First event is Jan 5th @ 1pm. Bevier Park.
I'm a little nervous about the longer road trips. I won't be able to make quite a few due to coaching conflicts.
Heh! Chu phooked up! I thought they looked fishy & that's why I was searching for a 2003 calendar... Guess I should purchase a day planner for disc golf use... [img="http://www.rafansrule.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"]
Strategy? Try to make as many as possible and play your best game.
Why show up if you think you're that far ahead? Someone could have an outstanding day and not only erase one of their not as good days but pick up a whole lot of strokes on you. After all, ahead/behind will be a sliding average all the way until the end of the year.
If you show up for only seven events and bring your best game to those seven you stand just as much of a chance of placing as anyone else that showed up for all twelve.
One of the reasons why this is so fair to all is the fact that it's essentially a travelling tourney. I haven't ever played 7 of the 12 courses we're playing at, and I'm sure many of the safari regulars haven't either. That helps to level things out a bit also....
So, does this mean I can play league in Am based on my PDGA rating of a NOV? Heh! :D
two things -
first, thanks for reminding me of my wonderful first round at the tourney... I almost had it repressed into submission! :p
second - our best shot scoring system is heavily biased towards 1st thru 4th place. because of this i don't think that scoring method is fairest.
No matter how hard we try we are not going to be able to have a scoring method that will be totally fair to everyone...
oh, and that other thread you linked will be useless to bruce or anyone that doesn't have rights to the private club area....
Its okay Bruce. This is the second season for the Safari and we're still trying to fine tune it. Plus, last year was only four events and now this year is one event a month.
Suggestions for changes to next year's Safari are definately welcome, but (speaking as someone who isn't in power to change things anyhow) unless there is a major flaw in our current format I doubt it would change for the current year.
(this was written while shawn was composing his above reply...)
I keep waffling between the two possible scoring systems..... Honestly, I don't know which is best.
I can see how points (I know, before I said it was unfair) would be good, in that you get one point for playing plus one or two for every player you beat then still drop your worst finishes provided you play more than seven rounds. Or give first X points, then go down the scale to last place (much like best shot, but starting off with more points than needed hopefully).
At the same time, I can see how overall score can be attractive because it shows how well you played on your best seven rounds.
We (the public) can debate this as much as we want. It's up to the Ops committee, the VP, and Prez to decide if scoring needs to be altered. If so, it needs to be done soon....
If I'm supposed to vote on this I will, but as the club's lowly webmaster I didn't think I had a say...
okay, now you've made me want to think about this a little more... consider my previous vote, if you saw it, retracted.
if we keep total score I think we have to play all 18-hole courses.
So, three Wisconsin courses in a row? Doesn't sound too bad, now just gotta get that okayed by the wife! :)
Okay - My vote is for overall score after 7 best events. If this doesn't work well, and we should be able to tell by mid-year, it will be changed for 2004.
Yeah, I think this will work best in the long run.... I know I said keep what was decided but honestly my vote was more for keeping the club good on its word, so to speak.
In regards to Joliet - no reason now to change venues. Changing one thing is bad enough, in my opinion... lets not change two more more.
oh, and glad the data line I ran for you is working out, jojo! Or, should i say dr dye? :D
Hope to god it's 18... The wife was pissed enough when I sprung this on her earlier this week.
I will be there.
Hmm.... Maybe I'll finally understand the whole 'stump' thing on Saturday!
why do you say don't leave your discs in your car? just curious...
that CTP is MINE!
yeah, but wasn't that in the middle of indian summer and you drove straight into a tree?
Jim - I was actually talking to Myk about the whole indian summer thing... But it is funny to know that happened to you as well.. :-p
Hey Steve, it was great having you with us to play!
Plus, it weren't no big thang to go out on the ice to get your disc. This time of year the ice on the southern and SW side of the pond gets quite thick. It looked to be at least 4" thick when I went out on Saturday.
Anyhow, hope to see you at the next Safari... or perhaps leagues?
wait, you can feel your fingers!? Unfair advantage!!!! :-p
Hmm... token creek safari conflicting with Standing Rocks isn't quite as bad as the Parkside/Widdershins conflict. I want to play both, and since my twin is nowhere to be found I don't think thats possible. Since Parkside's event is a WI Tour stop & is a sanctioned event, I'd say move ours to the weekend after to enable publicity of our event at Parkside & allow people to play both.
I agree with Bruce about not changing the Safari schedule. It's been publicized, and the schedule will be available for people to take at the Ice Bowl at Dretzka this weekend. Granted, the Widdershins will be on the that same schedule handed out, however moving the tournament would be far easier than moving around the safari dates.
I say move the Widdershins, leave everything else intact.
After all, the safari is best of 7.
Jim - when do you think you will know for sure when that fishing thing is that you believe is the weekend after the current date for the Widdershins?
If the course is closed to us for events (obviously still open to the public... what are they gonna do, put soccer players on all the holes?!) on that day it will put a crimp in our fledgling plans to move the 'shins to the weekend after the UWP event.
The Parkside event in question isn't part of the Safari series, rather it's a PDGA sanctioned tournament.
I intend to, however I don't have any results to post.
Jim - did you ever call Trigg about the fishing thing in June?
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (01-25-2003 10:22 a.m.):
Are the Safari Results going to be posted on the website?
As requested..... delivered!
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/results-safari1.html
If anyone could provide a little help on last names for people who played lower I'd appreciate it!
Thanks guys.
You didn't know that Channahon is going to be a 'classic safari' course? :p
actually, I'm just messing with you. I have no idea why 5 people have volunteered to provide maybe one basket...
Can I get bumped down for sucking?
It was decided at the meeting yesterday that the May Safari will remain as scheduled due to recent communications that Jojo has had with Larry Ast.
Token Creek is scheduled to be put back in the ground around May 1st, and he will call Larry again in the near future to see if that is still the target.
If, within a week of the safari it looks like the pins will not be in, then a last minute rescheduling will take place and every effort will be taken to ensure that all are notified.
Yeah, the Safari was high up on the agenda and I think it was covered before you arrived.
There still is a chance that it will be switched with Streamwood, but thats really dependant on Jojo's next conversation with Larry.
Heh... little SNAFU for ya. My business trip out of town that was supposed to put me in the Dells the week before the Safari has been bumped back a week.
Unfortunately I won't have a chance to play the course before the day of.
Guess this means that you have to call Larry, Joe. Guessing by how dry its been I'm assuming that the course will be in if it isn't already.
I know that for sure myself (wife willing, will know in a day or two) and Myk, probably Jojo also, were going to play. I think Jojo's gonna give Larry a call in a day or so to find out what the plan for the baskets are.
I am against modifying the schedule, this is what got the safari all f00ked up last year.
After all, it's best 7 of 12 so its your bad if you have something else planned that day. Perhaps whomever does the schedule for next year's safari should think about putting Token a little later in the year...
Yeah, I think the only reason why the schedule should be changed (and this applies to any date, not just Madison) is if the course is not in the ground or similar circumstances.
Hey yo, Dr Dye - When are you going to call Larry?
I'll help out with the phone tree if it comes to that.
hey man, its all about the points! :D
I will be responsible for getting the prizes, etc from Jim for Saturday as I will be there for sure.
My baby was hatched, however his surrogate mother has decreed that I not think of DG on Sunday. (okay, that's a little far fetched... Of course I'm gonna think about disc golf! :D )
Curious about teeing this Saturday. Token has two sets of concrete tees for each hole, however previous safaris where there are two tees for the holes both divisions played the same tees....
Am I safe in assuming that the same will hold true for Token?
Jon - If you're not at the Safari on Saturday do you want me to run the ace pool in your absence? Obviously if anyone hits it they'd have to collect from you next time they see you...
Or, what's the pool at now? I may have enough in the petty cash fund Jim gave me to cover.
There is an outhouse that may or may not be open for the summer yet... Chances are yes, but ya never know. The outhouse is located early in the course, maybe somewhere around 6?
Otherwise, its off to the woods with ye!
I have the cards from Saturday & will update when I get a chance
Ohhhhhh, I see. Gonna play the semantics game with me eh? :p
I'll get to it as soon as I can.
Where's Waldo?
Steering this thread back on topic....
Results & standings as of Token Creek have been posted.
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/results-safari-total.html
Hmm... thats a good question. I was just adding onto whatever your points were before, assuming that was up to date.
I'll fix that in a bit, thanks for pointing it out.
I hand added, okay with the help of Excel..., the safari totals myself when I updated them. Unless the individual results are incorrect then the totals page is up to date.
I agree with Jay, except maybe the final bump decision should lie upon the series TD and not all officers. Maybe Ops, just cuz it'd be more their arena.
wow, thats a lotta crap.
Topic sway..... If you kids want to talk about the Illinois Championships please start a new thread.
QuoteJon Brakel (07-22-2003 06:31 p.m.):
We are talking about the tees that we are going to play at the West Park Safari. How is that off topic? :p
You're playing all the tees? Granted, this is slightly related to the upcoming Safari but don't you guys think the discussion would have been better placed in the West Park thread under Courses where future visitors may be able to get a clue where the alternate tees are located?
I think we're always interested in suggestions for improvement, Bruce.
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (09-13-2003 10:18 p.m.):
Also, scores for West Park are not updated yet.
Yeah, thats cuz nobody's given them to jay or I yet.
Yeap. I bumped the relevant thread under web updates.
Brett - check your PM's
There, that better?
Nervous? Cuz Im gonna kick your booty?
You only need to make 7 events in 12 months - you can do it!
I think we'll do OK this year. First, we'll be doing tons of advertising ahead of time. We're also opening it up to non-members, which will be good because, hopefully, we'll get some locals to come out at each of their respective courses. This should shake up the usual top scorers and make things even more interesting and fun (generating interest in the club and in Safari Series). We just have to make sure the dates don't conflict with local leagues, etc. But most of them have not completed their 2003 schedules yet. So our reserving the courses so far ahead of time will help a lot.
Man, I FIXED THAT!!!!! Must have grabbed an old version..... Sorry. YES, SAFARIS ARE ON THE 2ND SATURDAY of every month, beginning with JANUARY 11th!
just to recap (in the proper thread) . . . . . .
2003 SAFARI SERIES
12 Monthly Events at 12 Area Courses!
Best Overall Score from Best 7 Rounds – Handicapped Singles
2nd Saturday of Every Month – 1:00pm Start at Designated Course
Schedule:
January 11th – Bevier Park, Waukegan, IL
February 8th – Community Park, Channahon, IL
March 8th – Fairfield Park, Round Lake, IL
April 12th – Madison Meadows, Lombard, IL
May 10th – Vallarta-Ast Park (Token Creek), Madison, WI
June 14th – Anna Page Park, Rockford, IL
July 12th – Vollrath Park, Sheboygan, WI
August 9th – West Park, Joliet, IL
September 13th – UW Parkside, Kenosha, WI
October 11th – Shady Oaks Park, Streamwood, IL
November 8th – Dretzka Park, Milwaukee, WI
December 13th – Lippold Park, Crystal Lake, IL
Depends. He has not played many IL courses and would be playing them blind. You've played most of them. Opposite for Wisconsin. Depends on when and where you each play.
I am playing for the fun of it. Although I really hope to bring my game up a notch or three this year, I know my chances of winning Safari are slim. I just wanna play these courses together with you guys because it will be a hoot!
Besides, I think you're underestimating yourself, Dogg! Remember that 5-down in the dark at Parkside? You've been pretty hot for a while now.....
Thanks for that back info, Brett.
But now I'm getting confused. We talked about Safari at the past 2 or 3 meetings. We went around and around about scoring. Now less than a week before we start, we're re-thinking it all? I've already posted and emailed tons of folks with our schedule. That's why we started planning early.
Most people said they didn't want a points system for every type of event we play. People asked for straight scoring. Don't forget folks will be divided into Upper and Lower pools.
What isn't fair is changing the format/system a few days before the events; a bunch of players/members do not have internet access and therefore have no way to voice their opinions except at meetings. If I showed up to an event which was talked about at meetings, gave my suggestions, saw the schedule, and thought it was a done deal, then when its time to play the format or scoring is different, I'd say "screw it".
However, if people REALLY think the scoring system is more unfair than fair, tell us now.
Bruce, I hope you make it!
Shawn, your suggestions DO NOT go unheard! I just try to mix a little of what everyone wants, try to make it fair, and talk about it at meetings and other places. I am open to ALL opinions and comments.
The reason we changed it was because so many people TOLD ME and SAID AT MEETINGS that last year's Safari was bogus - or at least needed an overhaul. Some folks didn't like points because it was unfair. So I changed it. I don't care if we keep points, keep total scores, or throw cowpoop at each other to see who wins. I just want it to work and that everyone has fun. To me, it is fun to play with my friends at different courses. This Safari Series has so many variables that we'd be planning until 2008 if we wanted to totally level the playing field and make all players equal. We can't do that because players aren't equal. Even if you gave me an extra stroke handicap per hole and let me throw from the baby tees, someone like Barry Schultz would still kick my butt. The current format is just one if the best we can come up with.
What I am getting frustrated with is that 16 different people showed up to the last 3 meetings when all this was discussed at length. AFTER the decisions were made at the year-end meeting, I specifically stopped everything and asked - TWICE - if there were ANY questions or concerns at all about ANY events. It was my understanding that we all agreed that the schedule, events, etc., was fine - or at least would work - and that it was fair.
NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR TO ANYONE. What we have made is the best possible schedule to accommodate all levels of players.
Hey man, it's all good.
I'd like to get Myk's input as well.
First issue: Jon is right about Joliet, duh. It really should be an 18-holer. I suggest either Tendick Park in Saukville, WI (about an 1.75 hours from Bevier) which is a new 18-hole FUN course in a huge park. Not too many long holes, but has lots of opportunities for righties and lefties. I add Manitowoc or Grafton as alternate courses. Options? Thanks, Jon!
Second issue: Scoring. Shawn, I've been thinking about what you wrote. I'm playing upper, going against the likes of you, Al, Mirth, Jojo, Brett, and others. I know that unless miracles happen, I can get 3rd at best. I still wanna play because I love to play when ANYONE is playing well. Yeah, it burns my nads when Brett makes 8 straight 40-foot putts, but man it is cool to witness it! But still . . . at different courses, anyone may discover they have some advantage and win.
Anyway, I've been trying to figure out how to incorporate points and straight scoring, and nothing fits well. We'd have to do one or the other. Both ways have advantages and disadvantages. I say all club officers vote on it before tomorrow (Tuesday) night: either points or total scoring.
I vote for total scoring.
We need Myk, Jay and Mirth to vote.
Talked to Paul this morning already. He says keep it as scoring.
Yep. You get a vote because you Webmaster is a Club Officer position. However, if you hold 2 offices, like Jay, you may only vote once.
And you know, the more I think about this, the more frustrated I am becoming. I cannot figure out why some folks think that going by score is bad when you only count 7 events. WHY? I don't see that reasoning at all. I also found in my notes that Brett, Jojo, Brent, Al G., and others were the ones who wanted to change from points to something else. Now, after months of discussion and meetings, you changed your mind? We all voted on it. Why hold meetings if nobody is paying attention? Why vote on it only to change it in this arena that not everyone has access to (Board & internet)? THAT is not fair to other club members who showed up to meetings and thought it was a done deal. They got a voice then, but might not now.
Say, by chance, we actually get 2 or 3 non-members to show up. Suddenly, the format is changed. They might not check the website or Board. Oh well? Too bad? Like it or lump it? That's not the kind of club I was trying to form. And it makes us look confused.
Many people wanted to get acurate handicaps via the Safari (can't be done by points). People wanted to go head-to-head against other players (instead of best shot doubles) to see how they'd fare. Gee, going by score seems pretty clear. Using 2 groups, upper and lower, evens this out furrther.
The points for showing up is bogus. that's one reason we are doing 7 of 12, in case players go on vacation, or coach sports and can't make it sometimes, or want to play other tourneys on some weekends. It gives you more opportunity to choose the courses you might do better at.
These are all reasons why we changed it to total scoring. So, before you vote, remember all the bitching that was done during last year's Safari Series and why.
Please forgive my venting/rantings. I know everyone is just trying to make these events the best they can be. That's what is making our club better every year.
And yes, after we choose another course in place of Joliet, all will be 18-holers.
Glad to hear you're up and running, Jojo! Sweet dyes, baby!
