearly all the practice that Brett and I put in on those holes really paid off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :lol:    at least i got over the pond on the 3rd hole. i definitely didn't want to lose my backup Orc on saturday.

note to self:  trying to throw the disc through a wall on every shot will get u into alot of trouble.

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Quote24 hours later, scores and ratings are finally up at pdga.com.   ;)

Thanks for getting those results up Jon!

How much is the ace pool going into Fairfield?

I can report on that later tonight after I get home from work. I think we took in around $200 in ace pool money, but I'll double check at home. It will be over $300 for sure for Fairfield.

QuoteIsn't talking trash at children a misdemeanor in Illinois?   :lol:

neal is in college and therefore is of legal age

Jon

You put everyone else to shame.  Indiana State Championships was six weeks ago and still no results.

And I didn't even have Becky to help me this time!  :D

By the way, Michler played trophy only and did not win any cash. I'll fix the pro payout at home tonight.

QuoteAnd I didn't even have Becky to help me this time!  :D

By the way, Michler played trophy only and did not win any cash. I'll fix the pro payout at home tonight.

Becky did so much work at the tournament you were not so tired on Sunday!

The ace pool is close to $300 now, as I recall.  But Jon has real numbers.

QuoteAnd I didn't even have Becky to help me this time!  :D

By the way, Michler played trophy only and did not win any cash. I'll fix the pro payout at home tonight.

I do not accept cash winnings, but i do accept cash donations.

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QuoteGreat tournament, guys.  That course setup was really nice, a lot of interesting holes that were pretty tough.  Those final four holes were crazy.

speaking of the final 4 holes,  clearly all the practice that Brett and I put in on those holes really paid off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :lol:    at least i got over the pond on the 3rd hole. i definitely didn't want to lose my backup Orc on saturday.

note to self:  trying to throw the disc through a wall on every shot will get u into alot of trouble.

Watching everyone dive out of the way when you threw out of those bushes was hilarious.  I cant believe anyone even found your disc.  And then there was the 30 person search team that took way too long to realize Brett's disc was sitting 5 feet above all of our heads, clearly visible.  Kurt taking a 3 on that third safari hole was incredible.  What a comeback.

yes, Kurt Raff's 3 on the 3rd Safari Hole was definitely the highlight of the tournament in my opinion.  We practiced that hole several times and a three is awesome.  he made a perfect drive, threw a perfect shot that cleared the pond (thats a longer distance than it looks by the way), and then sank a 45 footer for the par.

i tried to kill that drive on the 2nd safari hole, which is what i did only it was in the wrong direction  :lol:   i also have no idea how Clark found that thing.  had that putt stuck in the chains i could have saved a 4 on that!  oh well.

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Quote24 hours later, scores and ratings are finally up at pdga.com.   ;)

Thanks for getting those results up Jon!

How much is the ace pool going into Fairfield?

Ace pool starts at $319 for Fairfield. (that was $127 rolled over from the reserve plus $192 collected at the Blast)

Attached is the overall series points after 6 events. There are some super tight battles.

I am especially interested in the Intermediate battle!

It would be no battle if I could play fiarfield!!!!!!   I am in 2nd by 2 points and have only played 4 legs of the series.

I am playing fiarfield but just not intermediate because I am rated just over 915. So now I just have to smoke Dan at fairfield in advanced.

i can't wait!

Now that we have a website, let's have a tournament!  Anybody look good for the weekend after the Homie?

The overall trophy discs are looking good.  I'll post a pic tonight.  Also, if you want to know what the overall disc is for a particular place and division, I'll check for you.  Depending, maybe you want to shoot for third rather than second!  

what is it for advanced.

Here's a pic of the trophy disc in the pic.  I've forgotten what division and place it is.  O.k., Rec 2nd.  If the picture turned out good, a lot of them look like this.  

It might look better live and in person.  Everything looks crappy on this monitor.  

Here are the happy pumpkin minis I've been working on.  I had to photoshop the color, but I think this is what they look like in real life.

I'm in need of someone, preferably a club member, who is willing to play club merch man and possibly take Widdershins preregistrations this weekend at Fairfield.

Can I buy a club membership at Fairfield?  Does it cost any more or less to do it online rather than in person?

It will cost a couple bucks more online than in person due to the service charge.

