IOS #6 @ Round Lake, IL--10/20&21/07
Is it too late to register for this event?
Also, what kind of OB will there be and will there be any alternate holes?
I will be needing an answer ASAP so I can prepare myself mentally and physically.
me too!
It is not too late if you hurry. We are going to use yellow rope to divide the open parts of the course into a giant checker board of four foot squares. Every other square will have an orange flag in it. If you land in a square with a flag you are out of bounds. The drop zone will be the tee.
Good luck on 18.
;D
Quote from: bruce_brakel on January 25, 2007, 02:15:49 PM
It is not too late if you hurry. We are going to use yellow rope to divide the open parts of the course into a giant checker board of four foot squares. Every other square will have an orange flag in it. If you land in a square with a flag you are out of bounds. The drop zone will be the tee.
Good luck on 18.
;D
LOL! Could you imagine how much rope that would take?
Quote from: Mukey on January 25, 2007, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: bruce_brakel on January 25, 2007, 02:15:49 PM
It is not too late if you hurry. We are going to use yellow rope to divide the open parts of the course into a giant checker board of four foot squares. Every other square will have an orange flag in it. If you land in a square with a flag you are out of bounds. The drop zone will be the tee.
Good luck on 18.
;D
LOL! Could you imagine how much rope that would take?
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 25, 2007, 11:14:32 AM
Is it too late to register for this event?
Also, what kind of OB will there be and will there be any alternate holes?
I will be needing an answer ASAP so I can prepare myself mentally and physically.
What's the weather forecast?
Sunny to overcast skies during the day, getting darker at night.
It will be seasonably! O0
How's the water situation at Fairfield? Are all the fairways dry? Is it muddy?
With $450 rolling over, the ace pool is likely to approach $700.
What else do you need to know? ;D
How to actually hit the ace. :D
If anyone can let me know how to hit an ACE I will split the pot with them!!! ^_^
Quote from: DougEDawg on September 19, 2007, 06:19:08 AM
How's the water situation at Fairfield?
I wouldn't drink it.
Quote from: damonshort on September 19, 2007, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: DougEDawg on September 19, 2007, 06:19:08 AM
How's the water situation at Fairfield?
I wouldn't drink it.
If Alex had said that, well that would really mean something!!!!
Quote from: DiscCrazy on September 19, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
If anyone can let me know how to hit an ACE I will split the pot with them!!! ^_^
Easy. Throw your frisbee into the bucket using only one throw.
Quote from: mirth on September 19, 2007, 11:52:46 AM
Quote from: DiscCrazy on September 19, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
If anyone can let me know how to hit an ACE I will split the pot with them!!! ^_^
Easy. Throw your frisbee into the bucket using only one throw.
Ok Mirth thanks, If I get a ace I will split the pot with you. You can use this post against me for payment if I forget. ;D
I tried that strategy at league tonight but it is not as easy as it sounds.
Hey, I'm making Bears discs for Round Lake. I'm doing some Innova. Right now I have three Champion Orc Bears and one Champion Monster Bear.
Becky, I'll be rinsing your Storm Bears tomorrow.
Are the fairways dry yet? Muddy? Completely under H20? Anyone?
Quote from: DougEDawg on September 20, 2007, 07:21:53 AM
Are the fairways dry yet? Muddy? Completely under H20? Anyone?
All holes are fine and playable. Mosquitos are bad, but ground seems to be OK. I even walked about 20 feet into the swampiness on 12 without getting my feet wet.
If anyone would be interested in spotting at IOS #6 please let me know. I think having someone to spot and wave players to tee off on 12, 18, 7 and 14 would help keep the rounds moving well.
Played there today. Everything is dry. 2 step Freddy walked thru the swamp on 12 and did not get wet. The swamp on 10 had dried up a lot. Some mud and a little water but no much. The skeeters are still bad back in the woods.
Someone explane round lake to me please.. Never played there before
Half short holes in the woods. Half longer holes through a pasture. Usually the tall grass on the long down and up hole is marked o.b. Sometimes we make an "island hole" with o.b. rope. Fun. Fun.
Discontinuum's Round Lake Tour (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=60)
Quote from: Top Banana on September 19, 2007, 07:44:32 PM
Becky, I'll be rinsing your Storm Bears tomorrow.
If Diana is coming to Peoria, can the storms ride with her?
are there a long set of tees here ?
One set of tees
i might have to play sat to make sure to have shot at ace fund then
Playing on Saturday will give you a shot at the Bears and Cubs discs too!
I'm dying Bears and Cubs discs right now. Yodas too. I'll take special requests.
Soon I'll be doing some Tiggers and some Fishies. The Fishie dyed disc is the same as the Aurora stamp but bigger.
