I have created this thread as a tool for me and other TDs that would like access to the tools. Unless otherwise specified you may treat these files as open source documents.
Here I have posted the pdf of the registration cards that we have used with the Gateway leader boards. If anyone wants the original that I made with Adobe PageMaker 7, let me know. I can't post that kind of file on this board.
Very cool.
Here is a score card I use quite a bit.
I'm not a TD but you may find this useful. Attached is the scorecard I print.
TD's (or anybody that knows), I am looking to pick up some flag markers for an upcoming tournament that I'm helping to run, and I wanted to know if there was a local store that I could buy them from before having to order online. I'd like to get assorted colors as well, but I don't know if I can get that.
Thanks!
You should be able to find them at any of the big box hardware stores.
menards has the orange flags. like 25 flags for a couple bucks.
thanks for the tips. I found some at Lowes, but I also found a place online that was 100 flags for $5 + S&H vs 25 flags for $3 at Lowes. So I opted for the online route because I figure that this will not be the last tournament that I help run :)
Has anybody made home-made leaderboards? I was thinking that I could somehow take some foam board and cut up some clear plastic bags that I have and attach it to the board to make pockets. There was a turnout of 30 kids for last year's tournament, and there are more expected this year, especially because there's going to be lots of free stuff :)
If you can find someone tossing out (or selling at a garage sale) louvered shutters, you can use the slats to hold cards.
Before we got our leadboards we used to use cork boards and tack the cards down with push pins. You need 4 push pins per four-some or 6 push pins if it is really windy. It only adds about 5 minutes to the turn around if you have 60 or fewer players.
Push pins also work with Tyvek or soft pine.
Here's the excel sheet with the score cards for the 2006 IOS #7 at Fairfield.
ok guys its been 11 years since i ran an event but im doing it in 07 what do you use for doing flyers and how do you say convert to a pdf thanks for the help
I just got done running the Ice Bowl at Jericho lake and I used Microsoft Publisher. It can create some great looking flyers if you know how to work it. I can shoot you the flyer over an email if you likethis site will not support the file for download.
re: converting to PDF - you need pdf creation software which typically provides a pdf 'printer' you can use for saving your file as a pdf.
for non-free software, adobe acrobat standard is where its at.
for free software I like cutepdf - http://www.cutepdf.com
you need to first download & install this: http://www.cutepdf.com/download/converter.exe
then download and install this: http://www.cutepdf.com/download/CuteWriter.exe
once both are installed you'll have a new print destination called cutepdf writer. it'll ask where you want your pdf saved. if you alter the original you need to recreate the pdf file. there's no editing existing files with the free cute pdf writer.
When you guys run a tourney, how do you equate the CTPs towards payout for the TD report in order to keep within the PDGA requirements? I understand you are well over the required amount of payback peercent, but how do you get that #?
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on October 13, 2007, 07:14:24 AM
When you guys run a tourney, how do you equate the CTPs towards payout for the TD report in order to keep within the PDGA requirements? I understand you are well over the required amount of payback peercent, but how do you get that #?
I'd be happy to answer the question if I understood the question.
Here are some answers that might answer the question without me ever having to understand the question.
The PDGA has no required amount of payback. The PDGA requires a minimum event value which includes the value of the player pack, prizes, included side games [like CTPs], trophies, and food. You could have no payout if your player pack, ctps, trophies and food were sufficient.
The TD report has cells for all of that stuff. You just fill in the blanks. It calculates the event value. It might display the event value or not in a box called "For Office Use Only." I cannot remember.
We use ordinary retail values for donated CTPs based on the price of our own merch.
For the payout, we report the brass given out and cash given out.
If you do food you're making yourself like the Homie does, you just have to be reasonable.
A good TD never has to worry about meeting PDGA minimums unless he is running an event that has been advertised as a charitable event or a fund raiser of some kind. PDGA payouts are hideously crappy. Terry Miller's payouts exceed PDGA minimums. :P If you want to cut it close to minimum for an Ice Bowl, I think everyone will understand and be fine with that.
for not understanding the question, you pretty much nailed what I was looking for. Thanks
A couple of process improvement ideas based off observations from the last IOS:
- Having a scoring tent separate from the merch area is a great idea. Keep Marie as bouncer for those that shouldn't be in the tent.
- A card should be made to go at the top of the Score Ports that lists the numbers of places paid and trophies available for each division. Yes it's on the lap top and posted elsewhere, but for the card sorters/markers, it would be nice to have it right there.