Well, from what I hear on this board and from speaking to Jon and Paul again, POINTS is how we will score our Safari Series. Let's use a set point structure as I believe Brett and Jay suggested, like last year. Although we may have more players this year, let's keep:
1st = 10 points
2nd = 9 points
3rd = 8 points
4th = 7 points
5th = 6 points
6th = 5 points
7th = 4 points
8th = 3 points
9th = 2 points
10th = 1 point
11th = 1 point
12th = 1 point
and so on
If we raise it to 15 pts for 1st, it may allow the best players to create an insurmountable lead after a few rounds. If we lower it, and we get a few strong turnouts, too many players will be garnering only 1 point. 10 is good, yes?
Also, should we keep Joliet on the schedule since we're playing for points? It really will not make a difference - at least no more of a difference in courses than Bevier to Token Creek.
OK? Are we good to go?
BTW, all this stuff is good stuff. Things may not always turn out the way we want them, but they always turn out. Thanks for all the input.
NOW GET OUT and BRING YOUR GAME!
OK, so now that a lot of the icky administrative stuff is solid, WHO IS PLAYING THIS SATURDAY AT OUR 1st SAFARI??? Who is gonna be brought down by the mighty hand of the Scooterzilla? Come on down and bring it on!
It's gonna suck a little for me this year; since I'm going to be making more PDGA events around the Midwest, I'll be missing some of the summer Safari dates. Standing Rocks (not clear whether Ams or Pros weekend) is the same date as our Madison/Token Creek date. Still, I'm ready for all y'all!
We will be playing Holes 1-18.
At the end of any round of 18 and there is a tie, the two+ players tied will go back to Hole #1 and play full holes until the tie is broken.
If there is a tie at the end of the entire series, a 9-hole final playoff will be played from Bevier's 19-27 Holes one week after the December Safari date.
Since you claim he is your puppet, I wouldn't think of breaking you up. Besides, he's driving like, what, 4 hours, to play with us? I think that appropriate groupings will fall into place.......
Which hole would you like the CTP prize donated for? May I suggest a really hard one, like #7? Whatever is fine with me.
Oooohh boy . . . .
Tomorrow, the first Safari Series date, is at Bevier. The temp is supposed to drop to between 10-20 degrees, with 10-15 mph winds, making it feel like below zero. Oh yeah, and possible light flurries.
So dress warm, don't leave your discs in the car tonight, and prepare to do battle!
The prize discs for tomorrow just got here. First place prize for Upper: 173(?) Beast with rainbow Sun King logo (our sponsor).
First place prize for Lower: 173 Beast with green Sun King logo.
CTP for Hole #7: Jon/Bruce Brakel providing.
CTP for Hole #8 Upper: Elite X Talon.
CTP for Hole #8 Lower: Elite X Talon.
These Talons are SWEET and feel like the old floppy Cyclone or Typhoon plastic.
So, if you have been undecided about showing up in the frigid weather, come out to play! Hopefully these discs will be incentive!
Excellent! The Doctor is IN! Jiggy!
Bruce, will we have to THROW the stump or throw TO the stump? Can we opt to throw the stump? At another player? (Before the 2-minute warning, of course.) I have a feeling that your stump has Brett's name written on it..........
Any aces during any of the 12 events will receive one disc each (max value $15). If anyone wants to do a side/casual Ace Pool, that's fine.
In the car.....
I once had a Tracer which I left in my car overnight (well, over 2 weeks in the winter). The first tree I hit split the disc in 2 halves.
That, unfortunately, was ANOTHER time. And BTW, thanks for reminding me. ;-p
The first time was at Adler in about '95 on what is now Hole #4. Alex Bingman was my partner; he didn't stop laughing for 3 holes. Loudly.
Boy, this memory lane stuff is sure . . . fun . . .
WOOOOO-HOOOOO!
Now that my face has thawed . . . .
Yeah, what a great turnout! Thanks to everyone who showed up & thanks to Bruce Brakel for driving 6 hours from Michigan to play with us, donating a disc and a FABULOUS handmade trophy, and becoming a member! Thanks also to Steve Cohn and Damon Short for beoming members. I'm glad Brett made it in time - and Shawn who drove straight from Dayton, Ohio (after driving from North Carolina) to play! Man you guys are committed!! Or should be....
The temp was officially down to 11 degrees. With a gusty 10+ mph wind, it felt like 5 below zero!
Shawn Comstock took the day with a -2!
Congrats to all!
Welcome, Steve! I'll email you tonight!
Also, we have some conflicts in our schedule.
Our 5th Safari Series in Madison conflicts with the Wisconsin Tour's Standing Rocks Open.
Also, the Widdershins conflicts with Parkside's Prairie Open PDGA event. Put on your thinking caps...... I'll post on this again after work.........
Here's the skinny:
May 3-4: Pickle Open, Sheboygan, PDGA B-Tier
May 3-4: Standing Rocks Open, AM weekend,
Stevens Point
May 3-4: Michiana Open, South Bend PDGA A-Tier
May 10-11: Safari Series #5 Token Creek, Madison
May 10-11: Standing Rocks, PRO weekend,
Stevens Point
May 11th: MOTHERS DAY! UG!
May 11: Homie's Spring Fling, Indiana, PDGA B-Tier
May 11: Spring Best Shot League wk 8, Bevier
May 17-18: Fox Valley Open, Appleton,
PDGA B-Tier
May 24-25: Open except for Spring Best Shot
League wk 10 (end)
May 31-June 1: Parkside's Prairie Open PDGA event
June 1: Widdershins Open
June 7-8: Peoria Open, PDGA Supertour
June 7-8: Baraboo Open, PDGA B or C-Tier
June 7-8: Bevier's Annual Fishing Derby (I think) - disc golf course is closed for the day
June 14: Junior League start
June 14: Safari Series #6 in Rockford
Soooooo......
I propose to move the May Safari (#5 - at Token Creek in Madison) to Saturday, April 26th
- and (this is gonna the hard one in regards to WPD) -
move the Widdershins Open to Saturday, May 24th
This allows players the time to play more events with much less conflict. Whatever we decide, we'll ahve to post the changes on the board, the website, and at as many courses as possible. I've gotten a few emails from players in WI, IL and MI who want to play at least one Safari event, so lets cover all bases.
I'm going to call Mike Trigg tomorrow and find out about the Fishing Derby.
Steve, I obviously wrote down your address incorrectly and cannot email you. Can you please give it to me again? THANKS!
I will call Gary Lewis and will bring Danny's Skillshot as well.
Because we're all over-achievers and are trying to cure our deep-seated insecurities by overcompensating. You know, as in "my practice basket is bigger than yours".......
I'll be leaving from Bevier at 11:00am. Yes, Shawn, same course I think. My small car can't hold much, but can fit three comfortably w/o baskets.
Just because you rub elbows with the great Elaine King, us Flatlanders might not be the easy pickings you expect....
Hope to see you there!
I think we should all play from the same tees. Longs are fine.
Community Park
Channahon, Illinois Course Established: 1982
Directions: 41/94/294 South to I-55. Go toward St. Louis. From I-55, exit #248, east on Rte. 6, left on Frontage Rd., right on McClintock, Canal Road, park is 1 mile on left.
Holes: 18-Mach2 Tee Type: Limestone
Course Length: 4816
Average Length:267.56
Alternate Course Length: 5407
Holes 1-300 ft: 14
Holes 300-400 ft: 3
Holes over 400 ft: 1
See you there. BTW, $20 will get you on the card with Jay! :-)
Thanks Jay and Damon! That's a FAB idea!
I can fit 2 more people in my Honda. I'll be leaving Bevier at 11:15 sharp. Who needs a ride?
No problem. Compensation is not necessary, silly!
Bruce, do you have a BagTag and what number is it?
I'll be at Bevier tomorrow at 11 and am driving myself, Danny, and Myk. There's room for a fourth maybe. Remember, its a Honda 2-door.
I look forward to playing; weather should be pretty nice with some decent windage.
dOoD.
Hmmm lets see.
4am.
Drunk.
GLOW DISC!!!!!
I really hate those lightning blots!
After thinking about this for a week now, I agree with keeping the Safari schedule in tact. There will be at least 4 club members here and maybe we'll garner a few locals.
Move the meeting back 1 week. More will get done with more people there.
Brett, I believe this one's your call......
Yes, congrats Josh!!!!
BTW, I refer to my wonderful wife as "She Who Knows".
Thanks, Mirth! I hope ya'll have a great time!
you mutha
Right after another ride on the Ducks......
How much is that doggie in the window?
Dunno. I'll go over info and pass it on to Jay this evening.........
Anna Page Park. 18 holes, similar to Dretzka. Very nice course, but haven't been there in over a year. Greater Rockford Area Bushmasters was the club back in the day, but I have no idea who's running things now. I also heard there was a tourney there soon.......
here's the link from discgolf.com:
http://pdga.com/courses_by_city.php?id=223
Chud enjoyed it more than I did. It was 95 degrees in the shade that day, so my opinion might be tainted.
It was not a horrible thing, just nt as good as some others. I think Alex and Tim Davis really like Sinnissippi. So it can't be all bad.
I went to the Sinnissippi Open 2 years ago.
Boring course. Not well organized. Lots of jerks.
Probably me. Maybe Chud. Maybe Paul.
That was Mary MacGregor. Minne Ripperton sang "Loving You" (Is Easy cuz You're Beautiful). Olivia Newton John, well, I'm not getting into that . . . .
:-)
The way I had unofficially set up bumping for the Safari Series was that if anyone took 1st place 3 times, they'd move up to the Upper Pool. But whatever officers decide on is fine.
What course?
I take it the "other course" is Manitowoc?
Russian IS confusing because it uses the Cyrillic alphabet.
Lithuanian simply combines Pig Latin with lots of phlegm and rolled Rrrrrrrrrrrs.
Spoken like a true rightie.....
:)
Jay, can you please call Gary Lewis and make sure there are no leagues scheduled for West Park on Safari day? Thanks, bud.
You know, we've got 5 events remaining. It is still anyone's game.....
Now is a great time for new ideas.
I've been in contact with Wilbur, the state rep, about a 2004 Illinois Tour. Possibly turning the Safari into the IL Tour is an option. I'll post more on this in another thread later.
what the heck are you talking about damon?
you are so full of pitts! my rules are perfect, absolute, unquestionable, and fully applicable to all players, especially soon-to-be GrandMasters!
Actually, I kinda like your idea about 8 best, 9 best, etc. Pretty cool.
Jay is the big Safari Kahuna now.
We've heard the arguments.
Unless we're waiting for Angela Landsbury or Peter Falk.
Give to us your commandment, oh Lawgiver!
So I take it we are playing parkside from the LONG tees? I hope so!!!
BTW, I'll be taking the lowest DISContinuum AND Wisconsin BagTags from you suckas!
i LOVE those placements pat!
Couldn't get the lock open? Dennis hasn't been eating his wheaties!
will YOU be there saturday?
i'd offer to have kirsten babysit, but she will be gone all day saturday near madison
damon, you'd better practice; no resting on your laurels! just think, when I'm a grandmaster, you'll be a legend! ha! :)
Ditto what Pat said.
i'm just worried about the longer trips. i just have visions of crystal lake all over again.
Jim,
Safri Series is the 2nd Saturday of the month, correct? On the schedule you handed out today, you have the 2nd Sunday of each month.
so what is the strategy going to be for the safari series?
i am predicting that the winner of the adv/pro will be -50 strokes on 2nd place
& the winner of am will be -30 strokes on 2nd place.
i am fine with the new rules & that they were voted on. that is my fault for not paying attention to detail. i'm just wondering in the long run when someone is down 25 to 30 strokes, why would they show up? if i know i'm going to be at 7 events & I know i can't place, wouldn't i be better off going & buying $49.00 worth of discs.
you have some valid points but as a coach i understand what i'm matching up against. i have to be realistic. i know for a fact that i cannot beat shawn or al if they both play in seven events. i have enough troubles competing with the other solid advanced players in our club. yeah, maybe i could get lucky & beat once but consistenly over 7 events, no way. i look to play par every time i step onto the course. anything below is a bonus. shawn will easily shoot par if not under at every course. i'm sure his goal is to shoot 4-8 down every time he plays. I figure shawn is EASILY 4-5 strokes better. i'm looking at a 28 to 35 shot difference by the end of 7 events. that is if i play pretty good disc golf.
how about wearing a little skirt next time jay?
I'm not trying to get the scoring system changed for this year. I'm just voicing my opinion for next year, & who knows, maybe this point system is the right thing & it will shut me up. I'm just concerned that it is not going to be competitive. I've stated before that it is my fault for not paying more attention to detail. I missed the scoring info at the meetings for some reason. I think a big factor I liked last year is that there was a reward for showing up. Jim, Jason, & I were rewarded for playing in Crystal Lake when no one else showed up. What if only 2 people show up in Joliet & both shoot +100 over par. They wouldn't make up ground on anyone. They would have to drop that score. I'm just throwing out some ideas that I thought about earlier but Bruce sparked up my feelings toward the scoring.
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/
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Here is the link to the Safari Series Page. I think this will help out. We are playing all 18 hole courses. I think the scoring is going to be interestingly bad/good. 1 awful day or one great day can make or break your series depending on how many you play. A top player from either division could run away with 1st easily. I've already made my predictions. If possible, pick the shortest/easiest courses during the year. I've played 9 of the 12 courses. Bevier & Lippold are by far the 2 easiest. Don't miss these 2 or you may not stand a chance.
Here is another link to another discussion. ] http://discontinuum.org/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.cgi?action=Read&BID=9&TID=113&SID=2117
Hopefully this helps Bruce
on the other thread there was a discussion about safari weekly ties. how will weekly ties be broken at safari series events?
I thought the safari scoring last year was very accurate. We gave the first place finisher 20 & went down 1 point for every position. I think after 4 events that Al & Shawn were within 1 or 2 points & several others were just 3-5 points back.
Sorry Bruce, forgot that you cannot access that board.
Sorry Mirth, for bringing back those bad memories.
Example of scoring.
These are the resulst of the first & second rounds of the Steady Ed Tournament @ Parkside. Both 18 holes Long then Short. Here is why I don't like the scoring.
Shawn--58--49--107---0
Brett---62---49--111--+4
Jim-----61--57--118---+11
Jon----67--52--119----+12
Myk---67---59--126---+19
Mirth--75--57--132----+25
It is impossible to make 11+ strokes up unless you drop that score. You can't expect a top player to drop that many strokes.
Best Shot type Scoring
Shawn--10--9---19
Brett---6----9---15
Jim-----8---4----12
Jon----4----6----10
Myk----2---2----4
Mirth---1---1----2
Just throwing some ideas out for next year.
The best thing about this is that we are able to discuss the scoring now rather than bitch about it later. I didn't mean to spark anything, I was just throwing out my stupid opinions. That is the best thing about DISContinuum & this sweet message board.
I think we should keep in mind that all our opinions will keep this club growing. No one is right or wrong on any topic. That is how we feel. Don't take anything personal.
I've been known to be an idiot on more than
1(100) ocassions. I really like the Safari Series. I was one who liked the scoring last year. I remember talking about the Safari Series at each meeting. I know we discussed prizes, format., & schedule. I honestly can't remember talking about the scoring. For some reason I thought we were throwing out our worst score like we did last year. I knew that we were going to take the seven best scores & throw out the worst if over 7 events were played. I must have had a brain fart & ASSumed. I already stated that it was MY FAULT for not paying to attention detail if scoring was discussed in more detail.
I'm not trying to pressure anyone into changing anything. I still plan to play every event that I can & i'll have fun no matter what the outcome is.
Personally i'd like to see a set point value. Here is what i'd vote for. Best Shot scoring is decent but it is tough when you finish outside of 5th place & lose a bunch of points. I don't imagine that we will get more than 10 per division. If so, it could be bumped up to 20. If only you show up, you are rewarded with 10 points no matter how good or bad you throw. If 10 show up, you have to earn every point you can get.
1st-] 10
2nd-] 9
3rd-] 8
4th-] 7
5th-] 6
6th-] 5
7th-] 4
8th-] 3
9th-] 2
10th-] 1
I actually like the venting. At least we clear the air now rather than later. I remember last year that we changed the scoring after the first event of the Safari Series. I'm not exactly how it was to start last year, but I did like the point system that we ended the leagues with. Everyone did bitch about the 1st Safari Series Event & Scoring. That is a fact. We then decided to make wholesale changes & I was all for them. The last 3 events were fine & scoring worked out quite well. 1 first & 3 guys tied for 2nd. It doesn't get much more competitive than that. I was one who liked the Safari Series scoring system that we finished with last year.
