I was just wondering what are current IL state cordinator is going to do with the one spot he gets to fill for USDGC?
Quote from: Cannon Boy on July 06, 2006, 09:15:56 PM
I was just wondering what are current IL state cordinator is going to do with the one spot he gets to fill for USDGC?
You should ask him. ;)
Neal,
Here is some information for you.
From USDGC.com
PDGA State Coordinators may select one competitor to represent their state in the 2006 Championship. These spots are guaranteed through 08/01/06. Coordinators may have this deadline extended if relying on a state series or single event that concludes after August 1. The full entry fee must be paid by August 1st even if a competitor has not been named. Players seeking these spots should contact their State Coordinator for more information.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 07, 2006, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: Cannon Boy on July 06, 2006, 09:15:56 PM
I was just wondering what are current IL state cordinator is going to do with the one spot he gets to fill for USDGC?
You should ask him. ;)
Jon Brakel, current IL State Coordinator, what are you doing with the 2006 USDGC IL State Representative spot?
Quote from: CEValkyrie on July 07, 2006, 08:40:18 AM
Neal,
Here is some information for you.
From USDGC.com
PDGA State Coordinators may select one competitor to represent their state in the 2006 Championship. These spots are guaranteed through 08/01/06. Coordinators may have this deadline extended if relying on a state series or single event that concludes after August 1. The full entry fee must be paid by August 1st even if a competitor has not been named. Players seeking these spots should contact their State Coordinator for more information.
Sorry for the double post but. This is disturbing information. This means we have less than 1 month to pay the entry for who ever is going. That is not giving someone alot of time to prepare to go.
Quote from: Mike Clark on July 07, 2006, 08:41:01 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 07, 2006, 06:19:38 AM
Quote from: Cannon Boy on July 06, 2006, 09:15:56 PM
I was just wondering what are current IL state coordinator is going to do with the one spot he gets to fill for USDGC?
You should ask him. ;)
Jon Brakel, current IL State Coordinator, what are you doing with the 2006 USDGC IL State Representative spot?
The person with the best score at The Peoria Open on the Advanced/Pro day who informs me that they are committed to attend the 2006 USDGC will receive the state coordinator exemption. They must then immediately send in their registration. If no one who attends Peoria is committed to going then the exemption will go to Rockford. If no one is committed to going from Rockford or the person who qualifies does not register, then I'll give it away to someone who is committed to going.
All of the people who think you are one of my minions have been e-mailing me for details. ??? Is this available to anyone who gets their butt down [up, over] to Peoria, or only to Illinois residents? I've had at least three Wisconsin guys who play the IOS ask. Maybe some more. It seems like one every day almost since you posted. Maybe I've been telling them the wrong thing. I keep telling them probably Illinois residents but to check with you and i give them your brasscash e-mail.
For anyone who wonders how the whole Brasscash/IOS/Discontinuum/WJGC/Brakel Brothers thing works, it is not like anyone is in charge and the rest are minions. It is more like the Borg collective, but without a queen, except you can sever your link and freelance a little if you want to. We'll reassimilate you in due time. Resistance is futile.
That's why my posts jump back and forth from first person singular to first person plural, if you've ever noticed that. When I go all royal on you, I'm actually channeling the collective hive mind. ;)
We hope to see a lot of you in Peoria. I'll be there for sure.
Last year I protected the spot for an Illinois player. This year, I say bring it on! The best score in Peoria on Saturday that wants to go to the USDGC gets it...even if they are Romulan scum! O0
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 07:56:42 AM
Last year I protected the spot for an Illinois player. This year, I say bring it on! The best score in Peoria on Saturday that wants to go to the USDGC gets it...even if they are Romulan scum! O0
Shouldn't it be reserved for an Illinois disc golfer who lives in Iliinois?
Quote from: Mike Clark on July 12, 2006, 08:31:59 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 07:56:42 AM
Last year I protected the spot for an Illinois player. This year, I say bring it on! The best score in Peoria on Saturday that wants to go to the USDGC gets it...even if they are Romulan scum! O0
Shouldn't it be reserved for an Illinois disc golfer who lives in Iliinois?
Why?
Not to put words in the mouth of one of my minions, but the why not answer is: Last year no one asked about it in advance. Jon publicized it on every club message board in the state for about six weeks and on PDGA.com. Maybe five people showed up to compete for it, four amateurs and a pro woman, unless there was another foursome I'm forgetting about. Brain = Swiss cheese. So why not?
When I went this route three years ago at the Flip City MDGO, it was very controversial. Michigan players showed up to defend it from the Indiana players. Some of them told me in a huff that they only came to the tournament so that an indiana player would not win it. Ten of them got a petition going to stop me that they e-mailed to Innova. Harold Duvall responded saying that he rather liked the concept of holding the competition in some remote part of your state but letting anyone compete for the invitation. It was the most fun i had that summer.
