Anyone planning on going on the pro/adv day?Which is Sunday Feb 11,2007
Definitely going to this. Pre-reg is recommended as well. If anyone needs the flyer, let me know and I will send it on.
Quote from: tacimala on January 05, 2007, 10:12:03 AM
Definitely going to this. Pre-reg is recommended as well. If anyone needs the flyer, let me know and I will send it on.
YES,CAN I GET A FLYER
If there's an extra one I'd like it as well. If not could someone just post the basics, price, times and what not. Thanks
Ah I did have one in my email after all. Just copy and paste this into a notepad file and fill it out when you want to send it in. Here is the flyer info:
CRACKED PLASTIC CLASSIC
A PDGA B-TIER EVENT
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AT COLD BROOK PARK, KALAMAZOO, MICHIGAN
FEBRUARY 10TH & 11th , 2007
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As for that weekend, I am heading in Friday night and staying until Sunday night. Saturday I will go play a course nearby there, Kimball Pines, as it will be a good practice course for Coldbrook (same types of shots, but harder). May try to get over towards the end of the Saturday event and get a quick round in at Coldbrook as well. If anyone is looking to get a hotel room over there, I actually run an online business directory for Kalamazoo and I can save you a few $$ on hotel rooms. Take a look at the hotels listed on www.gokzoo.com/lodging for those interested. If you decide to go with one, let me know and I will waive the booking fee ($6 savings, but hey that's lunch!). Make sure to PM me beforehand and we'll set it up. (edit note: the same booking system that I use also has nationwide hotels as well, so the same goes for anywhere if someone wants to save a few dollars on a hotel room anywhere)
Also, two weekends before that I think I am going to head over there for an event as well. This would be a Sunday event for the Michigan Intercollegiate Series, but guests are invited to play and can win money/score points as well. There is a bring your partner doubles round and then a match play singles after. This event is on Sunday the 27th so I would be heading over there on Saturday to play at Coldbrook to get some practice in. The collegiate event is not at Coldbrook however, but it is right nearby so it would make for a good golf weekend. We could probably arrange a carpool if anyone else is interested.
Coldbrook is a fun course and this is a generally well run tournament. Coldbrook requires accuracy more than distance, skills more than power. It is a course for the master of the Roc or Buzzz. Lots of trees and narrow fairways. Not a single lefty shot on it that I can think of. There are places where holes are too close together so expect that. If it is a snowy, a plastic sled with a tow rope is a fun way to pull your bag around.
There are a few lefty holes. I can think of three holes that are right turns. Most of the shots there require you to just throw straight, so left or right doesn't matter too much.
Another good piece of advice someone told me for there is to bring a big towel along to put down behind your disc so you don't slip on ice/snow/dirt/etc.
Quote from: tacimala on January 05, 2007, 12:29:06 PM
There are a few lefty holes. I can think of three holes that are right turns. Most of the shots there require you to just throw straight, so left or right doesn't matter too much.
Another good piece of advice someone told me for there is to bring a big towel along to put down behind your disc so you don't slip on ice/snow/dirt/etc.
Not all right turns are "lefty" shots. I've seen plenty of courses that have holes that can be easily reached by a righty backhand anhyzer but not so much by a lefty backhand shot. It took me playing a few rounds with Bruce after he learned to throw lefty for me to understand the difference.
I know it's a ways away, but what is the weather there like right now? and typically what is the weather like there in feb.?
Weather is about the same as it is here really. As for what it's like in February...normally we had a pretty thick blanket of snow that time of year, but who knows. At this pace we'll be in shorts by then. The course is on the east side of a lake, so there will be some wind from that, even more if it's frozen over so that will cool it down some. I've not actually played this course in the winter, but I lived in that area for 7 years.
Thanks for all the info. Now I just have to check the calendar.
Normally this tournament is held on the coldest day of winter. At least, the last two times I went to it it was the coldest day of winter.
Just found out that there is an Ice Bowl at this course next Saturday, the 13th. More info on www.clubdeaddiscgolf.com.