That is why when mentioned that we'd drop our worst score, I assumed it was from the points system. I just assumed we drop the worst score from total score, it would be the point system. I really don't recall specific scoring discussed in detail.
Here is my concern about using total score.
1. You miss the 2 shortest courses, you are at disadvantge.
2. You have +5 to +10 round, you better make at least 8 events to drop that score.
3. At a tournament, you either play well, play average, or play bad. At the next tournament you play, you start with a clean slate. I don't want to play an event if I know I was +8 at the first event & bthat I have to shoot -8 just to play even.
4. I want to use these events as tournament style practice. With this scoring system, it takes away strategy that would be used at regular tournaments. Example: I'm up 1 stroke on the field going into the last few holes. I'm going to play it safe rather than chance a 4 and fall back to the field. With overall scoring, i'm forced to try to make as many 2's as possible if i'm behind on the overall leader. That might cost me a first place finish that day.
5. I predicted the pro/adv division would have someone win by 30+ strokes. Is that competitive? How are you rewarded by winning 1 event if you know you 25 strokes back of 1st place anyway? At least you know you are going to make up some ground with a point system.
OK Back to Work
i just want to play as well. for me, last year's safari really changed my game anyway. it made me improve. i sucked so bad at the first one, i switched from forehand to backhand. whatever scoring method is used, i'll still play as much as possible & have fun doing it.
I dont' want to change the the integrity of our club. I think club meetings are important & opinions of our members are too. I am fine keeping it the same or changing the system as long as everyone can live with it. I could have lived with it the other way but I also wanted to voice my opinion on how I think the system would have worked. Who knows, maybe there is a better system than both ways we have discussed. We do have a year to see & any adjustments will be taken care of if needed. Anyone want to get on AOL IM tonight around 8:00PM & discuss this some more? comincioli is my screen name.
50/50 if i'll be there Saturday. If the games are average lenght, I should make it. If not, I won't. If i'm there Jim, i'll heckal you like crazy & beat you with a stick.
We are playing 18 holes, correct?
If 18, which ones?
Or are we playing all 27?
cool, 18 is fine with me. i like that idea for a weekly & overall ties.
Jojo, club fees are $15.00.
I'm interested to see this stump.
Jojo, have you seen Jim throw lately? #7 is impossible for him even if it is a lefty hole:) & you know he can't throw worth crap in cold weather. He's a sissy:).
i told jay last night i was predicting 12. I think there will be more with that much plastic going around. i know an ace pool was not announced but will there be a non organized ace pool?
What a awesome turnout today. 16, Awesome!!! We all had our fair share of problems with the tough wind & cold. Also saw a few hockey pucks out on the ice. 1 of those would be mine & jim lost his ce teebird way out on the pond by #9. Lots of new faces around & a few new club members as well. Nice meeting all of you. I hope to see you again & get to know you better. Welcome new club members, what a great start to 2003.
Welcome Steve!
We are glad you had a great time. This is what Discontinuum is about. I was in your shoes a year and a half ago. I had just started playing & everyone in the club got me addicted to disc golf. Your game will improve quickly. Our events & tournaments are great to learn how to play.
Later
Brett
I agree, keep the safari series the same. Turnout is nice, but we aren't going to get a crowd of 16 every time.
I think that is a good idea about moving the Widdershins. I also like the idea that it would be a week after the Parkside Tournament & we'd be able to play in it and advertise our tournament as well. Turnout for the Widdershins may grow form this.
Shawn,
Are there going to be hole sponsors for the PDGA event @ Parkside.
As for Damon's shot on #6,
Can you say put up the tent, here comes the circus!
Nice Shot Damon!
Are the Safari Results going to be posted on the website?
thanks for the scores mirth
jason hany
shawn comstock
I am bummed that I cannot make it Saturday. I really wanted to play Channahon. I haven't played there yet & have heard good things about the course. Good luck to all of you who make the trip. Car Pool baby!!
Looks like a good event to score some points. Not very many making the trip.
i think jim said he was leaving bevier @ 11. good luck! wish i could go.
Jojo, Are you going to call to see if the course will be open for the next Safari. On the front page it says Safari #4. It should be #5. So who is leading each division?
Well, this is an odd situation.
Does anyone know if the baskets are going to be in? If the baskets are in, who is going play Vallarta Ast DGC (Token Creek)?
Damon, Jim, Jay, & Shawn will be @ Standing Rocks. Is there anyone willing to run the Safari that day since Jay will not be there? I will not be able to attend because I have a baseball game.
Jim & I discussed last night about changing dates. I not big on that but how about changing to Adler instead of Vallarta Ast DGC (Token Creek)? We know the baskets are in the ground & the travel time will be cut down. Would be 2 rounds from the cement tees.
Any comments, questions, concerns?
I have no problem keeping the Safari the same. I just want to make sure that we have 1 club member attending.
Safari schedule will be the same. Jojo said the poles are in so everything is good to go for Saturady.
May 10th 2003
1:00PM
Vallarta-Ast (Token Creek)
Madison, WI
Cool! Sounds like there will be more than expected.
Myk, Mirth, Jojo, Jon, Bruce, Kyle, & Steve. Good luck guys! It's a great course & my favorite.
How did it go this weekend?
Who is winning the Safari in each division?
Who wants to car pool to Vollrath Park in Sheboygan, WI?
Sheboygan is 113 miles from my house. I'd be willing to drive & would be able to fit 3 comfortably. We could squeeze someone else in but the back seat would be crowded. I have a non smoking vehicle.
I could pick up @ the McDonald's off Grand(132) & make a stop off of I94 by Kenosha. All I ask it that my entry & ace pool be paid for :)
Looks like a 2 hour ride from my house. I'd be willing pick up @ 8:30AM on Grand & 9:00AM in Kenosaha to get there a little eary to check the park out.
Let me know if you are interested.
Damon,
I did a little research & tried to find the information as well. I don't recall an official rules document.
Jay,
Do you think you could put one together?
Here is what I was able to piece together.
Format [-(Delete the handicap scoring) /Schedule/Dates/Locations/Overall Prizes/Results (I think we need to add what tees we will be playing from if a course has Am & Pro tees)
Link to the Safari Page-] http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/
Event Prizes
1 CTP Disc
1 Disc to Upper Pool Winner
1 Disc to Lower Pool Winner
Overall Prizes are posted on the link above.
Optional Ace Pool run by Jon. Where is the ACE Pool @ Jon? (Posted by Jon) I'll organize a side series ace pool if people are interested. If it hits, the hitter gets all, if not rolls over to the next leg. If there is anything left after the series we do a ctp with each person who paid in the ace pool on any of the legs getting one throw and then people who have attended multiple legs get one throw plus one throw for each 4 events they attended for a max of 4 throws. 1 + (12/4) = 4
(Posted by Jim)Any aces during any of the 12 events will receive one disc each (max value $15). If anyone wants to do a side/casual Ace Pool, that's fine.
Event Scoring For Upper & Lower Divisions
1st = 10 points
2nd = 9 points
3rd = 8 points
4th = 7 points
5th = 6 points
6th = 5 points
7th = 4 points
8th = 3 points
9th = 2 points
10th = 1 point
11th = 1 point
12th = 1 point
and so on
(Posted by Jim) Tie Breaker for an event & overall scores. At the end of any round of 18 and there is a tie, the two+ players tied will go back to Hole #1 and play full holes until the tie is broken.
If there is a tie at the end of the entire series, a 9-hole final playoff will be played from Bevier's 19-27 Holes one week after the December Safari date.
BTW-] Damn the Safari Thread is LONG!!!
Sounds good Jay!
Attached is a table I put together for the Safari. I've been out of the loop of the Safari. I'm getting back in it since i'll be able to attend the next 5 events. I wanted to get a good idea where everyone was @ in the standings.
The only problems I saw was Safari #3 with Bruce Brakel & Shawn Comstock tying & Safari #4 with Joshual Hurth & Kyle Scuglik tying. I gave each player max points for that position & put an asterik next to their score. Please check it over & make sure there are no mistakes.
Jon is the only person to attend all 6 events. He is in great position right now. 1 more event then he starts dropping scores.
Damon is dominating the lower pool. Would you like that Skillshot now? :)
I posted above about the info on the Safari. We really need a set of specific information & rules. It would nice to get those so we can reproduce them next year & hand them out at our events so people know how/what the Safari Series is.
I'm up for it as well. Anyone else going to ride with Jay & I? Let me know.
Holy smokes! What they heck is going on?
Anyway,
Dr. Dye,
I have room for another. Only Jay & I are in my car. I plan on picking Jay up @ the McDonald's on Grand/I94 @ 8:30AM. I could pick you up off of I94 in Kenosha. Let me know a good exit & place off of 94 Dr. Dye.
Later
Brett
OK,
So i'm picking up Jay @ the McDonald's on
Grand(132) & I94 Exit around 8:30AM. We we then be heading up to the PDQ just about a mile east on the Wisconsin HWY 50 exit off I94 to pick up Dr. Dye. Approx arrival time will be 9:00AM. Anyone else want a ride? I have room for 1 more.
Here are the Safari Results afeter event #7.
Looks like Joliet Leagues are on Wednesdays. I don't think there should be a problem even if they do have leagues. It is a 24 hole course. Can't wait until Saturday!
I know there has been a debate over the September Safari. Over the first 7 Safari Events, there have been 73 players which averages to 10.4 per event. If you look at that raw #, that seems to be the norm for DISContinuum Events. Of course i'd like to see more people attend our events. Who wouldn't? There are several of the past Safari Events that if they were just scheduled an hour later, I would have been able to make it. I think time & scheduling will have to be taken into consideration when planning for next year. I also think we all put events on a priority scale. I have a chance to go to Springfield & play in a C-Tier in October. That is a decision I will have to make. That is one of the reasons we made it 7 of 12. I would love to accomodate everyone but it is not possible.
Results after 08-09-03
Damon,
You bring up some very valid points. I'm not exactly sure what rules will be used. I posted very early about getting rules for the Safari set.
Just throwing this out there.
What if there is a playoff & 1 of the players who ties for an overall payout prize does not attend the final Safari? I'm also not really big on having a playoff at a later date either.
Are we plaing long #8 or ultra long #8?
Attached are the results after 9 events.
Please update these scores & points.
Also, scores for West Park are not updated yet.
Upper
1ST-] Bruce 57
2ND-] Jon 58
3RD-] Brett 59
4TH-] Adrian 61
Lower
1ST-] Adrian Jr. 65(po)
2ND-] Damon 65(po)
3RD-] Steve 68
4TH-] Becky 75
Play along fee (These players get no points or prizes)
Diana 71
Kelsey 71
Kiralyn 88
I would like to thank all of you who continue to support the Safari Series. It has been a huge fundraiser for the club.
I would like to apologize to everyone for starting late & and providing above par service. Due to lack of organization, DISContinuum was not prepared for today.
I also apologize to those who played in my group today (Adrain, Bruce, & Jon). I was not much fun to be around today.
Due to the lack of quality service, all participants of today's Safari will play for free at the next event.
Jay should have the scores.
Mirth took official notes & vote totals at the meeting. He'll get them online when he gets a chance.
We took so many votes on the $2.00 Option, they all ran together. Let me know if my info is accurate.
For the Safari, there will be NO $2.00 Option. If you show up and want to play with a group, you have to pay the full $7.00 fee(club member) or $10.00 fee(non club member). If you do not pay the fee, you will be asked to be a spectator if you want to hang around & socialize with a group. You will not be allowed to throw with the particiapting groups. You are either in or out.
moved to another section.
Regardless of what the right way to score is, I think it's a little late to change the scoring format for the safari series. As of now, everyone is expecting the scoring system that we had already set up. Let's talk about future events and keep the current scoring system in place for the time being. All systems have advantages & disadvantages anyway so any system we choose is gonna have a flaw of some sort.
i agree with jimbo on the total scoring.
How are you calculating the scores? Do you get points for winning? or showing up? Or just total under par?
Brett you have game, don't underestimate your potential. I have been playing seriously for the last 3 years and the practice is starting to pay off, I feel that I'm a solid Advanced player with potential to go Pro when I get my rating over 970. If I could only putt....consistantly...
I'm really looking forward to playing some of the IL courses. I love playing blind, just tell me where to throw and how far and I will try to get it there.
OK, from reading the OPS stuff, we plan on playing for total score? I guess I will be making the 7 short courses instead of playing the harder ones......I'm trying to be sarcastic...can you tell?
I'm going with the new amatuer rating system by the PDGA. You need a 925 to be a advanced player. My rating is 932....I'd say I just made it. If I play with real Pros, I can stay with them for a while but then my amatuer player will show up and ruin it for me. When we run a sanctioned event, you will see many good players. I have a few friends with ratings above 990, thats 6 strokes better then me on an 18 hole course, that makes me sick..
The fairest way is to drop a few of the lowest scores, but how you score it is the biggest question to being fair. IMO we should get points for how many people that you beat. The Wisconsin tour does this well http://www.widiscsports.com/standings02.html
I know that if we go by score that it will be a wash out for players that don't make the short courses. Some of the longer courses, there will be many people not shotting under par. If we do some posting of the series at the courses involved we should have a good showing of skilled players. Brett is right last year was close in scoring, would not have been if we keeped scores.
Hey, the scoring is fine if your a good player, not If your average.... The whole issue that You (Jim) brought up is that the event was for FUN... Well, we will see how fun it is for most people when they are down by 15 strokes after the first event. It will happen, will they play another event?....doudt it. This is the issue that I have tried to change since day 1. After trying to change the issue that everyone OK'ed for the 2nd or 3rd time, I gave up. Hell, they must know better.
By the way, what was wrong with the way it was scored last year? and Jim what is your reason for having total score? I am pointing you out because everytime I brought this up you stated that it was for "FUN". Sorry, but disc golf at a higher caliber is not always Fun, it is competitive. This is all my opinion, please rip on it as you need too.
Kind of knew this would happen, and as the willershins champ, I would love If you could change this 1 so I can give the new champ the trophy. I will be at Standing Rocks also as this is the best event ever.
July 5 Mad City Open (AM) Madison Mike Newhouse 608-245-3931 I imagine that it will be played at Heistand since Mike's store is next door and he is the main sponsor. Great payouts with anything that Mike runs, he's awesome.
July 26 Rumbletown (Am/Adv) Milwaukee Joe Weinshel 262-644-2234
Aug 16/17 WI State Overalls Madison Brad Wendt 608-246-2174 I heard a rumor that overalls might not be at Heistand, should her more later in the year.
june 21/22 Pickle Open Sheboygan Ryan Hornickle 920-208-3633 Saturday must be AM's.
I'm looking for a car pool leaving the Kenosha area... perferably a comfortable vehicle with a cup holder and an ashtray. Jim, is this the same course that we went to for that tournament? If I remember it kicked my arse last time. Anyone know the WCP of this course?
Almost forgot, car needs to be big enough for my 2 baskets.
Long or short tees?
Just kidding about bringing baskets, who acually wants to carry their basket for a missing hole. Don't you think we can just safari a 18th hole.
Damon, damn, checked out your site. You are one of the best drummers I have heard, could not open any of the music from you previous albums. Wanted to hear some sounds from the vibes.
WCP for Channahon is 46 if anyone else was interested. Still waiting for an answer to what pads we are playing. I think upper pool should play longs pads if conditions are good. From what I read it is only an extra 591 feet.
I did not relize that the pads were limestone until now. Short pads are fine also. Jay, you should play in my group. I need to talk to you about how you can improve my bag tag #.
Jim, are you meeting up with people at Bevier? I am willing to drive if anyone wants to tag along. Myk, who is going with you?
Is that this Saturday?
Anyone got directions?
How long of a drive?
Carpools for this one?
I guess I missed that part of the meeting.. Owell....I thought that we were going to change it with Streamwood? Jim, guess your glad you told the lombard guys that next one was Streamwood.
next 2 days are rain.....should have changed it at the meeting. They will not open it, it will get trashed.
There is to much going on that day to justify having the Safari. How many of you are accually going to make it? If you want people to go to our events, you need to go to theirs as well. I don't like the idea of taking people away from other events so that they can get their points for Safari...not good. Just postpone it a week, the course should be in then.
The safari should have been changed not because of 1 tournament, but 2 events going on in the area. Can't wait to see who goes to safari this weekend. Very dissapointed... But do what you have to do to win.... Best course in WI and noone but a few can make it...smooth.
