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Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on February 21, 2005, 08:26:53 AM
FYI

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Osseo WI 54758

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Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on February 21, 2005, 08:28:03 AM
For Wakanda the same weekend... slightly cheaper entry for both..
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on February 21, 2005, 08:31:28 AM
even more info..
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: airspuds on February 21, 2005, 09:18:01 AM
why have events on the same weekend  only 30 miles apart

i love eau claire tower ridge

wakanda is a nice park also

Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: mirth on February 21, 2005, 09:52:14 AM
One is a saturday only tournament, the other is sunday only.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: airspuds on February 21, 2005, 11:42:45 AM
according to pdga site

sat    ams at tower ridge
       adv/pro s     wakanda
sun   ams at  wakanda
       pros  at  tower ridge

i dont have issue with it but i was curious (never mind)
i played tower ridge last year but wont be able
to make it this year


ok i read the first flyer i get it now seems like great idea since
the cities are pretty close to each other

Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brice Baker on March 16, 2005, 10:55:49 AM
Are any of you playing the Warm-Up this weekend?  

The girls, Chelsea and Carolyn, were looking for ANY excuse not to be home Friday night because the menu says, "Spinach Pie," which they think is an incredible waste of perfectly good pie crust.  

The nearest tournament this weekend involves too much rock climbing.  The next closest tournament is being run by a TD who is brazenly advertising that it is an am-scam event.  

So, there is about a 50/50 chance we might come out.  I bought a membership back in 2001 but never played a sanctioned tournament.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brice Baker on March 17, 2005, 12:25:20 PM
The weather report for Janesville for Saturday just refuses to say anything positive at all.  The hourly forecast is for rain all day.  We will probably keep it local and casual this weekend and save the road trip money for another time.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on March 17, 2005, 12:30:15 PM
good call.  its snowed here all day brice baker.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: discglfr on March 17, 2005, 03:57:24 PM
Is anyone planning on coming up to Janesville this weekend?  Here is my post that I have the PDGA message board:

As most of you have seen, there will be a small, fun, D-tier event this weekend in Janesville. It is the "WI Tour Warm Up". You can find some details on http://www.widiscsports.com/assets/wtw1.pdf (http://www.widiscsports.com/assets/wtw1.pdf) .

The "ams" mean Am, Adv, Am Women, etc and "pro" means, Pro Master, Pro Women, Pro Men, etc. I am leary about how many trophies to have made since they will cut into the small payout and because it's hard to gauge how many people will be there.

On behalf of all the divisional winners, I will be cutting checks to whichever WI Tour Stop they wish to attend. Also - you do NOT need to be a PDGA member for this event but if you haven't already re-newed, I will have the info there and I will gladly send it in for you.

E-mail me with questions - terry@prodiscgolfer.com


PS - Brice - Were you referring to my event as not being the one with too much rock climbing but as an 'am scam' event?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on March 17, 2005, 04:03:22 PM
QuotePS - Brice - Were you referring to my event as not being the one with too much rock climbing but as an 'am scam' event?
Actually, neither. I think Brice was referring to the two events that were actually within a few hundred miles of him. Your event is a haul for him but since he wasn't interested in the events close to him, he was considering a road trip to your event.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: discglfr on March 17, 2005, 04:48:16 PM
I understand now.  Jon - are you or anyone else planning to come check out the event?

Ter

PS - We are looking to have the World Champ onsite as well!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brice Baker on March 17, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
The disc golf rock climbing event just got moved to a flatter venue!  Turns out the rocks are too icy to climb in March.  Duh!  

The TD for the am-scam event is advertising on his website that there will be absolutely nothing added to the amateur divisions beyond what is required for a C-tier.  He already has $1500 in amateur preregistration.  He's promising up front that he is paying out no more than 85% at retail after making every permitted deduction.  That guy has cahones!  You gotta admire that while making the mental note never to play there again.  

So, Birgitta is coming?  Brad Hammock?  That Kelsey Brakel kid?  There are sooo many World Champs.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on March 17, 2005, 06:55:56 PM
brice,
What tournament are you talking about?  Since I don't know where you live around and I would like to know about certian events to miss.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on March 17, 2005, 08:30:17 PM
QuoteI understand now.  Jon - are you or anyone else planning to come check out the event?

