this may or may not be true depending on the thrower, but all the discs like the starfire and wraith are great for speed and distance but leave alot to be desired in the accuracy department. sometimes my stafire will flip, sometimes stable, but it always leaves me wondering. it seems that the teebirds, orcs, and firebirds are very predictable and given a full arm throw they only leave maybe 20 to 40 shorter than the '11' speed discs would. anybody else experience this?
Quote from: whofarted on May 01, 2006, 09:34:25 AM
this may or may not be true depending on the thrower, but all the discs like the starfire and wraith are great for speed and distance but leave alot to be desired in the accuracy department. sometimes my stafire will flip, sometimes stable, but it always leaves me wondering. it seems that the teebirds, orcs, and firebirds are very predictable and given a full arm throw they only leave maybe 20 to 40 shorter than the '11' speed discs would. anybody else experience this?
Yeah; Starfire is more or less my go-to distance disc as long as I don't really care where it lands.
QuoteYeah; Starfire is more or less my go-to distance disc as long as I don't really care where it lands.
same thing here - when i started all i threw was teebirds and firebirds and i could imagine that if i had this wind and that discs it would go there if i threw it the way i wanted. with the starfire it is basically a crap shoot - all that dome and the bulk of the weight on the lip located nearest to the center makes for a long flight but no garuntess.
Are you guys talking about the Starfire-L or the Starfire? The pro line Starfire is an L. The CFR Starfire which was recently released as the new Champion Starfire is not an L. I thought the new Champion Starfire was a lot less flippy, but I did not get many takers on them at IOS #1 because of the Star hysteria. -_-
The Surge is a bit more stable than the Starfire-L. The "$10 value" player pack at IOS #2 is your choice of 15 Brass or a Surge and a Pro-D disc of your choice, limit 25 each day.
i have both the pro and a candy fundraiser starfire - the candy one is alot better as far as predictability goes. i am really intrested in trying that 'surge' out. is that in their z plastic or pro d?
The surge is in the ESP plastic, which is similar to star.
I like the Surge, for me the fade at the end is in between the Avenger and Wraith. It's good stuff :)
The ESP plastic is similar to the shiny Star plastic and the Surges will be in ESP. I'm getting a lot of Surges for IOS #2 because I'm getting a good deal from Discraft and Hot Rags wants us to add their sponsorship in a way that will let a lot of players know where they are.
On topic, the same characteristics that increase speed decrease predictable stability. This is true of discs and jet fighters! The concave under rim, the bead, any flight plate rings or dimples, and the sharp corner where the under rim turns up to meet the flight plate all produce drag which stabilizes the disc and slows it down.
So your observation is true. The faster discs have a narrower range of air speeds and attack angles where you can get the result you were aiming for. They have a smaller sweet spot, to use a golf term.
Quote from: bruce_brakel on May 01, 2006, 10:46:53 AM
Are you guys talking about the Starfire-L or the Starfire? The pro line Starfire is an L.
Mine are Pro Line. The first one I had, a 172, is my favorite but it was starting to beat up so I haven't used it in awhile. (I've got to break this habit of not throwing discs I really like, but...) The 174 they gave out at Mokena last yr is still in pretty good shape, as is the 171 'Batfire', although that one is the least predictable of the 3 - maybe it's the dye job. ;)
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The Surge is a bit more stable than the Starfire-L. The "$10 value" player pack at IOS #2 is your choice of 15 Brass or a Surge and a Pro-D disc of your choice, limit 25 each day.
Ease up on the sales pitch, Bruce. I'll take one and I don't want you running out before I get there on Sunday. ::)
Try an illusion, stable but got a lot of glide if you just turn it slightly.
Quote from: Cannon Boy on May 01, 2006, 07:11:59 PM
Try an illusion, stable but got a lot of glide if you just turn it slightly.
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I'm young and strong and my rating is really climbing and pretty soon I'll go pro and hey you Gateway guys you really ought to sponser me. ::)
Kind of what I was thinking