Good luck with your event..
QuoteDR DYE (05-09-2003 08:37 a.m.):
I am so excited to play my favorite course. Every morning, I wake up, I think to myself, is is Saturday? Nope, damn, one more day.
I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Best course, worst date.... I guess I don't need safari to play it...just wanted to play with you guys.
Random draw doubles Saturday, 11am at Token
Maybe next year, use the ratings to figure divisions. With attendance low, are we going to have enough money to pay out the winners? Next year I suggest just having the course listed for the month and trying to find a good weekend to play the course about 2-3 months in advance. That way we can attract more people on the days that major events are happening.
I have a skill shot as well. Why are we bringing baskets again?
Well, my basket may not be bigger than yours, but it is cooler. :P
Nope, I didn't know that at all, but I do now. And I'll definately bring my basket with me.
Shawn, I can give you a ride, but I and may be able to fit to skillshots and an uncollapsobal(sp duz it's way to early inthe moring). Give me a jingle.
:):):):):):):):):):):):):)
I'd like a ride, and would be happy to compensate you for it. The only thing is that I'll have to leave shortly after we finish up because of band practice.
I'm playing golf first, so my priorities are in the right places. I just have a thin timeline between all the events that are unfolding that day.
I aparently will not be needing a ride as it's 4 am and and i'm falling over drunk. i'm going to bed now.
If we get to vote, i'd like to play the short tees. token is long enough as it is.
And you know what makes me sick??? Is that you only consider yourself a solid advanced player and not a pro yet. I understand that there are some really really good players out there and your prolly right to place yourself where you do, but I've never played with them and when I play with you I feel like a little girl.
Brett]]I'll wear a skirt no prob, wouldn't be the first time ;-) But it wont be the treat you think it is. With the weather being so cold and all I'll have to bundle up, so no leg or thigh for you! Now if you want to wait till spring or summer, your in for a treat!
Shawn]]Ugh, I hate you and your disc golf god friends :-)
Mirth]]Don't even think about it damn it, I want a chance :-)
Im very torn on this issue and will write more when I've digested it a bit, but I know that I dislike giving points based on the amount of people you beat.
If you play amazingly well, but your playing on a far away course that few people show up to your being penalized because fewer people didn't make the treak out whereas you could beat the rest of the pack at another course by a single stroke, but if there were 20 people there you just got a significant point boost.
If any sort of point system was used I think it would have to be x points for first y for second and so on.
My vote is as follows.
Point system set for every event regardless of how many people show up.
1st-]x points
2nd-]y points
3rd-] z points
and so on.
In regards to using Safarri to determine handicaps we could still do that, just write down the scores and use them later.
Either way I'm just out to have fun and hopefully improve my game so the system used for scring isn't that huge of a deal to me though it would be nice to win a new basket :-)
I'll be there, playing am thank you very much :-) and I might be bringing Fernando with me too.
Thats why your the man, always thinking, always promoting....
It not the size of the basket that counts... its how it catches....errr its does it have a chain upgrade.. err..well... oh, oh nevermind!
Well Saturday should be easy pickings for anyone going after my tag, that horrible horrible sickness I had before is creaping back upon, Have a doctors apointment already, trying to nip it in the bud before it starts rolling. Already though when I cough it feels, no exageration, like shards of glass are being forced through my lungs...
Oh and i hurt my right shoulder on Sunday night throwing some discs in the field.
Ohh Karma gods, what did I do this time?
I think lower pool, if the conditions are okay, should play from the long tees too, thats the best part of my game.... Provided I am on and not shanking my drives :-)
Stay outa my group then Bruce! It's bad enough I'm losing tag #1! Last thing I need is it leaving the state! :-) J/K come and get some.......just break your arms first :-)
Shawn... Well better handing it to you then Bruce(sorry :-)) Even though it would still be out of state atleast it's only one over :-) And you read what Jim posted...$20 dollars gets someone in my group :-)
Or I could just give ya the tag if you could teach me how to acctually play this damn game so I have a chance(everyone breaks their arms) of winning it back :-)
[EDIT] God I use way to man smiley faces in my posts :-)
Results will be posted tommorrow.
Anyone have any detailed info on Madison Meadows in Lombard? I was thiking of making course specific score cards for the safari events and its our next stop.
Damon hopefully they will be online by tomorrow evening. Work has gotten extremely hectic!! Sorry about the delay.
Hiya everyone!
OKay Safari time.
Mirth is going to update the last Safari event information and then I will update the points standings online.
Other than that I will be at this next event :-) So I lok forward to everything going smoothly *crap I just jinxed myself*
See everyone there and JIm I will call you this evening.
FYI we still need to resolve two tie-breaks.
From Week 3 Bruce Brakel and Shawn Comstock tied for 1st place.
From Week 4 Josh Hurth and Kyle Scuglik tied for 4th place.
Can the involved parties please contact me as to when your available so we can try to get these resolved.
Thanks!
Sorry to all that I wasn't there. My life has become signficantly more complex since I had offered to run Safari. And even more so in the last month or so. I am going to try to make it to the rest of the events, but I would like to thank everyone else who has come forward in my absence to run the events.
Let me know who won the divisions and ctp today and I will get the prize discs to those people Also if someone can send me the results I will get them online and the standings tallied.
Thanks again!
Brett, I'm game for the car pool :-)
Jon is correct. There is no clear rule on bumbing a player. I do believe the rule states that whoever wins the lower division for the year has to play upper in the next years series. As far as during the current season, no such rule exists.
The case with Shawn C was special in that there was no competition. He was beating the lower field by a huge margin and on some occasions would have taken 1st in the upper anyways.
As far as Damon goes, while he has been winning it hasn't been utter and total domination.
All that being said though I will take the information Brett put up and compile a more concrete set of rules and get it posted.
I agree with ya Damon...
Basically my opinion is that the bump rule will be treated not as a rule but a special situation, when found needed by the club officers.
QuoteJon Brakel (07-08-2003 01:38 p.m.):
It would seem like implementing a new rule, but I have a vested interest in seeing Damon stay lower also. So, I'll suggest that Jay as the Safari Director make the final say.
Thanks for the math Bruce, for now(rest of this season) there is going to be no written in stone bump rule, except that whoever wins the lower division at the end of the year needs to play in the upper division in the next years safari.
As for next season there may be a bump rule, but as I said, not for now. Any bumping may be done as a non-biased judgement call when their is a clear case of bagging.
So to put the Damon thing back into light, Damon have fun! Your not bagging so stay in Lower unless you felt the carnal urge to bump yourself up have fun in lower (just lose all the rest to me so you don't have to play upper next year :D )
I'm game, after the drive(even though Im riding with Brett) I don't see the point in turning right back around. So assuming Brett's up for it, I'm up for it! And if hes not I'll hide in the back of your Van, wheeling is close enough :-)
QuoteDamon (07-11-2003 09:21 a.m.):
(sigh...) yes, Jim, this was brought up in message #295 of this thread...how could you have missed it?
Ya need a translation into Lithuanian or what??;p
For Jim's benefit #295 in Russian(sorry no Lithuanian here)
CE-Valkyrie (07-06-2003 09:04 p.m.): ????? ?
???????? ?????????? ? ????? Vollrath ? Sheboygan, WI?
...
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??????? ????? @ 8:30AM ?? ??????????? & 9:00AM ?
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? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ? ???? ??????????? Tim ??????? ??
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????? ?? ???????? ??? (773-988- 5998). ??????? ? ?????? ???
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?? ??????? ??????? ???? Manitowoc ????? safari ????????. ??
? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? 30 Sheboygan. ?????
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Joliet ???? ???.)
Hmm well since the board doesn't take russian characters, how bout in Italian then?
E-Valkyrie (07-06-2003 09:04 p.m.): Chi desidera allo stagno
dell'automobile al parco di Vollrath in Sheboygan, WI?
...
Assomigli ad un giro di 2 ore dalla mia casa. Sarei disposto
prendo @ 8:30AM su grande & 9:00AM in Kenosaha per convincere là un
piccolo eary a controllare il parco fuori.
Lascilo sapere se siete interessati.
Sto andando prima sulla notte con il mio nipote Tim in modo da
colpiremo il corso nella fase iniziale Brett seduto, mi diamo una
chiamata quando ottenete là (773-988- 5998). Tenga presente che
Vollrath ha luogo solitamente * imballato * sulle fine settimane di
estate.
Stiamo guardando colpire il corso di Manitowoc dopo il safari rotondo.
È circa un altro nord minuto dell'azionamento 30 di Sheboygan. Corso
molto freddo. (sto andando giocare il tourney in su là sul ventesimo
anziché Joliet questo anno.)
Longs from the longs, shorts where there isn't a red.
Bingo Steve!
We are playing all 24 holes and in the case of a hole having a long tee(red) we will play that. On all other holes only having a short tee(white) we will play those.
I personally am in favor of a playoff at Bevier or any other course for that matter in the case of a series tie.
I dislike that because in theory that could come down to 2 events. Assuming player A only makes the first 7 events and player B only makes the last two events.
Now what if player A beat player B at the two events they played together, or only at one of them, but event player B lost at he/she threw unconcievably bad does that mean player A is the better player and should win the whole thing based on those two events? Well maybe, but not nessarily and the whole point was based on your 7 best events, not 2.
I think some sort of playoff is the best option. I'm against going back through the scores.
:D I will consider this all for a day or two and make my judgement LOL.
Bruce pm your ideas for next year as I would like to hear them. Jim email me, like to talk to you about a few things as well.
Assumes Safari Sultan voice
[4]We will be playing the long tees at Park Side[/4]
there happy Damon and Steve? :D
I may or may not be at Safari not sure yet :( Brett or Jon can we carpool if I do go? I have my son and daughter this weekend, so it depends if the grandparents feel like doing some babysitting.
Jim currently has the prizes.
That was a blast on Saturday can't wait to be able to throw AND feel my fingers! What a concept! :-)
Yeah but most importantly I'll have to miss May 10th b/c I won't be back from my honeymoon until around 5pm that day!
Last names I know:
JOsh Hurth
Kyle Scuglik
Pat Wood
Steve Cohn
show nuff
Kyle and I aren't going to make it this saturday, we'll be in Madison for the Ice Bowl. Wish us luck. Hopefully we can do a little better than we did at the Howler!!! :-)
I agree with Damon, we are all happy to see Shawn playing Upper :-)
Wow, wind sucks. Worst round I've played in a long long time. I played as if I have never thrown a disc before. At least it wasn't cold out.
So far it looks like maybe 7 of us going, right?
Kyle won our CTP so he gets the point.
I really don't care either way because it wouldn't matter if a 12 year old, blind, one armed girl with a lisp was playing, SHE'D be beating me in these Safaris! BUT, I do remember someone saying after you win 3 you get bumped up but I don't remember if Jim just told me that or if I saw it written somewhere.
We'd almost have to keep it the way it is because with the limited pool of lower players we have, Damon would win one more and get bumped. And really it would just be me, Steve and Jay left. And I'm not sure if Jay has taken first at any of them but I know I won @ Fairfield and Steve won at Madison so with 7 events left, Steve wins two, gets bumped. I win two, get bumped. Jay wins the last 3 and gets bumped we now have no lower pool :-)
I understand why it is the best 7 out of 12. I understand you have to make choices some times whether they be personal or disc golf. I'm just trying to see how we can still have the most amount of people at the Safari.
Where's the Post??? Aww man, I missed it!
Hmm, I'm sitting here looking at the events schedule Jim was handing out at the Safari on saturday, and it has the Widdershins listed as June 7th not the 1st.
I like the 7th better also. I'd like to play both, but I'd play UWP over bevier with no second thoughts.
BTW, had a lot of fun at the Safari even if I did throw my worst round since I started playing. (I have to play 8 events after that round).
Wonderful weather all day Saturday. (sunny, about 80 and only light wind).
Jon, Myk, Jojo, Mirth, Steve and myself showed up to play the Safari.
Jojo took upper(-7), and I handed Steve(-1) the lower win on a silver platter.
If I remember correctly Jon shot a -6 for second in upper, not sure what everyone else shot. After shooting a -6 in my warm up round I blew up and shot a spectacular +4 for the safari round. (why do I only suck when I pay?)
After the Safari round everyone but Jon went to Elver and played a really fun round. Steve and Jojo tied for 1st with +3s.
Jim,
When this was discussed at the meeting I didn't see the pitfalls in such a scoring system. I wish I had heard Shawn's objections then. That said, I'd live with this system as it is for this year and make suggestions on how to improve it for next year when the time to plan for next year comes around. Except that in at least one instance the scoring system doesn't make any sense. Joliet is a 24 hole course. If you figure, for argument's sake, that most people are getting threes on that course, then the scores for Joliet would be 18 strokes more. The idea of the safari series as I understand it is to have fun within the competitive frame work of the series. It would be fun if we got a lot of people interested in playing the series. I see why anyone would bother to come out and play the Joliet leg unless the fun for them is just to play. If the fun is the competitive nature of the sport within the context of the safari rules, then there is no reason to play that course. If very few people show up to play that course, then it wouldn't be very fun. The Joliet course is just an exagerated example of the problem with this scoring system.
I would like to see us fix this problem before the series starts rather than run the series with the current stroke scoring system.
I would propose that we have an emergency meeting of the ops and officers (not necessarily in person) and work out a points systems that would reward players for playing and for playing well. My proposal would be to give each player a point plus a point for each person he beats in his division for each round.
I know this is unfair to you, Jim, to bring up our misgivings of the safari series so close to the first event. But if we change it before Saturday, at least we can hand out rules changes before anyone pays their entry fee.
Stroke based scoring only makes sense when all events count. I vote for a points system since we are only going to count the best 7 events. I also am in favor of a system in which each person gets a different amount of points for any one event (besides ties). But I think any points system will be better than a total stroke system.
The Safari Series will be better off with the change to points, even though it was done late. Now, lets bring it on! I'm set to play and Bruce will be there Saturday so maybe some of you will believe that he is not just my made up virtual puppet!!
If my brother and I make a CTP donation for this week's safari, can we play in the same group? I know it's a bribe, but its upfront. Nothing sneaky or underhanded. : )
Bring the stump, I'll offer something reasonable for it. Also bring your merch. I'll buy something for the CTP. I wouldn't take the Muskegan bridge...I hear it's under about 175 feet of water.
I'll organize a side series ace pool if people are interested. If it hits, the hitter gets all, if not rolls over to the next leg. If there is anything left after the series we do a ctp with each person who paid in the ace pool on any of the legs getting one throw and then people who have attended multiple legs get one throw plus one throw for each 4 events they attended for a max of 4 throws. 1 + (12/4) = 4
I am also voting to keep the safari schedule the same. We will have conflicts with an event that spans the entire year. If you need one of us to run that leg for you Jim, we can.
I will have my basket as well.
Bruce,
When are you getting in and where are you staying?
The last time I played it, I couldn't find all of the long tees. Do we have a map?
I would plan on playing dirt tees unless they have done course improvements since the last time I played. I think limestone my have been what the tees were made of when the course was put in the ground.
I'll play whichever tees people want, but I'd prefer the long tees. I wonder what configuration the WCP is for. When I have played Gary's PDGA events we had extra holes.
I'm in town. I brought a Safari themed trophy for the best overall score.
Bruce using Jon's computer
Jon left it all on the course today and went to bed early so I calculated player ratings using the PDGA template.
I'll let Jon post the official ratings when he cuts and pastes the worksheet into something postable.
My 60 was a played at 955 relative to the rated players and how they shot in that weather. In the summer on a dry, still day a 60 might be crappy but today it was damn fine.
You can calculate your approximate rating off mine by adding or subtracting 9 rating points per stroke. So a 61 would be a 946, a 64 would be a 919 and a 67 would be a 892. This method gets you within a point or two of the actual spreadsheet numbers.
Rob Schoenhoft won in upper with a 57, I took second with a 60 and Shawn Fallon got third with a 61.
Sean Comstock just ended his glorious career in lower by winning his third lower event with a 60. This also rockets him to first place in upper. Welcome to the big league Sean! I'm not sure who else plays lower but I'm sure they are all happy for you!
Like my disc golf mentor, Mark Ellis, I really enjoy playing in extreme weather. Today was awesome! I've had icicles in my mustache before but I've never had my beard entirely crust over.
I'll see some of you at league tomorrow and the rest at the next Safari.
