Here you can list your wishes for the series (try to keep them reasonable--like there won't be hot dates for the winner of Advanced, Dan!) and you can post your plan to make some of these wishes come true, if you have any ideas.
Here are my wishes so far for the 2006 IOS (not in any particular order):
1) More cash sponsorship for the pro divisions.
2) Volunteers to take digital pictures at the events (both saturday and sunday).
3) Volunteers to procure (not to pay for) and cook lunch at select events (sponsorship for the $$$ for the food would be nice also).
4) Toilet facilities at Streamwood.
5) Free pavilions at all the courses (right!)
6) A course description, map, listing of OB and special course situations booklet for each course in the IOS series to be distributed to all players.
7) Media coverage.
8) More sponsorship for amateur divisions.
a change in trophy design
more young single women who like disc golf
Mix players across divisions. I always play better when grouped with better players. Of course, this may not work for good players who are grouped with the fringe element
I think one of the motivations for moving to a higher divisions is playing with more courteous, knowledgeable, skillful players. I don't think mixing divisions is a good idea at all (sorry dave). If you want to play with pro players, then i think you should have to sign up for pro. It would be very frustrating for more experienced players to have to deal with the 1st time players in Rec. Also, from a competitive standpoint its always best to play against the people you are competing with.
I do understand your point Dave, and I certainly don't think anybody would mind playing with a knowledgeable player like yourself, but I don't think most players like that format from what I've seen at other events.
QuoteI think one of the motivations for moving to a higher divisions is playing with more courteous, knowledgeable, skillful players. I don't think mixing divisions is a good idea at all (sorry dave). If you want to play with pro players, then i think you should have to sign up for pro. It would be very frustrating for more experienced players to have to deal with the 1st time players in Rec. Also, from a competitive standpoint its always best to play against the people you are competing with.
I do understand your point Dave, and I certainly don't think anybody would mind playing with a knowledgeable player like yourself, but I don't think most players like that format from what I've seen at other events.
and technically it's against PDGA rules, although I've played in tournaments where they mix the first round and I kinda like it. Sheboygan in particular, although that's an 'X-tier' anyhow and they've got more leeway - and at the Pickle it's entertaining to watch a 'pro' blow up on an 'easy' course. :P
thats a good point too damon.
I have to agree with Dan, no mixed divisions, photos of players, and a new trophy (maybe a type of bag tag?).
Also a final nine for Advanced as well as Open.
1. Added cash
2. Better courses
3. Cool trophies
4. At least 2 rounds of 20 holes at each event.
I like mixing divisions, but we are running PDGA sanctioned tournaments so we are following PDGA rules and the PDGA sanctioning agreement as much as we can bear. A lot of players don't like playing mixed divisions and they are entitled to expect PDGA rules and procedures at a PDGA event.
I've priced lunch. Simple lunches are amazingly cheap. If there were two of me, one would be making lunch for the players and the other would be doing everything else I do. If there is anyone who would enjoy doing lunch on a modestly for-profit basis, like maybe your wife or mother, or you on the day you are not playing, we should talk about that.
Most real sponsorship in disc golf comes from disc golf owned or operated businesses. And there is a lot less real sponsorship than TDs lead players to believe. The amateur entry fees provide most of the "pro added cash" at most B and C-tier tournaments. There might be sponsorship out there if a volunteer were simply to go business door to business door in the neighborhood of each tournament and talk to the owners and managers. We would pay that kind of volunteer a modest commission if he were to step up.
One thing I'd like to see is for Advanced players to have a let-it-ride option on their player pack. We did this at the MDGO series in 2001 and it was a lot of fun. I have an under used volunteer available to run this. It is very simple: the advanced player gets a 15 Brass player pack. He can go buy a disc, put it in his pocket, or put it in the Advanced Bonus Pool. If he is getting in the Bonus Pool, the volunteer takes his brass and he signs the sheet. While he is out playing she puts little sticker stars on the leaderboard cards of the players who are in and she calculates a payout to the top 1/2. If only 8 advanced players get in, for example, there is a bonus of 45, 35, 25, and 15 for the top 4.