Talked to a buddy of mine tonight that played at Coldbrook last night. He said he shot 8 over (not that great for a 942 rated player) and beat everyone that he was playing with. I guess it was pretty icy out there and the conditions weren't great. I'll be there on Saturday to test it myself and I will report back for those interested in the tourney.
Yeah I am still not sure if I want to go to this one. It will be interesting to see what Jaun thinks.
About an inch of snow on the ground on Saturday there at Coldbrook. Teepads were a bit slippery so hopefully someone gets out there a few times in the next few weeks with a shovel and some salt. With a little bit of salt it will be in great conditions. Scores on Saturday ranged from one down to four up for the 3 of us.
10 inches of snow dropped last night there. I was in the area for the weekend and play was obviously pretty tough this morning. I lost 2 discs.
I might be able to do this if I can get my friend to meet me out there from the Detroit area though...probably have to play AM2 though 'cause it's on Sat. and I'd have to be on a train all Sunday...I dunno if I'd play in that much snow either.
10 Inches!!!! uh oh, I'd better put some homing beacons on my discs for this one :o I have never played in that much snow before, it will be a test for sure, of eyesight and walking ability
Kelsey and I once played this tournament in a foot of fresh and very light new snow. The snow was so powdery, the disc wouldn't leave much of a cut mark. She caddied for me on my day and I caddied for her on her day. By caddying for each other we did not lose any discs, because the caddies mostly stayed forward spotting on every throw.
Also, bring a plastic sled and pull your discs. It is so much easier, and there are a couple of places where you can ride the sled to the next hole.
Coldbrook has a lot of pine trees so I think the actual amount of snow on the ground on the more wooded holes will be much less than the holes in the open. A spotter is definitely a good thing to have and will save a lot of headache. Playing on Sunday will be nice though because a lot of the common areas will be packed down pretty well by then so not as much of an opportunity for a lost disc.
I think you are confusing Coldbrook with Oshtemo. Or maybe Kimbal Pines. There is a stand of pines between holes 1 and 2, but not a lot after that.
If ten inches fell, it will be on the ground. With this cold weather, more is likely to fall over the next two weeks. Kalamazoo gets a lot of lake effect snow. We're getting flurries every day here, remnants of the lake effect snow that dumps on the west side of the state.
Did Larry get permission for the use of ribbons this year?
Hmmm maybe I am not remembering things as I thought. The course I played Sunday morning (after all the snow) was Oshtemo and in the areas with pines and thicker tree cover, there was not as much snow. I didn't end up playing Coldbrook so I was just guessing. Kimball Pines could definitely be interesting with all that snow. I played there on Saturday before snow was an issue.
I'll have to find out about the ribbons. I have not heard anything yet.
Just wanted to Bump this thread since the tourney is this weekend. I also wanted to extend a hearty good luck to all the IL players (and MI transplants) playing on Sun. I'm playing Sat. in INT. let's see IL run the table and take all the divisions we're in. Has anyone heard anything about strings on the discs? I don't think I am going to use them anyway but I was wondering in case I change my mind.
I have not heard anything about them being allowed which would probably mean they are not. The TD would have to have gotten it approved beforehand as well.
Best of luck on Saturday! I saw your name on the list. Let me know if you have any questions before you leave on where to go while in Kalamazoo.
Thanks, I'm staying with my sister who goes to Grand Valley State in GR so I'll be goin back and forth sat. Any hints or tips for Coldbrook since I've never played it before? it sounds like there are some "star wars" holes like at New Lenox, tight woods with more luck then actual skill to get through.
Stand and deliver. No run up. Keep your eye on your target window. That's what I did when I won Advanced there in 2004. On the longer open holes, do whatever. In the woods it is more important to miss the first few trees and hit your window than it is to get max power.
Oh btw, the teepads are going to be shoveled as part of a sponsorship package, so you have that to look forward to. I know I am!
definitely happy to hear that, what kind of clothing is everyone wearing? I'm trying to decide if I should go with big bulky snowpants or just flexible layers, any more info on snowfall? amounts?
Quote from: SIUFrolf on February 08, 2007, 07:42:35 PM
definitely happy to hear that, what kind of clothing is everyone wearing? I'm trying to decide if I should go with big bulky snowpants or just flexible layers, any more info on snowfall? amounts?