Bruce Brakel using Jon's computer
Bruce and I went to Bevier today and he put on waders and got my sweet Dr Dyed(R) disc out of the water off hole 9. WOOOHOOOOO!!!
Then Bruce and I went to Madison Meadows and played a round. I shot 2 over and Bruce shot 1 down. Bruce thinks 3 down will win tomorrow. We both enjoyed the course and look forward to playing tomorrow.
I think we should keep the schedule the same. This is the reason for having a schedule. Some people have already made plans based on the posted schedule.
The plan that we talked about at the last meeting was that if Token Creek was still closed, we'd swap with Streamwood. We decided that that decision could wait until the Monday before the event. If we have phone numbers for people, I'll volunteer to call everyone who has attended 2 or more safari dates and let them know if the location changes.
I'll be there.
At this point I'm 50/50 for making it to this week's safari (see my post under leagues). But I REALLY want to, so I'll be there if I possibly can be.
I'm planning on being there. What's the bathroom situation at that course?
Bruce and I have played that course, but Bruce probably doesn't remember. We had fun. I thought it was a nice course and would recommend playing it. We did not play in a tourney so I don't know about the people who run them or how they run them.
I'll go out there with you Bruce, if you go.
And I wasn't taking away from your not liking it. Your opinion is valid. : ) I just thought I'd post that I had a different experience. When Bruce and I played the course the temperature was in the mid 70's. I usually don't like a course as much when its 95 degrees out either.
we both collected the birdies and the stinging weed was the same day but at Rockford.
Quotemirth (05-27-2003 10:52 a.m.):
Steering this thread back on topic....
Results & standings as of Token Creek have been posted.
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/results-safari-total.html
I have gotten the following points at the first 5 safari events: 6, 8, 4, 5, 9
Added up, I get 32 points. I'm not sure where the 27 points came from.
I'll be there.
I think Becky is going to play on Saturday also.
I played it about 10 years ago, but I've heard that it has been redesigned since then. I also only remember a couple of holes from the 2 rounds I played then.
Jay,
I'll post the results here in a few minutes. If you need me to run any of the Safari events, just let me know. I plan on being at all of them, except maybe the August one if I need that day to do prep work for the IO.
Anna Page Results
Lower:
Place Name Score
1st Damon 65
2nd Steve 68 (won CTP playoff)
3rd Josh 68 (lost CTP playoff)
4th Becky 84
Upper:
1st Jon 67
QuoteBruce (07-07-2003 08:17 a.m.):
At some point Damon bumps up out of the lower pool and takes his points with him. Is it after four wins?
There doesn't seem to be a bump up rule. We discussed bumping Shawn C. because he was clearly in the wrong division, but we didn't have to because he bumped himself up. Damon, on the other hand is competitive in the lower division and I don't think there is a significant reason to bump him up.
There is no way that I would start attending a series where I had to attend at least 7 events for overalls, without knowing when they were when I signed up.
It would seem like implementing a new rule, but I have a vested interest in seeing Damon stay lower also. So, I'll suggest that Jay as the Safari Director make the final say.
The Brakels are offering to host a post safari/pre second round cook out for all those interested. I was thinking after we play the safari at Vollrath, we can see how many people are interested and pick up supplies on our way to the other course. Then I'll set up my portable grill at the other course. That is assuming that most people want to play the other course while we're all up there. If we're going with tube steaks, we'll buy. If we want something fancier, we'll pass the hat.
I'll bring my portable grill, if for no other reason than its new and I need excuses to use it! I couldn't think of the name (Manitowac) when I was posting and didn't feel like going to the PDGA page to look it up.
On the Safari Ace Pool. I keep forgetting to look in my folder and see what its up to, but I think its around $40. I'll let everyone know for sure on Saturday.
Russian is such a confusing language. ???
The Safari Ace Pool is at $47 plus whatever gets paid in at Vollrath. I'm about due for another ace, I think! ;)
Also to not play the red cliff shot for the hole where the white tee is not a cliff shot is to miss out on a cool little hole. Otherwise it is like playing #1 at Bev (not that there's anything wrong with #1 at Bev, but we play that every week).
QuoteDamon (07-22-2003 10:43 a.m.):
QuoteBruce (07-22-2003 09:16 a.m.):
There are long tees on 1, 4, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 19, 23 and 24.
There's a long tee for #1? Where?
QuoteJon Brakel (07-22-2003 09:26 a.m.):
Also to not play the red cliff shot for the hole where the white tee is not a cliff shot is to miss out on a cool little hole.
....hey, I thought Bruce was the lawyer (and I thought I wrote convoluted sentences...)
You're talking about #4, right?
Damon, the long tee on hole #1 is behind the short tee. That's why they call it a long tee. :) But seriously, its about 50-75 feet behind the short tee, right next to the bench that has the sitting part about 4 feet off the ground (really high!).
Jim, it has nothing to do with being a righty, #4 at West Park is a left to right shot ("lefty hole") whether you play it from the white or the cool red tee on the cliff. Hey, it must be a cool hole if I'm volunteering to climb the cliff an extra time!
QuoteDamon (07-22-2003 11:57 a.m.):
...that's weird. I always thought that the one by the bench was the *only* tee for #1. Even playing the 'white' tees in a tournament a few yrs ago, that's the tee we shot from.
There might be a bench by the white tee also. This is also the first year that I've been to the Illinois State Championships that there wasn't a part of the course that was reconfigured. Maybe at some point they added the tee at #1. I can't say for sure because I do not remember all of the former configurations for the course.
Quotemirth (07-22-2003 01:40 p.m.):
Topic sway..... If you kids want to talk about the Illinois Championships please start a new thread.
We are talking about the tees that we are going to play at the West Park Safari. How is that off topic? :p
I don't think we're playing all of the tees, just trying to figure out which ones we're playing for the safari. I'd like to play the red tees (those are the long tees).
If its going to be a playoff, it needs to be right then on the day of the last event. People just need to know in advance that if they are in a contention situation, they should show up for the last event, or risk losing the playoff by a no show.
QuoteMyndCraft (09-11-2003 11:47 a.m.):
I may or may not be at Safari not sure yet :( Brett or Jon can we carpool if I do go? I have my son and daughter this weekend, so it depends if the grandparents feel like doing some babysitting.
We should be able to find you a ride if you need one. Call me on my cell phone if you're trying to find a ride. 224-588-7834
Nextel direct connect: 111*65132*2
Who's running Safari if you aren't there? If you can't make it can you arrange to have the person who's going to run it to have prizes, etc.?
Thanks!
I feel violated. :) [post moved to club members' area]
Did someone use my name in vain on another thread while I was in Mouseland? Next year run your Icebowl on a day I'm within 350 miles of the course, and Jon and I will win it. Guaranteed!
Having driven 725 miles on Sunday and 475 miles on Saturday, I think I can do the 325 to Chicago this weekend [275 if the Muskegon-Milwaukee bridge is open] standing on my head. Therefore, there will be no easy wins at Chanahon!
Anybody get the Winter Disc Golf World News? Look for one fat, ugly, smiling me on page 14! Then read the C-tier box scores and see who won Adv Mixed at CCR Doubles! That Diana Brakel really rocks!
If all that is missing is basket 18, we could start everyone on consecutive holes 1-N. When the players who started on hole N get to hole 18, they could set up a basket. With a steady stream of groups going through, it would be safe.
Jim, I wasn't saying that you all were easy pickings. I was just saying that I'm giving it my best shot.
Jon, when and where is up in the air pending the resolution of my rhinovirus. If everyone is healthy we will probably stay at Mom and Dad's house. If anyone other than me is sick and I am healthy, I will come alone and be hoping for the Wheeling futon. If I am still sick and everyone else is healthy, we will probably stay at a motel.
I should be healthy. Coldeeze kicked this rhinovirus in the horn. Diana or Kelsey might still catch this cold. They think they already had it. I don't remember either of them being sick.
If I am coming alone, I will probably drive over Saturday morning. Otherwise, Friday evening.
BRING TAGS! I want to buy a tag and I'm doing everything I can to go home with a smaller number!
Jon, should I bring the Stump?
I think the TD should decide what tees we are playing.
I like it when the upper and lower pool play the same tees so that the lower pool can compare their scores.
If WCP from longs is 46, we should play longs. Unless there is a foot of snow. And especially not if the TD says we are playing shorts.
Safari Series Ace Pool is at $32 plus whatever we take in today.
I'm with Jon: keep it the same. Jon deserves a chance to win in Upper!!! You are going, right Jon?
Could the standings guy and the website guy get together and update the standings? The front page link to standings only has points for #1 and #2.
I'm seeing a doctor Wednesdy about my ankle. Then I'll decide what to do about the Safari. I hurt too much after playing nine to even consider playing a tournament. But if Jon is in, I've got to make him earn it!
I saw the orthopedic doctor today. He says I pulled a hamstring and the achilles tendon. The pictures did not show a break so the sharp pain in the shin might be the "shin splint from hell." I think that is the technical term for it, anyway. Otherwise it is a bone break that is not showing on the x-ray. Whatever: throwing with a run-up is not happening for a few weeks.
I might caddy for Diana up at Northern Waters #1--Lake Ann Baptist Camp this weekend if the weather looks good. She found free childcare for Friday afternoon through Sunday morning, which is about right for any trip to a Northern Waters event.
The important word in that request was "standings." The raw data is current through April. The standings are current through February.
Thank you.
Nice shooting Jo-Jo.
Could whoever is responsible for the task please update Safari standings?
I have not seen Shawn C at a Safari since he and I tied and he got bumped up. You can do current standings without breaking the tie, and we will break the tie the next time we see each other.
I played Jay "Bird" Mathes's private course last week. He invited me out to the Sinnissippee. Anybody know when that is? Anybody from Discontinuum going?
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Someone posted above:
"Suggestions for changes to next year's Safari are definately welcome..."
I like the whole 1 round, 12 courses, best seven, and points format we are using this year. This makes the Safari uniquely different from anything else going on in disc golf. I'm fine with amateur payouts in upper and lower.
I think the series would attract more players if there was some mathmatical relationship between entry fees and prizes. For example, at Fairfield we had 15 players, or about $111 in entry fees, and we paid out two discs and a CTP?
Maybe next year we could go 60/30/10 on each event: 60% of entry fees paid back in prizes at each event at cost, 30% reserved for overalls, and 10% to the club. It really depends on what we want this series to be, a private club thing for a dozen club members or a bigger thing that offers something to the guy who only plays one or two legs.
The series would make a little more sense to the nonmember if Upper and Lower had some definition. The easiest definition would be the PDGA rating limit for playing PDGA Recreational. No one with a rating below 875 should have to compete against Shawn or I.
I like the low entry fees and merch payouts for both divisions because it keeps the whole thing about shooting competitive rounds with friends for a small prize. In other words, it is good shark repellant.
But if we wanted to attract sharks while keeping them well fed and out of the lagoon, we could offer a $20 cash payout division, a pro division above the current upper division, with the same 60/30/10 payout.
I'm just throwing out some ideas here since I'm precluded from throwing out ideas in the ops-only area. If Mirth wants to move this to club-members only thats fine.
At some point Damon bumps up out of the lower pool and takes his points with him. Is it after four wins?
I've done the math. The Safari has already paid for itself unless you are paying retail for those prizes. If you are paying retail for those prizes, look around for a new sponsor! ;)
I was convinced that there was some kind of bump rule and that Shawn C. bumped himself one win before. If there is no bump rule, I'm not in favor of creating one halfway through. Damon is fine in lower. If you have all forgotten that there was a bump rule, that's fine too.
I wasn't implying that Damon was bagging. Someone has to be the best of the worst!
PDGA ratings will be updated July 14 to include pretty much everything submitted by the end of June. I'm looking forward to seeing if I'm an advanced player yet!
Jim must have told me this at Pizza Hut or somewhere and it never made it onto something durable and official because that's what I remember.
On average, Damon is 6.5 strokes out of first in upper at the Safaris he's played. Throw out his hi-lo and he's still 5.66 out of first. No evidence of bagging there. And it's not like Damon is a lock to win lower. Josh and Steve are right there with him.
If it feels like it would be a new rule to everyone but Jim and I, then it wouldn't be right to be adding it in July, but I have a self-interest in Damon staying in lower, so I'll recuse myself from this discussion. I did scour the Safari thread looking for the bump rule and did not find it anywhere.
Damon or somebody asked about the Safari in Joliet:
"Now to really get off the 'club ratings' thread: Jay, is the Safari round in Joliet long or short tees? I think only about half the holes have long tees, isn't that right, Brett/Brakels? I think 4, maybe 8, definitely 9, 10, 12,14, 15 &/or 16, 23, I forget the rest.... "
From the longs the course is still fairly short. I shot it three down from the longs and felt like I shot poorly. There are long tees on 1, 4, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 19, 23 and 24. The long tee on 23 is cool because it turns a nothing-burger 145 foot open straight hole into a tricky 200 foot lefty hyzer.
The Memory Giant weighs in:
[I only say that because my four concussions and fever related brain damage have given me a memory like a well oiled machine, a stump grinder to be specific. It mangles everything that goes in.]
Hole 1 has been Hole 1 in every configuration since the first time I played the course. It has always had long and short tees.
The long tees at West Park are more lefty favorable than the shorts. Hole 4 offers the righty a straight shot under the tree from the shorts. It is harder to hit that route from the longs. Hole 15 loses its righty hyzer route from the longs. Hole 23 is a lefty hole from the longs and a straight shot from the shorts.
The course is not a lefty course from the longs, but there is a little more balance from the longs.
I think it is a more interesting and challenging course from the reds. The reds don't make it a long thrower's course. The reds just add some lefty balance and make a couple of easy deuce holes become easy par holes.
There are obvious things we could do to increase attendance next year, if higher attendance is a goal. Changing dates and locations after the schedule is published is not really one of them.
I could draw up a format that would be more attractive to the average player, yet look a lot like this year's concept. It has never been clear to me that higher attendance is a generally accepted goal for this series. Currently it is designed only for those who want to support Discontinuum financially.
Jon, Brett and Bruce seem to think it should be a playoff on the last day. Mathmatically, unless the Shawns start playing the series again, or Brett drops out, the upper division is going to be won by Jon, Brett or Bruce. [Sorry, Jim, but its just math at this point...] Can we agree that the tie-breaker in upper will be some kind of last-day playoff? And then start fighting about the details? 8-)
As to the 2004 Safari schedule, Damon, I'd be surprised if there was a 2004 Safari Series. The people running it this year don't sound interested in running it next year. If a different group of people step up to run it, I guess it will be what they decide it is going to be.
I think that the Safari Series is a cool concept and have enjoyed playing it. I won't be able to play it again in 2004. But if someone steps up to run it, and they want to make it more attractive to the average player, I have some ideas to share.
QuoteJim (09-02-2003 05:42 p.m.):
Jay is the big Safari Kahuna now.
We've heard the arguments.
Unless we're waiting for Angela Landsbury or Peter Falk.
Give to us your commandment, oh Lawgiver!
If Jim is saying its Jay's call because Jay is the TD, I'm fine with that. I've always said that the guy running the event should be given some leeway to run the event.
Jay: Check your e-mail
How about super ultra long number 8, where you back up the tee all the way to Bevier #8?
I will not be playing the Safari Series this Saturday. I will be in Madison for a hockey game. Maybe the Ice Bowl too.
Who's on first?
Damon - no tickets on weekends.
Jim - You want long tee's? You got them. Think Prairie Open. 5,11,12,13,14 and 16 were moved to the long placements about a week ago. 17 is at the placement on the left (tough shot over, around or under trees). 8 is right of the mound on the edge of the rough and 18 is still short. They couldn't get the lock open. Good luck.
I am going to try to make it.
All club members, at least those that go to meetings and vote, have a say in how cub events are run. Things are working like they should. Thanks for verifying that.
hey hey what do ya know DR DYE is online!!!!
It is good to be sitting here in front of my own pc and typing this message, from my OWN apartment. Instead of having to go upstairs, just to be informed of what the hell is going on.
Anyway, it sucks that this topic has to be my first post. But here is my opinion.
I too think that there are pros and cons to both ways of doing it. To be honest I am kinda torn about the whole thing. I got a pen and paper and tried to do the math, but after doing that, I am still unsure. I think that Jim is right in saying that it puts people at a disadvantge by changing the rules now. Because up until a few days ago, I would of never know this was an issue. But I still think maybe we should rethink it.