Ter

PS - We are looking to have the World Champ onsite as well!
I really wanted to but I'm driving to Delphos, OH right after our club meeting on Sunday, so I have to get some stuff done on Saturday.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on April 09, 2005, 10:53:44 AM
Praire Open has been changed from a C-teir to a B-teir.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on April 18, 2005, 12:00:19 PM
At Tower Ridge this weekend Sean Butler tied 2nd in Open.  Pat Blake tied for fifth I believe.  Keith Warren didn't even come close to cashing.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on April 18, 2005, 02:19:08 PM
QuoteAt Tower Ridge this weekend Sean Butler tied 2nd in Open.  Pat Blake tied for fifth I believe.  Keith Warren didn't even come close to cashing.
Awesome Sean!!!  That is unbelievable.  How did Brian, Fred, Tom, and Jose do?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on April 18, 2005, 04:50:36 PM
Jose finished tied for second, Brian finished tied for sixth, Fred finished tied for ninth, and Tom finished out of the money.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on April 18, 2005, 04:53:00 PM
wow, u guys did awesome!  how many players were in advanced?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on April 18, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
I would guess between 35-40 Advanced.  There was a full 90 players in the field and nice 10 min. waits on hole 1, 3, 5, 7, and 18.  Nothing like being in a groove and then you reach a huge bottleneck.    
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on April 20, 2005, 06:48:50 PM
so who won tower ridge?  was barry there?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: D on April 20, 2005, 07:55:55 PM
Sean has mad skills
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on April 20, 2005, 09:46:56 PM
Quoteso who won tower ridge?  was barry there?
from looking at the pdga site it looks like Barry was at Brian Schweberger's wedding....
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on April 21, 2005, 10:48:50 AM
schweberger's wedding is on the pdga tour schedule?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: D on April 21, 2005, 10:53:30 AM
schweb sent me a happy bday message on pdga boards..

so i should have been at his wedding.. you guys know how i roll :D
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 09, 2005, 07:57:06 AM
Anyone planning on playing the Fox Valley Open this weekend (May 15) in Appleton?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on May 12, 2005, 05:59:09 PM
does anybody know what the Max field is for this Appleton tourney?  Sure looks like its filling up quick.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 13, 2005, 08:04:07 AM
Carla emailed Ken yesterday and he said there is still spots available. You can email him to find out. Are you planning on playing? If so, are you going up on Saturday?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 16, 2005, 10:35:00 AM
Awesome course at O'Hauser Park. 5 Discontinuum members in attendance (listed in order of finishing):

Brett C.      Tag#1
Sergio C.    Tag#2
Joe W.        Tag#3
Dan M.        Tag#30
Carla G.      Tag#55
 
I'm not sure about all the scores but I know I had a two stroke lead going into the second and unfortunately couldn't hold on. I did, though, only have one bogey and one double bogey the whole day (42 total holes). That in itself was rewarding on a very difficult course (in my opinion). Brett came back to beat me by one (taking third). I tied for fourth. Don't recall what Dan and Joe did. Carla won the Intermediate women's division...her second black disc.

Just a reminder: PRAIRIE OPEN (http://www.prairieopen.com) is the same weekend of IOS #2. Divisions are opposite days.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: CEValkyrie on May 16, 2005, 11:19:04 AM
That course was very fun! I'd like to get back & play it again.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on May 16, 2005, 02:55:28 PM
O hauser park is a pretty sweet course.  the tourney format was very unique.

as far as the competition goes, i had some serious tough times out there.  :(
can't wait for lombard!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: CEValkyrie on May 18, 2005, 07:06:55 AM
Results are posted.

http://www.aadgc.com/foxvalleyopen.html (http://www.aadgc.com/foxvalleyopen.html)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 19, 2005, 01:17:20 PM
Congratulations to Adrian Jr. for winning the Wisconsin Junior Disc Golf Under 16 Division Championship.

Results are posted here: http://www.aadgc.com/wjdgc.html (http://www.aadgc.com/wjdgc.html)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: CEValkyrie on May 19, 2005, 01:22:03 PM
Sweet! Congrats Adrian Jr.!! I see you beat a Schultz. Any relation?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on May 19, 2005, 05:24:20 PM
QuoteSweet! Congrats Adrian Jr.!! I see you beat a Schultz. Any relation?
Barry's got a nephew that was at the last two Worlds with him, and I saw him at Manitowoc a couple yrs ago, might be about 13-14 now...?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on May 19, 2005, 07:51:43 PM
Hell yeah Adrian!  nice win!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on May 19, 2005, 08:14:43 PM
I congratulated Adrian Jr. in person on Sunday, but the win deserves another. Congratulations Adrian!!!

