Here are the club ratings using the data from the 1st Safari of 2003. I'll update it tomorrow with results from Channahon.
QuoteJon Brakel (03-14-2003 09:36 a.m.):
When I click on it, Word doesn't open up, it opens in IE.
It actually launches Word within IE. Perhaps Bruce has an older version of Office?
Jon - have the ratings been updated anytime recently? Most recent I can find on here is April.
If you want/need someone else to pick up the slack just post the spreadsheet by the safari results sheet.
Um, yeah... how much more off topic can we get? :-P
Is Gary's website illinoisdiscgolf.com or whatever? If so I won't say much outside of I hate always browsing in new windows.
[you in the woods! come out slowly & put your discs where I can see 'em!]
So, what's Gary's website or are you gonna just leave me hanging?
Ohhhhhhhhhhh..... I didn't realise that Gary = West Park Flyers.
Jon, thanks for doing these. Very interesting..... I'd really like to see it after another 2 or 3 events. Time will tell................
Hope you feel better, Jon! Undoubtedly, this was from the Memorial?
A course is a hoarse, of horse of coarse.....
How the heck can I have a better PDGA rating than Damon? Even after DFL twice in two tourneys. Geez.............
Good luck to everyone going to Joliet and Manitowoc! Bring up those ratings!
Are scores posted anywhere?
Congrats Becky and Jon! I hope everyone else had fun! Maybe Brett's rating will drop to 949.
:)
Jay/Mirth, I think you should call Gary Lewis and do his website.
By "do", I meant "create".
COOL!
those ratings will be very useful especially when we start the individual summer league. thanks jon!
I'm off to a good start. I'm happy with 950
It helps that i've only played 1 event & shot well. Makes me not want to go ruin a good thing.
I woke up this morning & thought yestarday was a big nightmare. Too bad it's reality.
Damon,
Alex played Pro Masters. I don't feel bad because he did not play well either.
busted by cyber patrol
illinoisdiscgolf.com is one of the Wallis's from the PFC.
Bruce, when are they going to check ratings for AM Nationals? Just wondering If I have time to up my rating so I can get an Invite. Also, do you have the list of guidelines that Parkside signed for the matching basket program? Just want to see, I will not make a stink out of it until I talk to you about it.
I have had 3 bad tournament this year and don't plan on playing any more for a while. Maybe I'll make the cut next year.
Joe and Brett have better ratings then some really good players that I know. Good rounds guys.. No more intermediate for Joe from what I understand. I almost got bumped to intermediate...
I have Word 97 at work and it opens fine for me everytime i click on it.
Bruce,
The file is a excel spreadsheet pasted into a Word document. So you can't acctually open the file in excel you have to open it in word.
Try downloading the flie by right clicking on it and saving it to you hd first then open it.
If this doesn't work reply back and I will convert to a straight excel file or if Im feeling energetic re-create it a straight word format using tables.
EDIT
Okay so a modification to the above. It looks like Jon created teh excel spreadheet and the inserted it into a Word doc as an object.. blah blah, long story short its a pain so heres the doc as a pdf :-)
so throw em on a zip or floppy and hand em out at safari :-)
Stupid ankle, stupid standing rocks. Thats right my rating sucks :-)
Just curious, will the HPC tourney results be calculated into the ratings as well?
These are rule-of-thumb ratings based on the available PDGA rated generators. Jon is going to get with Nick Kight or Chuck Kennedy to get the actual template for calculating ratings. Nonetheless, these are pretty accurate for played-at ratings.
Bruce using jon's computer
Still using the rule of thumb ratings...updated for Channahon.
Here are the new numbers calculated using the full PDGA method. The biggest difference with using these numbers is that the PDGA method does not allow using ratings under 800 to rate other players. So, Damon's rating is not used. He shot much higher that his rating which had the effect of lowering the rest of the ratings. Not using Damon's rating has then raised all of the ratings a bit. Another rule I found was that any score that is 70 points above or below a player's rating should be thrown out. Since I can't use Damon's rating, I don't have to throw out his score. This is probably more info than most of you want. So, here are the newest ratings.
Here are the ratings thru #3 safari.
It works for my computer at home and my work laptop. Perhaps your IE isn't setup to display .doc files properly. When I click on it, Word doesn't open up, it opens in IE.
QuoteDamon (03-14-2003 03:57 p.m.):
...so is the plan to use the club ratings for spring doubles league? (i.e., rank everyone w/ a club rating then split the list in half for upper/lower?)
What I proposed at the meeting on Sunday and people agreed was using the ratings starting with spring league to decide who plays down. Anyone can play up if they want to. People without ratings will be decided as we presently do.
