DISContinuum DISCussion

Rick Rothstein, our friendly sponsor at Disc Golf World, is strongly urging us to to an ICE BOWL.

Without knowing any specifics (dates, $$$, format, etc.), would you like DISContinuum to host an Ice Bowl in January?

Also, would YOU participate in our Ice Bowl?

Why and/or why not?

Hmm.... I may be interested in playing in an Ice Bowl... If course, I was thinking of playing at Dretzka, but if we're going to have one at Bevier I'd play that instead.



Who is the charity we'd be benefitting?

This is gonna be awesome!!!



Curious Jon... How does your cart work in the snow? Bevier can get some deep (2-3') drifts...

I believe, but am not 100% sure, that ribbon taped to the underside of a disc is PDGA approved for winter golf.

Okay, maybe not PDGA approved, but certainly the preferred method for ease of search when its snowy out...

I hope I get many exceptions.... ;)

that's silly. How will we be enforcing this rule? I can see it possible getting bent/broken by non-locals. Obviously, same-group policing will need to happen, but what occurs if/when a group takes a person's third drive? Stroke? With/without warning? Subsequent violations?

The grass tees should be alright. A little muddy, perhaps, but nothing too terrible.

Not too badly, turnout was smaller than we hoped but still broke even plus a little....



Results are Here. (//%22http://discontinuum.org/Events/IB2003/results.html%22)

Which charity? Open to suggestions.

I suggested to Rick (after being challenged by Joe Weinshel at the "Steady") that we simply put our efforts into supporting Dretzka's Ice Bowl.  He called me a wimp and said we should just do it, even if it only raises $50 for a local charity.

To me, we would be able to generate more money for a charity if we participated in Dretzka's (we wouldn't have to buy prizes, advertise, discs, etc.).

But, I want to know how y'all feel aboot it.....

Jon - That's an offer that's hard to refuse! The best day for us to do it would be Sunday Feb 2nd, an hour or two after best shot.  I'd see if we can get the fieldhouse at Bevier for shelter & warmth.

If this is a go, I would have no problem combining your mulligan/fundraiser idea with this. I envision us registering the event with Rick at DGW (main Ice Bowl organizer), but not necessarily buying IB discs and/or shirts.  Maybe minis, but I would love to keep this event SIMPLE. I have a couple of charities in mind (PADS shelter or A Safe Place Shelter for Women). Also wouldn't mind seeing the club take a SMALL percentage from this event (5%), but that is not a must.

I just got this email from Uncle Joe Weinshel up in Milwaukee:



Real Ice Bowl

Coming to Milwaukee on January 18 & 19 2003.

Please disregard full page ad in DGWN. It's full of typos. For convenience you can register with credit card Make your plans early!

 

Now open 24 hrs - Uncle Joe's Plastic Shop & Co-op

REAL ICE BOWL

http://www.unclejoes.net



IF we have our Ice Bowl, and we have it on Feb 2nd, folks could attend both.

Winter Best Shot starts January 5th at 10:30am.  We could hold the IB tourney at 2pm after leagues; or we could hold it another day; I'd rather not move Best Shot League back a week. Holding it in February might be better for weather, would give us time to organize, and would have fewer conflicts with other Ice Bowl action.



The idea of doubles sounds good. If we do Pro/Am teams, I think more Ams would be willing to brave the cold. It would also lower the # of prizes we'd have to dole out (top 3 teams total instead of top teams in Pro & top teams in Ams).



Perhaps a slice of the entry can go toward the charity....

Perhaps a slice of the entry fee can pay for prizes....

Perhaps the Mulligan $$ can go toward the basket fund....   :-)



This morning, Rick at DGW hinted (vaguely via email) that having an Ice Bowl would help get us a basket from him.  Heck, he's got to promote biz too.

I've been thinking about all this and I don't mind accommodating him with an Ice Bowl. I think it would be fun and good for the club on many levels:

-community involvement with charity

-WPD publicity

-publicity via Ice Bowl stats

-makes sponsor happy (happy sponsors donate more)

-demonstrates insane commitment (or cold-blooded nature) on part of all participants



Also, I would be very comfortable letting Jon Brakel being our Ice Bowl TD. Would anyone have an objections or better suggestions?