Adrian Sr. was a proud papa on Sunday!  :D  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Bruce Brakel on May 19, 2005, 11:00:45 PM
Congratulations Adrian!  Way to represent and pull off the cross-border state championship trophy raid!  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Adrian Gutierrez jr. on May 20, 2005, 05:12:19 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate it.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: D on May 20, 2005, 05:31:51 PM
props jig ;)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 23, 2005, 01:08:10 PM
Prairie Open (http://www.prairieopen.com) updated pre-registered field as of May 23. The website hasn't been updated yet:

Advance Masters Am
1      Bassett   Jim
2      Grosstueck Paul

Advanced  Am Men
3      Grosstueck Jeremiah
4      Andrews   Mark      
5      Brodlo   Robert
6      Cira   Marcus
7      Correa   Sergio
8      Costa   Yohann
9      Hamm   Josh
10      Hoelscher   Justin
11      Mitchell   Jeff
12      Reed   Luke
13      Thusius   Kevin
14      Wilson   Travis

Advanced Am Women
15      Bolchen   Sonja

Adv. Masters Am Men
16      Halaska   Gene
17      Nichols   Steve

Intermediate Am Men
19      Brunner   Anthony
18      Clark   Paul
20      Cohn   Steve
21      Hill   Ray
22      Jaeger   Andy
23      Locke   Chris
24      McGoldrick   Dan
25      Peck   Brian
26      Wanninger   Mark
27      Wendt   Woody

Intermediate Am Women
28      Bergles   Melissa      
29      Cole   Anna
30      Gomez   Carla
31      Janczak   Jessica
32      McGoldrick   Carrie
33      Malm   Nadine

Pro Grand Masters
34      Conniff   Pete
35      Jacobson   Randy
36      James    Ron

Pro Masters Men
38      Harbeck   Dan
37      Kauffel   Paul
39      Kozlencer   Todd
40      Paulson   Eric
41      Pazanin   Paul
42      Strait   Tim
43      Wendt   Brad
44      Wield   Dennis

Pro Open Men
45      Bolchen   Shaun
46      Brock   Matt
47      Butler   Sean
48      Jungwirth   Jim
49      Miller   Terry
50      Miller   Dane
51      Schwieger   Mike
53      VanDeurzen Jon

Recreational Men
52      Curran   Keith
54      Gomez   Tony
55      Koch   Matthew

Sorry it's not in order but I'm sure you guys will figure it out.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: mirth on May 23, 2005, 02:39:38 PM
whats max field?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2005, 04:22:53 PM
I thought that Hamm was suspended for 3 months, do you know what Denis is going to do?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on May 23, 2005, 04:28:45 PM
QuoteI thought that Hamm was suspended for 3 months, do you know what Denis is going to do?
He's not on the PDGA suspension list that came out today.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on May 23, 2005, 04:31:34 PM
QuoteI thought that Hamm was suspended for 3 months, do you know what Denis is going to do?
I heard about another WI player recently that is going to be suspended, but I didn't hear about Hamm.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on May 23, 2005, 04:40:22 PM
There is a Wisconsin player on the suspension list that came out today but it is not Hamm. The list never says how long the suspension is. I don't know if they've ever posted the info for the public.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Bruce Brakel on May 23, 2005, 05:36:13 PM
The suspension on that Wisconsin player is three months, from May 8 to August 8, I believe.  What did he do?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on May 23, 2005, 05:39:28 PM
8)  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2005, 06:34:24 PM
QuoteThe suspension on that Wisconsin player is three months, from May 8 to August 8, I believe. What did he do?

If the player is Jason Hamm it is because he was turned in for smoking pot during the Tower Ridge Open.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on May 23, 2005, 06:36:17 PM
I do not believe that was Jason Hamm. I think it was another Jason.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: CEValkyrie on May 23, 2005, 06:38:02 PM
Due to an infraction of the illegal substance use rules the PDGA disciplinary committee sent me the following information:



Effective Monday, May 16th, Wisconsin disc golfer, Jason (Vincent) Holmes has been suspended from all PDGA tournaments for a period of 3 months.  As of August 16th he will then be placed on a 1 year probationary period.  Jason is NOT ELIGIBLE to compete in PDGA sanctioned events.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 24, 2005, 07:06:44 AM
QuoteI thought that Hamm was suspended for 3 months, do you know what Denis is going to do?
No, it wasn't Jason Hamm...it was Jason HOLMES. Really too bad because he's a pretty good player. Looks like he's been struggling a little lately. If his suspension is from May 8 until August 8 then he shouldn't have been allowed to play in the Fox Valley Open, which he participated.

