Someone wake me up when ratings get posted? My guess is that I will be rated 874! :D
I stayed up late last night working on a 50-sticker mosaic dyed disc and playing Scrabble with Michelle Wade. But really I was hoping to get ratings. My rating is just going to drop a point or two due to the new system, but I was curious about Kelsey's rating.
hey look, brett's a 959! (+4)
I really did go from 868 to 869, maybe MTL really wasn't lying when he said he had the ratings...
bruce - 937 (+2)
kelsey - 804 (+5)
jon - 878 (+4)
danimal - 936 (+5)
Lots of increases. I'll post more tomorrow. Illinois finallly has a 1000 rated player. Congrats Kris Hutter.
Welcome to the advanced division.
Adrian Sr. 918
Brian K. 920
Sergio C. 930
Mirth, if you have time can you update the members page with ratings? If not, i'll do it late tonight.
looks like I have to play advanced now, +18 on this rating update.
I've been playing Intermediate this year. Finally I IS one!!!
QuoteMirth, if you have time can you update the members page with ratings? If not, i'll do it late tonight.
done.
the system uses your 8+ most recent rounds that are within the standard deviation? wonder how long until my sub 840 rounds will disappear.... Of course, I guess this means I need to get a little more consistent! :)
QuoteQuoteMirth, if you have time can you update the members page with ratings? If not, i'll do it late tonight.
done.
the system uses your 8+ most recent rounds that are within the standard deviation? wonder how long until my sub 840 rounds will disappear.... Of course, I guess this means I need to get a little more consistent! :)
I think it uses more than just your most recent eight. But it double weights your most recent eight rounds.
The new formula uses your last year's worth of rounds. Bad rounds drop out automatically after a year. But, if you don't have eight rounds in the last year they will reach back up to another year to get eight rounds.
Under the new system more of your bad rounds are going to be included in your rating. Most players won't be dropping any rounds at all. The only way to get rid of a bad round is to make sure you get in eight rated this year and then wait for it to drop off.
QuoteQuoteMirth, if you have time can you update the members page with ratings? If not, i'll do it late tonight.
done.
the system uses your 8+ most recent rounds that are within the standard deviation? wonder how long until my sub 840 rounds will disappear.... Of course, I guess this means I need to get a little more consistent! :)
THANKS MIRTH!!
Kelsey Brakel is tied for the 50th highest amateur women's ratings!
Brett is in the top 50 for amateur men, but I didn't count how many. My guess just looking at the list is about 30.
Kelsey doesn't care. She only cares about how many men she beats and how much Barratt beats her by. She knows how good all the rest of the women are. And she also knows that she is not quite as good as a fat, broken down, old man throwing with his off hand.
I forgot to tell her today, "When you can snatch this pebble out of my hand, grasshopper..." but I did beat her by one at league!
Intersting (or not) ratings facts:
Brett is the highest rated amateur in Illinois. There are only 38 amateur men in Illinois with an Advanced rating. There are 37 rated pros in Illinois. Four of them have sub-advanced ratings. Only 1 pro in Illinois has a 1000+ rating. That's Illinois' number one rated pro (and the answer to the trivia question "Who won the first Illinois Open?"), Kris Hutter, coming in at an even 1000! There are 3 rated pro women in Illinois and 11 rated amateur women. There are 156 rated amateur men in Illinois. The lowest rated amateur "man" in Illinois is named Michelle and played one event...in the women's division. I'm guessing this is a mistake! :D
Interesting facts part deux
Brett is in the appropriate division. He is a high AM. However, some knucklehead recently said he was sandbagging by playing AM. He would be well over #500 if he was a pro.
I had the pleasure of playing with young Kelsey during the round where she went over 800. Way to go girl. And no, I was not the lowest rated AM in Illinois! Damn close, but not at the bottom. Too bad, we could have had the bookends. ;)
QuoteInteresting facts part deux
Brett is in the appropriate division. He is a high AM. However, some knucklehead recently said he was sandbagging by playing AM. He would be well over #500 if he was a pro...
I totally agree. There are about 90 pros with ratings of 1000+ which is why I think once a person reaches a rating of 1000 they might want to think about turning pro. But that decision really is up to each player individually. Some guys turn pro earlier and some later...people should respect other people's rights to decide when and if to turn pro.
Pointing out that Brett is the top rated amateur in Illinois really illustrates where Illinois currently falls in the competitive arena of disc golf. Brett is the big Am fish in a small Am farm. If Brett were going to Worlds this year, according to ratings, he'd finish somewhere around 40 or so. At Worlds Brett is a medium Am fish in a big Am farm.