Quote from: Top Banana on September 21, 2007, 06:29:26 PM
Playing on Saturday will give you a shot at the Bears and Cubs discs too!
I'm dying Bears and Cubs discs right now. Yodas too. I'll take special requests.
Soon I'll be doing some Tiggers and some Fishies. The Fishie dyed disc is the same as the Aurora stamp but bigger.
any way we can get some green bay packer dyes? you know since they are 2-0 :hello2:
I'd actually like to request 5 packers dyed discs (3 I've mentioned to you before Bruce), would have to talk to the other guy to see what if he has any preferences on the 2 that he wants.
I can do some packers. Pitner, if you gave me special requests, I'm not finding them in my e-mail...
didn't give you the specific discs yet, just the request to see if you would do Packers since Jon threatened to never talk to you again if you made packers dyed discs :)
Quote from: stpitner on September 22, 2007, 03:16:39 PM
didn't give you the specific discs yet, just the request to see if you would do Packers since Jon threatened to never talk to you again if you made packers dyed discs :)
Fortunately I've totally forgotten that if I ever heard him say that.
Quote from: stpitner on September 22, 2007, 03:16:39 PM
since Jon threatened to never talk to you again if you made packers dyed discs :)
Just because Jon is jealous that the Pack is looking good and the Bears don't look so hot is no reason to hate on us Packer fans.
I created this version of the Green Bay logo in Photoshop just by drawing elipses and straight lines. Assuming I dye it in green, is this what we're talking about? I know some teams have more than one logo.
Quote from: Top Banana on September 22, 2007, 09:07:55 PM
I created this version of the Green Bay logo in Photoshop just by drawing elipses and straight lines. Assuming I dye it in green, is this what we're talking about? I know some teams have more than one logo.
Et tu, Brute?
Quote from: Top Banana on September 22, 2007, 09:07:55 PM
I created this version of the Green Bay logo in Photoshop just by drawing elipses and straight lines. Assuming I dye it in green, is this what we're talking about? I know some teams have more than one logo.
that looks about right Bruce. Here's a link for reference:
http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=dcy03myfhffbki5d7il3 (http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=dcy03myfhffbki5d7il3)
simple green G with yellow surrounding it on the rest of the disc is what I'm looking for.
an alternate that some people might like, but a possibilitiy is here:
http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=565 (http://www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?lo=565)
Quote from: Jon Brakel on September 22, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: Top Banana on September 22, 2007, 09:07:55 PM
I created this version of the Green Bay logo in Photoshop just by drawing elipses and straight lines. Assuming I dye it in green, is this what we're talking about? I know some teams have more than one logo.
Et tu, Brute?
So will you raise Cain if he is Able to do the dye job?
I've done Green Bay logos before. The one I did well sold right away and the other languished. Maybe I can keep the Green Bay stuff in brown paper wrappers under the table or something.
The one you did well was recently lost at Bevier, if thats the same disc that I bought from you. White Orc dyed yellow?
Sounds right. One was an Orc and one was a Monster, I think.
Hey, I'm going to have a new Chainstar available for anyone who is sitting on a pile of brass. 400 Brass. If no player grabs it, I'll hang on to it for a bit. I can go part Brass part cash if you have a pile of Brass but not quite 400.
Does the club qualify for this deal?
I think Dustin Fee wants that Chainstar.
I'll take it
stupid question
im going to play on sat to have shot at ace pool
if i play open master trophey only and pre reg thru the mail
it will cost me 10 bucks plus the ace fund entry fee
and then i still get 15 brass cash so im ahead of the game by 2 bucks
just saw this " If you are playing in a pro division you do not get a player pack. "
modified
is that correct ?
Quote from: airspuds on September 27, 2007, 08:12:31 AM
just saw this " If you are playing in a pro division you do not get a player pack. "
is that correct ?
Yup, only Amateurs get players packs
Do any Saturday divisions get players packs? I normally play Recreational but I want to have a shot at the ACE pool. So I am going to play Saturday. What division should I register for? Is there a trophy only in advance? I guess what I am asking is how do I get the most out of my money when I know I am going to finish in the bottom half of the division and really only playing for the ACE fund?
Instead pre-reg trophy only for adv masters (or advanced) at $15, get the player pack, and get a shot at the ace.
that makes sense
every division has a trophy only option. every division except open has a player's pack.
Umm I believe only Ams get player packs, FPO, MPO, MPM, etc do not.
I talked to you about getting a basket at Aurora Bruce. I would gladly take the Chainstar if it's still available. I've been sitting on 300+ brass for over a year now trying to get a basket!
Thanks,
Dustin Fee
Quote from: krupicka on September 27, 2007, 10:17:13 AM
Umm I believe only Ams get player packs, FPO, MPO, MPM, etc do not.
Isn't that what I said?
Not quite. You only said open which does not include from Open Women, Pro Masters, etc.