Ice Bowl Ideas:

-Obtain building (field house) at Bevier for the event.

-Have hot chocolate and chili available (good cold-weather food - my wife's is EXCELLENT)

-Indoor mini-toss contest

-If we do a bring your own partner doubles, invite (read "taunt") the Milwaukee "Real Deal Ice Bowl" folks to play Bevier's Ice Bowl.

REVISED:

Consumption of alcohol is officially not allowed at Bevier Park.

Based on many positive responses to the idea (via this Board, emails, and phone calls), I'd like to move forward with our first winter tourney.

DISContinuum's First Annual Ice Bowl (the "Fun One") will be held at Bevier Park on Saturday, February 1st!

Come on out - have some fun - help feed the hungry!

27 Holes!  Free hot chocolate!  Great prizes!

Jon Brakel is the Ice Bowl Tournament Director and he has some fun surprises in store for all players!

Mark your calendars NOW!

Specific info about format, prizes and players' packages to come soon.......

I plan on rivetting mine on.......

Seriously, though . . . .



After some research, I propose that the charity which the Ice Bowl would benefit is PADS.  Public Action To Deliver Shelter. There are several PADS organizations throughout the States, most being in northern Illinois.

PADS is non-profit organization which offers shelter, food, job placement assitance, and more to homeless individuals in need.  The majority of donations are usually clothing and food, but they throw out over 30% of food which is donated to them because it is expired, rotten, or dairy products. They request that we help out with:

-canned vegetables

-canned fruit

-canned juice

-coffee

-boxed (instant) potatoes

-please no more pasta or rice (overstocked)

-paper plates & utensils

or

we just combine monetary donations and get one gift certificate for a grocery store.  Of course, people naturally will be donating food as well, so we can do both.



PADS has helped MANY MANY people, including some of my own family members.  It is a strong organization with true committment to helping local people in trouble.



Any comments or other sugestions?

Jon, scorecards are done, complete with Mulligan tally columns. Doubles teams will share a card, to keep things simple.  Do you need a copy of the logo, or did you grab it from the Ice Bowl PDF form?

Leaderboard and blank cards are ready and waiting....

The pic:

Jon is King Arthur, lain out on a funeral pyre, getting ready to be sent off to Valhalla.  The crying eye represents the world, saddened by the loss of its great leader.

Or

Jon is just a freak......



Hey, who else besides me is getting excited about this Ice Bowl?  Also who is planning on playing Uncle Joe's (Dretzka) Ice Bowl in January?

Jon, did you receive the logo(s)?  Have you snagged the actual IceBowl logo or sent in the registration yet?  When can we expect a flyer? I WANNA PLAY!!!!

Aw, Jon!  I hope you feel better soon! No big rush, you know, we do have time. Regarding the fieldhouse at Bevier, yes, we are still waiting for an answer on that and a few other things. I emailed Mike yesterday and will follow up with a call later today or tomorrow.  THANKS!

I will email the 200 folks on my list.  Brett will probably innundate the 4 surrounding states!

I liked the old one better. I wonder if the gothzombiemystic photo is the same one the FBI has....

Jon, the word is getting out. I hit Adler, Tendick and Bevier. I've gotten a few email questions as well. We may actually have some folks - oh yeah - and that Michigander I hear so much about. :-)

Been done a while ago.

ROCKIN'!  I think our first Ice Bowl will be yabba-dabba!  Jon, do you need any other help?  How many scorecards should I print out?

Needed for Ice Bowl:

 - paper cups

 - plastic spoons

 - plastic bowls

 - 2 or 3 tables

 - hot chocolate mix



I'm bringing a 5'x2' folding card table but we need some more and/or bigger tables for registration, prizes, and foodstuffs.

I'm also bringing enough chili to feed an army and some hot chocolate (1 container). If folks want something different, like tea, please feel free to bring some.