Now, I dont remember discussing "points" verse "score" method of determining the winner. But I am prone to forget things(hehe). And I dont remember having a problem with the way things were scored last safari series. Other than the fact that I didnt win, but that was not the things were scored that caused me to lose. I just am up against tough competition. I think no matter how we score it, I know where I will stand for the most part. Like Jim said, about himself.
Anyway, I am not certain about what I think, but I think that if we did it based on points rather than score, I would stand a better chance. I lean in that direction, but there are good arguments on both sides. And it is hard to choose. So that is the way I lean. I think if we are going to change it we have to do it NOW!!!
So there are my thoughts. Good to be registered and online posting. If anyone has discs that need to be DR DYED just let me know.
Count me in. Guess I will have to pay my dues the same day so I am charged for only members fee. How much are club dues again???
Hole 7 huh Jim? A hard one huh, maybe for us rightys.
Yeah I think that the points system will work just fine. And I am glad all is setteled. See you on Sat. 1pm.
DAMN ITS COLD OUT THERE!!!!!!!
Still think we will get 12? I guess we will weed out all the whimps, with weather like this.
I intended on calling on Sunday the 4th. I figured if they are putting the pins in, they will be doing it the first weekend of the month. Plus, Mirth will be in that neighborhood that weekend, before we get up there. He said he was planning on playing a round there, so that would be our definate conformation.
I just got off the phone with Larry Ast. THE PINS ARE IN!!!!!!!!!
No need to reschedule!!!!
I agree with not rescheduling, it has been made for a reason. It is unfortunate that some will not be able to attend, but there are many more months, and course's left to play this year.
I for one will be there!!! I have already made arrangements to get off work early enough to play. I think the only reason we should reschedule, is if there is a major downpour with huge lightning blots coming from the sky.
I am so excited to play my favorite course. Every morning, I wake up, I think to myself, is is Saturday? Nope, damn, one more day.
I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!
oops
Brett is there still room for one more in your truck?
Looks like I am still looking for a ride.
Sorry asking about it the last min.
Cool thanks Brett!!!
What time should I expect you??? My girlfriend has to work at 9:00am, so she can drop me off before then. At the PDQ just about a mile in on the HWY 50 exit. Its on the north side of the road. Otherwise, you can pick me up at my home, but that is a little more out of the way. I will email you my phone # right now, so if you want to pick me up at home or make other arrangments you can call. I tried looking for your #, but couldnt find it anywhere. Thanks.
First off, it's good to be here. You've got a great group here and I've had a ball (and more than a little luck - ask Brett, Jay and Jeff about my bank shot on #6 Sunday...) playing with y'all so far.
I agree w/ Mirth that the Safari schedule should be left alone for consistency and one-shot tourneys like Widdershins should be moved where there's a conflict w/ a 'bigger' event.
There's some confusion between some events on the WI site vs PDGA though. I'd guess that WI is more accurate, but can anyone clarify:
Rumbletown Ams - WI says July 26, WI says Aug 16. It was in July last yr, but I think it was Aug in 2001. WI also says Aug 16 is WI Overalls...
Pickle Open - WI says June 21, PDGA May 3. It's always been May as far as I remember (I've always gone to World's Biggest in Joliet that wknd but would love to play Sheboygan this year - I'm up there a lot in the summer anyhow - and certainly would plan on it if it's in June)
Mad City ams - I'm assuming that's one day - anyone know if it's only one course, and if so, which one?
Hope to make it this Sunday but I've got tickets for a concert at 3 pm in the Loop so haven't decided yet.
thanks,
Damon
QuoteJim (01-14-2003 09:23 p.m.):
Here's the skinny:
May 3-4: Pickle Open, Sheboygan, PDGA B-Tier
May 3-4: Standing Rocks Open, AM weekend,
Stevens Point
May 3-4: Michiana Open, South Bend PDGA A-Tier
May 10-11: Safari Series #5 Token Creek, Madison
May 10-11: Standing Rocks, PRO weekend,
Stevens Point
May 11th: MOTHERS DAY! UG!
May 11: Homie's Spring Fling, Indiana, PDGA B-Tier
May 11: Spring Best Shot League wk 8, Bevier
May 17-18: Fox Valley Open, Appleton,
PDGA B-Tier
May 24-25: Open except for Spring Best Shot
League wk 10 (end)
May 31-June 1: Parkside's Prairie Open PDGA event
June 1: Widdershins Open
June 7-8: Peoria Open, PDGA Supertour
June 7-8: Baraboo Open, PDGA B or C-Tier
June 7-8: Bevier's Annual Fishing Derby (I think) - disc golf course is closed for the day
June 14: Junior League start
June 14: Safari Series #6 in Rockford
Soooooo......
I propose to move the May Safari (#5 - at Token Creek in Madison) to Saturday, April 26th
- and (this is gonna the hard one in regards to WPD) -
move the Widdershins Open to Saturday, May 24th.
QuoteJim (02-04-2003 09:41 a.m.):
I'll be leaving from Bevier at 11:00am. Yes, Shawn, same course I think. My small car can't hold much, but can fit three comfortably w/o baskets.
Hey Jim, did you hear anything from Gary? Looks like I caused a panic about the (possibly) missing basket, sorry....}]
QuoteShawn (02-05-2003 01:05 a.m.):
Just kidding about bringing baskets, who acually wants to carry their basket for a missing hole. Don't you think we can just safari a 18th hole.
Damon, damn, checked out your site. You are one of the best drummers I have heard, could not open any of the music from you previous albums. Wanted to hear some sounds from the vibes.
thanks. I can confidently say that I'm a much better musician than a disc golfer ;).
I checked a couple of sound samples and they seem OK to me. Send me a private email (damonshort@compuserve.com) where you're having a problem and I'll look into it
QuoteShawn (02-05-2003 02:39 p.m.):
WCP for Channahon is 46 if anyone else was interested. Still waiting for an answer to what pads we are playing. I think upper pool should play longs pads if conditions are good. From what I read it is only an extra 591 feet.
...and a lot of that is on #9 (500 something vs. 320 something for am...)
...limestone tees, incidentally. Not sure all the pro tees are even that.
QuoteJim (02-05-2003 06:39 p.m.):
I think we should all play from the same tees. Longs are fine.
can we vote when we get there? I don't wanna play long tees :'(
...but I will ;)
I forgot what the tiebreaker is for a Safari event, searched around but couldn't find it.
Since #1 at Channahon is a real wind tunnel (should especially be this Saturday), I suppose that could be a reasonable CTP; since (if?) there's time I think a playoff is better, but hasn't this already been resolved?
And I don't want to be perceived as a rules nazi, but there's a potential problem here re: bagtag challenges. We've already established that ties go to the better tag, and since there are likely to be challenges across cards and across *divisions*, any tiebreaker in a Safari or other organized event should be irrelevant as far as tag challenges are concerned. (for example, tied scores on Sat. across divisions wouldn't be played off anyhow)
I just see some potential controversy on this down the road and figured we should clear it up beforehand.
Not all the holes at Channahon have long tees, and I'm not sure where all of them are myself (if there's snow on the ground, good luck...). The way the course is laid out, the longer tees don't always favor bigger arms, and while I'd still rather play shorter, I'll do whatever the majority wants to vote for.
QuoteJon Brakel (03-09-2003 12:24 a.m.):
Sean Comstock just ended his glorious career in lower by winning his third lower event with a 60. This also rockets him to first place in upper. Welcome to the big league Sean! I'm not sure who else plays lower but I'm sure they are all happy for you!
... but Shawn was already playing upper yesterday. I think Josh had the best score of the lower pool.
and yes, we're delighted ;)
QuoteMyndCraft (03-14-2003 03:58 p.m.):
Anyone have any detailed info on Madison Meadows in Lombard? I was thiking of making course specific score cards for the safari events and its our next stop.
I'm going out there Saturday; I'll try to jot down the 'yardage' ('footage'?)
there's info online in a couple of places but I don't think it has the changed holes updated.
QuoteDamon (03-14-2003 05:29 p.m.):
QuoteMyndCraft (03-14-2003 03:58 p.m.):
Anyone have any detailed info on Madison Meadows in Lombard? I was thiking of making course specific score cards for the safari events and its our next stop.
I'm going out there Saturday; I'll try to jot down the 'yardage' ('footage'?)
Here's the info I gathered today along with a biased review of the course. The distances are approximate, even the posted ones on the course aren't always accurate.
Put up flyers at Madison Meadows and Lombard Commons.
and oh yeah; I wouldn't even think of playing the long tees for Safari. They're not all well-marked and none of them have cement, so it'd be even sloppier than it already is.
Was out in Lombard today and can report that it's drying up really well; if there's not much rain before then it should be in really good shape.
There's a Saturday doubles league that starts there again the beginning of April, I think at 10 am. It's completely random-draw so the teams can sometimes get pretty stacked; most but not everyone is 'playing for fun', if you get my drift...
I'll be out of town the next two weekends - flying to NY on Sat for a couple of gigs, than a family thing the weekend after. So I won't be at leagues on Sunday for awhile - see y'all in Lombard on the 12th.
QuoteDamon (03-26-2003 03:39 p.m.):
There's a Saturday doubles league that starts there again the beginning of April, I think at 10 am
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Nope, they've switched it already to Wednesday nights. But I plan on being out there around 10 am on Sat anyhow if anyone wants to shoot early. I'm going to get some lunch before the Safari round though.
Course is in pretty good shape considering the snow earlier this week. I was out there today, managed to play two consecutive rounds below par for the first time ever out there... Winter golf was good for something.... ;)
QuoteJon Brakel (04-11-2003 06:54 p.m.):
Then Bruce and I went to Madison Meadows and played a round. I shot 2 over and Bruce shot 1 down. Bruce thinks 3 down will win tomorrow. We both enjoyed the course and look forward to playing tomorrow.
Depends on the wind. The bigger arms should be able to shoot 6-8 down if it's not too windy. Think it's to be c. 14 mph tomorrow. Even *I* shot 1 down twice yesterday but it was dead calm.
Well, the first round was even (I actually parred every single hole) but I choked on a very makeable putt and counted the 2nd one since no one was looking....;)
Are the results from this month going up on the website anytime soon?
it also sounded like there was a fair amount of interest in that am tourney at Tendick on that day; I'd vote for rescheduling if it can get put up on the website quickly. Seems like turnout anywhere might not be too good...
QuoteDamon (05-02-2003 11:44 a.m.):
it also sounded like there was a fair amount of interest in that am tourney at Tendick on that day; I'd vote for rescheduling if it can get put up on the website quickly. Seems like turnout anywhere might not be too good...
OK, I can see where rescheduling it might not be a great idea either; after all, there are 12 events scheduled, and one can choose to play or not play on any given event and still get 7 in during the year, so if there's a conflict, tough darts or whatever.
It's a shame that there's this much of a conflict on this particular month though, since Token sounds like the best course of the lot (I've never played it). I'd have pushed at the meeting to get it switched w/ Streamwood regardless of whether Token is in (seemed simpler to do this a month ago), but I never made it to the meeting, so tough darts on me...
Re: the monthly meeting, that should be more flexible. As Brett is the Grand Poobah and won't be there (not to mention the Grand Poobah Emeritus and however many board members...), postponing the meeting doesn't seem like a big deal.
QuoteMyndCraft (05-19-2003 10:52 a.m.):
Other than that I will be at this next event :-) So I lok forward to everything going smoothly *crap I just jinxed myself*
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How flat is the course in Rockford? Jay, I've got a pair of crutches from when I broke my ankle a few years ago; I can bring them (hoping I won't need them myself....)
QuoteBruce (05-21-2003 09:05 a.m.):
I played Jay "Bird" Mathes's private course last week. He invited me out to the Sinnissippee. Anybody know when that is? Anybody from Discontinuum going?
I'd like to, but since that would make my 5th consecutive out-of-town weekend and it's also my wedding anniversary, it's unlikely.
Although, come to think of it, Parkside June 1 and Rockford Safari June 14th are only day trips, so maybe. Won't know til at least mid-June, though... Peoria the wknd of the 7th may well do me in ;p
I only played that course in Sterling (about 2 hrs W of Chicago) about 4 yrs ago and hadn't been playing that long, but I remember it was a nice one. Some minor hills and creek(s), trees/brush but no woods. Most of the holes have alternate pin placements and as I recall multiple tees for most as well. I've been wanting to get back out there but it hasn't worked out.
I'd probably play ams on Saturday though; Bruce, I imagine you'd want to play on Sunday.
QuoteJim (05-21-2003 09:43 a.m.):
I went to the Sinnissippi Open 2 years ago.
Boring course. Not well organized. Lots of jerks.
...well, then. There you go. ;)
QuoteBruce_Brakel (05-27-2003 08:32 a.m.):
Jaybird personally asked me if I was coming out for it.
Here are some details from the TD:
Hi Bruce,The Tournament is June 28th and 29th,All ams,advanced included will play Sat.All ams,$22. All Adv,$32. Pros on Sun.Open,$62.Master,Gr.master,Women,$52.Registration and Check
in,7:30-9:00.Players meeting 9:00.2 rounds of 24 holes.Round one at 9:30.Send Name,P.D.G.A # to Rod Fritz.1202 13th Ave,Sterling IL,61081.Must be current PDGA member to play Adv and pro.Thanks.T.D Rod Fritz.
If I do play I think I'd be coming in from the Quad Cities (west), spending a couple of days visiting my mom and playing the courses out there (Geneseo, Milan, maybe the new Davenport course although I hear that one's brutal). If you guys are interested in that let's talk sometime. QC to Sterling is about an hour.
QuoteJon Brakel (05-27-2003 09:13 a.m.):
we both collected the birdies and the stinging weed was the same day but at Rockford.
Nah, it was a DG course - stinking weed.... ;)
Quotemirth (05-27-2003 10:52 a.m.):
Steering this thread back on topic....
Results & standings as of Token Creek have been posted.
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/results-safari-total.html
sorry about the thread drift, maybe start a new one for Sinnissippi?
Standings are still complete only through March.
QuoteDamon (05-27-2003 11:44 a.m.):
Quotemirth (05-27-2003 10:52 a.m.):
Steering this thread back on topic....
Results & standings as of Token Creek have been posted.
http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/results-safari-total.html
sorry about the thread drift, maybe start a new one for Sinnissippi?
Standings are still complete only through March.
Actually, they include May but not April.
Who's going to Rockford this Saturday?
I'm hoping to get there between 10-11. Has anyone else who's going played the course?
Jay,
Problems reaching you on your cell. Call me before 9 am
The overall rules for the series (tiebreaks, weekly prizes, etc.) are buried around here someplace. It's like a Word document or something. Can someone point me to it?
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (07-06-2003 09:04 p.m.):
Who wants to car pool to Vollrath Park in Sheboygan, WI?
...
Looks like a 2 hour ride from my house. I'd be willing pick up @ 8:30AM on Grand & 9:00AM in Kenosaha to get there a little eary to check the park out.
Let me know if you are interested.
I'm going up the night before w/ my nephew Tim so we'll be hitting the course early on Sat. Brett, give me a call when you get there (773-988- 5998 ). Keep in mind that Vollrath is usually *packed* on summer weekends.
We're looking at hitting the Manitowoc course after the Safari round. It's about another 30 minute drive north of Sheboygan. Very cool course. (I'm going to play the tourney up there on the 20th instead of Joliet this year.)
QuoteMyndCraft (07-07-2003 09:12 a.m.):
Jon is correct. There is no clear rule on bumbing a player. I do believe the rule states that whoever wins the lower division for the year has to play upper in the next years series. As far as during the current season, no such rule exists.
The case with Shawn C was special in that there was no competition. He was beating the lower field by a huge margin and on some occasions would have taken 1st in the upper anyways.
As far as Damon goes, while he has been winning it hasn't been utter and total domination.
I completely agree. My almost-totally-crappy results in sanctioned tournaments this year are a pretty convincing argument that I'm not sandbagging anyone. None of us tore up Rockford, for example; I was just a tad less 'unlucky' than the others.
Believe me, if I wind up winning this thing - and there's a *long* way to go - I'll be delighted to play upper from then on.
Even with a lead, there's an incentive to show up every month to finish ahead of those who are trailing you. For example, Steve finished 1st in Madison when I wasn't there, so he can ultimately drop one of his low finishes elsewhere after exceeding 7 rounds (he might well have finished 1st anyhow, but you get my point I hope).