Sorry, didn't read Brett's post about the name of the golfer.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on May 24, 2005, 07:12:00 AM
Quotewhats max field?
I'm not sure the max field numbers...unfortunately I don't think we'll max out. It would be nice to close to it. If I recall correctly, past Prairie Open's were maxed at 90 per day.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on June 13, 2005, 09:53:53 AM
Baraboo Lions Open, June 11-12

Advanced Am (Mike Batka took first place with a -10):

T3. Sergio C. (-7)
T7. Joe W. (-4)

Intermediate Women:

1. Carla G. (+6)

Open: Terry Miller won (can't remember score; I know he was -13 first round and under par second round.)

Wasn't a great turnout but was a fun time.  We played the short tees first round and long tees the second round. Extremely warm/blazing hot temperatures. Could have really used a pull cart considering the amount of water/Gatorade that was in the bag.

Next Stop: Pickle Open in Sheboygan at Vollrath Park
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on June 16, 2005, 07:48:08 AM
Anybody else going to the Pickle Open?

I am spending the weekend up there with the wife and kid, staying at the new water park, and probably playing Adv. Master on Sunday.

This is always a very fun tournament with extra games and lots of prizes. The course is pretty short, but hole #13 on Lake Michigan is great.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 19, 2005, 10:20:15 PM
Really gorgeous weather up there this weekend. I believe they had another full turnout on Sunday. The winner shot something like -24 for 20x2 holes.

I shot -15 but came up one friggin shot short of winning Adv Masters. Would've tied for pro GM. I gained a stroke on the last hole so it wasn't like I choked at the end. On the contrary, I choked on the first 3 holes of the 2nd round (I was one back at the start) but managed to make 'em all back by the end.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on June 20, 2005, 08:13:27 AM
Congratulations Damon! you played great and nearly beat the Wisconsin Tour's most notorious sandbagger.

This was one of the most fun tournaments I've ever been played. The weather was perfect, and the TD Ryan and his support staff Dennis and Leroy and others did great job. They are very friendly and hospitable up there.

I shot -5 for the day which earned me a split of 5th and 6th spots plus 1 CTP and 1 game prize, so I got out of there with a very nice short stack of plastic.

Manitowoc is next month, another don't miss event.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 20, 2005, 08:38:04 AM
QuoteCongratulations Damon! you played great and nearly beat the Wisconsin Tour's most notorious sandbagger.
A sandbagger, by definition, is someone who artifically inflates his handicap (or lowers his rating in disc golf) in order to gain an advantage. Since there is no rating cap for Advanced divisions how could this player be sandbagging? It is absolutely impossible, by definition of the term, for anyone playing in an advanced division to sandbag. The only way to "sandbag" in Advanced Masters is if someone underage were to lie about their age in order to play in the division.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 20, 2005, 08:38:29 AM
Nice shooting Damon!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Bruce Brakel on June 20, 2005, 08:59:56 AM
Am Master is not for a player of a certain skill it is for a player of a certain age.  If you only want to play with am guys over 40, play am master.  If you only want to play with intermediates, well in this case you'd have to play a different tournament.   <_<  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on June 20, 2005, 09:02:11 AM
QuoteA sandbagger, by definition, is someone who artifically inflates his handicap (or lowers his rating in disc golf) in order to gain an advantage. Since there is no rating cap for Advanced divisions how could this player be sandbagging? It is absolutely impossible, by definition of the term, for anyone playing in an advanced division to sandbag. The only way to "sandbag" in Advanced Masters is if someone underage were to lie about their age in order to play in the division.
Jon

Perhaps sandbagger is the wrong label for the guy, in the old days that was always the term we used, but how does the PDGA address a guy who beats the same group of peers over and over for years and never moves on or gives anyone else a chance. Furthermore rumor has it this guy sells the plastic he wins for a profit. He's made a business of it
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 20, 2005, 10:16:23 AM
Quote
Perhaps sandbagger is the wrong label for the guy, in the old days that was always the term we used, but how does the PDGA address a guy who beats the same group of peers over and over for years and never moves on or gives anyone else a chance.

