Even though I may just be co-TD, I thought I'd get this started.
3rd Annual Widdershins Open is on Saturday, June 7th at HFCdgc at Bevier Park in Waukegan, IL.
Because of all sorts of scheduling conflicts (Prairie Open, Safari, Junior Leagues, Best Shot Leagues, AND the WPD's annual Fishing Derby at Bevier), this year's Widdershins will have a slightly different format.
Yes, some/most holes will be played backwards or safari style, but we will also have some GLOW discing!!! We will start approximately 3pm, have one round of 18 holes, then take about a 1hr. dinner break, possibly rearrange the baskets, then play another 18 GLOW holes.
Feedback from the past few events seems to indicate that ALL divisions (Pro/Advanced/Am/Rec/Junior) would like to play as many holes as possible, so perhaps all divs will play all 36 holes (shorter tees for Rec/Juniors?).
I recommend that entry fees be bumped up by $5-6 and we include a glow disc as players' package.
OK. Gimme some feedback........
Possibly, although with glow sticks on your discs twilight wouldn't pose as much a danger for losing discs.
I'm curious if we'd be able to swing permission from WPD and the other WPD (the po-po, y'all) to be in the park after close....
Sundown/9PM, whichever is earlier... I think.
Bumped up? Comparing Jim's and Brett's posts it looks like the entries dropped by $5-10, depending on division.
Well, I can certainly donate a printer to the club (used Deskjet, only does b&w but what else do you need?) and potentially the use of my laptop for the day of the event.
The printer's for keeps, tho. ;)
Just curious, how can we play two rounds of 19 if there are only 10 (or 11) pins to throw at? We'd have to have two groups throwing at the same hole but different tees... Is that a good idea?
Also, w/o a good bridge from C to the 9th tee, I wonder how smart it would be to try to play that hole or the one under the power lines at night.
This totally blows.
I can call a friend (or have Jojo or Myk do it since its a local call) and see if a suitable bridge could be whipped up in time for Saturday for at least hole C. I dunno what to say about old A.
But you're still talking about two groups throwing at the same pin... You can count different tees until you're blue in the face but the fact remains that a group teeing from 5 & 14 are throwing at the same target.
With only 10 (or 11 if we play C) baskets to play, the best we can do is a field of 50-55... and thats putting groups of 5 on every hole.
I'm sure fun will be had by all, it'll just be a longer day if we get more than 50 & don't have more than 11 baskets to throw at.
May I ask how in the hell are we going to use hole B? That rough is incomprehensible....
Or by B do you really mean old-A?
I have Friday off due to random Jewish holiday & can probably donate some time to course setup/improvements.
Can't offer any tools other than weedwacker, shovel, rakes.
yes, printer is sitting where I put it last November when I gave the wife her bday gift.
The club may want to pick up an ink cart. just to have in case. If I had one I'd gladly donate it, alas I don't.
I will check the cartridge tonite to see if it has anything in it.
Uh, well the printer is a DeskJet 520. I'll get you more specific info as to cartridge model tonight.
The printer is certainly compatible with just about anything down to a 'smart' typewriter.
As far as I am aware, at least as of the day we sunk A & C, we didn't take down any living trees. Just weeds & maybe some saplings in the teebox for C, but certainly nothing larger than the diameter of a dime...
Brett - I will be there Friday morning. Nothing like giving up sleeping in time for disc golf! :D
U know specifically where? If you're talking about the fairway on A where there was a 3"+ diameter tree taken down that was down & missing before we worked that day... And yeah, that was a real dirty job they did too. Left like a 4' tall stump.
Looks nice tomorrow! A little on the cool side, but thats okay.
Bring LOTS of skeeter spray. I got eaten alive today in the woods & under trees in the open parts.
Shawn - I can supply those.
Recent talks with Mike Trigg indicated he was willing to allow us to stay after sundown, but not past 10pm. So it will be more of a twilight round, but I'm sure glow will be necessary for wooded and later holes.
As for the layout, I was thinking of something like this:
Round 1
A. Play new CTP hole using Basket 2.
B. Play Hole 12 (to Basket 3).
C. Tee from near tee 20 to Basket 1.
D. Play HPC's Hole C backwards to NE corner of course.
E. Play HPC's Hole B backwards (basket at long tee).
F. Tee from near Basket 9 to new perm Hole C basket (in woods near creek - this will be a huge and tight and winding lefty hole unless tomahawk is used).