I could do the future ones as pdfs. I'll look into different ways of posting them. Could you see the pdf, Bruce? The problem with the some of the word files is that I was losing my formatting. I'll keep trying.
QuoteBruce (03-14-2003 02:52 p.m.):
This might be helpful to help you help me if you are inclined to be helpful:
The first two .docs on this thread are Word files with Word tables in them. They open fine.
The second two .docs on this thread do not open for me. Maybe you could repost the table as a Word table in a Word file.
Thanking you in advance...
I'm reading all the threads, I was just thinking about whether I wanted to use them. I wasn't sure yet what I want to use as a leader board. I was going to call you on Saturday.
Yes, those results will be included. I've been very sick with bronchitis and it will have to wait until my head is more clear.
Here are the ratings updated thru the HPCM. I'll update them thru Safari #4 later this week. For ease of viewing I only included the HPCM results and the running average.
so, any statistitians(sp?) out there want to suggest how I tabulate a 3 round, 12 holes per round event? We had a huge number of PDGA rated players for this event, so statistically this event has "better" numbers.
I just doubled the weight of the HPCM. Here are the adjusted figures.
Here are the latest ratings.
May and June's Safaries did not have enough people to be mathematically significant. The weekly singles leagues haven't either. So, April is actually up to date.
Anyone, it seems, can request the ratings spread sheet materials from the PDGA, but I was asked not to post the actual spread sheets.
Don't be too hard on yourself Brett. You had some great shots out there. That course can eat you alive when you get off the fairway. And, of course, when you're not in the groove, a deuce or die course is difficult to recover any ground once you get behind. Consistency is the key, Grasshopper. You will get there soon.
I was pleased to finish and to find 11 deuces in the first round (even though I found 8! bogies). Then to finish the second round with 4 deuces on the last 6 holes was cool as well.
The West Park Flyers are almost exclusively NOT online, so I doubt they will be posted anywhere except pdga.com for ratings.
I finished the day even par -3 from the whites, +3 from the reds. I came in 39th place out of 53. Considering I was playing up a division, I think I did ok. Brett was hot and cold all day. He came in +3 for the day in 44th place. He had some great shots and some other experiences in the shule as well as not very much chain love (they are Mach II there so there isn't too much chain love out there). Bruce shot under par all day and came in 2nd in the old guy advanced division. Becky won the Women's intermediate on Saturday and came in 2nd in women's advanced on Sunday. Scott Martin won again for Open. Fun was had by all of the Brakels.
Gary doesn't have a website. The West Park Flyers are not represented in the cyber.
Jon, I'm not getting anything when I click on that link. When I click on that link a window pops up in Word that says Embed Excel 8.
.doc is the default extension for Word files. I can display Word.doc files without a problem. Can you offer any suggestions as to how I can display the .doc file you posted?
This might be helpful to help you help me if you are inclined to be helpful:
The first two .docs on this thread are Word files with Word tables in them. They open fine.
The second two .docs on this thread do not open for me. Maybe you could repost the table as a Word table in a Word file.
Thanking you in advance...
I can read .pdfs at home. Reading them at work is strange. Sometimes they open, sometimes they lock up, and sometimes they lock up my whole system.
At work I just have this crappy little laptop, which is all I need for what I do, but which often is not enough for what I'm doing.
I can't read Excel files at home. I have no idea whether I can read an Excel file at home if it is sneaking around with a .doc extension pretending to be a Word file.
Jon, since you are reading this thread and not the other, do you want to use my small leaderboard cards or make your own. I'm about to run a batch and if you want to use mine, that's fine. I'll do twice as many. I posted a sample as a Word file on the Illinois Open thread.
I'm doing them color coded in yellow, ivory, white, blue and green. I'm making cards for the ten most popular divisions!
I wish those rounds were in the PDGA database. It might get me an invitation to Am Nationals on rating!
There are 19 total advanced amateurs in the great state of Wisconsin. Shawn is 12th of those 19. That will be really close on getting an invite on ratings.
By contrast, there are 40 adv ams in Michigan and I'm 47th. : ( I don't think I'm making the cut. Next year's strategy: play all the rated winter golf I can since I shoot over my rating in the winter. If I can tweak the rating up, then I'll have to take over running the popstand at the sanctioned tournaments!
jon: sent you a private message w/ some light on this and I'll quit cluttering up the board...
QuoteJon Brakel (02-11-2003 11:18 p.m.):
...So, Damon's rating is not used. He shot much higher that his rating which had the effect of lowering the rest of the ratings. Not using Damon's rating has then raised all of the ratings a bit. Another rule I found was that any score that is 70 points above or below a player's rating should be thrown out. Since I can't use Damon's rating, I don't have to throw out his score.