Quote from: krupicka on September 27, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
Not quite. You only said open which does not include from Open Women, Pro Masters, etc.
lol, talk about taking things literally! Are you studying for the Bar Exam? ;D
I doubt that 'spuds would be playing Open Women unless he took the Emily Dickinson exception.... :evil5:
Is the island green to the practice basket going to be back in play this year? That hole was great!
Quote from: krupicka on September 27, 2007, 09:27:12 AM
Instead pre-reg trophy only for adv masters (or advanced) at $15, get the player pack, and get a shot at the ace.
If you are playing trophy-only on Saturday, Advanced is a better deal than Advanced Master. I don't know whether we'll do CTPs or FlightLife; that depends on the weather and whatever else influences Jon at the moment. But if we do CTPs, Advanced gets a lot more of them than Adv Masters. If we do FlightLife, in Advanced you are likely to be in a foursome of players playing on Saturday only for the ace pool and you'd have a reasonable shot at it. In Advanced Master you might be in a foursome that includes a 940 rated player and two 900 rated players, and maybe you got no shot at it.
well, then by your inference I also excluded advanced masters, and all women & juniors divisions.
Quote from: Mukey on September 27, 2007, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: krupicka on September 27, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
Not quite. You only said open which does not include from Open Women, Pro Masters, etc.
lol, talk about taking things literally! Are you studying for the Bar Exam? ;D
I doubt that 'spuds would be playing Open Women unless he took the Emily Dickinson exception.... :evil5:
Is the island green to the practice basket going to be back in play this year? That hole was great!
We haven't talked about yellow rope. If I have the green light for yellow rope, I'll plan on getting some rope out there. But I need to talk to Jon and Brett so they can do those cool course rules sheets they do and it will all be clear. I have a different idea for yellow rope this year. I want to do the Flying Saucer Prick hole. Is there anyone who, based on the name alone, would want to play the Flying Saucer Prick hole? >:D Only it won't be entirely like the prick hole because the o.b. area would not be a fetid cesspool of decomposing fecal matter but simply fresh green grass surrounded by yellow rope. So you won't lose your disc going for the I-can't-help-myself-deuce.
You've completely lost me, but maybe that's a good thing. I liked the island hole last year. It was fun w/o being a complete round killer if you missed it. I say bring on the yellow rope.
Bring on the yellow rope and leave the pricks at home...unless he's driving the van! :o ;D
Nobody's asked about the weather forecast yet.
The World Serious doesn't start until the Wednesday after IOS#6. So even if the Cubs make it - by losing every series to get there, apparently - hell won't have completely frozen over by the previous weekend.
Quote from: Top Banana on September 19, 2007, 07:44:32 PM
I tried that strategy at league tonight but it is not as easy as it sounds.
Hey, I'm making Bears discs for Round Lake. I'm doing some Innova. Right now I have three Champion Orc Bears and one Champion Monster Bear.
Becky, I'll be rinsing your Storm Bears tomorrow.
Bruce,
What is the weight of that Champion Monster Bear that you have?
I'll check.
[Going to the freezer music...]
Monster 172
Orcs 170, 170, 167
Damon,
It looks like that pipe dream of the World Series is gone.... ^-^
Oh well, at least you guys got the division...
Stenky
Quote from: Stenky on October 05, 2007, 09:12:20 AM
Damon,
It looks like that pipe dream of the World Series is gone.... ^-^
Stenky
I've really never held such delusions.
I just bought a cheap pocket radio so I can check up on Sunday's game during the Bloomington/Normal tournament. But I'm not taking it out of the box until after Saturday's game. :-\
I'm going to work on trophy discs for IOS # 6. The custom stamp is elegant. I think I'll do a few micro divisions in faith, but feel free to pre-reg.
Quote from: Top Banana on October 07, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
I'm going to work on trophy discs for IOS # 6. The custom stamp is elegant. I think I'll do a few micro divisions in faith, but feel free to pre-reg.
The trophies for IOS Overalls for 1st place Rec, Int, Adv and Open men are done-done-done!*
*note, add Krupicka to the "get even" list...oh, wait he's had Bruce stay over at his house, so WE still owe HIM! ;)
I didn't realize that we were having a fashion contest at Round Lake. Do we get bonus points for a straw hat with our overalls. :D
Wow, I now have 32 discs with glue on them and 22 discs with dye on them drying in the basement.
This is the deal with the Chainstar, even if this isn't the thread. I'm not sure on what thread we were talking about the Chainstar.