Implementing a hard and fast bump rule would be tricky. Suppose you hit the limit on the last tournament? Would you tank a few strokes to make sure you got 'enough' points but not 10? ;)
QuoteJon Brakel (07-10-2003 10:44 p.m.):
The Brakels are offering to host a post safari/pre second round cook out for all those interested. I was thinking after we play the safari at Vollrath, we can see how many people are interested and pick up supplies on our way to the other course. Then I'll set up my portable grill at the other course.
I'm in, and can pop for some brats. (it *is* Sheboygan, after all..)
There's a picnic area at the park in Manitowoc (actually between the front 9 and back 9) that might even have grills. Availability is another question... ;)
QuoteJim (07-11-2003 08:54 a.m.):
I take it the "other course" is Manitowoc?
(sigh...) yes, Jim, this was brought up in message #295 of this thread...how could you have missed it?
Ya need a translation into Lithuanian or what??
;p
QuoteJon Brakel (07-11-2003 05:22 p.m.):
The Safari Ace Pool is at $47 plus whatever gets paid in at Vollrath. I'm about due for another ace, I think! ;)
Chances are excellent that somebody will finally collect this at that course tomorrow...just hope it's not Jon ;)
QuoteBruce (07-22-2003 09:16 a.m.):
There are long tees on 1, 4, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 19, 23 and 24.
There's a long tee for #1? Where?
QuoteJon Brakel (07-22-2003 09:26 a.m.):
Also to not play the red cliff shot for the hole where the white tee is not a cliff shot is to miss out on a cool little hole.
....hey, I thought Bruce was the lawyer (and I thought I wrote convoluted sentences...)
You're talking about #4, right?
QuoteJon Brakel (07-22-2003 11:34 a.m.):
Damon, the long tee on hole #1 is behind the short tee. That's why they call it a long tee. :) But seriously, its about 50-75 feet behind the short tee, right next to the bench that has the sitting part about 4 feet off the ground (really high!).
...that's weird. I always thought that the one by the bench was the *only* tee for #1. Even playing the 'white' tees in a tournament a few yrs ago, that's the tee we shot from.
QuoteBruce (07-22-2003 08:02 p.m.):
Hole 1 has been Hole 1 in every configuration since the first time I played the course. It has always had long and short tees.
I guess I'll figure it out the next time I go there, but I've never seen a 2nd tee on #1, always thought the 'high bench' was for both; never saw anyone tee off from anywhere else... ???
not that I'll lose any sleep over it... ;)
Jay:
You got scorecards for Joliet? Remember it's 24 holes...
(the 27 for IL Champs included extra holes...)
and everyone's playing the longs, correct?
I was one who suggested switching the May safari from Madison to Streamwood, back when it looked like Token Creek might not open in time. I also had a vested interest in that I knew I couldn't make it anyhow and really wanted to play that course, but I don't recall that there was a suggestion to move the date or time. (if I made one, I was wrong.) It turned out that TC was open and fine so the whole issue was moot. Still want to get over there sometime this year though.
There are always going to be conflicts with *something*, dg-related, personal or whatever. I think the lightest turnout was the 5 we had in Rockford on a gorgeous day with no other tournaments going on (I don't think) so figure that one.
1pm has struck me as a reasonable start time for all the reasons Jon mentioned. Unless it should happen that there's an event scheduled for the same course we're playing Safari on the same day, I feel strongly that we should just leave things alone, take your chances, make your choices, etc.
We haven't had an argument, I mean, discussion about Safari for a couple of weeks so I figured I'd start one. (work is slow again today....)
There are 4 rounds left, and with the 'best 7 scores' rule (which I don't disagree with) there are still lots of possibilities for the final standings. I've been wondering about the tie-breaking situations should any occur; the only thing I can find is an old post from Jim (also dug out by Brett a few weeks ago):
QuoteJim (01-09-2003 09:27 a.m.):
At the end of any round of 18 and there is a tie, the two+ players tied will go back to Hole #1 and play full holes until the tie is broken.
If there is a tie at the end of the entire series, a 9-hole final playoff will be played from Bevier's 19-27 Holes one week after the December Safari date.
...that would be Saturday, December 20th. Is that really the agreed-upon rule? If so I'd say it's a rather yucky solution, but if it's 'official', so be it. (although tied individual rounds have actually been decided by CTP, so maybe things are still bendable.) It could all be moot, but you never know, and I think that an eventual tie somewhere is fairly likely.
But if not, or in case it doesn't come up before discussions for next year's Safari (and before I forget, could Madison *not* be scheduled for May next year??), there are several other solutions I can think of:
"If there are any ties after 'best 7' scores, ties will be broken on:
Best 8 scores
Best 9 scores
etc. up to 12 scores
(...problem with this is that it 'violates the concept' of only having to show up 7 times to be in the running – but an extra playoff round a week later (right before Christmas, no less) violates that as well)
Total strokes for all 'common' rounds (i.e. courses that everyone involved in the tie played during the series)
Lowest single-round score for all 'common' rounds
Throw out single best/single worst finish of 'best 7'; if still tied, most # 10s, most 9s, etc.
Throw Jim into the pond at Bevier (or slide him across the ice).
That's enough, I guess. Discuss amongst yourselves... I suppose I should get back to work.
I used to play a lot of competitive chess, and when I started playing disc golf it was pretty amusing to discover that I was already a Master, and now I'm gonna be a Grandmaster...
I beat a few 'Experts' and drew a couple of 'Masters' but pretty much gave it up because there were too many weird people. Weirder than musicians; even weirder than most disc golfers...
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (08-29-2003 03:57 p.m.):
Damon,
You bring up some very valid points. I'm not exactly sure what rules will be used. I posted very early about getting rules for the Safari set.
anyone else have any ideas? I'm probably not going to be able to make the next meeting to discuss any of this, but I think this should get resolved sooner rather than later...
The problem I have with a playoff is that it adds an additional obligation to show up at a terrible time of year when one of the original concepts of the Safari was that your score is based on 7 rounds out of 12 'set-in-stone' dates. There seems to be enough ways to break ties from the rounds actually played during the year without adding an additional round at a course we've already played, even if it is the home course.
QuoteBruce_Brakel (09-02-2003 09:36 a.m.):
First, I must agree that Jim's rules were perfect, unassailable, and inspired. They just don't work for me! :D
Why not do some kind of playoff right then and there, whereever then and there is for the December event? [Checking .... Lipold Park.] I could possibly finish tied with Brett, Jon or Shawn, I think, under various scenarios of differing degrees of plausibility. I'd rather not make the drive back a week later.
Bruce's proposal: A three hole playoff round beginning at Hole 1, Lippold Park, 30 minutes after last card is submitted, for all tied spots receiving prizes. If any ties remain unbroken after three holes, proceed to sudden death commencing on Hole 4 until tie is broken.
That'd be fine, except if one of the players involved in the tie doesn't happen to be at Crystal Lake that day. ;)
The 'total strokes from courses that everyone played' tie-breaker strikes me as the fairest; it rewards consistency at any rate.
QuoteJon Brakel (09-02-2003 11:31 a.m.):
If its going to be a playoff, it needs to be right then on the day of the last event. People just need to know in advance that if they are in a contention situation, they should show up for the last event, or risk losing the playoff by a no show.
but that puts undue importance on the last round, imo. If for whatever reason somebody would be in a tie and can't make it out to Crystal Lake in the middle of Dec it doesn't seem fair to penalize him after making the minimum 7 rounds. I'm just suggesting ways to break ties based on actual performance through the year.
Bruce, the ideas you put forth in that post from June or whatever sounded pretty good...
QuoteSteve (09-03-2003 02:00 p.m.):
The scores at 24-hole Anna Page Park in Rockford shouldn't be compared to the scores at 18-hole Parkside in Kenosha for obvious reasons (for those of you that missed them, the reason is one park has 6 more holes than the other...).
I think you mean Joliet... Rockford only *seemed* like it was a 24-hole course... ;)
although if you're counting total strokes for common courses it wouldn't matter, since 'everybody' has played the same courses and, ergo (koff koff) the same # of holes. Um, that's why they're called 'common rounds'.
Speaking of Kenosha (I wasn't, but you did), when are they moving the baskets to a 'normal' position?
QuoteSteve (09-03-2003 02:13 p.m.):
QuoteDamon (09-03-2003 02:12 p.m.):
Speaking of Kenosha (I wasn't, but you did), when are they moving the baskets to a 'normal' position?
Ask and ye shall receive! Looks like everything except hole 18 was moved back to a more 'normal' setting. Except 11 & 16, which some masochist moved into the long positions. :)
#11, way down and left? #16, way down and right?
Hee hee hee.....
Last I heard Jay said we'd all be playing longs, but he's not much for official announcements or website updates these days.... ;)
what's the parking situation there on weekends these days?
QuoteBruce (09-03-2003 06:04 p.m.):
Jay: Check your e-mail
If this is similar to Bruce's post #290 in this thread, I think it's a great set of ideas for next year.
I think the Safari is a very cool concept, but the way it's set up now, there's not a lot of incentive to show up by this point if you're not 'in the hunt', and conversely it's rather anti-competitive to be able to pick up 7-10 pts just for showing up (like I've done ;) )
The stuff Bruce suggests in that earlier post solves a lot of these problems, at least theoretically.
QuoteBruce (09-04-2003 07:57 a.m.):
How about super ultra long number 8, where you back up the tee all the way to Bevier #8?
Hmm...that'd be south of the basket at Parkside, whereas the existing tees are north. There are some trees to the south of the basket that would cause a problem if the tee was in Waukegan.
...so if I park in the lot by Parkside #1 this Saturday, how likely is it that I'll get ticketed?
The scores are still missing from the page for Joliet, incidentally.
Quotepat (09-11-2003 11:45 a.m.):
I am going to try to make it.
I hope to be there between 10 & 11 if the weather's not bad, so look me up
QuoteJim (09-11-2003 12:02 p.m.):
damon, you'd better practice; no resting on your laurels! just think, when I'm a grandmaster, you'll be a legend! ha! :)
I've never rested on anyone named Laurel. Although I wanted to once...
But seriously folks...
(never mind)
Quotemirth (09-13-2003 10:20 p.m.):
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (09-13-2003 10:18 p.m.):
Also, scores for West Park are not updated yet.
Yeah, thats cuz nobody's given them to jay or I yet.
Jay was there, he doesn't have the scores?
Damon,
Read your (some-what biased) review of the course. ;) It has made me go from being suspect of the course to looking forward to playing it! I have never had the pleasure of playing down that way, sounds like a fun (but challenging) course. Now I have something to get an idea of the course rather than walking into it blind. Thanks for doing this, see you on the 12th!
Steve
Kyle and I are planning on attending, too.
JOsh will be just back from his honeymoon (Congratulations again, JOsh!) and while he did say he wants to go, his attendance will mostly be determined by the "ball and chain". ;)
Yeah, the weather turned out spectacular for the Safari round at Token Creek. That truly is a wonderful course, I'm really looking forward to playing it again. Then playing a crazy up-down rolling terrain course like Elver really made the trip worth while. Despite the fact that not everyone had a great score, I think we all had a good time. I know I did!
QuoteDamon (05-19-2003 12:02 p.m.):
How flat is the course in Rockford?
Does anyone have any information on the course in Rockford? All the links I have seen for it are broken (including PDGA link). I was hoping to get some information on the course before the event.
Thanks!
QuoteMyndCraft (05-19-2003 06:58 p.m.):
From Week 4 Josh Hurth and Kyle Scuglik tied for 4th place.
Jay, I had sent you a message about this. Wasn't sure if you had gotten it or not, but I saw that the standings had not been updated. Just curious as to whether or not you got the message.
Right now I am still planning on going. Forecast says sunny and 80. Sounds like a nice day to play! Josh and I discussed car pooling, so we may go together.
QuoteMyndCraft (07-22-2003 10:45 a.m.):
Longs from the longs, shorts where there isn't a red.
'Splain this whole thing again, slowly, and use small words so all of us (mostly me) understands, please. The way I am understanding it is this:
We are playing all 24 holes for the Safari, and the holes that have long positions will be played from the longs. Holes that do not have long/alt tees (red) will be played normally (white). Yes?
Looking forward to this!
My thoughts are:
If there is even a slight chance for a tie by year-end, the TD for the Safari will be well aware of it and will make sure the other participants know it, too, so they will be able to make an informed decision. I personally wasn't really planning on playing in Crystal Lake in Dec., but if I needed to for a win, I will.
I like three of Damon's ideas:
1) Total strokes for all 'common' rounds.
2) Lowest single-round score for all 'common' rounds.
3) Throw out single best/single worst finish of 'best 7'; if still tied, most # 10s, most 9s, etc.
The caveat to the first two would be the scores should be based on play at equal-holed courses. The scores at 24-hole Anna Page Park in Rockford shouldn't be compared to the scores at 18-hole Parkside in Kenosha for obvious reasons (for those of you that missed them, the reason is one park has 6 more holes than the other...). I say this because should it come down to Jay and I in a tie somewhere other than 1st (at which point I will repeatedly strike him with a big pointy stick until he goes away) it doesn't seem fair to compare my score at a 24 hole course (which I played badly) to his score at an 18 hole course. Well, it seems unfair to me, he'll probably giggle like a school girl as he adds those extra 18 strokes to my score... :) Anyway, certainly a lot of stuff to think about!
And while we are on the topic, what tees are we playing at Parkside on Saturday the 13th? Lower plays short, Upper plays long, or a mix for both?
Something like 10 baskets were recently moved (like, three days ago) to alternate positions, so the course is more challenging now (especially holes 11 & 16).
[drift] I was hoping to play the longs this weekend to try them out, but I might have to join Brett and the gang at Bevier Saturday. Sounds like fun! [/drift]
I'm sorry if this was already decided and this is a double post, I read back a little bit but didn't see anything that was decided about this.
Stupid Back Button. If someone would be so kind as to remove the double post, I'd appreciate it.
QuoteDamon (09-03-2003 02:12 p.m.):
Speaking of Kenosha (I wasn't, but you did), when are they moving the baskets to a 'normal' position?
Ask and ye shall receive! Looks like everything except hole 18 was moved back to a more 'normal' setting. Except 11 & 16, which some masochist moved into the long positions. :)
QuoteExcept 11 & 16, which some masochist moved into the long positions. :)
11 is something like a 300' dog-leg left tunnel shot, and 16 is something like a 300' dog-leg right tunnel shot.
I hope Shawn knows I'm kidding and doesn't blast me for being a noodle-arm. :)
They really aren't bad, and are actually quite fun. I just like to whine about it because they used to be easy-duece-holes and now are "please just let me make par" holes. :D
Quote
I think you mean Joliet... Rockford only *seemed* like it was a 24-hole course... ;)
Hey, as long as someone knew what I was talking about. Rockford was only 18? Good grief that was a long day.
Thanks Jay!
*note to self* Don't forget to pack your 400'+ discs for September 13th...
Which reminds me, I need to do a search on Ebay for 400'+ arms...
Right now parking is a mess because school just started. This weekend will probably be busy, there is an alumni art show on the 7th (I understand our very own Kyle will have some stuff in it). Not sure if anything is going on for the weekend of the 13th, but there is plenty of parking across the street and then a short walk back to hole 1, so it shouldn't be bad.
bump
Mirth,
Thanks for updating the Safari. I saw you didn't want to mess around with the overall point totals. On the old message board, there is an attachment on September 13th that has up to date overall scores. It was posted by me. Those points are correct.
Thanks
Brett
Cool. I knew I kept it around for a reason! =)
Yes, there are lots of attachments that come in handy.
Thanks Buddy!!
the last 3 dates at http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/ (http://discontinuum.org/Events/safari2003/)
are incorrect. Should be October 11/Nov 8/ Dec 13
Thanks for pointing that out Damon... Thought that got fixed way back when. Hmm... :blink:
Most recent Safari Results
Anyone planning on playing the Safari @ Streamwood on Saturday? This course has had a few changes recently. It's a long-fun course.
Adrain,
You & Adrian Jr. should come out to this one. Bag tags & a practice tourney, what else can you ask for? Hopefully i'll cya out there.
How far of a drive is it from Waukegan? I am intrested in going, not sure if I can get out of work on time to make it down there. How long of a drive it is pretty much depends on weither or not I will be attending.
It is about 60 miles from Kenosha to Streamwood. To play it safe, i'd estimate it would take you an 1.5 hours from Kenosha.
Jon,
How much is the Ace Pool up to?