I've made 30 scorecards (2 people on one card for all 3 rounds) and will bring plenty of pencils/pens, raffle box, donation jar, and music especially mixed for the occasion.

Cool, Pat!  Check with Jon, but I'd say 3 tables should do it.  Maybe 10 chairs?

Sounds good to me, Myk!

I don't think WE'RE raffling a Mach anything. But perhaps we should raffle something. I have a few special personal disc items that I might be willing to part with . . . for charity.

(1) Josh (of HyzerHurths.com) has offered to be a sponsor for the Ice Bowl! Woo-hoo!  Perhaps something like putting a sign up at the tee for a particular hole and make it a "CTP Hole Sponsored by HyzerHurths.com". He could provide a couple of discs as prizes.

I think it is very generous and I appreciate his support!



(2) The Milwaukee Ice Bowl inspired me. Their raffle brought in a ton of cash, of course it was a Solar Dome Mach5. We'll have Mulligans to bring in a few extra dollars, but how about a MiniSota Pole Hole to raffle off? They cost $55 and we can sell tickets for whatever Jon thinks is best. I recommend $3/1 ticket or $10/4 tickets or $20/10 tickets. I'll throw in a bunch of minis too.

Is this OK with you, Jon?

Jon, I made signs for the road and to mark HQ. Also have mui scorecards. Scoreboard is ready. Kirsten and I are making a BUNCH of chili. She donated about $20 worth of Tastefully Simple products (her side business) for the making of this truly scrumptuous delight!  Woo-hoo!

Paul told me yesterday that he will not play if it is this cold. His med condition just won't allow it. So he has volunteered to man tables for a few hours.

That would be fine, Brett. Thanks!

Jon, I'd be happy to work and let you play if'n you want.

BTW, nice photos in DGWN! What a great issue!

Pat, are you still good for the tables & chairs? Do you need help? What time are you planning on getting to Bevier on Saturday?

I plan on getting there around 7:30 or earlier.

Pat, registration begins at 9am, so as long as you're there by then, we're cool. THANKS!

Damon, there is between 1-2 inches of snow on the ground, but is nwo starting to melt.

I recommend that, if possible, go to Bass Pro Shops in Gurnee Mills (or similar sports store) and buy some sock liners. They are white and look like thin tube socks, but really keep my feet warm and dry, especially when I wear them under a pair of tube socks. They cost about $4 a pair and are well worth it.

BC, are you buckling under to corporate pressure? The BC I know would tell his boss where to stick it, and then kick some butt at the Ice Bowl. JK. I hope you can make it buddy!

Also, we are NOT raffling off a MiniSota Pole Hole. We ARE raffling off a BRAND NEW Ching MINI-SKILLSHOT basket!!!  We will be among the first to see this new product. This is the first one Disc Golf World has sold! The price is slightly higher, but I think we'll sell more tickets.

I cannot wait for Saturday!  I spoke with Jon Brakel and he is ready for action. He is bringing tableware (bowls, spoons, napkins, etc.).

Can someone please pick up a bag of salt (snow salt) we can use on the tees? Let me know please.....  THANKS!

I'll bring 2 coolers.

I was out there today, and there's more goosepoop than snow........

I got the key for the building today. Mike Trigg also brought out 3 big round tables and said he'd put out 24 chairs. So, Pat, you really don't have to bring many chairs, although a table or two will probably be necessary.

Oh yeah, Mike also said he'd bring some salt, but if you (Steve) can bring a small bag, just in case, it would be cool and appreciated.

Is Bruce in Mouseland or is there a chance he'll be a-comin' Saturday?

Good weather, good friends, & good fun!  The different formats worked well and made things interesting! Mirth and Kevin Lenth were hottest and took first place. Pat Wood and Jason Hany (PrizeMonkey) took 2nd, Jay Nierodzik and Chud took 3rd. Kyle Scuglik won the Ching Mini-SkillShot, while Jason, Pat and others won the rest of the many raffle prizes. Josh Hurth donated some fine discs as did Shawn Fallon, to make the prizes fall into the "overflowing" category. Kirsten's chili was great!