Brett is in the right division because he has not taken sanctioned pro cash. Period. End of argument. If there was an Amateur Open division we'd move him up but there isn't so the whiners just need to take it up a notch, or move down to a division indicated by their rating.
Any other argument requires that all the rest of us accept the whiners' values. But we aren't playing by their rules; we're playing by PDGA rules. Under PDGA rules advanced is for the best players who have not taken pro cash, and for pros rated less than 955 at events which are not Majors.
Usually the whiners are the 900 rated players who fancy themselves as advanced. ["Fancy" in this context is an English verb for fantasize!] They need to move down and win a little against the rec players who are hiding from Kelsey in intermediate. :D
Sandbagging is when you trash your rating or handicap to qualify for a lower division than you would otherwise be eligible to play in. I'm going to play left handed until my right arm comes back from the shop. When I get my right arm back you can all call me a sandbagger. ;)
There is a difference between not going pro and sandbagging. Was everyone chanting, "Move up!" at the star juniors at the end of the NCAA basketball championships? I doubt it. Some NBA scouts were, I'm sure! :lol:
holy moly. check out Brian Skinner's prelim rating on his 3rd round at the Virginia Open yesterday. 1115! thats crazy.
Just a note about the July ratings update and IOS #3. First a quote from Chuck Kennedy:
QuoteThe cutoff date for events to be in this ratings update was Friday, June 24th. Reports had to be to Dave Gentry by then.
Jon did not get the IOS #3 report done on time because IOS #3 was held on June 25 and 26.
Congratulations to Allen Mirth Short for shooting his way out of Rec! That was the only member of la familia that I saw who moved divisions on this ratings update.
I lucked out and had no change instead of the drop I was expecting.
Steve also broke the 875 mark, but he's been playing Int. anyways.
I'd expected to go down, but I stopped in the PDGA chat room and there was some guy in there who supposedly had access to the updates a couple hrs before they were posted. He said I'd gone *up* to 890. But it was posted as 877. And the avg for my rated rounds does come out as that. Whatever. :blink:
I contacted Wilbur to try to see why the old guys and Ints didn't get rated in Peoria. That would have helped a little.
The same guy told me I had gone to 890 as well. Must have been the stock answer.... :-/
Does anyone know why the Pickle Open (6/19/05) didn't make the update?
The rounds are rated on the event page, but nothing on the players detail page.
QuoteDoes anyone know why the Pickle Open (6/19/05) didn't make the update?
The rounds are rated on the event page, but nothing on the players detail page.
Maybe the "official" report hasn't been submitted yet.
in order for events to be included in this most recent update, the TD report had to be submitted by the 24th of June. Just having round scores entered into the site isn't good enough....
So, how does the PDGA calculate ratings once they've decided what rounds will be counted. Basically, I took all of my rounds that had a "yes" by them and averaged them. I came up 5 points short of the rating the PDGA gave me.
QuoteSo, how does the PDGA calculate ratings once they've decided what rounds will be counted. Basically, I took all of my rounds that had a "yes" by them and averaged them. I came up 5 points short of the rating the PDGA gave me.
I think Jon knows more of the details, but I remember reading that some of the process is becoming 'proprietary' and they're not going to tell you exactly how they come up with it anymore.
QuoteSo, how does the PDGA calculate ratings once they've decided what rounds will be counted. Basically, I took all of my rounds that had a "yes" by them and averaged them. I came up 5 points short of the rating the PDGA gave me.
I think they are double weighting your most recent 8 rounds.
isn't there also the 'fudge' factor Chuck has mentioned a few times as well?
QuoteI'm not a big fan of the new system... one really bad event and my rating drops 17 points.
So it seems that I can now play intermediate, would it be difficult to change me to that division for the Rockford event?
Second thought, I'd have a hard time sleeping at night if I played Int.
When the PDGA told me that I belonged in Intermediate and they gave me a free pass back, I took it! For a couple of years I could not have played Intermediate if I had wanted to because of the PDGA rule requiring a player to play advanced if they signed up for an advanced membership, even if they suffered a crippling back injury since then. It was a lot of fun being on the lead card and finishing second or third behind non-members at every tournament.
Your rating accurately reflects how you were playing in April and May. You should not feel guilty about moving down at an IOS. We are fine with players playing in whatever division their rating puts them, or whatever division they would rather play up to. There are other players in the 900-914 range playing Intermediate at our events.
I moved up three points but will stay in Rec. Guess I am a bagger. :P
My rating is 885, and PDGA used all of my 12 rounds played. My lowest round was a 781. That is outside one standard deviation. Shouldn't the PDGA have thrown that one out?
it's not one SD it's a 2.5 SD