*cross creek on natural bridge in place by then)*
G. Tee from Tee 27 to Basket 7.
H. Play from new perm Hole A basket area to Basket 6.
I. Tee from Hole 6's cement tee to Basket 5.
J-R. Repeat, some at slightly different tees.
Round 2
A. Hole 1.
B. Hole 11.
C. Hole 12.
D. Hole 22.
E. Hole 14.
F. Hole 15.
G. Hole A.
H. Hole 16.
I. Hole 8.
J. Hole B (long tee).
K. Hole C (long tee).
L. Hole 9.
M. HPC's Hole B.
N. HPC's Hole C.
O. Hole 19.
P. Hole 2.
Q. Hole 21.
R. Hole 13.
Final Round of 4 Holes for top 4 Pros only:
Hole 1.
Hole 2.
Hole 3.
Hole 22.
ONLY 4 holes; any ties after that will play CTP on Hole 5. Any more than that and we'll pass our 10pm curfew (plus we might have some younger Ams or folks who have to drive a long way).
I've tried to take into consideration all suggestions for safari holes, except going across the lake. Just can't get it to flow well with an 18-hole format. Also, the fishing derby always leaves tons of debris close to shore (hooks, line, more hooks, dead fish & bait). Not a pretty teepad. We might also have some anglers unwilling to vacate their spot while it is still light out (these guys take their fishing seriously!).
I think its a good mix of holes, especially for the glow(ish) round. These will not all be easy holes; you will need to use your entire arsenal to get through this layout. A real test of skill!
Potential timeline:
Round 1 Tee-off at 3pm, will probably last 1.5 hours.
Break from 4:30-5:30.
Round 2 Tee-off at 5:45. This round will probably last 2+ hours (more woods, getting dark).
Good point. In the past, I usually got out a few days before the tourney and measured. Simply didn't have time for the HPC. Because of the new permanent hole additions, my guess is that a few folks will be out there with me over the next month working on the course, so we should have plenty of opportunity to do the measuring.
We could pre-print the teecards to be placed at the holes and 2-3 guys can put them up during lunch break. Shouldn't take too long. That's why I put the weirder holes in Round 1, saving work for Round 2.
Website is now updated!
Co-TD. And yes, I'd love to TD an event with you Shawn! I'd also love to see you play in the tourney.
As for making holes easier, take another look at the hole descriptions. Those ain't easy, baby! Not only is everyone playing the same holes, but we're using some of the longer alternates, new perm holes (which many won't be too familiar with), and it will be partial glow. I really want to make this a challenge for everyone.
If that is sissified, then I'm Merideth Baxter Birney!
:-)
Maybe we can make a road trip later in the year! I've never played in the capital city. Is it 18 holes?
We bumped them up by $5 each. Website will get updated soon.
Also, can people post flyers please???
If you need 'em, call me.
Website is wrong-o. I will fix-o.
The prices below are correct-o.
Pro-$35
Adv-$30
Am-$25
Rec & Junior-$15
Shawn will be co-TD and we still haven't spoken in depth about all this yet. We're thinking that the players' package will be some glow stix and perhaps a glow mini. even though it won't be a real glow event (more like twilight for the 2nd round), glow stuff is cool to get.
By increasing the entry fees by $5 (Rec/Junior stay same), we can increase payouts slightly and take in a little more $ for the club.
Also, I'm seriously thinking about not using the big scoreboard. Standing Rocks just had a laptop and printer. they printed out standings quickly (Excel can sort and rank faster than me) after each round. That would make grouping for the second round and final four much easier. They posted copies of the standings on the walls on the HQ building (so that all players could see results fast.
Also (and like I said, Shawn and I need to hash all this out), the raffle might be trimmed down a bit (we gave out WAY too much stuff at the Memorial), and all sponsor-donated plastic can be used for CTPs.
After everything was paid for, the club only garnered about 6% profit at the HPC Memorial. We need to boost that without robbing the players. Hopefully these 2 things (entry fees and raffle) will help.
Both these things would make my wife VERY happy! We could use them for all tourneys. THANKS! Yes, yes! You may even be able to claim those items on your taxes next year!