I found a wonderful combination with long underwear and fleece-lined blue jeans (carpenter). I used the combo playing in negative temperatures at streamwood. My legs were never cold, and I never had a problem with movement. $20 for the blue jeans at WalMart. I didn't layer enough up top (even with heavy coat on and two shirts), and my stomach (keep in mind I'm very round - to put it nicely) got really cold... got some frostbite burns there.
The fleece pants are also boot-cut so that they can go over some winter boots. I don't know how much snow you're working with though, so I don't know if you'll have stuff seeping in up past the boot tops.
The report from Tuesday was that Coldbrook had 6-8" with some 2 foot drifts in some places so make sure not to throw at drifts! Talking to a buddy right now a little more came down last night but nothing substantial. It will probably snow both nights this weekend also, but nothing major is predicted I do not think.
As for clothing, the times that I have played in deep snow this year, the key for me was to have waterproof shoes/boots. Even if they aren't really tall boots, at least make sure they are waterproof. I wear some Timberland hiking ankle high shoes (basically like hightops) and a big pair of waterproof socks that go halfway up to my knee. Along with 2 pairs of socks underneath, that keeps my feet warm and most importantly, dry. I usually go with a layer of sweatpants and a layer of jeans, but I may add another layer to the mix this weekend. As for the top layer, I normally go with a t-shirt > long sleeve t-shirt > sweatshirt > hooded sweatshirt > fleece on top to try and compress it down. That keeps me plenty warm and I usually drop the hoodie halfway through. I would recommend grabbing a ski mask or a scarf to cover your face, if only for in between drives. That is probably the one thing most people will not think about and it won't be a good thing the next day.
layer up bitches
Quote from: Dan Michler on February 09, 2007, 08:49:41 AM
layer up bitches
Good advice.
This thread explored winter wear about a year ago.
http://discontinuum.org/forums/index.php/topic,2067.0.html
Merch should be very profitable as there ought to be a boatload of lost discs this weekend. Have fun.
Quote from: tacimala on February 09, 2007, 07:28:16 AMI would recommend grabbing a ski mask or a scarf to cover your face, if only for in between drives. That is probably the one thing most people will not think about and it won't be a good thing the next day.
Muffs are overrated. A good beard (by crackey) is all you need. Don't forget to bring a flask filled with your favorite adult beverage: It's like a sweater for your insides.
My personal favorite winter disc golf fashion statement has to be the plastic-bags-instead-of-gore-tex-socks look. Classic!
Quote from: jack on February 09, 2007, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: tacimala on February 09, 2007, 07:28:16 AMI would recommend grabbing a ski mask or a scarf to cover your face, if only for in between drives. That is probably the one thing most people will not think about and it won't be a good thing the next day.
Muffs are overrated. A good beard (by crackey) is all you need. Don't forget to bring a flask filled with your favorite adult beverage: It's like a sweater for your insides.
My personal favorite winter disc golf fashion statement has to be the plastic-bags-instead-of-gore-tex-socks look. Classic!
The process of alcohol digestion makes your skin feel warmer but actually reduces your core temperature. If you want to keep your core temp up lay off the alcoholic bevies until you can enjoy one next to a warm fire.
well, it was a great tourney, great course for seeing it the first time ever, can't wait to play it again under warmer conditions. Had a bad 1st round but was able to recover second round to take 9th overall, not a win for IL but in the top ten!!! Saw Terry miller (I think it was him) ace a hole when he was playing a casual round of doubles. that was pretty cool. The Bells Porter was great with the homemade chili!!!! on another good note, I did not lose a disc!!!!
Congrats on your top ten finish! I was glad too that I did not lose a disc. I came very close a few times though as I was getting very odd kicks. I did not play as well as hoped and my 3 and 4 up landed me in a big tie for 12th place. How did everyone else do that went?
I did terrible, I know Terry took 2nd in Open.
Overall, it was a fun day despite shooting so horrible. For those not in attendance, Geoff Bennett took home another first place win with a -6 and -7. I'm not sure what Terry shot, but he was hot on Bennett's heals, reportedly up by 5 on him at one point (this coming from Geoff). Brent Koontz, an up and coming rookie from Fort Wayne, IN was in a tie for 3rd.