- Consider updating the registration card template to have a separate spot to mark the trophy positions. Bruce accidentally handed out the 3rd place trophy to the 3rd place paid out (which was really the 4th trophy spot due to a trophy only player). I would then just put an X through this box when the player is trophy only.
- Trim 1/4" off the length of the registration card so it fits in the narrow column easier.
Quote from: krupicka on June 06, 2008, 07:26:53 AM
A couple of process improvement ideas based off observations from the last IOS:
1 - Having a scoring tent separate from the merch area is a great idea. Keep Marie as bouncer for those that shouldn't be in the tent.
2 - A card should be made to go at the top of the Score Ports that lists the numbers of places paid and trophies available for each division. Yes it's on the lap top and posted elsewhere, but for the card sorters/markers, it would be nice to have it right there.
3 - Consider updating the registration card template to have a separate spot to mark the trophy positions. Bruce accidentally handed out the 3rd place trophy to the 3rd place paid out (which was really the 4th trophy spot due to a trophy only player). I would then just put an X through this box when the player is trophy only.
4 - Trim 1/4" off the length of the registration card so it fits in the narrow column easier.
1 - Thank you. That's my idea of the year. I know the year is relatively new but I'm not coming up with something better than that!
2 - That's a great idea. I'm NOT putting that down as your idea of the year...I don't think you can top the computerizing of IOS payouts.
3 - This is the year of the bar code system. This works really well for me. There are various lines in sharpy across the top of the registration cards. The line on the far right above the total score spot is for trophy only. Any amateur with that line is TO and should not get a payout. Bruce knows this...he even remembered it from IOS 1 until IOS 2. Bruce gets really whacky during awards and doesn't really think about what he's doing...like when he shouts out how one of his best volunteers took a dive the second round and then doesn't understand how that might be a little embarrassing.
4 - Maddisen cuts all the registration cards. I'll try to remind her to do that. We should also be getting new score ports soon and this might not be a problem anymore.
The bar worked fine for getting all of the payout positions correct. It was more of a notation thing so that when he saw the card with a 3 on it, Bruce needed to know that the player was just getting the 3rd place payout, but not the 3rd place trophy. He hadn't yet gotten to the trophy only card in his hand.
Really the best way to deal with the trophy-only trophy receiving players is for me to take time to review the division before I start announcing out awards. We could come up with some code on the card, but what I really need to do is take a moment to review the division so I know that stuff.
When we get to awards I want to move fast because taking forever to get to awards and then doing them in slow motion are tournament peeves of mine. It is the one thing i don't like about -- well, just about every tournament I go to -- is that they are not ready to do awards at the end of the tournament and then they take forever getting them done.
And a lot of players like the fact that at the end of the tournament we do awards right away. What are those other TDs doing?
Quote from: krupicka on June 06, 2008, 07:56:40 AM
The bar worked fine for getting all of the payout positions correct. It was more of a notation thing so that when he saw the card with a 3 on it, Bruce needed to know that the player was just getting the 3rd place payout, but not the 3rd place trophy. He hadn't yet gotten to the trophy only card in his hand.
Ah, I misunderstood. I couldn't pass on a chance to take a dig at Bruce though. You guys have no idea how he treated me when I was a little kid...I'm not even 1/10th of the way back to even!
I think when we take the boards over to Bruce we should review trophy only, half-in and no trophy situations with him. We do the awards fast enough that I think we can take 1 or 2 minutes to review those things. I do know that we are pretty fast with payout because almost no one asks to be paid out early anymore...and those that do are usually first time IOS players.
I recreated the registration cards within Excel and changed up a few things if you're interested in seeing it. They are also sized (although I found it still has to be trimmed on the right some) to fit on the scorepointe's without slipping into the board and disappearing. The scorepointe has faults of its own though.
I changed it to have a box for round one, a box for round two, a box for total, and a box for place (I believe your cards have Rd 1-3, then total). I also added a spot on the card to mark if they are in the ace fund - another backup to verify they are in the pool, updated the $5 to $10 if they are not-current, and I think I made the spot for their names a bit larger.
Jon - were you guys looking to get new Scorepointe's or Gateway scoreboards? I can PM you about it.
The tent is awesome.
I have moved this question to the TD Corder.
I am back into the sport after an 18 year hiatus, and I'm very excited to be getting involved in helping to direct tournaments. I have found that the ScorePointe score board is currently sold-out EVERYWHERE until October or November. I have at least two local tournaments coming up before then, and I was wondering if any of the TD's out there could recommend the best way to buy/make a score card display system. Any help would be appreciated.