Woo-hoo! 2 weeks until the Widdershins!
Now that Holes A & C are installed and Hole B will wait until July unfortunately, we have to change the temp course layout for the event.
Attached is a Word document (3-pages) with all the lastest info. This will be reflected on the website by tomorrow.
Jay is also adding a pre-registration form with credit card and Paypal payment options. Of course, you can write a check as well (to "Discontinuum").
There will not be a raffle and limited refreshments will be sold at the tourney.
If the Ace Pool is not hit, there will be a jumbo toss CTP to split the cash (50/30/20).
Glowsticks and glow minis will be the players' package and the baskets will be illuminated the second round by glowing rings in the baskets.
Payouts: Pro - cash / Advanced - cash & prizes / Amateur - cash & prizes / Recs & Junior - prizes.
The temp holes will be tough and we'll only be playing a few cement tees. This should really be a fun one, even without all the extra frills we usually throw in. This way payouts will remain high and the club's expenses will be fewer.
So sign up TODAY!!!
Bad news about Widdershins. There are several baseball games scheduled for next Saturday from 3pm until 8pm. Also, there are 2 soccer games scheduled for earlier in the day. Looks like we won't be able to do many - if any - temporary holes. Also, the bridges are not usable over the creek, so Hole C shouldn't be used.
So, I propose we use all concrete and alternates and Hole A, making for 2 rounds of 19 holes.
I'll talk to Trigg Monday and get more specific info.
9 Holes + Hole A (long tee)
9 Holes + Hole A (short tee) = 20 holes per round.
OR
We can play old Blast Hole A, then play Hole C, but the rough back there is monstrous. We got so many complaints about it over the past 2 years that I prefer not doing that one. However, our choices are quite limited.
Before we consider more suggestions, I really want to talk to Trigg and Shawn (he is co-TD after all).
I am also open to putting a few temporaries across the street (to the west).
But lets not lose hope. Lets take all that positive Prairie Open energy and rock the Widdershins; after all, Widdershins is all about reversing bad energy and transforming the negative into positive.
I will post as soon as I hear from Trigg.
Shawn, will you be home tonight or will you still be sleeping??? How late can I call you?
Point well made. But I do not think we'll get more than 50 people on Saturday. I'm waiting for Trigg to call back about use of the field across the street. These may not be ideal holes if we do use the space, but at least we'll have another option.
Another option is shotgun start....
Yes, I meant staggered start.
That's OK about the basket - glad you were able to unload it!
I dunno about this whole thing.
If Trigg doesn't call me back by morning, Shawn and I will just make decisions and pay the consequences later.
Jojo: Hole Sponsorship would be great! I'll email you specifics.
Josh, would you consider a Hole Sponsorship again?
Chain Reaction will NOT be there (they'll be on vacation at sandy pt) Tourist will prob not be there, just I'm checking.
OK, did not hear from Mike Trigg at the WPD yet. Time is running short, so I made some decisions:
-we will use holes A, B and C
-we will make 2 bridges over the creek, maybe getting some big help from..... Adrian! :-)
-we will not be using temporary baskets near the baseball diamond or soccer fields
-we will have different colored CTP flags for different divisions
***IF ANYONE CAN HELP ON THURSDAY NIGHT, PLEASE BE AT BEVIER AROUND 5pm***
***IF ANYONE CAN HELP ON FRIDAY NIGHT, PLEASE BE AT BEVIER AROUND 5pm***
I'll be there both nights (goddess willing) and will get to Bevier around 12noon on Saturday.
Yes, big daddy. Temporary Hole B is old temporary A.
I'll bring my drill, nuts and bolts, hammer and nails, some wood, my hatchet and clippers, my rake, and a couple of buckets to haul woodchips around.
My wheelbarrow is history - finally rusted through! so if anyone can bring a wheelbarrow and do chips on Hole C's fairway, that would be super.
I am not off on Friday but will be at Bevier after 5pm. Mirth, please bring whacker, shovel, and rake.
Main concerns before Widdershins:
-Will Lance marry Jessie?
-Will Ridge find his way out of the Cave of Doom?
-Will Abe Vigoda ever die?
OK, seriously:
-dangerous stumps must be gone
-bridges must be built and safe
-all must look pretty
-Holes A,B,C must be measured (and marked and flagged)
ALSO......
