I've had quite a few players asking if they would qualify for Am Worlds in 2007. Attached are the qualifying standards for 2006. You can get a pretty good idea of what you have to do to get in or not.
Pro Worlds
Am Worlds
If those standards stay the same there are almost 60 ams in IL that have over 1000 points.
Thanks for posting Brett. Just this afternoon I was searching for that info on the PDGA website. I turn 49 this year so its grandmasters next. Even I can't blow this one. :-\ It looks like it only takes 100 points and I have played enough to qualify to play in Milwaukee. Can't wait! July 23-28, 2007.
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation? How many points is that in each division?
Usually they don't fill and plenty of players get in from the waiting list. I think the huge numbers of Illinois players who want to attend may change that scenario for 2007.
Looks like I need to get in lots of sanctioned events between now and the end of the year!
Tim posted in another thread so I figured i'd bump this one up. Last year any amateur that had 1000 or more points automatically qualified for worlds. That might change this year but I think you are safe with 1700 Tim.
OK, I'm slightly confused (what else is new). According the the 2006 PDGA Tour Events Guide (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2006/06EventsGuide.pdf) "Invitations will be sent to the top 25% of 2005 Points earners in each division in each state/province, with a certain minimum # of points required in each division."
Nothing is said about automatic qualification by exceeding some point threshold, although the documents above clearly show otherwise. Are the actual qualification requirements/procedures documented somewhere?
Quote from: bruce_brakel on September 19, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation? How many points is that in each division?
Usually they don't fill and plenty of players get in from the waiting list. I think the huge numbers of Illinois players who want to attend may change that scenario for 2007.
Thanks, Bruce, I read your original post. It just seems to me that PDGA policy and procedure that should be transparent (i.e. ratings, qualifying) are not. In fact, they are seemingly pretty arbitrary. If someone were to try and figure out qualifications standards for am worlds and did not have access to the expertise of this or similar clubs they don't have a chance. While the language of the published events guide is clear, that obviously is NOT the actual standard.
when do invites go out? is it via mail?
Invitations go out after they wrap up 2006 stats. Late January or early February is likely. They switched to out e-mail notifications sometime this century. Before that I think it was always by mail.
[tone=sarcasm]The PDGA is all about arbitrary opacity. The membership overwhelmingly voted for arbitrary opacity in the last election.[/tone]
If they go with 1000 points and the other typical criteria [all women and juniors who have played a tournament, etc.] they'll be inviting about 750 players. That sounds about right.
If you call the office and ask for Dave Gentry he is usually helpful.
I guess the guestion I have is can a lousy player who showed up at enough tournaments to amass 307 points get in because he will have just crossed the line to a new age protected division? He hopes he doesn't regret getting talked into leaving Crystal Lake and getting no points when there were plenty of worse players just because there was a little old monsoon.
Quote from: bruce_brakel on September 19, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?
Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:
2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
2005 - 158 (Arizona)
2006 - 244 (Tulsa)
Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete. Does that sound typical?
Quote from: bruce_brakel on November 30, 2006, 09:08:11 AM
[tone=sarcasm]The PDGA is all about arbitrary opacity. The membership overwhelmingly voted for arbitrary opacity in the last election.[/tone]
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My best recollection is that they invite two or three times as many as would fill the courses. They almost never fill. They filled Pro Worlds this year because they did not have as many courses as normal.
300 points will probably get you in Barish. You are about 225th on the points list for Am Masters.
Quote from: tjdub42 on November 30, 2006, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: bruce_brakel on September 19, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?
Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:
2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
2005 - 158 (Arizona)
2006 - 244 (Tulsa)
Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete. Does that sound typical?
What an AWESOME week of disc golf that was!
As the Am Worlds TD I'll just stress the importance of 'not stressing out' about all of this stuff just yet. VERY RARELY are people ultimately turned away from Am or Pro Worlds. Yes, there are various qualification criteria and sometimes a certain amount of points will get you in and sometimes you can have less than that but if you are in the top % of your region you can earn an invite that way.
The PDGA sends out tons of invites but only a small percentage actually reply and register right away. So then the PDGA normally sends out a second wave of invites. After that is they usually open things up to the waiting list. The flood gates open and registrations come pouring in. Before you know it the people that got the original invites are complaining because their spots are quickly dwindling.
If you get an invite - send in.
We plan to max out somewhere around 500. We are NOT trying to break attendance records at this event. Our 4 courses can only handle so much golf. I'm post here (and on many other message boards) simply for 'rumor control'. I will certainly post more details as they develop.