In advanced, the tournament came down to a playoff between Ziggy "bagger" Bierekoven and Jason Kirkaldy. Ziggy won the playoff and secured his fourth consecutive sanctioned advanced victory. Shouts of "bagger" and "move up" roared through the pavilion. But you can't really get on a 14 year old to move up to open. He should be someone to watch over the next 5 years as a rising star.
Mark Ellis had a come from behind victory in the small Grandmasters field with a -1 on his second round, defeating Leonard Johnson, who was the first round leader.
I believe in Open you cashed if you were under par for the day. The conditions were rough, my guess is SSA was -3.
I know there was a few discontinuum guys there on sunday, but tags were not discussed. Are tags still in play if no one collects them before the rounds? Can it be worked out once scores are posted? Because I've been looking forward to dumping my #55.
Quote from: Tenny Schimo Fan on February 12, 2007, 12:36:24 PM
I know there was a few discontinuum guys there on sunday, but tags were not discussed. Are tags still in play if no one collects them before the rounds? Can it be worked out once scores are posted? Because I've been looking forward to dumping my #55.
I think you are going to be looking a little while longer.
Quote from: Tenny Schimo Fan on February 12, 2007, 12:36:24 PM
I know there was a few discontinuum guys there on sunday, but tags were not discussed. Are tags still in play if no one collects them before the rounds? Can it be worked out once scores are posted? Because I've been looking forward to dumping my #55.
Tags are ALWAYS in play! ;D
Last year I collected and ran the tags at most of the tournies I attended. It's a lot of work, especially at the end when people tend to run, drive fast, and generally dissapear after a round &/or finish they weren't happy with, with no regard for their tag.
If someone doesn't step up & collect them, or at least mention tags to other members at the beginning, usually it doesn't happen. At State last year there were only about 5-7 of us there on the lower day, so we just met up at the end and traded around.
if there was nothing organized at the event and no on card challenges occured (which are supposed to be obligatory at tournaments, maybe none of our club members got on the same cards) then the cracked plastic was a missed opportunity for tag challenges.
good luck next time!
This is a well run tournament but I hated the course its played on. 90% of the holes are based on a righty who can throw a 260 foot hyzer. Both of the long holes are ridiculas on the course, they are just out of reach for me yet an easy reach in two shots if you can throw 250 feet twice. First round I was not wearing warm enough layers and was freezing which did not help. I think they should of made one good 18 hole course instead of cramming 24 crappy holes. I dont think I will be back next year.
nothing pisses off the big arms more than technical wooded courses.
Quote from: mirth on February 12, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
nothing pisses off the big arms more than technical wooded courses.
Even more so for lefty big-arms, eh?
I don't think Coldbrook is a good course, but I think it has its merits. I am not good at technical courses (as evidenced by my score), but I have respect for the course, to a point. You have to be lucky to shoot hot there, but you have to throw controlled shots. Being a lefty, I disagree it is all righty shots. I find that a lot of wooded holes don't favor either handed player. If I may, let me look at each hole as being a "lefty" or "righty" hole.
1 - Righty
2 - Righty
3 - Neutral, leans towards righty
4 - Neutral, very close to being lefty
5 - Lefty
6 - Lefty
7 - Righty
8 - Neutral, leans slighty righty
9 - Neutral, leans towards lefty
10 - Righty
11 - Neutral, close to being righty
12 - Neutral
13 - Righty
14 - Lefty
15 - Lefty
16 - Righty
17 - Neutral, close to being lefty
18 - Righty, but just a hard hole for anyone
19 - Lefty
20 - Neutral
21 - Righty
22 - Righty
23 - Lefty
24 - Neutralish, leans towards righty
So by count that is:
Righty - 9
Lefty - 6
Neutral - 9
Seems pretty balanced to me, but I would say the course is 70% skill and 30% luck, which is way too high for a course, even a technical one. Of course, purely my opinion and a topic for debate
Quote from: Mukey on February 12, 2007, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: mirth on February 12, 2007, 01:46:03 PM
nothing pisses off the big arms more than technical wooded courses.