-Shawn gets limited food and drink
-Mirth, BC bring computer and printer???
(if not, that's OK, just lemme know please)
-Jim gets different colored flags & glow minis
-Jim prints out schedule/handouts/maps
-Shawn gets glow rings
-Everyone has a good time and plays awesome!
THANKS guys! What brands are they (so we can determine compatibility before I pull a "duh" at the tourney).
Mirth, please also say what brand/size/model of ink cartridge.
Things are coming along just fine.
We'll be having a few CTPs thanks to Josh and Jojo and SunKing!
The new Holes A & C are looking and playing GREAT!!! Thanks to all those who have been working on them. If anyone can help Brett and Mirth on Friday, please do. I'll be out there for a while Friday evening too.
*****
On Saturday, Adrian will be de-stumping the new holes in the morning. If you help at either time, please DO NOT TAKE DOWN ANY MORE LIVING TREES. I got my butt chewed today by the WPD for being a little too liberal in our clearing efforts.
I will not be there until about 12 noon on Satuday and we do not get the building until after 1pm because the Fishing Derby folks are using it.
PLEASE call me at work on Friday (847) 535-0795 or home early Saturday (847) 244-6729 if you have any questions or problems.
The club does have a park permit (I have copy) in case Johnny Law gives anyone a hassle.
Someone not from our club has taken down a few small but healthy trees and did a real hack job. I just wanted to let everyone know in case someone gets ambitious.
Yeah, mainly on Hole A, but some stuff was done on Hole B basket area. More than what Paul, Chud and myself did. I must have left my hatchet and that's what they used, 'cuz I cannot find the hatchet now. I explained this to Trigg and he seemed to understand that we aren't just chopping indescriminately.
The course looks fabulous! Thanks to Mirth, Brett, Adrian, Rene, and Chud for all the hard work!
We spread a lot of chips and refined the tees on Hole C, and did measuring and more clipping on A, B, and C. And thanks to Adrian, many many stumps are gone.
All is ready for a fine event tomorrow!
Its 10:30 and I'm leaving for the course.
If anything is needed or if a crisis happens (gee, that never happens), call Brett or Mirth on their cells.
Good luck everyone!
3rd Annual Widdershins Open – Henry Pfau Callahan DGC, Bevier Park, Waukegan, IL
June 7th, 2003
Round 1 – 18 holes
Round 2 – 24 holes
Par 126
26 Players Total
3 Pro
6 Advanced
16 Amateur
1 Recreational
RESULTS
Pro
Adrian Gutierrez – 116 - $90
John Van Deurzen – 119 - $50
Shawn Fallon – 120
Advanced
Pat Satler – 117 - $75
Joe Burnett – 125 - $50
Kevin Smart – 127 - $33
Kevin Walsh – 129
Travis Smith – 129
Myk Deardorf – 131
Amateur
Mike Walsh – 122 - $50 + disc
Kevin Lenth – 123 - $35 + disc
Ryan Olszewski – 129 - $30 + disc
Jay Neirodzik – 129 - $25 + disc
Al Short – 130 - $15 + disc
Jon Bornoski – 131 - $10 + disc
Jeff Kirkton – 137 – 2 discs
Joe Tyson – 138 – 1 disc
John Hagerbaumer – 140
Josh Mapes – 140
Bill Potts – 144
Richie Freitas – 145
Scott Ulrichs – 152
Ken Kirby – 152
Richard Christian – DNF
Recreational
Paul Christensen - 145
THANK YOU
Shawn - co-TD, snacks, glowsticks, donations
Dr. Dye - beUUUteeful CTP discs and vouchers
hyzerhurths.com - great CTP discs
Brett - scorekeeper & layout Einstein, hole worker
Mirth - donated printer, scorekeeper, holeworker
BC - donated laptop
Adrian - bridges & stumpmaster, holeworker
Damon, Steve, Chud, Paul & Rene - holeworkers
BIG THANKS to all those who helped out and please forgive or remind me if I've forgotten something (that NEVER happens).