And yes, club memberships will be available at Fairfield. Also, starting this weekend new club memberships will be good for 2006 as well!

Can I renew at Fairfield for 2006?  It is so much easier to renew in person with cash that I have not had an opportunity to grow fond of yet...

QuoteCan I renew at Fairfield for 2006?  It is so much easier to renew in person with cash that I have not had an opportunity to grow fond of yet...

Yes, renewals can also be paid @ Fairfield.

I'm sure we'll be doing the PDGA thang again this year too, so people looking to renew their PDGA memberships while saving $5/person (if family) can do so through the club.

registration is from 8 to 9:30 both days, right?

Yup.  That's what it says at brasscash.com.

Just a friendly reminder that tomorrow is the last day to preregister for IOS #7. The prereg pages will likely go offline tomorrow evening after 8PM.

Additionally, any mailed preregistrations sent to Brett that were not received by last Friday will not get to me in time for the tournament. You will have to pay your registration the day of, and we'll shred your check that was mailed.

Question that I hope someone can answer:

I know at a couple of the events this year Marshall Street had sent DVDs/towels as prizes. I was wondering if someone could let me know a contact name at Marshall Street to see if they could donate some items to a fund raiser tournament here at Parkside. You can PM/EMAIL or post here.

Thanks,
Sergio

QuoteQuestion that I hope someone can answer:

I know at a couple of the events this year Marshall Street had sent DVDs/towels as prizes. I was wondering if someone could let me know a contact name at Marshall Street to see if they could donate some items to a fund raiser tournament here at Parkside. You can PM/EMAIL or post here.

Thanks,
Sergio

Brett is the one who made that contact. He's at the USDGC so you might want to repost after the weekend if he doesn't see this post.

QuoteQuestion that I hope someone can answer:

I know at a couple of the events this year Marshall Street had sent DVDs/towels as prizes. I was wondering if someone could let me know a contact name at Marshall Street to see if they could donate some items to a fund raiser tournament here at Parkside. You can PM/EMAIL or post here.

Thanks,
Sergio

try this info.   marshall street (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/contact.html)

i'm pretty sure he just called the guy and asked.

Weather looks good throughout the tournament weekend!

I just came out here to post that.  Sunny, dry and cool.  Not bad at all for October.

are there any plans for alternate holes either of the days?

No alternate holes.  No additional holes.  No temporary baskets of any kind.

O.K. This may be a silly question, but what is Fairfield like? On the website, the open holes reminde me of Channahon, while the holes in the woods remind me of Mokena/ West Park. Am I kind of right, or am I totally wrong? What courses in the Joliet area can I practice at to better fit my mind for the tourmanent?

was the sunday fairfield course at last years IOS the same as the one will be this year?

QuoteO.K. This may be a silly question, but what is Fairfield like? On the website, the open holes reminde me of Channahon, while the holes in the woods remind me of Mokena/ West Park. Am I kind of right, or am I totally wrong? What courses in the Joliet area can I practice at to better fit my mind for the tourmanent?

That could be a fair comparison.

Quotewas the sunday fairfield course at last years IOS the same as the one will be this year?

The plan is: We are going to have the in bounds landing areas on 12 and 18 larger than last year. The swamp on those holes will still be OB. The rope island hole on 5 will be much larger and rather than have a drop zone, you will take your next shot after going OB from where you were last in bounds. There will not be rope OB on hole 2.

The reality is: Bruce will be putting the rope out early Sunday morning. I'm sure volunteers that help him stake down the rope will be able to help define the OB lines.

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Quotewas the sunday fairfield course at last years IOS the same as the one will be this year?

The plan is: We are going to have the in bounds landing areas on 12 and 18 larger than last year. The swamp on those holes will still be OB. The rope island hole on 5 will be much larger and rather than have a drop zone, you will take your next shot after going OB from where you were last in bounds. There will not be rope OB on hole 2.

The reality is: Bruce will be putting the rope out early Sunday morning. I'm sure volunteers that help him stake down the rope will be able to help define the OB lines.

Do you mean Saturday morning?  Or are the OB and Island Holes only for Adv/Pro?  Is the swamp going to be roped off, or is there a defined grass line now, like there was at Streamwood?  Could I possibly ask any more questions?