I'll tell those Wisconsin players to bring it. I'll tell Utah players to bring it!
[Jon: I know why. You are not unplugged. The collective approves.] ;D
I would say that the reason for giving it to an Illinois player is so that the rest of us can see how one of our own local players who we compete against regularly stacks up against the best field in the world.
Shouldn't it be reserved for an Illinois disc golfer who lives in Iliinois?
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because it is an illinois exemption? why have state exemption then?
Mike,
I have to agree with you on this one. I am normally not very parochial. However, its the Illinois State Coordinator's exemption. It would seem appropriate for someone from Illinois to use it. Fortunately, the Peoria Open is being held just about smack dab in the middle of Illinois. High gas prices and miles should provide somewhat of a barrier for the Romulons, Klingons, Hoosiers and Cheesheads. However, the great courses and exemption might tempt them into our sector of the galaxy.
Bruce pretty much summed it up. I thought that people would want to try to win the exemption but after pimping the hell out of the chance to win it last year I only had 4 people that wanted to try to win it. Maybe by opening it up to anyone will encourage some of the better Illinois players to come out and try to win it. However, it is a fairly expensive trip in terms of time off from work, lodging, travel, entry fee, etc. so I don't really think there are many players who "WANT" it. I guess I'll find out on Saturday.
Well if no one wants it, I'll take it. But I can't make Peoiria this weekend.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
Bruce pretty much summed it up. I thought that people would want to try to win the exemption but after pimping the hell out of the chance to win it last year I only had 4 people that wanted to try to win it. Maybe by opening it up to anyone will encourage some of the better Illinois players to come out and try to win it. However, it is a fairly expensive trip in terms of time off from work, lodging, travel, entry fee, etc. so I don't really think there are many players who "WANT" it. I guess I'll find out on Saturday.
Did 1 of those 4 people play in the USDGC and were they an Illinois resident? If so then it worked out okay didn't it. Why does it matter how many players from Illinois participate as long as the person who wins goes and represents Illinois at the USDGC? Which to me is what having an exemption for the state is all about. Am I wrong?
No kidding. I would go in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Mike Clark on July 12, 2006, 02:58:01 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
Bruce pretty much summed it up. I thought that people would want to try to win the exemption but after pimping the hell out of the chance to win it last year I only had 4 people that wanted to try to win it. Maybe by opening it up to anyone will encourage some of the better Illinois players to come out and try to win it. However, it is a fairly expensive trip in terms of time off from work, lodging, travel, entry fee, etc. so I don't really think there are many players who "WANT" it. I guess I'll find out on Saturday.
Did 1 of those 4 people play in the USDGC and were they an Illinois resident? If so then it worked out okay didn't it. Why does it matter how many players from Illinois participate as long as the person who wins goes and represents Illinois at the USDGC? Which to me is what having an exemption for the state is all about. Am I wrong?
You aren't wrong, it's just a different opinion. However, the exemption isn't for the state of Illinois it is for the State Coordinator. Some state coordinators use the exemption to go to the USDGC themselves. I thought that last year I should protect the exemption for an Illinois resident because as far as I could tell no one had ever used the state coordinator exemption (for Illinois) since the inception of the USDGC. This year I thought I'd open it up. If I'm the state coordinator in 2007 and the USDGC decides to continue to offer the state coordinator exemption I'll try to think up something really controversial to do with the exemption. Some states the discussion on what the state coordinator should do with the exemption gets really hot and heavy. These conversations we have about it in Illinois just pale in comparison! ;D
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
Bruce pretty much summed it up. I thought that people would want to try to win the exemption but after pimping the hell out of the chance to win it last year I only had 4 people that wanted to try to win it. Maybe by opening it up to anyone will encourage some of the better Illinois players to come out and try to win it. However, it is a fairly expensive trip in terms of time off from work, lodging, travel, entry fee, etc. so I don't really think there are many players who "WANT" it. I guess I'll find out on Saturday.
i think saying you pimped the hell out of that little Edgebrook thing is a bit of an exaggeration. what did you do besides post on a few internet message boards? nobody knew about it. it was planned in very short notice (1 month ahead though compared to this year's last second notice which would have never come without Neal Swanson's post).
Becky Zalleck I heard used to give it away based on an essay contest.
I think Terry Miller just keeps it because no one in his state is more deserving.
Paul Jefferies is taking the traditional residents-only, State championship tournament approach.
My first year I decided to send Kirk Haggadone. Then I waffled and decided to let each PDGA TD and Club president nominate a candidate to be followed by a popular vote from the MDGO mailing list plus any forwards off the list. Of the 20 or so Club Presidents and TDs, six responded right away nominating Kirk Haggadone, totally unprompted by me, so i cancelled the election. That was only a little controversial, since no one but six TDs and Club Presidents were paying attention.