Beats the heck out of me...I spent it all on Darvon. :P
Yeah, and you marked that Darvon up quite a bit before selling it to Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper so how about you keep the profit and put the rest in the ace pool?
The ace pool is all we got to attract a few bonus players. Let us all know what it is up to when you get home tonight, and then add a zero before posting!
Saturday's ace pool is $75 plus however many people get in on Saturday.
$750?!?
:D $750.00 :D All right!!!!
hold on here
750 bucks might make it worth my while to go to streamwood
couple of holes are aceable
plz confirm 750 bucks
It's only $75.00. It's a joke. :)
damn
that was next months rent
:P
Streamwood Results
Upper
1st Brett 53/-1
2nd Bruce 54/E (po)
3rd Mike 54/E (po) CTP
4th Jon 60/+6
Lower
1st Damon 63/+9
2nd Kelsey 68/+14
3rd Becky 78/+24 CTP
Attached are the Overall Points with 2 Events to go.
Upper Pool
1st-> Bruce Brakel. Congrats Bruce!! He wrapped up 1st today.
2nd & 3rd is a fight between Brett & Jon. No one esle is in contention to place in the top 3. Jon has the advantage since the November Safari may be the last Brett can attend. The pressure will be on Brett to win that one & hope Jon does not drop another low score at the final safari.
Lower Pool
1st Damon Short. Congrats Damon!! He wrapped up 1st today.
2nd Place will go to Steve Cohn unless Joshua Hurth finishes 1st at the last 2 events & Steve does not show up or does not play well enough to drop his lowest scores. If all of that were to happen, the best Josh can do is tye for 2nd & have a playoff. Congrats Steve on your 2nd Place Finish!!
3rd Place is a dog fight. Joshua Hurth, Jay Nerodizik, Becky Brakel, & Kyle Scuglik are all in contention. Becky has come out of nowhere to put herself in contention.
With 2 events to go a, a Brakel has locked up 1st, & 2 other Brakels have a chance to finish 2nd & 3rd. Nothing like getting our butts kicked by the Brakels. :D
Next Safari Event->
11-08-03
1:00PM
Dretzka Park
Milwaukee, WI
$7.00 Entry Fee
Optonal $1.00 Ace Pool
Ace Pool is @ $83.00
Upper Pool will be playing Long Tees
Lower Pool will be playing Short Tees
[/QUOTE]
QuoteLower Pool
1st Damon Short. Congrats Damon!! He wrapped up 1st today.
Congratulations Damon!
But darn it! I knew I should have gone Saturday! :) I'm not saying I would have beaten you (since I have played exactly twice in the last three weeks) but I probably could have wrapped up second place at least. *sigh*
Unfortunately I have had several computer issues to deal with all weekend (fried one motherboard, another system wigged out on me, had a power supply burn out on me, ugh). As one of the computers that went insane isn't actually mine (it's Mom's) I really had to focus on getting her system done.
Bring on Dretzka! :)
In November. <_<
In the snow? :(
UGH!
QuoteLower Pool
Becky has come out of nowhere to put herself in contention.
:P
Look out...here I come! The first woman to prize in Discontinuum history!
You GO girl!!!!
Anyone going to the Safari this Saturday?
Bruce, Becky and I will be there.
Jo-Jo: We need to connect on the plastic.
QuoteBruce, Becky and I will be there.
I'm playing the night before (and that night actually), so it's not certain, but I hope to go if the weather's clear.
As I mentioned to Brett awhile ago, I'd like to play from the longs for fun since I've already clinched, but I'll pay my normal entry fee so as to not upset anyone....at this point it sounds like a fivesome anyhow B)
LOL. Ménage à cinq.
Damon,
Since you've clinched you can compete in the upper division if you'd like. Might spice up that upper division.
Lower-> Short Tees
Upper-> Long Tees
Kelsey *might* come. She likes taking road trips and she likes playing frisbee golf. She has to check her social calendar.
Too bad we don't play no 'frisbee golf' 'round these parts! :P
QuoteToo bad we don't play no 'frisbee golf' 'round these parts! :P
If it is round and you fling it, is it not a frisbee?
QuoteQuoteToo bad we don't play no 'frisbee golf' 'round these parts! :P
If it is round and you fling it, is it not a frisbee?
..and if it hits you, do you not bleed?
Hee! That was funny. I needed a good laugh.
QuoteToo bad we don't play no 'frisbee golf' 'round these parts! :P
Too bad for you but great for me. If y'all played any frisbee golf 'round them parts, I wouldn't be winning in advanced!
QuoteDamon,
Since you've clinched you can compete in the upper division if you'd like. Might spice up that upper division.
Lower-> Short Tees
Upper-> Long Tees
not looking good for me on Saturday - long trip after two long nights (and before one more) and my shoulder's not good, so you definitely shouldn't wait around for me.
Sorry you can't make it Damon
Jon & Bruce. If it's just 3 or 4 of us, do you want to make a side bet or play skins. I was thinking each of us could donate a new disc & first place would get 2 & 2nd place would get 1. Or we could each pay an extra $4.50 & play .25cents a hole skins. Let me know.
Skins is always fun. Maybe the three of us could play skins and Becky and Kelsey could play for something.
Skins is always cool with me.
We are playing for an Elite Z XL & Champion Beast. The winner of each divion will flip. Winner will get first choice. The ctp is elite x putter. I may donate another ctp disc so upper & lower have a separate one.
Dress warmly. Looks like 32-35 degrees with calm wind forecasted for Saturday.
still planning on playing in DEC
im making arrangements to be in that area that day
:ph34r:
Points after event #11.
Results of Safari #11.
Upper (Long Tees)
1st-> Brett 55/+1 Elite Z XS
2nd-> Bruce 61/+7 Elite X Putter (CTP)
3rd-> Jon 69/+15
Lower (Short Tees)
1st-> Kelsey 72/+18 Champion Beast & Aviar Putter (CTP)
2nd-> Becky 83/+29
Now I see why skins was fine with Brett. I think he won 15 of them. :angry: That would be :mockangry: if there was such an emoticon. Nice playing Brett.
Heh. :mockangry: I like it. If you wanna find the appropriate gif I'd be happy to add it to the library
it would have to be a frown face winking. lets see if I can make one.
:angry: ;)
Well, this was my first lame attempt. I'm going to have to think about how to really capture mock anger in such a tiny picture.
looks like a pirate
errr mattie :D
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QuoteResults of Safari #11.
Upper (Long Tees)
1st-> Brett 55/+1 Elite Z XS
2nd-> Bruce 61/+7 Elite X Putter (CTP)
3rd-> Jon 69/+15
Lower (Short Tees)
1st-> Kelsey 72/+18 Champion Beast & Aviar Putter (CTP)
2nd-> Becky 83/+29
nice job Brett. I really wanted to go, but no way I could've gotten moving early enough on Saturday. As it was I went to Lombard in the afternoon and my shoulder was killing me, so it's just as well... I probably should take a break from throwing for a few weeks. I've got a rehearsal Sun noon so can't make league or the meeting.
If nobody hits an ace next month, is there going to be a throwoff? throwup? whatever?
I believe it will be a multi throw CTP. You get one throw for each event you paid a dollar, 4 throws max. Jon, I'm sure, will chime in with the specifcs... especially if I'm wrong.
Jon will slap me if I'm wrong but the ace pool will be paid out at the last Safari. If you ever got in, you get one throw. You get one extra throw for every four times you got in.
Yes, I was wrong before. Jon said today that you get one CTP throw for every 4 events attended (max 4 throws).
Damon & Bruce.
Any options on color choice for you skillshots. Please give me your preferences in order. Give me 3 colors. Thanks
I'll get these ordered when I get the colors. You will have them @ the December 13th Safai.
Red, blue, or the color you're getting me.
QuoteDamon & Bruce.
Any options on color choice for you skillshots. Please give me your preferences in order. Give me 3 colors. Thanks
I'll get these ordered when I get the colors. You will have them @ the December 13th Safai.
Black, Green, Blue, in that order, but it really doesn't matter.
Both baskets ordered. You can pick them up on December 13th. Nice shooting guys.
Do you have to complete 7 events in order to be considered for prizes? or Can you prize just because you have a higher score without 7 events?[/font] :unsure:
Its just points. 7 events is the most you can accrue points for, ie best of 7, but its not a requirement.
You know, funny you should mention that... I think many people forgot that 7 is the highest number of events you accrue points against, not that the 7 are manditory.
Obviously, its in your best interest to attend as many as possible just so you can drop low finishes....
QuoteIts just points. 7 events is the most you can accrue points for, ie best of 7, but its not a requirement.
Thing is there is really no reason for anyone to play in a Safari unless they can make 7 or more events. My opinion...make each one worth while to make and just give the winner of the most events a cheap piece of paper and a frame stating that they are the safari champion. No ending prize....just good payouts for the day the event was ran.
I don't think the Safari Series is going to happen next year. We won't have to worry about it.
in that case I will make every effort to attend Safari Series Swan Song...Never Played Crystal Lake Course The First will be Last... Will tell the Mrs Im Going Xmas Shopping..
QuoteI don't think the Safari Series is going to happen next year. We won't have to worry about it.
it's been fun while it lasted... if it did happen again it should incorporate monthly payouts as well as an overall prize, but we've been through all this already...
B)
I'd say be on the look out for a reincarnation of the Safari in 2005, but with some changes.
i plan on being there
my brother lives 1/2 mile away
Bruce & Damon,
Your skillshots are on the way. You will get them on December 13th :D . Congrats.
I thought Bob lived down south near you, Mike.
oldest brother john
black sheep of the family
baaa
QuoteI'd say be on the look out for a reincarnation of the Safari in 2005, but with some changes.
cool
Bruce, Your red skillshot arrived.
Damon, Your black skillshot arrived.
You'll get them on the 13th.
QuoteBruce, Your red skillshot arrived.
Damon, Your black skillshot arrived.
You'll get them on the 13th.
It's become unlikely that I'll make it out this Sat, I picked up an early evening gig downtown. Can I get the SkillShot Sunday at Leagues?
No problem. I'll bring it to leagues.
weather update plz :D
how much is in the ace fund <_<
Quoteweather update plz :D
how much is in the ace fund <_<
Cold and dry. High around 27.
Enough to buy my Skill Shot if you get the ace.
QuoteNo problem. I'll bring it to leagues.
Thanks Brett, I’ll pick it up Sunday.
Jim, are you going to be there? I can pick up that Roc we talked about awhile back.
I can’t stay for the meeting because of a family commitment, and in fact won’t be playing Leagues on Sunday, maybe will putt for awhile at Bevier if the weather’s not too nasty.
The xrays on my shoulder were ‘negative’ as far as real damage, but there’s definitely a rotator cuff thing going on, and though my backhand doesn’t hurt it probably aggravates the situation, and since I’ve been tentative with it from ‘fear of pain’ and my forehand -maybe about 30% of what little game I have – is nonexistent at the moment, I’m going to do the therapy exercises hardcore and completely lay off driving (not my car, although shifting into reverse hurts too) for at least a month.
I’ve got a ‘big’ concert on Jan 11th so there’s lots of more relevant distractions along with the holidays, but I’ll miss the game. If there’s not any improvement by then I’ll either get a cortisone shot or find a doctor who’ll give me one. Fortunately most strokes/positions in drumming aren’t a problem.
I try to avoid playing the ‘age card’ (I still feel mentally like I’m 25, but I’ll gladly play GM at Am Worlds next summer if my points hold up) and I’ve had a weird shoulder for as long as I can remember (I think this thing was aggravated more from throwing pop-ups to my son more than any DG stuff), but just some advice to everybody, regardless of how young & frisky you might feel today – stretch those things – arms, shoulders, back, knees, even your arches - don’t take yer body for granted. Seriously – you’ll regret it eventually if you don’t!
Rest that body Damon. Things will work out & you'll be back at it soon. Thanks for all the support & fun rounds. It's great to hear the tests are negative. Hurry back!
hurt non throwing shoulder playing wallyball last night
unless weather gets dangerous ill be there
Good luck to all you SafariHeads!
I'm already at work wishing I was playing..........
see y'all tomorrow!
who wants pdga membership
and club membership money
two checks ?
packing right now
low 30 degrees
ouhgt to be fun
lucky i told my wife we had to leave by 10
shes wrapping presents
Safari #12
Crystal Lake Results.
Upper
1st-> Brett C.->50/-4
2nd-> Bruce B.-> 57/+3
3rd-> Jon B.-> 66/+12
Lower
1st-> Allan S.-> 58/+4
2nd-> Michael W.-> 62/+8
3rd-> Kiralyn B.-> 81/+27
4th-> Becky B.-> 82/+28
Overall Point Standings Are Attached.
Congrats to the winners!!
Upper
Bruce-> 68 Points (Skillshot)
Brett-> 64 Points (10 Discs)
Jon-> 60 Points (5 Discs)
Lower
Damon-> 67 Points (Skillshot)
Steve-> 60 Points (10 Discs)
Becky-> 51 Points (5 Discs)
Brett won the Ace CTP for $88.00 :D .
Bruce, Brett, Jon, Damon, Steve, & Becky all attended at least 7 events.
Jon attended all 12 events. That is awesome!! :)
Thanks to all of those who made this series fun & donated a lot of $ to the club!!
I had fun. I'll see you all at the three-event Illinois Open Series next summer. That should be fun too.
Correction to Lower Scoring
Safari #12
Crystal Lake Results
Upper
1st-> Brett C.->50/-4
2nd-> Bruce B.-> 57/+3
3rd-> Jon B.-> 66/+12
Lower
1st-> Allan S.-> 58/+4
2nd-> Michael W.-> 62/+8
3rd-> Becky B.-> 80/+26
4th-> Kiralyn B.-> 81/+27
Overall Point Standings Are Attached.
Congrats to the winners!!
Upper
Bruce-> 68 Points (Skillshot)
Brett-> 64 Points (10 Discs)
Jon-> 60 Points (5 Discs)
Lower
Damon-> 67 Points (Skillshot)
Steve-> 60 Points (10 Discs)
Becky-> 52 Points (5 Discs)
Brett won the Ace CTP for $88.00 .
Bruce, Brett, Jon, Damon, Steve, & Becky all attended at least 7 events.
Jon attended all 12 events. That is awesome!!
Thanks to all of those who made this series fun & donated a lot of $ to the club!!
QuoteCorrection to Lower Scoring
Safari #12
Crystal Lake Results
Lower
1st-> Allan S.-> 58/+4
2nd-> Michael W.-> 62/+8
3rd-> Becky B.-> 80/+26
4th-> Kiralyn B.-> 81/+27
It is important to note that not all of the MI Brakels can beat me! [/font]:)
QuoteQuoteCorrection to Lower Scoring
Safari #12
Crystal Lake Results
Lower
1st-> Allan S.-> 58/+4
2nd-> Michael W.-> 62/+8
3rd-> Becky B.-> 80/+26
4th-> Kiralyn B.-> 81/+27
It is important to note that not all of the MI Brakels can beat me! [/font]:)
Congrats to Brett and Becky on their late charges to the finish. Wish I could have made it, if nothing else for a shot at the ace pool CTP :(
What was the weather like? Scores sound high (except for Brett) for what I've heard about the course.
Damon
It was 30 ish degrees and occasional breezes (5-10 mph). Overcast sky. Not too bad. I had fun.[/font] :D
It was a pretty nice day. Little cold but the wind wasn't bad at all. I thought I could of shot a -6 but putting did me in. This course doesn't have a lot of holes that penalize you for a bad drive but I managed 1 that caused me to take my only bogey.
We were talking about this so I thought I'd dig it out of the archives and bump it up. Most of the thread is incomprehensible because a message board upgrade/transition caused the old board posts to sort by poster rather than by date.
Enjoy.
Wow, does that bring back a flood of memories.
That was back when...
I could beat Brett every once in a while.
I had a reasonably healthy body and could play as much DG as I wanted.
When I played club events, I was an upper player.
No club related decisions could be made without a bunch of whining on the message board.
Brett called me awesome.
Its amazing how much changes in 3 years! However, we have practically revived the Safari Series with the seven stop IOS.
A few of us were talking about setting up some times to play 18 hole Safari (Iron Man) doubles at Streamwood in the next couple weeks. Let me know who would be interested and what day (Sat. or Sun.) would work best. Hmmmm.....hole 15 to 16....that would RAWK.
Thanks,
Paizzon (Mike Strauss)
Saturdays work best for me, unless they are held in the afternoons on Sunday...Church and all.