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Quotewas the sunday fairfield course at last years IOS the same as the one will be this year?

The plan is: We are going to have the in bounds landing areas on 12 and 18 larger than last year. The swamp on those holes will still be OB. The rope island hole on 5 will be much larger and rather than have a drop zone, you will take your next shot after going OB from where you were last in bounds. There will not be rope OB on hole 2.

The reality is: Bruce will be putting the rope out early Sunday morning. I'm sure volunteers that help him stake down the rope will be able to help define the OB lines.

Do you mean Saturday morning?  Or are the OB and Island Holes only for Adv/Pro?  Is the swamp going to be roped off, or is there a defined grass line now, like there was at Streamwood?  Could I possibly ask any more questions?

The question was asked about Sunday and the response only applied to Sunday.

All of the OB on the course will be defined by yellow rope. The only other OB would be to throw off the course (ie over the farmer's fence, onto Fairfield Road, in the parking lot, etc.).

so it will be easier than last year? im just asking to compare my scores to the ones posted last year

Quoteso it will be easier than last year? im just asking to compare my scores to the ones posted last year

yall need to quit asking about the yellow rope for sunday cuz i don't think ur really gonna know until that day.  it might be ridiculous or it might be fun, but either way we're just gonna have to try our best with whats there.

Quoteso it will be easier than last year? im just asking to compare my scores to the ones posted last year

It will be "easier" if you stay IB than if you go OB!  ;)

The nice thing about yellow rope is that you can move it when you want to. If conditions change, Bruce may opt to use less yellow rope. We are trying to design it a little bit differently than last year to take the roulette feel out of #5 and hitting IB on 12 and 18. We want to make it challenging but not to the extent where people think WTF, close their eyes and hope for the best. If that means easier to you then yes, it will be easier. There is a fine line between challenge and random luck...we are trying to get away from the random luck factor.

Thanks to Neal Swanson and whoever else helped him mark out a 10 meter line (jump putt line) around all the baskets at Fairfield!  It looks awesome guys.  Also thanks to Rocky Pebbles who put flags down for all the teepads.

There were a lot of players on the course this afternoon.  I think we will have a good turnout.  Hole 8 is longer than last year with the redesign.  The other woods holes are more open every year.  The way disc golf courses evolve and mature, year to year comparisons are not always accurate.  

Holy Shiznatchel!  90 players today!  a fivesome on every hole.  it was a windy bastidge, but sunny and nice.

Kevin Lenth won the tightly contested battle for overall 2005 IOS Intermediate champion.

It was my first time playing at Fairfield and I think it is a nice course. I shot a 12 up (66) my first round and a 5 up (59) the second round. I'll be there for the next IOS, this time from the first tournament.

Bruce, Jon, you guys run a very good tournament and I'll be back, hopefully for many years.

Mike  

Scores are uploaded at pdga.com. Unofficial ratings are refusing to calculate so that will have to wait for Theo to fix next week. Good night!

HOLY SHITE! 90 players, sweeeeeeeeeeet.

50 players for sunday. 140 for the weekend!

Sunday first round scores are up and of course the unofficial ratings loaded without any problems!  :angry:  I REALLY want to see my unofficial ratings for Saturday!

Anyway, check 'em out. Spike had the hot round 45 for a 1033 unofficial rating!

Thanks to Brett, Jon, Bruce and all the other Brakels for a very smooth series. You people work way too hard.

I had maybe four decent rounds the whole friggin series - I missed Parkside but played Fairfield twice since I was determined to prove I couldn't possibly shoot as badly as I did Saturday <_<  - but on the whole I'm still glad I played.

Wow! What a weekend! Fantastic weather plus a lot of good disc golf played. Bruce was saying on Saturday that there is a warm feeling when you look out and see a course packed with people playing a tournament. And I replied that I always think "It's nice that all of my friends came out to play disc golf together today!" Maddisen then asked me if they are all my friends. And I said yes they are. We are all friends in disc golf! I am kind of reserved and quiet in public. Some people think that I am aloof, but really I am just quiet and not a boisterous kind of guy in public. So, I'll take this opportunity to shout out to everyone who played this year in the Illinois Open Series. Thanks for playing the 2005 IOS and I look forward to seeing all of you at the 2006 IOS opener!!!

---Jon, your friend in disc golf!