When Dustin asked for a Chainstar I told him I didn't expect to have one for the rest of the year because I didn't expect to have one for the rest of the year. Then when I did my combined IOS/Byron order it was a Chainstar sized order. But by then, I did not know who had last been asking for a Chainstar or first asking since I got my last one. I get lots of asks. Tracy was the only person I could remember, not because Dustin is not a memorable person, but because I have a brain injury that impairs my ability to remember new stuff. Tracy has cash for an unsponsored basket, so I put it out there on whatever thread seemed appropriate at the time and Krupicka called it first. So Krupicka gets the sponsored Chainstar for 400 Brass or a Brass/Cash combination to be negotiated. That 400 Brass goes right back into the process as 80 Throw Discraft player packs, so that works for everyone, except Dustin.
I have an unsponsored Chainstar too. I bought it for the Byron basket raffle, but I'll have 18 Chainstars at Byron, so technically, I don't need one of my own. If I return 17, I pay for the one I lost. The Byron basket is 650 Brass because there is no wholesale deal on baskets. No one has ever wanted a 650 Brass basket, but Dustin can have first right of refusal. You can buy down the Brass price on a basket by substituting dollars 1 dollar for 2 Brass. If Dustin doesn't want it and someone with a hoard of Brass does, I'll bring it and get another for Byron.
I wish I could get more 400 Brass baskets for the process, but that is just a function of how much Discraft we move. We move more Discraft than any TD I talk to, even more than the Michigan TDs, but rarely enough to get more than one or two baskets a year.
Brett/Jon,
Any ideas on out-of-bounds yet? Same as last year (i. e. Island hole surrounding practice basket and swamp for holes 12 and 18....I think that was it for last year)?
Quote from: DougEDawg on October 11, 2007, 09:41:45 AM
Brett/Jon,
Any ideas on out-of-bounds yet? Same as last year (i. e. Island hole surrounding practice basket and swamp for holes 12 and 18....I think that was it for last year)?
Most of this depends on Bruce. Bruce is quite ill right now and hopes to be able to make it to the tourney. He has the rope and will probably buy more if he recovers in time to be there.
I'm taking my anti-biotics and getting better day by day. You don't want to know the gory details of what I've got, but I'm not contagious. I'm certain I'll be there for the tournament with yellow rope. If I relapse and have to be hospitalized, Diana will bring the merch, trophies and Brass, so no worries.
This is what I want to do with yellow rope, but I'm not sure of the hole numbers:
Hole Probably 5: The short hole with no obstacles there in the cow pasture part of the course. Make an island hole with a big landing zone and the basket on a smaller peninsula. We've done that before. I'd like to make it more USDGC Tin Cuppy, though. The tee pad is the drop zone and the drop zone is the only option until you land something on the island. No retrieving any o.b. discs unless you are out of discs. Once you successfully drive the island, any subsequent o.b. is played from the point last in bounds.
This is funny: That is the rule for White Acres island hole. I once threw four drives in a row out of bounds, playing best shot doubles, so my partner did the same. Then I landed a drive in the basket throwing some rarely used mid-range, probably my Wasp. I yell Ace! My opponent says, No that's a nine I think.
Hole to the Practice Basket by the Parking Lot. The yellow rope defines a big o.b.U-shaped pond. The basket is right there in the center of the U. O.b. drives will have a mandatory drop zone at the base of the U. O.b. other shots will play where last in bounds.
18 and the parallel hole: All that will be o.b. is the tall grass there that is usually swampy. We won't run the line separating the two fairways. There will be a drop zone for each hole that allows both drop zones to be played simultaneously without conflict. The main point of that o.b. is simply to discourage the tactic of pumping your drive out there in the tall grass and then hoping no one is going to call you on time. That just creates big back ups and encourages cheating. The line between the two holes is interesting and fun, but not so necessary that I want to buy another spool or two of rope.
There will also be OB on hole #14A. The left side of the fairway will have maked OB where the empty creek is.
so the tall grass between hole 12 and 18 is out of bounds?
i don't think i've ever played hole 18 without going into the tall stuff...sounds like fun!
Quote from: SERG on October 15, 2007, 02:42:32 PM
so the tall grass between hole 12 and 18 is out of bounds?
i don't think i've ever played hole 18 without going into the tall stuff...sounds like fun!
no, Bruce is saying the swamp area is OB. not all of the tall grass. the swamp is the area you must shoot over the top of on hole 12. on hole 18 it is easily avoidable.
Bruce makes a line of rope between 12 and 18. If you cross into the other fairway, as deemed by the rope, you are OB.
I don't think I'm doing the line between the fairways. Just the line around the swamp.
do you still save 5 bucks if you pre reg or no? just wondering cuz of the 3.00 surcharge to register online which i would just rather reg in person and pay the extra 2 bucks.
you can mail in payment - so you reduce the extra cost to 41 cents for a stamp instead of $3 online surcharge. That's the cheapest route for pre-reg.