Even more so for lefty big-arms, eh?
heh, i forgot that swanny's a southpaw.
Neal was that you out there that had the unfortunate hole 22 during the 2nd round?
Results are in
Saturday: http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6490
Sunday: http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6491
Quote from: Cannon Boy on February 12, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
This is a well run tournament but I hated the course its played on. 90% of the holes are based on a righty who can throw a 260 foot hyzer. Both of the long holes are ridiculas on the course, they are just out of reach for me yet an easy reach in two shots if you can throw 250 feet twice. First round I was not wearing warm enough layers and was freezing which did not help. I think they should of made one good 18 hole course instead of cramming 24 crappy holes. I dont think I will be back next year.
On the righty/lefty balance, I'd have to agree with Neal. Most of the "lefty" holes are reachable with righty anhyzers and righty turn overs. There are plenty of righty holes out there with no real lefty route.
I'd also agree that they crammed 24 holes in on a piece of land with room for a good 18 hole course. The course conflicts on 1 and 2, 2 and 4, 7 and 18, and down in the bowl are just insane. Wear a helmet!
If you think this is a good course, that's just how utterly bad Illinois courses are! This is not one of Michigan's top ten. There are four or five better courses in K'zoo/BattleCreek alone.
But, on Sunday all four divisions were won by lefties and righty forehand throwers. So, good players overcome.
They are actually turning Coldbrook into an 18 hole course as part of the preparation for worlds. It was blatantly obvious how necessary this was based on the backups at 4 and 18. That was my only complaint of the day really.
Good call on the helmet. I actually saw someone get hit by a stray disc. It hit a tree way up top and came straight down onto his head while he was at the next tee. It made a sound louder than hitting a tree.
Anyone planning on going to this one this year? It's feb 9th & 10th. I plan on playing on Sun cause I'll be playing Rockford's Ice Bowl with a buddy on Sat. I know they've had some lake effect lately but if it's as warm as it is here, hopefully most of that will melt by then.
I will be going this year, see how ill do. I have never played the course before. From the sounds of the course i will have a hard time on this course, dont think my over hand shots will help me much. Hopefully i can place my shots well enough to do good.
Ouch Sunday is going to be 11* with 19 mph wind. That is well below zero have fun with that. IM goin sat. and its gonna be 30 still cold but that as bad. Have fun
Kelsey and I were thinking about going until I saw the weather forecast: 3-6 inches of new snow on Friday night and then 40 mph winds on Saturday. Good luck with that!
I was wondering why Larry has such small fields for his lower divisions and then I noticed the Rec entry fee is $40. $40?!?! $50 makes for a nice entry-level entry fee for a non-member. I bet you get a lot of non-members with that entry fee.
omg i know that is an outrage. They are lucky that im addicted to disc golf. I looked at the entry fee and almost crapped my pants. I had to drop 40bucks to get in, 3 bucks for doing it online, 5 bucks for ace, 5 bucks for ctp, all that just to play int. That is 53$ and i havent even left my house. The pdga has to do something about am payouts, cause players are not going to be able to play many tourneys with the entry fees rising and getting discs in return.. I think an AM player should be able to take a Percent of there payout in cash.. We gotta eat, LOL
IM not gonna complain about the weather. I already did enough complaining above, I will survive..
Quote from: OvEr HaNd AsSaSiN on February 06, 2008, 07:37:17 PM
omg i know that is an outrage. They are lucky that im addicted to disc golf. I looked at the entry fee and almost crapped my pants. I had to drop 40bucks to get in, 3 bucks for doing it online, 5 bucks for ace, 5 bucks for ctp, all that just to play int. That is 53$ and i havent even left my house. The pdga has to do something about am payouts, cause players are not going to be able to play many tourneys with the entry fees rising and getting discs in return.. I think an AM player should be able to take a Percent of there payout in cash.. We gotta eat, LOL
IM not gonna complain about the weather. I already did enough complaining above, I will survive..