(Oh, and Becky is working on the second and final 4 rounds from today and we'll have them posted soon.)

And now they are up! All results from IOS 7 have been posted at pdga.com.

Jon, Bruce and Brett and to all of Discontinuum ....

Thank you for putting on such a tremendous set of events known as the Illinois Open Series.  I believe you are setting a standard that others may wish to follow.  Hopefully, all of us that participated took into account all the time that you spent on this series. Thanks also go out to those that volunteered, without which it would have been difficult at best.  I've only spent a year or so competing, but as I attend different tournaments, I always catch myself comparing it to how the IOS was run.  Perhaps as we go back to our home courses and compete in local tournaments we can share with local TD's what we saw ... and we should also consider volunteering ... it makes things run so much smoother.  As the old adage goes "Many hands make light work".

Jon, you are my friend in disc golf.  I enjoyed when we were in the same 4-some at Streamwood.  Thank you also for your assistance in helping me with some of the PDGA issues involving tournaments and scores.  Hopefully one day I might run a tournament myself ... but as I have learned ... I won't do it alone.  I will find some good disc golf friends to help and some willing volunteers.  And by the way, if you need a hand some time when I am there, don't hesitate to ask.   :D

Lastly, (I know I rambled up there)  Michael and I will be back in 2006.  I plan on spreading the word here in the Joliet area ... and we'll break more attendance records!!! B)

I want to say thanks to Mirth for handling preregistration this year. That is a ton of work!

I also want to thank Dan, Mike, & Adrian for helping me with course work, set up, & tear down.

Thanks to Neal for painting the 10m circles at Fairfield and to Rocky for putting up flags in my absence on Saturday.

Sorry if I missed anyone.  

Thanks Jon (everybody's buddy), Bruce, Brett and all the minions that helped set up Fairfield...Bevier, Anna Page, Lippold, Madison Meadows and Parkside.  This was my first season playing and I mostly threw plastic at trees all summer.  You guys made each tournament a delight to play.  My score did not matter.  It was great to be out there, to meet new players and to throw.  Saturday I played my worst round ever and thats are hard standard to beat because there have been plenty of lousy ones.  However, I got to play with everybody's good friend Jon and my friend Douglas who came along just for grins.  Notwithstanding wearing out my arm from so many throws, it was a blast.  In the afternoon I got to play with two up and coming young guns, Michael and Neal and learned a lot from kids my kids' age.  I also got to play with KVN's better half, Jill.  All in all, a great day in the park with the foilage at peak and the breeze blowing pretty stiffly.  Thanks again guys. :)  

We all got home safely at 3:00 a.m.  It was smooth sailing all the way from the Edens to my driveway except for a strange detour through downtown Kalamazoo.  For some reason the highway was completely closed down there, but they had traffic cops on every corner of the detour so we did not get lost.  

I'd like to thank every player who ever paid cash for a disc all summer long.  Our payout formula, with no deductions for PDGA fees, trophies and CTPs, and the 15 brass player pack, means that we come pretty close to breaking even on the tournament process most of the time.  When we come out well ahead on these events, it is always because of cash sales.  And we have to come out ahead to keep doing it.  

This was a great series.  I've been associated with some great serieses, and for amateurs this is the best thing I've ever seen.  The attendance has been unbelievable.  The 42 player Recreational field on Saturday will probably be the largest recreational men's field anywhere in the world for 2005.  As our players improve and move up through the amateur divisions, in a couple of years we should have huge advanced attendance as well.  

The Widdershins is in two weeks.  It is an unsanctioned Discontinuum event.  They will have Gateway player packs and a brass cash payout.  I'll be back for that.  See you all then.

Just a note about the yellow rope:  Someone pointed out that the rope on 12 and 18 rewarded the players who could throw far and reach the wider landing zones.  Disc golf is like that isn't it?  Players with skills always have the unfair advantage!   :lol:  

With my elbow injury I can't throw that far anymore so I threw a short hyzer on 12 and a short straight shot on 18, and had to get birdies on other holes to make up for it.  I never went o.b. all day but I had to make some decisions.  

Anyway, the yellow rope cost some money, so now we have to use it!   :D  

Jon,

Any idea when the the rounds will be rated for Saturday's IOS7 on the PDGA website?