Just for the record, I avoid calling him a sandbagger.  ;) You can't force someone to turn pro, so under the PDGA guidelines he's got every right to stay where he is.

To me it's a bit of a puzzle, since if I could play consistently at his level I'd want to raise my game and play in a division where I wasn't winning all the time (and it's not 'all the time'; just ask Pat  ;)  )   I dug my own hole yesterday so it's not like I didn't have a chance. But I'm not gonna try beating him on his home course in Manitowoc so I'm playing pro GM next month; it's only $5 more and I don't need the plastic.  :P

QuoteFurthermore rumor has it this guy sells the plastic he wins for a profit. He's made a business of it.

Well, yeah, but he's certainly not alone. That goes to the whole am/pro/semi-pro argument, a situation I think is full of holes. And is another thread.

So I'm not defending him - I think the situation is a little pathetic, really - but there's really not much that can be done about it.


And I'm clearly unmotivated at work today.....   B)  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 20, 2005, 11:27:20 AM
QuoteJon

Perhaps sandbagger is the wrong label for the guy, in the old days that was always the term we used, but how does the PDGA address a guy who beats the same group of peers over and over for years and never moves on or gives anyone else a chance. Furthermore rumor has it this guy sells the plastic he wins for a profit. He's made a business of it
The PDGA is not addressing that issue as far as I can tell. The fix for the problem is either a ceiling on amateurs, which just seems wrong to me, or get rid of the merchandiserama format. The problem is that if the PDGA gets rid of the merchandiserama format then I think they will lose their amateurs to non-sanctioned merchandise based tournaments. They will then, in turn, lose their big pro "added" cash. Most of the "added" cash comes from the amateur base in one way or another. Shut down the merchandiserama format and the pro cash cow dies...or really the cow gets born again under a different name.

Perhaps Nick Kight is right. Maybe we need a division that doesn't have prizes so that we can put a rating cap on the merch division but leave no rating cap on the "Nick Kight" amateur. No one would play the division, but at least those of us who feel that making someone turn pro is wrong can just point to that division and say "If you want to be a career amateur you have to play over there once your rating gets over 975 (or whatever the ceiling might be)."
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on June 20, 2005, 11:34:41 AM
If an advanced player like the one I'm referring to could play pro or pro master and take their winnings in funny money and protect their am status I'd be happy.

What do you think of that idea?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Bruce Brakel on June 20, 2005, 12:05:49 PM
I think the solution is simple:

Approximately 50% of the players at any tournament can play in a lower division than the one they signed up for.  Those players need to shut up or move down.  If you are a recreational or intermediate rated player playing in an advanced division and you are calling anyone a bagger, you are the problem.  And if you are playing a tournament where you cannot move down because the TD does not offer lower divisions, you need to ask yourself if you should be playing that tournament.  No one has an obligation to move out of an advanced division so that you can win against weak competition.  The top amateur divisions are for the top amateur players, and people who want to get their butts kicked by them.

Second, I think the problem at the top of Advanced, where there are 50 players rated over 955 still playing advanced, could be solved by capping advanced at 955 and creating a new division for amateur players over 955.  There would be so few players in this division at any particular tournament that the payouts would be small and there would be no financial incentive to stay here.  

We have little control over what the PDGA does.  We can control what we do.  

As for amateurs selling the stuff they win, that is just part of the merchorama system or whatever Jon called it.  It seems to me that the only ams not selling the stuff they win are the ams playing up who aren't winning much.  All the stuff I win at my tournaments and other TDs' tournaments I just throw back in the merch boxes.  I have seen my merch in other TDs' boxes so I know that they are doing the same thing.  

Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 20, 2005, 01:44:02 PM
Then the problem in Advanced Masters is a PDGA problem. According to the PDGA all Masters aged men should also be Advanced in skill because the PDGA doesn't offer any lower Masters divisions.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on June 20, 2005, 01:50:25 PM
Intermediate Masters was the perfect division for me and I believe for many of the guys I'm playing with. I would love to see it restored.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on June 20, 2005, 03:16:56 PM
Steve Nichols is the guy they are talking about...  He has won 10 of the last 17 events he has played and never finished less then 2nd on the other 7...  Yes, he is a BAGGER....   I heard that he is staying an AM till the 2007 worlds in Milwaukee..  Is it fair?  NO..  Can he do it? YES.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on June 20, 2005, 07:54:14 PM
i believe there are lower divisions in which an advanced masters player can play.  intermediate and recreational are both available.  plus you can play against a larger field that way.  just a suggestion.  obviously i'm not quite masters age yet, but i guess i don't personally understand why any amateur masters divisions are even needed.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on June 20, 2005, 08:19:50 PM
looks like the dude ur talking about is rated 941.  thats a little low to be able to do much in Pro master, but if i were him i would just play Advanced and probably stop picking on the small field of adv. masters, some of whom only play advanced masters to play with people their own age.  but then again i'm not him so as long as he's playing by the rules i guess there's no point in worrying about stupid sh*t like who is sandbagging and who isn't.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 20, 2005, 08:25:36 PM
Quotei believe there are lower divisions in which an advanced masters player can play.  intermediate and recreational are both available.  plus you can play against a larger field that way.  just a suggestion.  obviously i'm not quite masters age yet, but i guess i don't personally understand why any amateur masters divisions are even needed.
You've got a point Dan; I think historically it's been considered more of a 'social' thing, although I don't have a problem playing with you little b---s when the situation presents itself.  :P . The thing at Highbridge is a nice setup - purely ratings-based - and I wish I could go.  <_<

I've only been playing since 98, when I was well past 40 already (Vollrath had been there for 20 yrs and is 4 blocks from my mother-in-law's house - I'd barely noticed  :(  ), but wasn't Masters originally 35/over, and GM 45/over, and they bumped it up? And as I recall, PDGA was going to dump Adv GM completely but a lot of geezers complained about it. Now you've got Brad Hammock, one of the stronger players overall, cleaning up in Masters and people are bitching. Ron Russell is technically a Master but he hasn't 'aged up' yet. Maybe they'll bump it up another 5 yrs?

Personally, I'll still play Int when the schedule fits mine and it's sanctioned, as I'm certainly an intermediate player. I think the IOS concept is starting to have an impact, as the Prairie Open and Peoria both had sanctioned Ints this year, and I've only seen that one other time in either IL or WI since I've started playing!

I might even play both days this weekend if I don't collapse from heatstroke on Sat. (95!? yikes!)  since I can also play adv Masters on Sunday.  Age has its benefits. ;)  

Jon, you gonna take the plunge into Adv Masters at Manitowoc next month?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 20, 2005, 08:35:12 PM
Quotelooks like the dude ur talking about is rated 941.  thats a little low to be able to do much in Pro master, but if i were him i would just play Advanced and probably stop picking on the small field of adv. masters, some of whom only play advanced masters to play with people their own age.  but then again i'm not him so as long as he's playing by the rules i guess there's no point in worrying about stupid sh*t like who is sandbagging and who isn't.
another good point, Dan. That's two in one day. You're on a roll.  :P

Again, for the record, I understand some of the bitching, but me personally, I've got no problem with it. I had my chances yesterday and didn't come through. He's playing by the rules. I'd do it differently, but that's me. I had a great time (easily my best tournament ever, even though I feel I didn't really shoot that well!?) and he's a nice guy. Onward...
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 20, 2005, 08:48:57 PM
oh yeah, some young Sheboygan punk aced the 305' Lake Monster hole (#13) w/ a Roc in the group right behind us yesterday. We were standing by the tee for #14 right as it cruised in. That was cool.  B)

There were only 2 aces yesterday, which is certainly unusual for that course, but then again Aaron Wield wasn't there.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: kyle on June 20, 2005, 09:20:02 PM
QuoteI think the IOS concept is starting to have an impact, as the Prairie Open and Peoria both had sanctioned Ints this year, and I've only seen that one other time in either IL or WI since I've started playing!
The Prairie Open has been sanctioned for all AM divisions all 3 years its been around. It just didn't always have enough gators to get us ratings.
(I just wish Manitowac and some of the other WI events would start sanctioning their Am days now.)

Speaking of Manitowac, I've played the course a couple of times, but never made it up there for the tournament. How is it? Good player packs?
I'm considering it, but $30-35 for an unsanctioned event makes me think twice.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 20, 2005, 09:47:02 PM
Quote
QuoteI think the IOS concept is starting to have an impact, as the Prairie Open and Peoria both had sanctioned Ints this year, and I've only seen that one other time in either IL or WI since I've started playing!
The Prairie Open has been sanctioned for all AM divisions all 3 years its been around. It just didn't always have enough gators to get us ratings.
(I just wish Manitowac and some of the other WI events would start sanctioning their Am days now.)