Quote from: stpitner on October 16, 2007, 02:32:47 PM
you can mail in payment - so you reduce the extra cost to 41 cents for a stamp instead of $3 online surcharge. That's the cheapest route for pre-reg.
Actually paying in person is even less expensive. If you play a league that Brett plays you can just pay him in person. If you play the sunday league in Waukegan you can pay Mirth. If you're playing on Sunday you can come out to the course on Saturday and pre-reg in person. You can always pre-reg for the next event at the previous event. You can't pre-reg for 2008 IOS #1 at 2007 IOS #6 because we haven't discussed entry fees for next year yet. But other than that you have lots of options.
If I am playing Trophy only on Saturday is there an extra fee if I want to pay on Saturday? Or is it just $18? And from what I get from the previous post that I can pre-register for Sunday on Saturday. Right?
If you want to upgrade from TO to full entry on Sat then you have to pay the difference between the two fees. IDK about prereg discount for Sunday when paying on Saturday.
Quote from: mirth on October 17, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
If you want to upgrade from TO to full entry on Sat then you have to pay the difference between the two fees. IDK about prereg discount for Sunday when paying on Saturday.
Yep, we give you the discount if you pre-reg on Saturday to play on Sunday.
see u on sunday
I'm not too familiar with this course. Does it dry up nicely after a storm? I know that there is a monstrous swamp in the middle of the course... Whatever it may be, I'm still suiting up, whether or not it's with a wet suit -_-
Because of the swamp in the middle it does dry up nicely after storms. All the water drains into the swamp or the creek.
I was at Fairfield last night. The course was pretty dry for the most part. The swamp has quite a bit of water and the creek is half full. After last night & the rain today the swamp is going to be nice & full for this weekend.
Dustin, bring your bag of brass. I have another 400 brass Chainstar now, one for Krupicka and one for you.
I'll let Dustin know.
Thanks. Tell him it is 450, not 400.
What if I pre-reg and then can't make the tourney?
It's spelled out on brasscash.com
1st round results are up. http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6615&year=2007&includeRatings=1#Open
Final results are up. http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6615&year=2007&includeRatings=1#Open
grats brett!
Another Illionis Open Series in the books. It was another awesome year, congrats to all the Series champs!
Every year this series seems to get better and more efficiently run. Thanks to Jon and Bruce for making those trophies for playing 24 out of 24 IOS events. Its been alot of fun which is obvioulsy why so many people keep coming back out time and time again. The IOS has introduced competitive disc golf to hundreds of players who would never have been exposed to it otherwise. Hopefully 2008 will be huge for the IOS! I'm pretty sure I'll be there :)
aces ?
southsiders are on the way
kev c if your lurking ill be there in 5 minutes
Quote from: airspuds on October 20, 2007, 07:56:01 PM
aces ?
Joe Weitzel 14A
John Jordan 13
Justin Machado 14A
I heard several, sometimes vehement, complaints about the 11A o.b. but I, for one, enjoyed the hole. I thought the concept fun and the implementation well done. It was short enough to entice lots of players to take the risk, but long enough to make it quite difficult for most. Re-teeing added to both the risk and the fun. Most of the complaints I heard were from people who would re-tee several times and never consider laying up. Sorry, but using your head should be part of the game too.
I would have liked to have seen the o.b. on 14A marked a little more clearly so it could be seen from the tee, particularly where it wrapped around behind the basket.
As always, nicely done guys and gals. Thanks!
I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.
Quote from: krupicka on October 21, 2007, 06:46:29 PM
I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.
It'd make for reaaallly long rounds though. ;)
Quote from: krupicka on October 21, 2007, 06:46:29 PM
I liked the OB. Using your head is good. I think it would be really interesting to make all the tall grass at Fairfield OB. I'm sure there are a lot that would complain, but it would force people to think about their shot and how much risk they would be willing to take for the distance.
Intriguing idea, but I'm not really sure how that would fly (no pun intended) *especially on windy days like today. I throw a disc expecting it to do one thing (even accounting for wind) but then it goes and does something completely opposite.
and thank you thank you thank you Diana for rescuing my disc because that was my primary go-to driver, and I was having a bad enough of a day - I wasn't sure what I was going to do for the rest of the round!