QuoteJon,

Any idea when the the rounds will be rated for Saturday's IOS7 on the PDGA website?

I gave them a couple of days with the site being down before asking them again. Gentry e-mailed me today and needs some more information from me. I've sent him that, so barring another drop of the server, I'm hoping in the next week.

QuoteJon,

Any idea when the the rounds will be rated for Saturday's IOS7 on the PDGA website?

When the template for uploading scores malfunctions like that, it is something the TD cannot do anything about.  It becomes a PDGA-IT issue that Theo or someone has to fix.  From the look of things at pdga.com, Theo and their IT people are currently fully engaged in another project, trashing the program that runs the message board in an effort to make it a members-post-only message board.  

My guess is we won't see ratings on those scores until December.  However, the wind on Saturday was about as wicked as the yellow rope on Sunday, so Sunday's ratings should be close to SAturday's.  

We gave out the Jr. <19 overall trophy to the wrong person. If Steven Guther and Chris Travern want to organize a playoff to break the tie for first that they are in, then they have until 12/31/05 to play it off and report back to me who won. If they need my help contacting each other, then please contact me. If neither of them contact us before then, then no official disc will be given out. If only one of them contacts us then it will be given to that person--he wins the playoff by default. I'm not going to ask the guy who got it by mistake for it back, but if he would like to give it back, I'll take it. Otherwise I will ask Bruce make a new one.

I appologize for this error and hope that it did not cause anyone any problems. It is really Bruce's fault though...he said after awards that this was the first tournament where we didn't make any major mistakes! Think again bro!  <_<

Jon I will be at the Widdershins Open and give you the disc back.  I have not even thrown it but it is currently in Bryan Schumann's hands so I will get it back for you.

QuoteJon,

Any idea when the the rounds will be rated for Saturday's IOS7 on the PDGA website?

David Gentry e-mailed me yesterday and said that he was going to try to work on it in the next few days he told me to e-mail him to remind him if he hadn't fixed by the end of next week.

I just finished the upper division points. I'll be working on the lower divisions tonight & tomorrow then posting the overall points. All I have left are Rec & Int divisions.


Congrats to the Champions!

Open
Kurt Raffensperger

Masters
Spike Walker (Club Member)

Open Women
Barrett White

GrandMasters
Ron James

Advanced
Dan Michler (Club Member)

Advanced Masters
Adrian Gutierrez Sr. (Club Member)

Advanced GrandMasters
Johnse Holt

Advanced Women
Kelsey Brakel

Intermediate
Kevin Lenth (Club Member)

Intermediate Women
Kira Brakel

Recreational
Jason Poole

Recreational Women
Jennifer Fox

Jr<19  
Steven Guther
Chris Traven
*Tied/Awaiting Playoff*

Jr<16
Michael Apostolou

Jr<13
Billy Dickenson

Attached are the final points for the 2005 IOS Series.

So we had about 475 players play at least one leg of the Illinois Open Series?  

QuoteSo we had about 475 players play at least one leg of the Illinois Open Series?

When I pasted that into a spreadsheet and did a filter for unique records (filtering out the duplicate people that played more than one division), I came up with 505 players.

Then think about this:  if each of those 505 players were to play just three tournaments, that would be 1515 players at 7 tournaments, or 216 players per tournament.  If every one of those 505 players were to play just one more tournament, we'd average 72 more players per tournament than this year.  

I think we're gunna need a bigger boat!  :D  

I have a table i'll post when I get home. I'm going to use this to track progress year to year.

Well, this development should help keep attendance down:  the non-member fee in 2006 will be $8 per tournament instead of the current $5 per tournament.  

QuoteWell, this development should help keep attendance down:  the non-member fee in 2006 will be $8 per tournament instead of the current $5 per tournament.

Is that set in stone or a rumor?

Stone.  But the PDGA Board has been known to "rechisel" unpopular decisions that come from the blue like this with no apparent thought or rationale.  I started a thread under Rules and Standards at PDGA.com.  Maybe it will get some traction.  

I'm not certain it is a bad thing.  I don't know what to think.  It will create room on the lower day.  It should decrease the amount of work Jon has to do.  It will get some non-members to join.  It will cause some non-members just to play unsanctioned tournaments.  We will still be running the best events there are for Chicagoland amateurs.  