Thanks to everyone for coming, for helping and for giving so much to charity! We raised 86 pounds of food and $105 for PADS! Woo-hoo!

this time of the year is bad for me. the only day i would be able to play is sunday. bevier would be easier for me to get to but dretzka isn't that long of a drive from here.

sounds great to me. jon would do a fine job. i will be able to make the ice bowl if it is held on a sunday, so that sound good to me if we do it after best shot. sorry i won't be around to help but i'm just to damn busy right now. once june hits, i'll be around full time again. i'm also contacting the spydiscgolf from ebay where i bought my mach3 portable to see if he sell permanent poles as well. we might be able to get a good deal.

sounds sweet! i will be thinking of disc golf as the round ball is shot every time.

Speaking of Ice Bowls, Since I can't play at our Ice Bowl, Jason & I are planning on playing at Milwaukee in that Ice Bowl. Has anyone played this one. I cannot play on Saturday but would be able to play on Sunday during the Am day. Would I be a bagger by playing this event?

cool, then jason & i will be playing in that Am division. anyone else going to play in Milwaukee?

Jon,

      I will post at Round Lake, Libertyville, & Waukegan. The flyer looks good!!

Jon,

     Have you posted a flyer at B. Grove yet?



Jay,

could you post a flyer at both Higland Park courses & Glencoe if you get a chance?



If we hit all those, that would be 10 courses hit with flyers. Kenosha, Wuakegan, Round Lake, Libertyville, Buffalo Grove, Highland Park(2), Glencoe, Streamwood, & Elk Grove.



Jim,

     If you get a chance, please mail a flyer to Gary Lewis & Tom Christiansen. If you can e-mail me their addresses, i'll do it.

Thanks

Brett

Cool Jim! I will also post one at Dretzka @ the Ice Bowl there & we'll find out about hole sponsorship this weekend at the meeting. up to 11 courses posted @ and on the pdga board. let's be heard.

Ice Bowl @ Dretzka is filling up. 25 of 48 allowed have registered. Anyone else want to go with Jason & I?

talking about an ice bowl, holy cow! Milwaukee was awesome. Big time turnout, big time prizes, & big time fun. I had a blast. The playing conditions were brutal. colder than balls & 25+mph gusts. Jason & I finished 8th out of 25 in the am division. We played like dog crap but we still had fun (+13 in the 2nd round alternating shot). There were prizes all day long. Jason won a kc tye dye eagle. I won a disc golf bag. We each won Elite Z Predator, Talon, Wasp, & Elite X Predator for finishing 8th. The Am winners were sandbagging mofo's finishing 2 strokes ahead of the best advanced team.

Jon,

     I now have 9 small clip boards #'d 1 thru 9. I also picked up a box of 144ct golf pencils if you want to use them for the Ice Bowl.



    1 quick question. This is not a bring you own partner event. What happens if there are an odd # of people that show up?

Jon,

      I will drop off the goods at Jim's house. Jim that ok with you? I'll put them in the garage again.

Anyone going to stick around & play after the Ice Bowl? I'm going to be out later in the day. Probably won't get there until 2:00PM. Already paid Jim for bag tag so pick me a good one Jim! Good luck to all of those who play.

I was not able to play but showed up as the 3rd round was starting. Jon did a great job! Disc Golfers in this area need to wake up & smell the coffee. For only 13 players, there were some nice trophies & plastic givin out as well as CTP's. I heard the 3 different formats were very fun to play as well.

I'm taking care of Shady Oaks in Streamwood and Clark Park in Elk Grove.

I have played Dreska's Ice Bowl for the last few year and it is a blast.  Costly but it goes to charity.  I would prefer to go to Dreska for a few reasons.  Mainly they have a heated facility between rounds, to relax in.  Lots of disc to buy.  People come from all over the U.S. to play this one.  Lots of top Pros.