first off - a big thx to everyone who ran all the events all year - enjoy the time off and get the batteries recharged
for next year
i liked the island hole - landed on ob line both times- whew- got one duece out of two
again
its risk vs reward - kinda of like ball golf
i think in disc golf _ on most courses in our area - there isnt the concept of course management
its grip it and rip it - if its a bad shot you most likely get a par or bogie- depending on your up
there isnt a thought of "hey i got to play my drive here so i have a look at my next shot which leads to the next shot which allows me to putt
the wind was managable
i was happy with an 8 over on the first round as the leader was +1
with the ob i thought there was a shot at moving up
but i let the ob on 12 get into my head after duecing 11a and struggled thru
the holes i know i could have done better
after 18 i set a goal of par for 1 thru 6 which i acheived
4 pars 1 duece and 1 bogie ( my up shot skipped down the hard ground and down the hill on hole 6)
i par'd hole 1 while the group struggled with the wind
i could see roping off the long grass in the summer but not in the fall as the wind was a major factor
again thx to all parites involved running the events
I am hoping to have scores up tonight. Maddisen put in all the names after the rounds were complete but she didn't get to scores before dinner was done. We never got to do it during the second round because Bruce and Brett were taking care of an administrative problem and I thought my services were better spent "flagging" on hole 11a. Then during the last half hour of play we had the annual IOS Fall Summit right there at hole 11a where we decided stuff for next year.
Game on for 2008!
Is someone going to publish the summit notes?
I absolutely love when Bruce brings out the rope. I live 2 miles from Fairfield and play it less than any area course. I get bored with half the holes out there. The rope adds some pucker factor.
11a was a good hole. You are rewarded for making a good shot or a few average shots. I played it deep and right both rounds for a 2,3. I saw a Rec player who didn't have the arm to make it to the basket and threw just short of the ropes both times. He pitched up and hit his putt both rounds for a 3,3. I would like to see the average for the weekend.
The rope on the swamp is great. It speeds up play from people looking and playing outta the swamp. You have to decide if you can make it or not.
I laid the rope on 14a. I'll make sure it gets marked with flags next year. I left the rope out and hoping it's used all year. Talk about some serious pucker factor on a hole under 200 feet. How often do you get those feelings that you had on 14a on other holes under 200 feet in the area?
personally i thought that 11A was a good hole because most of the pro/adv players would go for it and there was a clear "landing zone" to lnad the disc on. I thought it was kind of a Winthrop #17 situation.
on 14A i didnt understand why the OB was so close behind the basket and to the left side, I just thought that too many ppl were just bailing out, turning over a beat disc and laying up for three, i think the hole could be improved if say it was a complete "island" were you actually had to make the shot to stay inbounds, i did however like the risky drop zone, i missed my jump put from right next to the zone for two, went OB, then made the jump from the zone for a four
just some ideas.... i do like watching people throw OB >:D
So did Bruce get arrested?
I was wondering if it was possible to make the long grass and swamp on the right side of hole 10 OB. I saw many golfers wading in the water and coming out empty handed. Not to mention, so many people were confused about how to play casual water/lost disc on that hole. Two years ago, the swamp was also filled with water, and I was up to my knees in gunk. It was my lucky day, however. I found my disc, and I had a sighting of Yoda.
Quote from: Schwinn2 on October 22, 2007, 11:12:28 AM
So did Bruce get arrested?
I was wondering if it was possible to make the long grass and swamp on the right side of hole 10 OB. I saw many golfers wading in the water and coming out empty handed. Not to mention, so many people were confused about how to play casual water/lost disc on that hole. Two years ago, the swamp was also filled with water, and I was up to my knees in gunk. It was my lucky day, however. I found my disc, and I had a sighting of Yoda.
We should make that o.b. on 10. I would like to make that o.b. and bring back the island hole on hole 5. After I took a 7 on 11a and Jon wet his pants laughing, I think 11a will be a permanent fixture. 11a was just too much fun for the tournament staff not to set it up every time now. And, any good player who wants to take a three can take a three. It is not a hard 3.
I too thought 14a was too much risk and not enough reward. I played a safe drive there every time and got a three. Maybe for pros it was more tempting.
I wonder if hole 10 should have a mando and cut out the local route over the top.
On Int and Rec day the rope overkill is just wrong. ESPECIALLY with wind like that. The swamp i understand being OB but the other OB marks were rediculous. Anytime a whole is taking some players double digit strokes to get through the whole that is that short there is a design flaw. Pro/Adv should have no problem handling that course marked up like that and I think that many of the IOS courses should have that more regularly implemented on Pro/Adv day. But Int/Rec are your average and inconsisent players who are working on their game. Having to play that kind of layout is discouraging. I had forgotten why I boycott this particular event but now I remember.
Quote from: smyith on October 22, 2007, 12:54:28 PM
On Int and Rec day the rope overkill is just wrong. ESPECIALLY with wind like that. The swamp i understand being OB but the other OB marks were rediculous. Anytime a whole is taking some players double digit strokes to get through the whole that is that short there is a design flaw. Pro/Adv should have no problem handling that course marked up like that and I think that many of the IOS courses should have that more regularly implemented on Pro/Adv day. But Int/Rec are your average and inconsisent players who are working on their game. Having to play that kind of layout is discouraging. I had forgotten why I boycott this particular event but now I remember.