It also might get those who are already members to play under their PDGA # rather than make up a fake name so it allows them to play in the rec division rather than int. At least that's what one kid I played with first round said he does. During the round I thought it was odd that he said he wasn't a PDGA member, but, was using a PDGA numbered mini.  

Attached is a chart I put together to track attendance.

In 2004 the IOS averaged 85 players per event.
In 2004 that avearage increased to 128.29

898 players played in 7 events this year. I think it's possible to push that over 1,000 player next year. The trophy only option was not popular at IOS #6. Subtracting that event the average for 2005 increases to 136.83.

QuoteWell, this development should help keep attendance down:  the non-member fee in 2006 will be $8 per tournament instead of the current $5 per tournament.

Today, Theo announced that the PDGA BOD has revoted and will NOT be increasing non-member fees for 2006.

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QuoteJon,

Any idea when the the rounds will be rated for Saturday's IOS7 on the PDGA website?

David Gentry e-mailed me yesterday and said that he was going to try to work on it in the next few days he told me to e-mail him to remind him if he hadn't fixed by the end of next week.

David e-mailed me again over the weekend and said that he has not had any time to fix this so it will probably have to wait until the December update.

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QuoteWell, this development should help keep attendance down:  the non-member fee in 2006 will be $8 per tournament instead of the current $5 per tournament.

Today, Theo announced that the PDGA BOD has revoted and will NOT be increasing non-member fees for 2006.

Thats good; Gary Lewis was talking to my dad and I told my dad about it and he told Gary. Maybe this will help to make Gary run sanctioned tournaments for Ams and Juniors. He was worried that the increased fee will turn away even more than the normal fee. Well, my dad told Gary about IOS# 7 and he was suprised.

My dad checked at his work and IOS#7 results are official.

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QuoteWell, this development should help keep attendance down:  the non-member fee in 2006 will be $8 per tournament instead of the current $5 per tournament.

Today, Theo announced that the PDGA BOD has revoted and will NOT be increasing non-member fees for 2006.

Thats good; Gary Lewis was talking to my dad and I told my dad about it and he told Gary. Maybe this will help to make Gary run sanctioned tournaments for Ams and Juniors. He was worried that the increased fee will turn away even more than the normal fee. Well, my dad told Gary about IOS# 7 and he was suprised.

We were surprised too.  We do our best % payouts for intermediate and recreational players, but since a lot of the payout is in the player pack and the CTPs we don't expect anyone to notice.  Also, in the past it has been that intermediates and recs only play their home course tournaments and are ill-informed about other tournaments.  IOS 7 seemed to suggest that all that is changing.  Maybe it is the internet.  

Anyway, we think it is best for disc golf to build a good base of lower skill level players, and we do our part by offering good events for them to play.  If more TDs do that, it can only help grow the sport.  

So were there not enough gators for IOS#7 (Sat)? I finally became a PDGA member at that tournament and I didn't get a rating for it. I also don't see round ratings (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5119#Intermediate) either.

the PDGA takes down round ratings for tournaments that are accepted for the next ratings update (december).

If you look at Sunday they've also taken down the unofficial ratings.

QuoteSo were there not enough gators for IOS#7 (Sat)? I finally became a PDGA member at that tournament and I didn't get a rating for it. I also don't see round ratings (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5119#Intermediate) either.

There was a problem with the upload program so it didn't generate unofficial ratings. Official ratings won't be posted until they become official at the next ratings update in December. We had plenty of Gators!

Need some info & making sure it's accurate.

Shane Rose ace on #4 on Original Course @ Rockford for $750.00

Kent Schaffer ace on #2 or #7? @ Streamwood for $750.00

Brian Lahey ace on #8 for $??? @ Fairfield.

Was there an ace on Sunday at Farifeld? If so, who, what hole, how much?  If not, how much is rolling over to the first event next year?

There was an ace on sunday at FF.  Saw the guy make but cant remember his name.  I think dan was in his group though.  Was on hole #4 of the second round.

yeah it was monroy.  thanks for helpnig me remember  :lol:  

Does anyone know the exact dollar amount these guys got for their aces last year?


IOS #7
Brain Lahey, Hole #8, $5??.??

IOS #7
Monroy Gowens, Hole #4, 1??.??

I thought there was two aces hit on Sat.