Jon that is one scary picture of you and the eye in the background.  What is the story with that?

still not sure if I'm playing the bevier ice bowl, might be somewhere warm...eeer....

no you will not be a bagger.  I don't think that you should play in advance because others as good or better then me are playing in this division.  So save your money and play intermediate and get a trophy and some plastic.  Saturday attracts some really good Pros if you want to watch, Barry and Shack were partners last year.  I am playing in Advance this year with a Pro that has not cashed yet (which still makes him an Am).  Unless Craig has a quick recovery...

On modified best shot, does the guy who drove twice already get to count the ace on the third drive?  If not, why should he be able to drive?  Mach-5 for raffle?  Bring lots of money people...its for charity..

1.  Cool



2. why not give everyone that buys 9 mullies a ticket and a chance to buy more.  I'll donate 3-4 disc for the raffle.  More stuff to win the better.



Steve don't ever think your going to screw up a drive.  It is all in your head...think tree...hit tree.  Just consentrate at your target and throw.  It is when you are relaxed that you will throw your best.  For the senario that you mention, it is only for 9 holes so it should never happen.  Just use some smarts, If your not going to get a 2 from either drive you should take the weaker players shot always.

I have a few disc to donate for the raffle.  I can not make the event so I need to get these to someone who is going.  I am laid-off at the moment so If someone wants to shoot either Parkside or Bevier tomorrow (Thursday).  Or meet at 7 for a glow round Friday at the Darkside I will give them the plastic.





Can I get a Tag on Sunday?  Save me one, please...

So, how did it go?

Why not do a PRO/AM doubles tourney?  A PRO partners with an AM.  Then pay out to the top X groups where X is based on the number of groups you get to come out and play.  If 5 teams come out, then pay out to the first and second divisions.  Give discs to third.  In the long run, you're actually paying out less than you would be if you had to pay cash to the top three teams in PRO and discs to the top three teams in AM/ADV divisions.



Just an idea I wanted to throw out there.

I'll play, but only if you promise we can bring some Bailey's Irish Creame for the Hot Cocoa.

We use the ribbon method during winter leagues, so I don't see why it should be a problem during the ICE BOWL!!

PADS sounds like a great charity to donate to.  I know of a program that's similar in Kenosha called INNS, and it really does help a lot of people.  I remember helping at one of the kitchens once and just about everyone there thanked us very much for what we were doing.

Jojo and I are tossing the idea around, but we're still undecided.

Sux that the baggers did that, but at least you guys had a good time.  Can't wait to see the turn out for ours.

yeah, i thought we were talking about regular leagues.  guess i should read the headings, eh??

The schedule of rFebruary just came out at work yesterday and I didn't realize until this morning that I have to work 11-5 this Saturday.  I'll try to trade it off, but I don't know for sure if I can make it.

I'm sure the snow will be able to keep everything cool.  I remember when I was a kid and we had my birthday party, we'd always stick all the 2-liters in the snow bank outside the back door because we didn't have room in the fridge.  The soda almost never froze.

I would play an Ice Bowl at Bevier in a heart beat. Why?



1]Never played in one before.

2]Bevier is the closer of the two for me

3]Umm well because I said so.

Hey guys cant wait for the ice bowl, Jon please tell me we will have these (//%22http://www.discgolfworld.com/product_detail.asp?product%5Fid=1648&mscssid=3DSAXVB977JS8PATRTABHD4A3MQEAGS8%22) available to purchase.

I'll hit Glencoe(Give me a chance to finally go play there :-)) and the Highland Park Courses.

Just wondering....



What is Shadow Doubles and Modified Best Shot

Brett you forgot to mention the coolest thing, Mach-5 Solar Dome as a raffle prize!

Shawn, and everyone else so not as to confuse, my comment about the solar dome was in reply to Brett's comment about the Dretzka(sp?) Ice Bowl, there they were giving it away as a raffle prize.

Damon]] I fairly positive we are playing 1-27.



So 4 days and counting! Accorind to The Weather Channel it should be a fairly nice day too!



