Hey all -- I have never played in a tournament before and I am thinking about playing in the IOS #4 at Rockford. Do I have to pre-register, or can I get there early and register in person?
I also have a question about the divisions. West Park is one of my favorite courses...what would be a novice score (playing all holes as par 3s)? Intermediate? Advanced?
One more random question: What is the most common etiquette mistake you see from tournament rookies?
Thanks,
Adam
P.S. Anyone else from Naperville and thinking that Seager Park (near Naper and Ogden) should have a course?
NO, you do not have to preregister. Just show up that morning and sign up.
If its your first tournament, play RECREATIONAL division and see where you wind up, then maybe you can move to intermediate or advanced after that.
A good advanced score for the 27 hole tourney layout at West park is around 10 under. I think 13 or 14 down might have been the hot round this year. Intermediates prolly shoot 5 or 6 under and Recs shoot be even or a couple under.
You'll learn some etiquette during your first tournament playing Rec, so don't worry about not knowing stuff now. If you are actually thinking about etiquette then you are already ahead of many Recreational division players :) Just remember to mark your lie before you putt out, stay out of the other players line of sight, and if you are scorekeeping make sure you ask for everybody's score out loud. Hope to see you at Rockford!
Seager Park in Naperville could be a very tight wooded course. You might be able to fit 9 holes, but it seems a bit small.
After putting you need to regain balance and stance behind your marker. If you lose your balance and step over your mini then its a falling putt & your card can force you to re-putt. Subsequent falling putts are a stroke penalty each.
also be careful of people with names that have no vowels.
You don't have to pre-register for this event but I encourage anyone to do so. There is going to be a lot of people there and you will be glad when you don't have to stand in line.
Also, go to www.pdga.com & read the rule book. You will learn a lot from it. We have a first time tournament player's meeting prior to every event.
On the etiquette and rules question, another common one is not holing out. You must complete every hole. You can't pick up and walk on when you are under the basket, or slap the chains and walk on when withing slapping distance.
The other is scorekeeping. When it is your turn to keep score you do it this way when all players are present:
Adam: Bruce, what did you get?
Bruce: 3
Adam: 3. Brett, what did you get?
Brett: 2.
Adam: 2. Dan, what did you get?
Dan: Are you nucking futs?!? I get a $750 hole in one and you ask me what I got?
Adam: Bruce said I have to do it this way.
Dan: 1
Adam: 1. I got a 4.
Thanks for all of the advice. Do most tournaments ignore the posted pars and play everything as 3?
Also, my understanding is that any player who accepts a prize in an amateur division forfeits his/her amateur status. Is that the case even if the prize is a tournament disc?
krupicka--you're right about Seager being pretty small, but there could be some relatively open holes near the entrance of the park.
Adam
QuoteThanks for all of the advice. Do most tournaments ignore the posted pars and play everything as 3?
Also, my understanding is that any player who accepts a prize in an amateur division forfeits his/her amateur status. Is that the case even if the prize is a tournament disc?
krupicka--you're right about Seager being pretty small, but there could be some relatively open holes near the entrance of the park.
Adam
At tournaments you just count your total strokes. For purposes of penalties most courses around here are all par threes.
Players who accept cash for placing in a pro division are considered pros. For sanctioned tournaments it is not allowed to payout cash to the amateur places. Amateurs who place win prizes (discs, hats, baskets, etc.).
QuoteThanks for all of the advice. Do most tournaments ignore the posted pars and play everything as 3?
Also, my understanding is that any player who accepts a prize in an amateur division forfeits his/her amateur status. Is that the case even if the prize is a tournament disc?
Adam
When you turn in your scorecard you must report a total score, like 62, and not an over/under like -4. Therefore par only becomes relevant if you are late to the tee for the start of a round and you miss one or more holes. Then the penalty is par + 4 for every hole missed.
Yes, most tournaments, every hole is par 3.
The only way to lose your amateur status in disc golf is to take cash or prizes for your finish in a pro division at a sanctioned tournament. You can take prizes in an amateur division and still be an amateur disc golfer. [Otherwise, why would we run and play these tournaments? :lol: ] You can take cash for a side game, like an ace pool or cash CTP, and still be an amateur. You can also take cash at unsanctioned events and still be an amateur.
don't forget you can turn your prizes into cash by selling them at area courses & still retain your am status... ;)
Quotedon't forget you can turn your prizes into cash by selling them at area courses & still retain your am status... ;)
people actually do that??? :o :o :o
QuoteQuotedon't forget you can turn your prizes into cash by selling them at area courses & still retain your am status... ;)
people actually do that??? :o :o :o
If you wait until the crowd has cleared out you can turn your prizes into cash by selling them back to the merch man! :ph34r: You might get 65 cents on the dollar selling at courses, but you will only get 50 cents on the dollar from the merch man. Whatever works for you. B)
I'm curious about details regarding the DISContinuum Club Invitational. I believe I'm an active club member but the link on the site didn't work for me. If someone had a flyer or info it would be great if they could e-mail me. I don't check this board regularly so an e-mail would be great.