There are a couple of other changes we have been talking for 2006 about among the key volunteers: (1) Running Pro and Advanced divisions on Saturday and lower divisions on Sunday. This would give the top players first look at the new merch and I would not always be apologizing that we are out of whatever because we had 90 intermediates and recs yesterday. Also, it would solve the problem we always have with conflicts with other nearby split-day events. Also, I would not have to do the six hour drive home on the night I was exhausted from playing all day. (2) Phasing out the old brass. In 2006 we will introduce new coinage. For all of 2006 we will accept the old, but only give out the new. At the end of 2006 the old expires. We are getting to the point where we don't have enough $1 coins so we have to order new. This is a fair way to bring in as much of the old as is going to come in before closing the books on the old.
QuoteI have to agree with Dan, no mixed divisions, photos of players, and a new trophy (maybe a type of bag tag?).
Also a final nine for Advanced as well as Open.
photos of players? what kind of photos? are u looking for a nice layout of damon short with some aviars surrounding him on the beach or just like a nice headshot next to the name so you know who this crazy sox fan dude Mike Walsh is :lol:
I certainly understand why the advanced and higher players wouldn't want to mix divisions. This is one of the reqsons why I like playing league. I get to mix with better players there. I think a lunch option may work for out of the way locations like Rockford or even Fairfield. Don't add it to the price but advetise and then sell food. Maybe a local vender can be enticed to send a small crew. I like the idea of a safari for advanced. Until I am finished coaching soccer ( next year) I prefer Rec. on Saturday. I liked player packs the first year but now that I have what I want its not a big deal any more.
photos of people playing in the event, not of Dan in a speedo. You could upload them to the clubs website or to the brasscash website.
I'm not sure the TD's would survive, but how about all divisions for a 2 day tournament in Rockford? Sunday would have an earlier start w/o registration in the morning and we could have a larger gallery for a final 9 holes for the top open card.
Jon and I aren't planning on running any more no-play events. We run tournaments so that we will have good tournaments to play. Rockford reminded us of that.
QuoteJon and I aren't planning on running any more no-play events. We run tournaments so that we will have good tournaments to play. Rockford reminded us of that.
We are sooooo selfish! :P
QuoteJon and I aren't planning on running any more no-play events. We run tournaments so that we will have good tournaments to play. Rockford reminded us of that.
The only exception to this is that I would run/help run Pro Worlds if I had the venues and could find the sponsorship.
Quotephotos of people playing in the event, not of Dan in a speedo. You could upload them to the clubs website or to the brasscash website.
I know what to do with the photos. We just need someone to take them.
I only was able to play one event this year and had a great time there. I really don't have any complaints or concerns, but, only playing one event, I don't know if I know enough to have a complaint. Over-all it seemed like the event (Streamwood) was run pretty smooth. Expanding the series would be nice, but, how likely is that considering you did one a month for 7 months?
The lunch idea would be good and I'd be willing to discuss cooking on a day I don't play (I plan on playing a lot more in 2006) I have a little bit of amateur catering experience. When we tailgate for the Iowa State games I'm usually cooking for 40 people or so. I have a pretty good portable generator also that could run roasters and other electric cooking devices. If someone wants to pm me to give me an idea of what they are looking for in a lunch, I'd love to discuss the idea. We would need 2 volunteers though, as I would be playing one day.
Quote...I think a lunch option may work for out of the way locations like Rockford or even Fairfield. Don't add it to the price but advetise and then sell food. Maybe a local vender can be enticed to send a small crew....
At most of our venues we can not sell food. We can make cook and serve food to the players and volunteers but we can't sell it for cash (to sell food for cash requires additional permits and licenses that we don't have to obtain in order to run a tournament).
Bringing in a vendor is a good idea. We would put the responsibility of obtaining the proper permits and licenses (many local vendors would already have them if they sell at the local fair or 4th of July celebrations outside of their restaurant).
If anyone works at, owns or knows of a local restaurant that would like to cater at one or more of the 2006 IOS stops, please have them contact me.
Another big bonus is same day scores & ratings on PDGA.com
QuoteQuote...I think a lunch option may work for out of the way locations like Rockford or even Fairfield. Don't add it to the price but advetise and then sell food. Maybe a local vender can be enticed to send a small crew....
At most of our venues we can not sell food. We can make cook and serve food to the players and volunteers but we can't sell it for cash (to sell food for cash requires additional permits and licenses that we don't have to obtain in order to run a tournament).
Bringing in a vendor is a good idea. We would put the responsibility of obtaining the proper permits and licenses (many local vendors would already have them if they sell at the local fair or 4th of July celebrations outside of their restaurant).
If anyone works at, owns or knows of a local restaurant that would like to cater at one or more of the 2006 IOS stops, please have them contact me.