Day

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High: 40°F

Light Wintry Mix

Wind: From the Southwest at 12 mph

Precip: 30 %

Max. Humidity: 65 %

UV Index: 2 Minimal

/me thinks you been doing too much of what the smiley in your post is doing.... :-)



Were only playing 18 holes at the winter league yeah, but the Ice Bowl is three rounds of 9 holes..... 1-9, 10-18, 19-27.

Shawn, I might be able to make it out Friday night for glow, but not positive so I wouldb't count on it. As for the tags I'll make sure we have pne for you on Sunday!

I'd be interested in playing.  Kyle an I were looking into the one at Dretzka as well.

SWEET!  I can't wait!



 What are the rules concerning lost discs?  ie: when the snow is deep, I tape a piece of red thin ribbon to the bottom of the disc so I can still find it when it goes under the snow, will we be able to do that, and if not, what will the time limit be for lost discs?

Do you usually tape to the bottom or the top of the disc?

Dang Steve, you got lots to say huh?  :-)

Shawn- you can probably just give the discs to Kyle friday night.

I'd play.  



I like the Pro/Am idea, but I'd also play if it was choose your own partner.

Would you want to change my charity mulligans idea into an Ice Bowl? I'd be willing to consider running the Bevier Ice Bowl with a little help from some club members.

How about the first weekend in January? We could call it the Tournament of Roses. Or if that name is taken, we could call it the Phoney Plastic Ice Bowl Just Down the Street. Bring your own partner doubles format. Whimps and Whiners invited and welcome! Would we still like to sell mulligans to benefit the charity? I suggest a payout of cash for pros and prizes for ams. I can get plenty of merch there for the tournament at reasonable prices. The difference between the wholesale cost of prizes and the retail value of the prize can then be donated to the charity.



Anyone have any thoughts on these ideas?

I am in the process of writing a more formal proposal for our Ice Bowl, but I wanted to share some of what I am thinking about.



#1 criteria for me is that it be fun!!! I am thinking a low entry fee, hi-lo random doubles format with some interesting doubles games played besides best shot.



I don't think we'd have enough daylight to run the tournament after league. We wouldn't be able to tee off untill at least 2pm. When we teed off at the Steady Ed glow at Parkside at about 2pm, we finished the first round in the dark and that was only 18 holes. I was thinking we'd play at least 27. I want to include everyone, but I think it would be logistically difficult to run the tournament on a sunday. Saturday would be better, in my opinion. I want to run the tournament during the "Ice Bowl Corridor" which is January 11th thru February 17th, but I don't want to run it the same weekend as Dretzka's Ice Bowl.



They bill their Ice Bowl as the "real" Ice Bowl. We should bill ours as the FUN Ice Bowl!!



Please post here to let me know what you think of my ideas for the Ice Bowl.

Two more thoughts:



We should think about a food related charity. I like the idea of the person who brings the most food wins a prize (probably a ColorMax Ice Bowl disc).



Second, no matter what charity we choose, I think all the money raised after expenses should go to it. If we sell mulligans that money should go to the charity as well. That's what this event is about.



I have some ideas about how to raise money for our baskets, but these efforts should be separate from the Ice Bowl.

I'm really excited about running this tournament, Bevier's 1st Ice Bowl, and know that we'll all have a great time! The focus on this tournament is going to FUN no matter what the weather, so BRING IT ON Mother Nature!!!

As Ice Bowl TD I am allowing the affixing of ribbons to the bottom of discs for the Ice Bowl. I suggest using Household Goo, but tape is also a viable option. Although affixing ribbons to the bottom of discs is not specifically endorsed by the PDGA, I know of at least one former PDGA Competition Director who endorsed its use for his local league. That's a good enough pedigree for me.

I've got the logo and am working on the flyer. I forgot to ask about leader board and leader board cards.

Sometime before or after league we can have a household goo "party" and we can goo up whoever's discs want to get gooed. I have a toob and its probably enough goo to goo a couple hundred discs.