This discussion could easily go into a different thread instead of talking about the tournament, but I do want to respond. Entry fee? terrible - the player pack with that kind of entry fee should be something like $25 worth of stuff and then some really nice payouts. Will that happen? doubtful unfortunately. However, in response to taking a percentage cash - I'd recommend one of two things: go Pro, or stay home. The TD will learn quickly that if no one shows up with the prices at $40 and a ton of people show up when it's $25-$30 or something, then they should change things up. Your other option would be to take the plastic that you win and sell it to someone else that does want it.
I won't defend a $40 entry fee for the intermediate division. I don't agree with that unless there were some huge perks for the money.
With an honest TD, taking a percentage back as cash would just be a really rough day on the TD and on the vendor (should they be two different entities). As a vendor I wouldn't want to give back some of the guaranteed cash that I was expecting to receive as part of making the time to come out and sell.
They are steep entry fees, but Larry has the best payouts I've ever seen. By no way, shape or form is this a knock on anyone here running tournaments. For both Cracked Plastic and Lumberjack last year we got a Star and an FLX disc as a players pack and even the pros got that. Payouts were deep and far, far above the PDGA standardized crappy payouts.
Larry does have good payouts and good player packs. You'll get your money's worth.
He won't learn anything from high entry fees and low attendance. Larry's learning curve is kind of shaped like central Illinois, but without the corn.
The weather forecast is better. Less snow, less wind, warmer temps. Trying to find out how much snow is on the ground currently...
I went to this one last year. There are alot of tight, short holes in the woods. Its a fun course. Dress warm cuz its a long day standing around out there for 2 rounds of 24 with a pretty full course.
I can't wait to play this course in the warm weather for Worlds '08!
The course has been redesigned some for Worlds but a lot of it is the same. They fixed the worst course routing conflicts and used a little more of the available land. I won in Advanced in 2004. I think I'll be playing Intermediate with Tom if I go this year.
Quote from: stpitner on February 06, 2008, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: OvEr HaNd AsSaSiN on February 06, 2008, 07:37:17 PM
omg i know that is an outrage. They are lucky that im addicted to disc golf. I looked at the entry fee and almost crapped my pants. I had to drop 40bucks to get in, 3 bucks for doing it online, 5 bucks for ace, 5 bucks for ctp, all that just to play int. That is 53$ and i havent even left my house. The pdga has to do something about am payouts, cause players are not going to be able to play many tourneys with the entry fees rising and getting discs in return.. I think an AM player should be able to take a Percent of there payout in cash.. We gotta eat, LOL
IM not gonna complain about the weather. I already did enough complaining above, I will survive..
This discussion could easily go into a different thread instead of talking about the tournament, but I do want to respond. Entry fee? terrible - the player pack with that kind of entry fee should be something like $25 worth of stuff and then some really nice payouts. Will that happen? doubtful unfortunately. However, in response to taking a percentage cash - I'd recommend one of two things: go Pro, or stay home. The TD will learn quickly that if no one shows up with the prices at $40 and a ton of people show up when it's $25-$30 or something, then they should change things up. Your other option would be to take the plastic that you win and sell it to someone else that does want it.
I won't defend a $40 entry fee for the intermediate division. I don't agree with that unless there were some huge perks for the money.
With an honest TD, taking a percentage back as cash would just be a really rough day on the TD and on the vendor (should they be two different entities). As a vendor I wouldn't want to give back some of the guaranteed cash that I was expecting to receive as part of making the time to come out and sell.
You said it all in one sentence as to what is holding disc golf back. You said "I'd recommend one of two things: go Pro, or stay home." The way to get more people to play tourneys is to A. Lower the cost of tourneys or B. Add some more incentive to play and try out the new sport. IOS proved that with the trophy only system. Many players get tired of paying 30-35 bucks to play just to add to there box of hundred discs at home. Im not cutting any tourney directors they do a good job and devote alot of time. But the way things are right now it will be hard for the sport to grow.
Really good tournament. Fat player packs, good amateur payouts, really yummy chili (the mac and cheese was good too) and well run. The tee pads were shoveled and salted.
The only thing they didn't get quite right was adequate course routing. The course was recently redesigned for the better but not all the tees and baskets had correct numbers on them.
Kelsey had a 929 or something like that rated second round, but kind of sleep walked through the morning round. I was wild all day long. Coldbrook is not a good course to be wild on. But, I retained the crown.