I will check around. I know a couple of people. I'll see if they'll be interested.
I know a guy who owns and runs hot dog stands. I will talk to him and see if something could be done. I could run it one day and i could probably get my little brother to run it the other day. I dont know which tournaments we could bring it to eihter.
i deliver for two different restaurants in glencoe and both are usually looking to cater events like this, most of the courses are pretty far away from where i am (glencoe) but maybe they would be willing to send out a cook or just have someone deliver it(we expect bg tips) ill ask them
Can we add Mokena into the IOS rotation next year? 2 rounds o 27 sounds mighty nice.
So, how about if one leg of the IOS Series was a bring-your-own-partner doubles tournament?
QuoteCan we add Mokena into the IOS rotation next year? 2 rounds o 27 sounds mighty nice.
That probably wouldnt work out too well. Thats pretty much Gary Lewis country.
What I would like to see is tournament-specific stamps on discs, instead of the entire IOS series stamps.
Yeah I really liked the Forest City Frenzy disc! Nice job Greg!
I still haven't played Bartlett but would you consider having a tournament there?
The ultimate course addition for 2006 in my opinion would be the Sinnissippi Open in Sterling. It would in fact become one of the premier events of the series for the following reasons:
1. The existing TD wants someone to take it over, he only wants to play (he told me so). He has nearly run this event into the ground already, which is a shame as it is one of the longest standing events anywhere.
2. The course is awesome, definitely one of the best in the state with lots of room for extra holes.
3. While the location is a little far for some around here, the event would surely draw 150 players from all over (Rockford, Quad Cities, etc.) expanding the reach of the IOS across the state.
4. There are people in the area that could help tremendously like Greg has in Rockford.
PLEASE CONSIDER IT!
QuoteSo, how about if one leg of the IOS Series was a bring-your-own-partner doubles tournament?
i would probably play, but strongly prefer singles events. i am assuming this would be an unsanctioned doubles event as there is no point in sanctioning a doubles.
you sanction doubles tourneys for points.
I am not interested in a doubles event. I can play doubles every night of the week around here.
I don't think of a bring your own partner doubles tournament the same way that I think about doubles leagues. I think a doubles leg would be a lot of fun. It's a chance to play doubles with someone that you want to play doubles with. Plus a lot of people can't play doubles every night of the week because we have to work! :D
I agree with Jon, random doubles and bring your own partner is two different things. I would like to play a doubles event.
I am not opposed to going into anyone else's territory when it is a friendly thing. If Jon and Brett want to do Sinissippi and the Sinissippi TD wants to let go of that event in 2006, that would be something to consider.
As to doubles, you sanction doubles for points, for cheap insurance if you need it, for exposure on the PDGA Tour Page at pdga.com and because your players want to play sanctioned events. I think our players would trust us to treat them right at an unsanctioned event. I could go either way on sanctioning.
If you guys wanted to start throwing Discraft, and if we had volunteers doing the artwork, we could do individual tournament hotstamps. Currently we are not selling enough Discraft to do this, and Innova's tournament stamping pricing makes it too expensive to do Innova custom stamps.
QuoteSo, how about if one leg of the IOS Series was a bring-your-own-partner doubles tournament?
I would not be interested . Fringe players do not get asked to go to the prom. We only go stag.
Bruce, I can definately help you with the stamp designs. I am an Industrial Designer and I have the sofware to do the work at home or during down time at work.
If you need to take a look at some samples of my work let me know. I can also get any type of banners or signage made.
QuoteBruce, I can definately help you with the stamp designs. I am an Industrial Designer and I have the sofware to do the work at home or during down time at work.
If you need to take a look at some samples of my work let me know. I can also get any type of banners or signage made.
Would you be willing to design a series of stamps even though the rest might not get made if the first one doesn't sell fast enough?
What kind of cost for the banners? Having an IOS banner would be cool.
Does anyone think we will sell more Discraft if we have individual tournament stamps on them?
if the stamps are cool and are on good discs like the z buzz, flick, or cryztal z challenger i think they would go very quick.