I have tried both the PDGA Pro Shop and ScorePointe.com (which is actually Ching) to no avail.
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Gateway also makes tournament scoreboards, which is what the club and the IOS TDs have been using until recently upgrading to the ScorePointe's.
The Gateway boards are designed for foursomes on every hole but a 5th can be added in the hole number pocket.
Do you have a web address for Gateway Tournament Scoreboards? I've tried Google, and several Gateway re-sellers, but no one seems to carry a Scoreboard. I'm thinking louvered shutters may be my best bet.
just contact gateway direct..... www.gdstour.com
The cheapest way to do score boards is to use a pin board and push pins. This is how Jon and I did Lizard Doubles, the MDGOs at Flip City and Kensington and Shadow Doubles. Did we do any IOS tournaments that way? After two or three years of that, Jon got a deal on the Gateway scoreports.
Usually we used to cork pin boards I scavenged from work. Once we used a picnic table, unless i'm thinking of what Schwass did the next day for the singles. One time I forgot the cork boards and we used a sheet of styrofoam we scavenged from Bill's barn.
Jon, tell me none of this ever happened!
if you run a Gateway sponsored event, they'll even send you the scoreboards to use. Email office@gdstour.com if you want to get more information about Gateway tournaments.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 21, 2006, 08:25:15 PM
I have created this thread as a tool for me and other TDs that would like access to the tools. Unless otherwise specified you may treat these files as open source documents.
Here I have posted the pdf of the registration cards that we have used with the Gateway leader boards. If anyone wants the original that I made with Adobe PageMaker 7, let me know. I can't post that kind of file on this board.
Jon,
Can you post the new registration card document that you are using on the Score Pointe?
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 19, 2008, 07:25:07 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 21, 2006, 08:25:15 PM
I have created this thread as a tool for me and other TDs that would like access to the tools. Unless otherwise specified you may treat these files as open source documents.
Here I have posted the pdf of the registration cards that we have used with the Gateway leader boards. If anyone wants the original that I made with Adobe PageMaker 7, let me know. I can't post that kind of file on this board.
Jon,
Can you post the new registration card document that you are using on the Score Pointe?
Sure, but I have a really busy weekend and I can't do it from work, so if you don't see it by Sunday, remind me again. Tonight I'm doing the video from the press box at the Wildcats game (marching band show) and then on Saturday I'm running two of the four video cameras for the marching band festival (I'm doing the two side lines cameras).
That is cool. I'll remind you. I don't need it immediately. Within the next week would be good.
I am going to try something different for the Bloomington Normal Open since it's PreReg only. I am going to use all white cardstock for all the registration cards. I'm going to use a different color marker for every division. That should save me from the guessing game of the # of cards to print for each division.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 19, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
That is cool. I'll remind you. I don't need it immediately. Within the next week would be good.
I am going to try something different for the Bloomington Normal Open since it's PreReg only. I am going to use all white cardstock for all the registration cards. I'm going to use a different color marker for every division. That should save me from the guessing game of the # of cards to print for each division.
That's a cool idea. Let me know how it works. The last few IOS events I've been printing the division on the card from the file. So, you want a pdf version with the division blank?
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 19, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 19, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
That is cool. I'll remind you. I don't need it immediately. Within the next week would be good.
I am going to try something different for the Bloomington Normal Open since it's PreReg only. I am going to use all white cardstock for all the registration cards. I'm going to use a different color marker for every division. That should save me from the guessing game of the # of cards to print for each division.
That's a cool idea. Let me know how it works. The last few IOS events I've been printing the division on the card from the file. So, you want a pdf version with the division blank?
Division blank is fine by me. Thanks again Jon!
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 19, 2008, 07:58:51 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 19, 2008, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 19, 2008, 10:45:55 AM
That is cool. I'll remind you. I don't need it immediately. Within the next week would be good.
I am going to try something different for the Bloomington Normal Open since it's PreReg only. I am going to use all white cardstock for all the registration cards. I'm going to use a different color marker for every division. That should save me from the guessing game of the # of cards to print for each division.
That's a cool idea. Let me know how it works. The last few IOS events I've been printing the division on the card from the file. So, you want a pdf version with the division blank?
Brett,
Here it is.
Division blank is fine by me. Thanks again Jon!
Thanks Jon!
This post is for all those TDs reading who use paypal to take pre-reg and who run basket raffles or other unlicensed raffles at their tournaments.
I was told at the Tobbogan yesterday that the reason why a recent A-tier had to do cashless honor-system pre-reg was because in addition to taking pre-reg on paypal they were also taking basket raffle money. When Paypal found out that they were being used to operate an illegal raffle, they froze the tournament director's account.