26 players total: 3 Pros, 6 Advanced, 16 Ams, and 1 Rec. Two very long rounds (1st round my fault, sorry) and 2nd round was over 3.5 hours with 3 holes or more in complete blackness. I never thought it would go that late. But there was plenty of great playing, with 2 Wisconsin boys driving quite a way for the tourney (thanks, P-Sat and John Van D) and doing well, and Mike Walsh coming up from the south side of Chi-town to win Ams.
Congrats to all who won! I hope people liked the payouts (I think everyone was happy) and that everyone had a good time.
Looks beautiful - THANKS Jay!
New Widdershins photos are on the website. More to come later.......
I like the idea of a glow round. That sounds fun!!!
Personally I don't like the idea about playing Bevier backwards. I've done it a few times & I for some reason I don't care for it. I also think this adds a lot more work of marking tees & measuring, #'ing holes, & getting score cards ready. Also, just think, @ the last 2 tournaments, 73 of 105 players have been Rec & Am. That's 70% of the field. Will these players enjoy Safari Holes that may be hard to find & rather difficult?
I would like to play 3 rounds of 12 to maybe 15 holes. The 3 alternates (ABC) aren't in yet, but they should be by the Widdershins. I'd like to play those for sure. If we start @ 3PM, that gives us almost 5 solid hours of daylight. Play the first 2 rounds from the alternates, then the glow round from the cements & short alternates. Just a thought.
I like the idea of the 2nd round. Easy enough to follow. No extra prep time required.
Who will be marking & measuring all those holes for the 2nd round? It took Mirth & I half an hour to measure & mark holes ABC @ the HPC Memorial. You are looking at 2+hours of marking & measuring holes.
Just trying to find ways to cut out preparation time.
I could care less on how hard the course is. All I hear is that people don't have a lot of time to donate. Just trying to keep the format simple & easy to plan. We should become efficient & better with our tournaments. That way we can play more, not plan & prepare. By the way Shawn, Widdershins needs a TD, you up for it?
Jim,
Are the entry fees on the DISContinuum website correct for the Widdershins Open? You posted different amounts on the PDGA Discussion Board?
The DISContinuum Website has had those fees on there since the Widdershins link was added. I posted on the PDGA Board & then you posted with different entry fees. You may want to change it. http://www.pdga.com/discus/messages/5547/9222.html?1052939671
Info posted @ Round Lake today. Let's make sure we pub this tourney @ the Prairie Open. Also, we have 2 weeks, please post a flyer @ any course you play. Thanks!
Jim,
That blows!
Find out what time the soccer games get done.
How about setting up old blast A under the power lines, then playing C, & walking around playing hole #9 or maybe the alternate from the soccer field to #9 if the soccer games are done.
Just some options.
Jim & I will be at Bevier tonight as well. I'll get out there around 2:30 but Jim won't be there until 4:30-5:00. I'm going to see if I can get the bridge started from C to #9.
I really think we are going to have a decent sized field for this event. I talked to a bunch of people at Bevier yestarday. They said they were coming.
Also, I preregistered by paypal. Am I the 1st?
Jim, Chud, & I cleared the path from C to #9. It is nice!! Adrian is going to cut the stumps with a chainsaw & finish up the bridge. We did get a very narrow bridge up & the creek is now passable but Adrian said he had some more wood to make it wider. C is going to be a great hole from all 3 positions when complete.
Mirth,
I get out of school @ 9:45 on Friday. Would you like to meet around 10:30 to do a few hours worth of work? Hole A, C, & 7 needs some weedwhacking. I can rake holes A & C again.
Club Members,
Remember, these tournaments are hosted for us. Please come out, have a good time, & play some good disc golf. Many of our members spend many hours a day preparing for club events. Thanks Jim & Shawn for running this tournament & spending so much time to get the Widdershins going. The new holes are coming along & will be playable on Saturday.
Thanks
Heard you guys stayed pretty late & were able to use the glow sticks. I wish I could have played. I am encouraged to see new people play & show interest in the club/disc golf. The course is looking great & the new holes are awesome. Can't wait until B is done. Thanks Adrian for all the hard work & Jim & Shawn for hosting another successful tournament.
Don't change the configeration of the widdershins to much to accomidate people who want to save time. I personally loved playing the mandos that we played last year and the scores were not really that different from pro to am on the true par 5's. I am truly disapointed that we are not doing the mandos this year. Brett, if you go to any course that has plenty of ams playing, they usually play longs and suck and have a good time. I am sick of people getting soft with players thinking that something might be to hard for them to play.....Do you really want to make people feel better about playing a simple layout and getting a good score? Or have them talking about almost 4ing that awsome mando hole?