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ok, the only double digit score I heard about was because a player tried 6 times to throw his disc past the OB on 11A and failed 5 out of the 6 times. Perhaps they didn't understand that you could throw it short and then lay up from there. With the wind and all it was tough to hear Jon yelling out to them after he had to keep holding up the red disc to "lay up!" (I was walking from 18 to 1 at the time this was happening), but that hole is an entirely easy 3. It just so happened that he walked away with a 14.
Adam,
Unfortunately Lake County doesn't offer what disc golf is around the country. What would you have done if there was standing water to the left on 14A or in front of the basket on 11A? I could go down the list of holes i've played at tournaments that offer similar situations.
As for design flaw. I watched players attempt to throw drives on 11A all day yesterday. Players knew the wind conditions. It was very easy to tell it was a 20+mph wind blowing right to left. The players throwing multiple drives into the OB knew the risk they were taking when attempting the shot. To me taking multiple drives is jut like the situation in Tin Cup. That is poor decision making. Not skill level.
11a was great hole. I was out there warming up Friday trying to figure out which disc would land in the short grass safely (last year it was an island hole). Teebird occasionally, Surge definitely, Buzzz no way. Then I found out Sunday that were I was landing was going to be OB. No brainer. Throw the Buzzz as I knew I would not make it out of the tall grass and layup for the easy three. (Except my layups were short leaving me with a long putt but anywho). If you are inconsistent or are not used to the wind, then you shouldn't have been gunning for the pin. That really is a no brainer. Good thing this isn't the PDGA board, or I'd get banned for that comment.
Quote from: krupicka on October 22, 2007, 12:29:40 PM
I wonder if hole 10 should have a mando and cut out the local route over the top.
I'm actually hoping a few of those dead trees to the right fall and open the gap a bit tempting more throws. I heard several players talk about throwing that way but never witnessed any. I was hoping to do so for the awwww factor :o .Any mistake throwing that route leads to a lost disc and retee. Putting thru the gap and taking a 2 would be sick to see.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 22, 2007, 01:59:11 PM
I'm actually hoping a few of those dead trees to the right fall and open the gap a bit tempting more throws. I heard several players talk about throwing that way but never witnessed any. I was hoping to do so for the awwww factor :o .Any mistake throwing that route leads to a lost disc and retee. Putting thru the gap and taking a 2 would be sick to see.
Jamie Blough went hyzer with a Destroyer and it was awesome to watch (I was on hole 11). He landed about 15 feet from the pin and nearly 1/3 of his disc was stuck into the ground. Don't ask him about his putt.
If I remember correctly, only holes 11A, 12/18 and 14A had OB. The OB on 12/18 seems self explanatory: speed of play. As stated by many I don't think any of the OB was fair/unfair toward one group of players over another. I believe I watched some Advanced players throw at least 3 times into 11A.
My only problem/concern/comment is with 14A. I was told that the drop zone was used any time your disc went OB; is this correct? I would think that the drop zone should only be used if your drive goes OB. If I stay in bounds and am 15 feet from the basket I have a good chance of going OB again if I overthrow the basket. If I do go OB why do I have to go to a drop zone? If someone went over the basket to the backside OB they were penalized by having to go to the drop zone instead of playing where the disc went OB. It didn't happen to me but it's just a question. By the way, I thought that hold had the worst pucker factor. I liked it ;D
I saw Guther take the local route on 10 (we were waiting for his group to tee/play that hole as we'd finished 9). I don't recall how close he was to the pin but IIRC he did take a 2. It made me want to consider that route.....
11a made my day
like Jon said " hey nice 2 on a hole where people were taken 11's"
also the ob factor should keep you within reach of the leaders
i knew i was 7 back of the leader
usually that means ur out of luck buster
but with the wind and the ob that everyone had to play
there was a chance (slim but a chance never the less) to get back some strokes
quickly
i still dont know what i was thinking on 10 as it was our second hole in the first round
when i drove first but now i know how to play it
14a was all OB went to the drop zone. Made you think about running the putt. If it was just last in bounds, you'd take one stroke for going OB and tap in. Going back to the drop zone made you think again about running for it. I know some of the decisions were last minute, but a course routing sheet would have been really helpful.
Quote from: SERG on October 22, 2007, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 22, 2007, 01:59:11 PM
I'm actually hoping a few of those dead trees to the right fall and open the gap a bit tempting more throws. I heard several players talk about throwing that way but never witnessed any. I was hoping to do so for the awwww factor :o .Any mistake throwing that route leads to a lost disc and retee. Putting thru the gap and taking a 2 would be sick to see.
Jamie Blough went hyzer with a Destroyer and it was awesome to watch (I was on hole 11). He landed about 15 feet from the pin and nearly 1/3 of his disc was stuck into the ground. Don't ask him about his putt.