If you are going to run illegal basket raffles or bucket games, don't run them on Paypal!
I was speaking with a couple other players in Madison the other day about a problem we've shared.
Many players are like myself in that they have full-time jobs with a limited number of vacation days which need to be scheduled out in advance. In the spring I usually scan the PDGA Tour page for events I want to play and make sure I can take off work if necessary, or make sure other summer plans are scheduled around the disc golf events I wish to play.
It seems this year alot of tournaments (not just IOS) have been throwing up their event on the PDGA Tour schedule at the last second. In some situations I'm sure this can't be avoided, but I really believe this practice does a disservice to the TD who desires a large field of players, and espeically to a TD who desires a large amount of pre-registration.
I've spoken with more than 1 player who didn't play an event because they didn't know about it due to it not being on the PDGA schedule, and also multiple players who made other plans because they didn't realize there would be a tournament on that date.
I'm just throwing this out there for any TD's looking to maximize their turnouts. The PDGA schedule is the easiest resource the players have for discovering tournaments, so do yourself a favor and get it on there atleast 2 months in advance!
I agree with Dan that this is a problem. There paperwork issues for TD's with sanctioned tournaments. Without putting more pressure on State Coordinators such as Brett and Terry et. al. it helps to have a running list of the proposed tournaments posted somewhere. I know we all saw a list of Illinois events early in the season and some of those events have not happened. It would be better if the threshold for listing something on PDGA was easier and things could be worked out while the event is listed.
I really like what Brett did this year in getting the dates together early - although it was difficult for people to find that info unless they knew to come here. I'm glad that it wasn't super public as there were a lot of changes to that list.
What I'd really like to see more is more coordination with the surrounding states - especially Wisconsin and Indiana. Then we can focus on trying to make sure the annual huge events in each of the states don't step on each other's toes. That will allow players to be able to freely go from one tournament to another without having to make the decisions on which ones to go play.
It is announced at player s meeting all ob is listed on the sheet
disc leaves disc course over fence in to private property
not listed on sheet
ob or not ob ? :unsure:
HEY, LOOK HERE IS A PLACE TO PROPERLY USE THIS SMILEY :unsure:
Not OB.
That's what I thought. One person in my group asked me is that OB. I looked at the course routing/rules and it says "baseball field" only, nothing about a fence. Luckily no one in my group decided to make a scene about it after the round as I saw happen to another player.
I personally didn't like Jay's argument about Brian not knowing the course back there, and that it's a given that that property line is out of bounds. If he doesn't know the course, he shoudn't draw up the sheet or it should say clearly that any property line fences are out of bounds. There's only maybe a handful of holes out there out of all 72 where that comes into play so you could just list it on the sheet for those particular holes.
brian also informed me that the PDGA rule for a lost disc is not to re-tee as I foolishly thought, but in fact to play it from where you last saw it. and i was told i was ridiculous for questioning him, as he is a 'pdga official'. so hey, you get what you get when you go to Cedar Lake. its always an adventure!
It would make sense that there would be a rule that says that if you are not on the course then you are OB...but I don't think there is one!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 12, 2009, 07:42:15 AM
It would make sense that there would be a rule that says that if you are not on the course then you are OB...but I don't think there is one!
Probably because that would be a subjective rule. What might be defined as 'the course' to one player may not be the same for another..
Quote from: CEValkyrie on August 11, 2009, 07:53:13 PM
Not OB.
And yet, trespassing on the neighbor's property would be grounds for disqualification under the rule prohibiting any conduct that is against the law. Therefore, the disc is in an unplayable lie. >:D Is this smiley appropriate?
Quote from: Dan Michler on August 12, 2009, 08:07:27 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 12, 2009, 07:42:15 AM
It would make sense that there would be a rule that says that if you are not on the course then you are OB...but I don't think there is one!
Probably because that would be a subjective rule. What might be defined as 'the course' to one player may not be the same for another..
As opposed to the rest of our rules which are not subject to interpretation? ;D But you are right. Generally ball golf courses the OB is well defined as well as the course is well defined. Not so much in disc golf.
At IOS tournaments at Aurora in the past, there was as temp hole by a neighbor's property. There was a similiar fence to the one in question at Lemon Lake. The difference was that Brett or Bruce or somebody clearly stated that going over that fence was OB. That's the difference. You can't assume that everyone knows the rules you follow in league or the rules of the course period. It needs to be stated ahead of time.