***Ha! I spelled tube phonetically, looks humorous, so I didn't change it!

I think if I explained the picture, it would take away the mystery!



Jim, don't forget to send me the Discontinuum logo. I'd like to use it on the flyer.

Our Ice Bowl is registered and I have the official Ice Bowl logo. I got the logos you sent me. I didn't have access to the computer that has all this stuff over the thanksgiving weekend, and now that I do, I have toncilitus. But I'm on antibiotics and should be able to finish it up tomorrow. We're still waiting on a facilities availability from Waukegan parks?

Ice Bowl flyer is here!

Thanks all for posting flyers. Can anyone do some e-mailing? Let me know if you have a list of e-mail addresses of people who have attended past events or other disc golf lists.

QuoteMyndCraft (12-12-2002 03:33 p.m.):

Hey guys cant wait for the ice bowl, Jon please tell me we will have these (//%22http://www.discgolfworld.com/product_detail.asp?product_id=1648&mscssid=3DSAXVB977JS8PATRTABHD4A3MQEAGS8%22) available to purchase.

I just ordered the merch for the Ice Bowl and I did order a few of these. I will also bring an order form to the next meeting, and if anyone wants to order extra stuff, we can make a special order. I don't know if anyone is interested in any of the Ice Bowl 2003 clothing, but I only ordered discs, trophies and mini discs for the tournament. So, if you want any of the other stuff we can order it. My experience with ordering clothing for tournaments is that its hit or miss and I didn't want us to get stuck with a bunch of left over merch.

My above post may not have been clear. What I mean is that if you want something, pay the club and I'll order. When it comes in, I'll give it to you.

QuoteJust wondering....

What is Shadow Doubles and Modified Best Shot





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I'm going to post the rules soon. Maybe I'll get Bruce to e-mail me his copy of the rules. Shadow doubles is a game that I invented (I just never wrote the rules down!) and is played at Club Kensington and was used in the Shadow doubles event that I assistant TD'd at (hence people started calling it shadow doubles).

QuoteJim (01-08-2003 02:20 p.m.):

Cool, Pat!  Check with Jon, but I'd say 3 tables should do it.  Maybe 10 chairs?

That should be fine.

See why I waited for Bruce? It would have taken me at least 12 sentences to describe the rules.

I am fine with anyone that wants to do something extra, ie raffle, ctp, etc. I would ask for some help in actually running the extras, but all extras will be welcome.



I will run the event following all current PDGA rules. In that the PDGA rules do not cover doubles, there will be some interpretations made. If someone makes a throw that they are not entitled to make, it will be treated as a practice throw per PDGA rules. If someone throws from the wrong lie, that would also be treated the same as throwing from the wrong lie according to PDGA rules. If someone were to throw from the wrong lie intentionally, I would treat that as unsportsman conduct. It would be impossible to answer all of the hypothetical situations before the round begins except to say that I will apply PDGA singles rules as logically as I can to this doubles event and as TD of the event I will be prepared to rule on any disputes. Play the hole both ways if your group cannot come to a decision and then ask the TD after the round.

QuoteCE-Valkyrie (01-26-2003 04:25 p.m.):

Jon,

     I now have 9 small clip boards #'d 1 thru 9. I also picked up a box of 144ct golf pencils if you want to use them for the Ice Bowl.



    1 quick question. This is not a bring you own partner event. What happens if there are an odd # of people that show up?

THANKS! and THANKS! I was going to head to Office Depot to pick up pencils and clip boards tonight. That's a trip I don't have to make now!



There are a couple of people who have said they'd be willing to be "bubble boy"--that is play if there are an odd #, thereby making it even and to not play if there are an even # of people.

Brett,



Can you get the pencils and clip boards to someone who will be at the Ice Bowl first thing in the morning? Let me know if I need to drive up to your place and pick them up this week.

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QuoteJim (01-27-2003 11:45 a.m.):

Paul told me yesterday that he will not play if it is this cold. His med condition just won't allow it. So he has volunteered to man tables for a few hours.

So, I guess that makes me bubble boy?