Congrats to Terry Miller for winning open at Cracked Plastic.
Congrats to all of us that played today and finished! Time for bed...
really good tourney. well ran, awesome chili and beer, the course is a good course.. I had a never bad day score wise. Nothing was working.. i wish i could play that course more cause i think it would make me a better all around.. It had challenging holes and alot of turn over shots... Congrats to all that did good...
results for pro/adv are up!
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7500&year=2007&includeRatings=1#Open
That is the most DNF's I can remember seeing for a 1 day event. Props to everybody who nutted up and finished yesterday. You all deserve an award for being really retarded.
did none of the masters play a second round?
Pro old dudes played on Saturday bro.
i meant grand masters
that is correct, they made a division decision to play one round and then go to the brewery instead of playing the second round....
Congrats on your first 1000 rated round Jason!
I wonder if the ice was as much a factor as the temp for the DNFs. After the Saturday players stomped down the wet snow all nice and flat and then it froze solid it must have been like playing on a glacier.
ice wasn't a factor. the holes around the lake were brutally windy! critter bill threw a shot and all of a sudden it was snowing and gusting really bad and his shot was missing. i felt bad, it would had probably gone ob but we would have been able to find it. on the other side of the course (all the short wooded holes) the wind and snow wasn't all that bad.
also- i thought there were a few more DNF's than listed..
Quote from: Silicon Avatar on February 11, 2008, 04:46:10 PM
I wonder if the ice was as much a factor as the temp for the DNFs. After the Saturday players stomped down the wet snow all nice and flat and then it froze solid it must have been like playing on a glacier.
It wasn't that icey because it snowed about 4 inches over night and there were snow squalls during the round. Also the wind was blowing at a minimum of 30 mph the entire day. I worked outside everyday, all day for about 25 years and have never been that miserable due to weather. It didn't help that there is a good size lake on the northeast corner of the course and that is the direction from which the wind was blowing. There was one hole where you could barely see the pin because the snow was blowing so hard.
There were some groups where guys were on the course and they said fuck it and walked off. Other guys didn't let anyone know that they weren't coming back for the second round so there was quite a bit of manuvering between groups to make sure that everyone had at least three in a grouping.
I know of at least one person who played the first round and they aren't listed within the results. So I think that there are more DNFs than shown in the results.
This will be a fun course to play during worlds.
wow that sounds terrible.. Im glad i didnt go sunday cause sat. the wind was bad enough... It was nasty by hole two and three if im remembering correctly...
Quote from: tacimala on February 11, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
Congrats on your first 1000 rated round Jason!
why else did you think he couldn't wait to get up that link to the results? ;)
Must have been lake-effect snow. It was sunny here.
Quote from: Dan Michler on February 11, 2008, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: tacimala on February 11, 2008, 04:05:03 PM
Congrats on your first 1000 rated round Jason!
why else did you think he couldn't wait to get up that link to the results? ;)
yeah..yeah.. i was kind of happy about that.. It was just nice for once to feel like i was playing well, which doesnt happen often at all. The event was really fun dispite the weather conditions , the payout was great. I too am lookig forward to this course at Worlds, I think i am going to play Lumberjack too!
Kimble Pines is more challenging than Coldbrook and it has a better vsriety of holes. It is a really good course.
Bringing this thread back since it's in a couple weeks. Anyone going? Does anyone know if there is a pre-reg site? I went to PDGA and it sent me to the k'aces website but that hasn't been updated last I went and they were still talking about Worlds. I plan on going for Sun. probably do the Abomidable snowman sat. if my buddies don't decide to go up and play sat, then i'll be a caddy.
Larry has been really slow to get anything updated on the website now that the guy who was doing it before has moved. Best bet may be to just mail in a check at this point. I can grab his address for you if you want.
I plan on going over, always one of the fun winter tourneys!
Reg is up at http://www.kacesdiscgolf.com/
I five reallys want to play on Sunday. There will be a pro grand group on Sunday, Mark Ellis, Phil Shelton, Joe Gill, maybe Scott of Club Dead, and one or two others. I have commitments on Sunday. Saturday in the rain and foot deep slush? Not so sure about that.