I would be intrested in participating in the Discraft 1 disc ace race next year if discontinuum hosted it. Was there even one in IL this year? I checked the calendar of events on Discraft's website (http://www.sportdiscs.com/page/page/1297143/2005-09.htm) but I didn't see anything for IL
(http://www.sportdiscs.shoppingcartsplus.com/i/Discraft%20Logos/250x250_Ace_Race_BW.jpg)
Why not do a contest for the disc stamps this year??? There is quite a bit of artistic talent here. If everyone voted on the best design, the discs might sell better. I would definitely be willing to participate. The winner would merely receive a set of discs with their design on it. With winter coming, there is plenty of time for that.
i think a good mix of art would be the way to go. especially if there are seven or more stops, make each one unique, print them on desirable discs and they shoudl go quick. i know for rockford i want something as 'far out' as possible.
I would highly recommend a Vinyl Banner which will last forever. The best part is that you can use the same banner and just change out the name of the tournament. All you have to do is peel and stick the new tourney name. I believe that a 90"W x 30"H is about $150. I can get the cost of the tourney vinyl replacement names also.
On the Wish List topic, I think it would be cool to have a season long putting contest with a very modest buy-in and a cool trophy at the end of the season. I have this cool lucite trophy on my window sill that says, "2002 MDGO State Disc Golf Putting Champion Bruce Brakel." N ow you want one too with your name on it.
This is another thing for which we lack a dedicated volunteer.
It is hard to run a game like this on the day that you are playing. It eats up your lunch hour and morning practice time, and interferes with your post-tournament emotional recovery time. If there were three of me, one of the two that were not cooking lunch would be doing this.
i would play in a bring-your-own partner doubles event. maybe 9 holes each of alternating shot, best shot, worst shot and play your own disc. many other places where i've played (colorado, new mexico and georgia, et al) have state doubles championships that are very well attended and a whole lot of fun.
If Jon wants to run the Illinois State Doubles Championship, I'm on board. Jon and I ran a lot of sanctioned doubles in Michigan in 2001 and 2002.
You get better attendance at a doubles tournament if all of the formats are fun and everyone gets to throw all the time. Players don't have as much fun playing worst shot, and double alternating shot is more fun that just alternating where you only get to throw half the time.
I think best shot is maximum fun on a big course like Edgebrook where the big arms can team up with the good putters to get a little team synergy going.
Seems like the Blast has been used for experiments the past couple of years. What experiment are you going to try in 2006? After playing St. Charles a couple of weeks ago, I wondered how a putter-only tournament would go over.
QuoteSeems like the Blast has been used for experiments the past couple of years. What experiment are you going to try in 2006? After playing St. Charles a couple of weeks ago, I wondered how a putter-only tournament would go over.
probably not too well :) it might be a cool idea for a small, non-sanctioned event though. can u use as many putters as you like? i use aviars for upshots and rattlers for putting. some people putt with rocs and don't even own putters.
Quote from: krupicka on October 25, 2005, 04:55:26 AM
Seems like the Blast has been used for experiments the past couple of years. What experiment are you going to try in 2006? After playing St. Charles a couple of weeks ago, I wondered how a putter-only tournament would go over.
They have a One Disc Challenge out at West Park in Joliet that sounds suspiciously like this. Un-sanctioned though, but run by the Summer J-town doubles guys (Jesse & Darren, I believe) Not exactly putter-only, but you could definetly use a Roc.
Is that a Discraft One-Disc Challenge in J-town? Or a one-disc-of-your-choice thing? The Discraft One-Disc Challenge is kind of cool because everyone gets the same unapproved proto for their entry fee and that's what they throw. I have a proto-Wasp somewhere with the One Disc stamp on it.
Its cool as long as the one disc isn't a Proto Glide. :D
sorry Terry, but that disc really sucked :o
It not Discraft-only, just one disc of your choice.
Quote from: Mitch on October 19, 2005, 01:48:53 PM
The ultimate course addition for 2006 in my opinion would be the Sinnissippi Open in Sterling. It would in fact become one of the premier events of the series for the following reasons:
1. The existing TD wants someone to take it over, he only wants to play (he told me so). He has nearly run this event into the ground already, which is a shame as it is one of the longest standing events anywhere.
2. The course is awesome, definitely one of the best in the state with lots of room for extra holes.
3. While the location is a little far for some around here, the event would surely draw 150 players from all over (Rockford, Quad Cities, etc.) expanding the reach of the IOS across the state.
4. There are people in the area that could help tremendously like Greg has in Rockford.
PLEASE CONSIDER IT!
Now that the TD has apparently run this tounament into the ground (as I predicted he would last October), any chance of reviving it in 2007. It would be crushing success and a stellar addition to the IOS