Jim,



Actually I don't want to play this time since it is the first time I am running an event here. But that means that I don't really want to be bubble boy either, because then there's a fifty-fifty possibility that I will play.



But I do have a plan that will allow "bubble boy" to participate in the event and have some fun and maybe even win something even if he doesn't get to be on a team.



Any volunteers? I'll ask for a volunteer at the event if needed.



And we will be playing all holes, all tees.

I bought a bunch of coke, diet coke and sprite (eight, 2-liter bottles) and a bunch of plastic cups. Can anyone bring a big cooler and ice? Otherwise, we'll just have to put them in a pile of snow. : )

Jim asked me the other day if I was excited about the Ice Bowl. And I told him as much as I get excited about anything, yes I am. But I don't really get excited about much. However, I just had a twinge of excitement go thru me. Thought I'd share. It tired me out. I'm going to bed now.

Someone above asked why the guy gets to drive after the team took his drive on two consecutive holes:



He gets to drive due to the historical origin of the rule.  The game was invented by Mark Ellis and was played at the Doubles event before the 1999 Great Lakes Open.  Everyone wanted to throw every hole for the practice so Mark made it the rule that even though the throw could not be used, you could still throw it.  Then he added that if it was an ace, you could count it.

I can get as many tables as you want. Do you need chairs also?

I am planning on getting there by 9 or so with the tables and chairs. Unless you need them earlier.

Thanks for the offer Steve. I can get them myself.

Well, it doesnt look like I will be able to make it.  The guy that was supposed to work my shift at work just told me that he can no longer work.  I am going to ask a few more people, but it looks grim.  If nothing else, good luck everyone, and see you on sunday.

are we playing tees 1-9 for all 3 rds or alternates?

How much snow is on the ground in Waukegan? I know there might be more tonight so it'll probably be really slushy Saturday, but my boots aren't waterproof and I need to know how many pairs of dry socks to bring...



....not to mention towels....

Ummm....yeah, I actually had to edit it due to content length...   ;)

1). Alright JOsh!  That's very generous of you man!  Jim's got a good idea with the sign for the holes you are sponsoring.  A wooden stake, a color printer, a heavy cardboard cut out, and some clear packing tape should work pretty well, I would think, for getting your logo out there.  



2). Raffles are fun.  The more stuff there is, the better the chances of Joe Average are to win.  The more stuff there is, the more tickets will be sold, and the more money is made.  Everyone wins!



Shawn, thanks for the tip!  I was actually just being hypothetical.  I "never" think my drives will be bad.  They just turn out that way once I throw them.  ;)

Quotepat (01-29-2003 05:59 a.m.):

I am planning on getting there by 9 or so with the tables and chairs. Unless you need them earlier.

Pat, I was planning on leaving Kenosha around 8:30ish to get to Bevier right around 9:00.  If you need/want help with the tables and chairs, let me know!  I'll be happy to give you a hand.

QuoteJim (01-30-2003 12:35 p.m.):

Can someone please pick up a bag of salt (snow salt) we can use on the tees? Let me know please.....  THANKS!

Jim, I can grab a bag of salt and bring it down for the cement tees.  Do we have any ideas for making the tees on the alternate positions safer?  A running shot off the tee on 12, 13, etc could be disasterous with wet grass and snow!  :)

I just want to say that this rocked!  Thanks to everyone for a great time!  While a tie for 5th place (aka "last" place) isn't where I (or Damon, I'm sure) wanted to be, it's motivation to do better next time.  ;)



I definitely want to thank Damon for dealing with me through 27 holes, especially after my first drive of the day hit the only tree on the fairway and went a total of 24 feet.  :)



I also want to thank Jon for running such a great event.  I had a great time (I think everyone did) and the fact that it was all for charity gave me the warm fuzzies.  Having a good time and helping out people in need, what could be better?  Well, I suppose taking home a plaque and half a dozen new discs (Jason!) might make it a little better... ;)  



Anyway, thanks to all, and I hope to be able to play a round or three with everyone soon.