Thanks,
Hey Terry, looks like we haven't received your renewal for 2005 yet. I'll email you later today or tomorrow with more info.
Al
Also after you make a putt, take it out of the basket before the next person putts.
QuoteAlso after you make a putt, take it out of the basket before the next person putts.
Brian,
Are you referring to me about taking my putter out or are you talking to someone else? I am just wondering because I normally do take my putter out (assuming I get the darn thing INTO the basket).
Thanks,
I'm quite certain he was referring to the original, pre-drift question:
QuoteOne more random question: What is the most common etiquette mistake you see from tournament rookies?
Thanks,
Adam
RE: Falling Putt
At Rockford there was a person in my group whose momentum kept bringing him over the mini. He would not place his foot on the ground until after (according to him) the disc hit some part of the basket but would then drop his foot past the mini. It was really hard to tell sometimes because it's hard to have your eye on both. I would listen for contact with the basket but I didn't think some of his putts were legal. He became very defensive when another player in our group said something and then it wasn't brought up again. So I guess my questions are:
*If the person putting steps over the mini after the disc hits some part of the pole hole is it a falling putt?
*How do you handle a situation where the person accused doesn't agree? I know that there are officials but how do you get them involved if need be?
he has to show balance after the putt without falling forward past his lie no matter how long that takes. when the disc hits the bin is irrelevant.
if two or more players on your card second the call then he has to reputt. subsequent violations incur a one stroke penalty w/o warning.
Oops, my bad. Only one player on the card needs to call the falling putt. Here's the whole rule:
Quote803.03 STANCE, Subsequent to Teeing Off
A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.03 E); and,
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.
B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted after the disc is released, except when putting within 10 meters.
C. Any throw from within 10 meters or less, as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the hole, is considered a putt. A follow-through after a putt that causes the thrower to make any supporting point contact closer to the hole than the rear edge of the mini marker disc constitutes a falling putt and is not allowed. The player must demonstrate full control of balance before advancing toward the hole.
D. A player must choose the stance that will result in the least movement of any part of any obstacle that is a permanent or integral part of the course.
E. If a large solid obstacle prevents a player from taking a legal stance within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc, the player shall take his or her stance immediately behind that obstacle on the line of play. The player must comply with all the provisions of 803.03 A other than being within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc.
F. A stance violation must be clearly called within three seconds after the infraction to be valid. The call may be made by any member of the group or an official. When the call is made by a member of the group, it must subsequently be confirmed by another member of the group. A player shall receive a warning for the first violation of a stance rule in the round. Subsequent violations of a stance rule in the same round shall incur a one-throw penalty.
G. Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation may not be used by the thrower. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie. Re-throws must be taken prior to subsequent play by others in the group.
H. The player may not retrieve the originally thrown disc prior to the re-throw, except in the case of a putt from within 10 meters. Where a disc is retrieved in violation of this rule, a one throw penalty shall be imposed without a warning.
QuoteAlso after you make a putt, take it out of the basket before the next person putts.
Brian,
Are you referring to me about taking my putter out or are you talking to someone else? I am just wondering because I normally do take my putter out (assuming I get the darn thing INTO the basket).
Thanks,
After a person makes their putt please take out their putter out of the basket.
QuoteOops, my bad. Only one player on the card needs to call the falling putt.
QuoteF. A stance violation must be clearly called within three seconds after the infraction to be valid. The call may be made by any member of the group or an official. When the call is made by a member of the group, it must subsequently be confirmed by another member of the group. A player shall receive a warning for the first violation of a stance rule in the round. Subsequent violations of a stance rule in the same round shall incur a one-throw penalty.
The way I read the rule is that while only one person has to call a stance violation, it must be seconded if the person calling it is in the same group as the person who it was called upon.
An official can call a stance violation without there being a second.
Dan's interpretation of the rule is correct. For a stance violation you call it. If someone seconds it, the violation is a warning and he must re-throw. The second violation is a penalty and he has to re-throw. If no one in your group will second a valid call, bring that to the TD. If someone seconds it, you don't have to bring it to the TD. The other player does.
today was not a good reading or rules interpretation day for me.