I'm used to being underrated, but it's been as a musician, not a golfer....
I would be curious to find out how they got that number though.
Hey Jon, can you email me the number-crunching stuff you got from PDGA? (damonshort@compuserve.com)
... and oh yeah, is there a listing of WCP ratings for courses somewhere?
e.g., Shawn knew that Channahon was 46, but...how?
ok, I found - http://www.pdga.com/events.pdf
'zat it?
...hee, hee.... based on the stuff I've found on the PDGA site, I plugged in the absolute worst round of any sanctioned tournament I've ever played in. And it still came out higher than what my rating is listed as.
...so is the plan to use the club ratings for spring doubles league? (i.e., rank everyone w/ a club rating then split the list in half for upper/lower?)
QuoteBruce_Brakel (04-16-2003 02:15 p.m.):
Jon, what was the format for the HPCM? 3 rounds of 12?
If so, the HPCM should count for two events (36 holes instead of 18) when you are calculating averages.
Especially since in effect every round was a different course.
QuoteJim (04-16-2003 02:57 p.m.):
A course is a hoarse, of horse of coarse.....
but it would be coarse to say that the course made Jon hoarse.
Keep going Jim, only 90-some posts for you to go....;)
Just treat it as two rounds of 18, e.g. 94 would be two rounds of 47.
The rating for the HPC wouldn't change, it'd just affect the overall club average.
QuoteBruce_Brakel (04-25-2003 03:42 p.m.):
You might get in with your current rating, Shawn, but it will be close. You ought to play the Peoria qualifier because a lot of Region 6 players will qualify at the Michiana and their slots will bump down if they requalify in Peoria.
...I'm looking for a roommate in Peoria.... ;)
QuoteJon Brakel (07-11-2003 05:17 p.m.):
May and June's Safaries...
Shouldn't that be Safarii ?
The PDGA posted updated ratings on their site this week.
As I figured, in spite of dismal performances this summer everywhere but Parkside (which was only adequate itself), my rating actually went *up*, to a sssssmokin 843 ;) - and the one round that my previous rating was based on was 'excluded', whatever that means. (Does it mean permanently thrown out? Jon? Bruce?)
But now it looks like Jon is a one-round wonder at 915 or something.
...and Brett should hit 1000 any day now....
the 'player rating over time' charts are interesting, if you like those sorts of things.
Anyhow, lies, damn lies, statistics, whatever....
http://www.pdga.com/player_ratings_by_name.php
Dr Dye's not looking too shabby either...
QuoteJim (07-18-2003 08:48 a.m.):
How the heck can I have a better PDGA rating than Damon? Even after DFL twice in two tourneys. Geez.............
Maybe you get bonus points for playing Pro...... ;)
or sympathy points :p
and you didn't play Peoria... of course, I really didn't either, if you'd seen me
QuoteJon Brakel (07-21-2003 04:22 p.m.):
Scott Martin won again for Open. Fun was had by all of the Brakels.
Did Bingman play open or Masters?
Congrats to Becky and Bruce!! Nice going Jon! Brett....well, you did better than I did at Manitowoc, we can leave it at that. So did Pat. So did just about everyone else.
If I hadn't looked at the leaderboard between rounds (I was one shot out of 3rd in adv masters, two out of 2nd after a fairly mediocre round) I really want to think that my typical tournament nerves wouldn't have set in. My 2nd round crash-and-burn exceeded Standing Rocks proportions... :o ]( :'( ]( :'( ]( :'(
Barry Schultz, whoever he is, set a new course record of 55 (over 23 holes) in the first round, followed it up w/ a 56 and wound up 9 shots ahead of A. Wield who was 2nd. Although it seems like an easy course, outside of those two no one really tore it up.
The rain held off til about the last 6 holes.
I was playing w/ some guys there Saturday night and Barry was practicing on his own, passed through & played one hole w/ us. I barely missed a 60-footer but he said 'nice shot' anyhow. It was cool...
QuoteCE-Valkyrie (07-21-2003 09:50 p.m.):
Damon,
Alex played Pro Masters. I don't feel bad because he did not play well either.
Yeah, West Park is a lot like Vollrath in Sheboygan (or Manitowoc, for that matter) in that it seems like ya should be able to always eat it up, but if you're off you can get into real trouble.
Now to really get off the 'club ratings' thread: Jay, is the Safari round in Joliet long or short tees? I think only about half the holes have long tees, isn't that right, Brett/Brakels? I think 4, maybe 8, definitely 9, 10, 12,14, 15 &/or 16, 23, I forget the rest....