Harold really enjoys it if it kicks up some controversy. He and Jason Poole look for those threads and laugh over them and call the whiners names. I know because I talked to him live and in person, or maybe he e-mailed me [Brain = Moth Eaten Wool Suit] and we talked about it the next year when I started selling Innova? The exact chronology there escapes me.
Bottom line: It is the State Coordinator's to do with, however he sees fit, but Harold deserves a little levity in his life.
Quote from: Dan Michler on July 12, 2006, 06:58:58 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on July 12, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
Bruce pretty much summed it up. I thought that people would want to try to win the exemption but after pimping the hell out of the chance to win it last year I only had 4 people that wanted to try to win it. Maybe by opening it up to anyone will encourage some of the better Illinois players to come out and try to win it. However, it is a fairly expensive trip in terms of time off from work, lodging, travel, entry fee, etc. so I don't really think there are many players who "WANT" it. I guess I'll find out on Saturday.
i think saying you pimped the hell out of that little Edgebrook thing is a bit of an exaggeration. what did you do besides post on a few internet message boards? nobody knew about it. it was planned in very short notice (1 month ahead though compared to this year's last second notice which would have never come without Neal Swanson's post).
My plan since Bruce told me he was going to run the Peoria Open was to have that be the venue to give away the state coordinator's exemption. I have given the matter as much importance this year as my constituents have. When Bruce was the state coordinator in Michigan he received many e-mails, several phone calls and in person conversations about what he was going to do with the exemption. To date this year I have received zero phone calls, zero e-mails and zero in person conversations about it. Anyway, I was going to announce that I was going to give away the exemption at Peoria about a week before I was asked on the message board in order to promote the Peoria Open a little bit but then I wound up in the hospital with a hurt back and the announcement took to the back burner a bit.
Dale Noel gave it to this Pete "kid" that no one knew. He used to brag about playing Ultimate for the french national team or something. He was a rapidly improving advanced amateur but a bit of a pill. He was a lot older than he looked. Pete went to USDGC and got really excited about disc golf. He sold his business, bought a Winnebag and went on tour with a 950 rating and a pregnant wife. He called himself the PDGA's first "tourist pro" but I think Feldberg beat him to that, touring as an advanced amateur with the Winnie Crew for a year a couple of years earlier. Pete now has a 1000 rating, give or take a few.
He was one of the petitioners the year I went with an open competition. Now a good pro but a bit of a pill.
Quote from: bruce_brakel on July 12, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
Becky Zalleck I heard used to give it away based on an essay contest.
this makes me want to be state coordinator just so i can try that! better yet, i'll get political and run under that premise... then keep it for myself >:D
Under the Qualifying Procedures here is what it states:
Section 3. State & National Representatives
PDGA State and National Coordinators may select one competitor to represent their state or country in the 2006 Championship. State & National Representative positions are guaranteed through August 1, 2006.
http://www.usdgc.com/rules_for_qualifying_06.pdf
Sounds to me that it should be a resident of the state for representation.
There are 16 qualifying events that an individual can attend to try to qualify.
What/who decides that an event become a USDGC qualifier?
I'm under the opionion that the IL Spot should go to an IL player. IL is behind the times and this is the one opportunity for someone to represent the state not too mention the closes qualifying event is 5 hours from the Chicagoland area.
If you are under that same opinion & you are from IL here is my statement on the PDGA ballot
"If elected I will nominate an Illinois event as the qualifier for USDGC in 2007 and 2008. The top
finishing Open player at this event will be awarded the USDGC qualification spot. If that player cannot
attend it will be awarded to the next best finisher. I will make sure there is someone from Illinois
represented at the USDGC."
Quote from: SERG on July 13, 2006, 11:38:40 AM
Under the Qualifying Procedures here is what it states:
Section 3. State & National Representatives
PDGA State and National Coordinators may select one competitor to represent their state or country in the 2006 Championship. State & National Representative positions are guaranteed through August 1, 2006.
http://www.usdgc.com/rules_for_qualifying_06.pdf
Sounds to me that it should be a resident of the state for representation.
There are 16 qualifying events that an individual can attend to try to qualify.
What/who decides that an event become a USDGC qualifier?
Paultimore from Baltimore can represent Illinois this year if Illinois players don't step up. Hillary represents New York in the Senate. She never lived in New York until she ran for senate. Peru had a Japanese president for awhile, maybe they still do. Michigan has a Canadian governor. Anybody can represent. The question is whether anybody from Illinois is going to step up and represent this year.
Start your petition. Call Harold at Innova East. He would really enjoy this.
Kris Hutter will be representing Illinois this year at the USDGC using the State Coordinator's exemption. Congratulations to Kris!