Speaking of Manitowac, I've played the course a couple of times, but never made it up there for the tournament. How is it? Good player packs?
I'm considering it, but $30-35 for an unsanctioned event makes me think twice.
I played Manitowoc on Saturday their 1st year (I think I missed the 2nd year, I actually had a music gig as I recall); everybody got at least a disc then, maybe two (I even got a disc returned for a change), and I think it's gotten better since then.

You know what the course is like (I love it), and the vibe is great. I know the Sunday player packs are fine, so go for it either day. You should shoot fine even if you reg for Advanced on Sunday.

Although, yeah, Sat should be sanctioned too.  ;)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on June 21, 2005, 09:14:14 AM
I didn't see lower AM scores for the Pickle Open on PDGA.com. I assume it wasn't sanctioned?

FYI: Carla won Intermediate Women by 2 strokes...another black disc.

Black Disc Count:
Sergio (0)
Carla (5)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 21, 2005, 10:47:22 AM
QuoteJon, you gonna take the plunge into Adv Masters at Manitowoc next month?
I've been thinking about where I should make my 1st Masters appearance. I should play somewhere this year as a Master since this is my "bagging" year...although not by skill, by age. Had I been born 12 days later I would have had to wait another year to play Masters!

Manitowoc sounds inviting. If I can make it do you want to car pool Damon?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 21, 2005, 11:41:49 AM
Quote

Manitowoc sounds inviting. If I can make it do you want to car pool Damon?
Jon, I'm going up the day before and staying in Sheboygan again. At this point it's a family trip, but I'll talk to you this weekend about it.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Bruce Brakel on June 21, 2005, 11:47:47 AM
QuoteI didn't see lower AM scores for the Pickle Open on PDGA.com. I assume it wasn't sanctioned?

FYI: Carla won Intermediate Women by 2 strokes...another black disc.

Black Disc Count:
Sergio (0)
Carla (5)
I'm fairly certain the lower day was unsanctioned.

We always sanction all divisions at IOS tournaments.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on June 22, 2005, 09:56:55 PM
I don't have a problem with Steve Nichols playing Adv Masters any more. I did the first year I played. He is within his rights to do so. I know if I to win a WI Tour tournament I have to beat Steve. That's what I told Tom Jenkins when he asked me about it at the Tour Finale last year.
Steve sells the plastic he wins and so do I if I can find someone who throws the Discraft I seem to win. Not many of those people around here. So I give a lot of it to my son and his friends.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on June 23, 2005, 02:06:23 PM
Anyone planning on playing in the Badger State Games this weekend? Not a Wisconsin Tour event but should be a fun time.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on June 23, 2005, 03:04:03 PM
I guess I'm not. Preregistration is closed.

I plan on playing. Have to send in my registration today.

Pat
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on June 23, 2005, 08:31:49 PM
the badger state games doesn't appear to be on the tour page so i'm assuming its not sanctioned, correct?  
(+$1   :ph34r: )
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: shawn on June 24, 2005, 04:11:04 PM
Right...  non-sanctioned.

Play for medals, no payout.  I believe you get a shirt also..  maybe a clif bar or something also..  I played in it a few years ago, was fun.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on June 24, 2005, 04:52:38 PM
You have to be a resident of Wisconsin to play.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on June 28, 2005, 07:40:35 AM
Awesome time!

87 players played on Saturday (Singles)
30some players on Sunday (Random Draw Doubles - Open Division/Amateur Division)

Some of the results can be seen at THIS PAGE (http://www.sportsinwisconsin.com/bsg/index.php?category_id=973#finals_discgolf)

Saturday:
OPEN
Gold: Terry Miller
Silver: Don Barrette
Bronze: Mike Schwieger

ADVANCED MEN:
Gold: Sergio Correa
Silver: Jason Smith
Bronze: Mike Batka

AMATEUR WOMEN:
Gold: Carla Gomez
Silver: Nicole Sauer
Bronze: Nadine Malm

My first advanced division tournament win! Saturday played first round short tees, second round long tees.