Thanks,
PS: We have a D-Tier coming up next weekend (Dec 9th) and I might do another one before the year is over as well. Those are a couple of opportunities to earn even a few more points for next year. Remember, only the points you've earned in the 2006 calendar year are the points that count towards Am or Pro Worlds invites.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 30, 2006, 11:00:32 AM
Quote from: tjdub42 on November 30, 2006, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: bruce_brakel on September 19, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?
Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:
2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
2005 - 158 (Arizona)
2006 - 244 (Tulsa)
Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete. Does that sound typical?
What an AWESOME week of disc golf that was!
YOu bet that was a AWESOME WEEK!! I had a blast in Iowa~!
2008 Kalamazoo Pro-Am Worlds. Get your points in 2007. Kalamazoo has great courses and it is closer than Highbridge.
And we all know this crazy guy out of MI.....
Now I've got no excuse for not playing some of those courses next year.
Also: Yea on the combined Pro-Am Worlds!
While on a long phone call I was wondering the PDGA website trying to keep awake yet mildly focused on the call. I recall reading PDGA board minutes where they conditionally awarded 2008 to Zoo but they had some questions they wanted resolved having to do with the courses. What did they want? Also, who will the host be? Will you be involved? If so, would that effect your participation in IOS? Just wondering.
They were just being coy. They have no one willing to run Pro Worlds unless they can also skim a pile of cash off the ams for it, so expect linkage quite a bit. Pro Worlds was in Augusta last year because no one would do it and PDGA Board Member Pete May said his club would do a scaled down version if that was the last option. It was.
You'll see Pro-Am Wisconsin in 2007, but at two different venues. Then Pro-Am Kalamazoo in 2008 and Pro-Am Kansas City in 2009.
In related news, the Waterford Junior Girls Club FINALLY decided that they are not playing Milwaukee Am Worlds. It was their decision, not mine. I'm fine with it, I guess. I'd be willing to take a week off from work to drive my girls around, but only if it is what they want to do. With my bad elbow, it is not realistic for me to play Am Worlds as an Am Master. Maybe Am Grand in KC if my left arm is stronger by then.
I might have a hand in 2008 K'zoo Worlds. I volunteered to be the Junior TD when Larry was putting his bid together, but have told him that if there is someone busting their butt on course improvement or whatever who would feel honored to be the Junior TD who is also capable, I'd have no problem just being the father of a couple of Champions. So we'll see. 2008 seems a long way off today, but in four weeks 2008 will be next year.
Oh man so excited for Kalamazoo worlds. For some reason I don't really play that well in the courses I learned to play on there, but it will still be a blast. Timber Ridge is going to blow people away!
Quote from: tjdub42 on November 30, 2006, 09:38:41 AM
Quote from: bruce_brakel on September 19, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
The point minimum might go up or down. They work backwards to arrive at that number. How many is a full field? How many should we invite to be pretty sure we can accomodate everyone who accepts an invitation?
Attempting to "work backwards" for the regular old Advanced Men's division, the number of participants have been:
2003 - 213 (Kansas City)
2004 - 278 (Des Moines)
2005 - 158 (Arizona)
2006 - 244 (Tulsa)
Assuming the "full field" goal is 250-300 for Milwaukee & there are about 550 potential qualifiers with 1,000+ points, that would mean 50% of the invitees would compete. Does that sound typical?
Based on the 2006 Worlds standard for automatic invitation to the "top point earners" of 2006:
MA1 1,000 pts 613
MM1 300 pts 275
MG1 100 pts 123
FW1 50 pts 105
FM1 30 pts 43
MJ1 75 pts 156
MJ2 50 pts 102
FJ1 25 pts 8
FJ2 10 pts 7
Total 1,432 - compared to 987 invitees based on these top point earner standards last year, a 45% increase.
Bruce, I know you can only speculate, but does this mean they'll possibly/probably increase the standards for Milwaukee?
BTW, Illinois had 69 touring ams with 1,000+ points, & 50 with 1,500+, more than any other state.
I could only speculate. I don't know how many courses Terry is running or whether he is going with a two round day or a three round day. We'll hear the official word in a few weeks.
Invite list is supposed to be up on the PDGA site on FEB.15th
Just got my invitation pack!
The PDGA has started to update the prereg pages for Worlds.
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=680432&Main=680432#Post680432
I believe the invites were sent out on March 19th. There is a 60 day period for the players on the invite list to register. After that 60 day period anyone will be able to register for Worlds unitl it fills.