Be creative....please...think out of the box. I will gladly help with getting lenghts or what ever.
Jim, give me a call if you need help
I sure hope when things change, they don't get sissyfied.
We could do pro tees...just kidding. I just sent out e-mails to my family to get some set dates that I have free. I have 3 or 4 free weekends this summer, would love to assist with this event or any other.
I'm looking for a cooler and ice for todays event, my girl took both of mine on her vacation.
Jim, I got the minis from Josh and some promotional stuff also. Josh also donated 4 disc for CTP's....looks like 1 is a proto-valk.
I also have some used discs for Nick, he said that he has a demo/clinic in Deerfield(new course). Anybody else that has extra used disc, please give them to Jim.
i have a very old laptop i could donate to the club to go along with the printer. it was something i got to "borrow" from my old job that I don't use anymore.
I have the laptop laying under some clothes. There is no battery pack for it right now, but I do have a plug that I'll throw in with it so you can get MORE POWER!!!! I'll put it in the trunk of the car tonight after a little cleanup.
The laptop is a Toshiba Satellite Pro 420C. I'm almost positive that it'll work with the printer.
Sounds awesome to me! Photon discs by Discraft would be the way to go. From what I hear they glow the brightest. And the longest.
4 rounds.... all count because I look at them like this
1st]warm-up Im still getting going...
2nd] OKay Im into the swing of things
Lunch/dinner
3rd]Crap Im cold again. Time to warm up
4th]Okay last round lets make it count!
Thank you Jim and Shawn for a fantastic event!
I placed 4th(had tied for 3rd, lost the flip), and even though I would have like to taken first, I feel I played more solidly and smart than I have in a long long time, maybe ever. I didn't have many 2's but in 42 holes I only shot over par on 4 of them. (As usual I need to work on putting, I missed a good 8 or 9 birdies by missing 7 to 12 foot putts)
The highlight of my evening was shooting for the Ace pool ctp. Brand new G6i Demon (which along with my G9i Wizard, both acquired yesterday, are my two new favortie discs), out it went seemed to be ther perfect line. It wasn't :-( It was about two inches too low and it slammed into the side of the basket :-) But regardless I won the CTP.
On a different note, we had 4+ plus people wanting a bag tag, so we are going to order 10 or 15 more. Now we need to run another tourney to get everyone together to get them :-)
Anyways thanks again Jim, Shawn, and everyone else who helped in the preperation etc...(Sorry Brett you couldn't play)
Results are online!
I'm going to be coming down to Bevier friday at around 4:45-5:00 to drop off some minis for Jim, if he isn't there, will anyone else be there I can give them to? I won't be able to make it on Saturday, but I hope everyone has a blast!!!
QuoteJim (06-02-2003 12:00 p.m.):
Point well made. But I do not think we'll get more than 50 people on Saturday. I'm waiting for Trigg to call back about use of the field across the street. These may not be ideal holes if we do use the space, but at least we'll have another option.
Another option is shotgun start....
Jim, I don't know how this effects your options, but I had promised you the use of my basket for the Widdershins if I still owned it. I sold it Sunday, so it is not available. Sounds like you might not need it anyway.
We normally do a shotgun start (just we use a car horn or air horn). Were thinking of doing a staggered start where everyone starts on hole 1 and each group starts after the previous group ended? If you were and you were only playing 9 baskets, you could start the first 9 groups but then would have to wait until they played all the holes they were supposed to before you could start group 10. That's if they were going to play multiple tees. Either way, I don't see the staggered start saving any time.
That sucks about the events going on that day!!! 2 rounds of 19 sounds good too. On another note, are we doing any hole sponserships? Would be intrested in doing that for good ole DR DYE.
Woo Hooo!! I am preregistered and ready to kick you guys aces!!!!!
What time does the park close? Sundown? 8:00? 10:00?
Yeah, no one hacked anything down when I was there. We used the hand axes to chop at some undergrowth and existing stumps, but that was it! I think I will be free Friday night to help, but it wouldn't be before 5:30ish, probably. I'll stop by and see if I can help!