Sunday: Random Draw Doubles/Only two divisons (Open/Am)
OPEN:
Gold: Barry Schultz/Zac Cobus (-14)
Siver: Sergio Correa/Todd Ebbens (-13)
Bronze: Dane Miller/Johnny Pecunia (-10)
4th place: Joe Weitzel/Brent Baartman (-9)

Todd and I definitely missed some opportunities. We threw -5 the first round and a -8 the second. Open Division played long tees both rounds. If you're familiar with Token Creek, the baskets were in the longest pin placements all weekend. Barry and Zac birdied 3 of the last 4 holes to secure the win.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on June 28, 2005, 05:08:09 PM
Congradulations on the win Serg.
I wish I could have been there.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on June 28, 2005, 07:52:41 PM
nice shooting serg and congratulations on winning.  sounds like a good time.  you and todd shot awesome in the doubles it looks like!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Jon Brakel on June 30, 2005, 07:34:52 AM
QuoteJon, you gonna take the plunge into Adv Masters at Manitowoc next month?
Hey Damon, is Manitowoc cartable? And is that the course that we played two years ago after the safari in Sheboygan?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on June 30, 2005, 01:16:12 PM
Quote
QuoteJon, you gonna take the plunge into Adv Masters at Manitowoc next month?
Hey Damon, is Manitowoc cartable? And is that the course that we played two years ago after the safari in Sheboygan?
Yes. and Yes. 5 additional holes - we played one of them, after #9, from the top of the hill to the practice basket; Then there's a short but vexing tunnel shot to another practice basket before #10; 3 temps - a couple of pretty long ones next to the Army lot across the road; and a 5th one that's been challenging but kind of dumb in the past; they keep changing it.
Title: 2005 WI Events
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Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: damonshort on July 18, 2005, 08:41:58 AM
Keith Warren's back.

no pun intended, he apparently had a problem with his back.

He won at Manitowoc yesterday with some ridiculous score and beat Chris Heeren by one.  -26 or something like that for 46 holes.

Full field of 135 both days. I got to play both rounds w/ Duster, who edged me out for 'last cash' in open GM, which I wasn't going to take anyhow.  :P  It was fun to complain about the design of the course with the guy who designed the course.

Duster's caddy the second rd was Barry Schultz's nephew; nice kid, 14 or 15. Duster says he's already throwing 300+ and his driving/putting style is exactly like Barry's. Duster was *his* caddy on Saturday.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dennis Miller on July 20, 2005, 09:24:37 PM
Looking at the results of Manitowoc I see Steve Nichols would have won the Masters division which paid $528!  He would have cashed in Open also.  I guess he really wants to be an Am player.  Go figure.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on July 21, 2005, 06:05:14 PM
You should have stuck around for his acceptance speach. It was priceless.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on July 21, 2005, 07:38:05 PM
QuoteYou should have stuck around for his acceptance speach. It was priceless.
Why don't you fill us in a little...
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: pat on July 21, 2005, 09:31:53 PM
It went something like.

Pro Masters $528.
Advanced $232.
Advanced Masters $171.

Beating all of you....... PRICELESS!!!

And then he stormed off.

Ahh, Steve. Making freinds every where he goes.  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: circkml on July 22, 2005, 05:27:22 AM
Where are the results posted for Manitowoc?  
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on July 22, 2005, 05:36:06 AM
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_...urnID=4763#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4763#Open)
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Mitch on July 22, 2005, 07:30:50 AM
QuoteWhere are the results posted for Manitowoc?
The AM results are not up yet Kevin, but I can understand wanting to see your name in lights, CONGRATULATIONS!
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: circkml on July 22, 2005, 09:21:13 PM
Thanks Mitch. I wanted to see the round ratings too.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: kyle on July 31, 2005, 09:23:22 PM
Anyone playing the Milwaukee Open?
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on August 01, 2005, 09:25:12 AM
Carla and I plan on playing. When I talked to Kurt Raff at Rockford he said there were about 35 people pre-registered. Field is limited to 120.
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: Dan Michler on August 01, 2005, 10:21:45 AM
brett and i are both preregistered
Title: 2005 WI Events
Post by: SERG on August 25, 2005, 09:49:46 AM
Anyone planning on playing the Mad City Open this weekend? I emailed Nellie Vallarta-Ast and she said there were plenty of spots open for Sunday.

I'm looking to drive up with someone. Carla lives in Madison so there's a place for people to stay.