If I remember correctly, only holes 11A, 12/18 and 14A had OB. The OB on 12/18 seems self explanatory: speed of play. As stated by many I don't think any of the OB was fair/unfair toward one group of players over another. I believe I watched some Advanced players throw at least 3 times into 11A.
My only problem/concern/comment is with 14A. I was told that the drop zone was used any time your disc went OB; is this correct? I would think that the drop zone should only be used if your drive goes OB. If I stay in bounds and am 15 feet from the basket I have a good chance of going OB again if I overthrow the basket. If I do go OB why do I have to go to a drop zone? If someone went over the basket to the backside OB they were penalized by having to go to the drop zone instead of playing where the disc went OB. It didn't happen to me but it's just a question. By the way, I thought that hold had the worst pucker factor. I liked it ;D
I really wish I could have seen that shot by Jamie!
You are correct on 14a. Any shot landing in the OB area went to the drop zone. Here was my thinking. I wanted to give pucker factor on drives, upshots, & putts.
1. You could play it safe. Pitch it up. Take a 3.
2. You could get aggressive and try for the 2. I added the drop zone to keep players from gunning at the basket and taking an easy circle 3.
3. The drop zone for all shots was added for scenarios like this.
A. Player plays it safe but now has a 20 to 50 footer for 2. Now there is some pucker factor on the putt. This player knows if he misses and goes OB he/she will have to hit another long putt rather than drop in. They are looking at a 2, 3, 4 or 5+ depending on that putt.
B. Player throws drive ob and goes to the drop zone. This player now has a shot at a circle 3. He jump putts or runs a long one OB. This takes an easy 4 out of the picture. That player has a decision to make.
4. Player throws and ace run. He/She drills it and goes crazy!
I play this course all the time. 14A is the shortest and one of the easiest holes on the course. The OB made one of the shortest and most innocent holes turn into the most stressful. Had the OB been back 5 to 10 more feet and the drop zone played differently that pucker factor changes greatly. The scoring range was crazy on that hole. This is exacly what I was looking for.
I played with one of the best putters i've played with all year.round 2. We have been on the same card a handful of times this year. He bangs putts inside the circle like they are nothing. After his drive he was 15 feet from the basket on 14a. That is a gimme for him. He air balled it into the OB. He had just 2'd 12, 13, & 14. 5'd 14a.
I dont know who to tell, but i was looking at the scores on PDGA.com and noticed my second round score was wrong, I shot a 54 that second round not a 57. just letting you guys know, thanks
Todd
Quote from: smyith on October 22, 2007, 12:54:28 PM
On Int and Rec day the rope overkill is just wrong. ESPECIALLY with wind like that. The swamp i understand being OB but the other OB marks were rediculous. Anytime a whole is taking some players double digit strokes to get through the whole that is that short there is a design flaw. Pro/Adv should have no problem handling that course marked up like that and I think that many of the IOS courses should have that more regularly implemented on Pro/Adv day. But Int/Rec are your average and inconsisent players who are working on their game. Having to play that kind of layout is discouraging. I had forgotten why I boycott this particular event but now I remember.
Lay
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http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6616&year=2007&includeRatings=1#Intermediate
Scores are up for Sunday. Becky did the input today. Thanks Becky!!! :love5:
Will check on Todd's score from Saturday.
anyone who can duece the local route on hole 10 deserves his two, that is a huge bomb over the top, a mando would take away all the risk/reward
Really enjoyed playing at the IOS 6.... great touney. Thanks to all involved in setting it up. Bruce, Jon, Brett, and anybody else involved in helping. Couldn't ask for better weather in the third week of October (minus the wind).
I really liked the holes that had OB involved. I had a plan on 11A to attempt to go for it, and if i was OB play my next shots as a layup, up, putt. I was okay with a 5, but i would not want anything more than that. Lucky both rounds i had no problem getting the green light.
Hole 12 was a no-brainer for me personally, two rounds of a Buzzz layup... and 14A was another conservitive hole, playing two safe drives staying on the right of the "fairway"..
I would have loved to watch somebody shoot the local route on hole 10 but the risk reward for me was just a lost disc, so once again.... played it safe...
I never had any intention of going for it on 11A but still found different ways to screw it up. Good hole though.
I understand and agree with everything behind the redesign of 14A. My only suggestion would be some red flags along the OB line so it's clearer from the tee. I wasn't anywhere near the basket area on either round so personally it didn't matter, although it did make me wimp out on a long putt the 2nd round... ::) (knowing that my putting has been in the commode for the last month may have had something to do with that too.)
I did not miss the yellow rope that had been on #2 and #5 in previous years, although it only would've been an issue for me in one instance. (Actually, if it had been set up on #2 I would've laid up; as it was, I had 15-ft uphill birdie putts into the wind both rounds and even made one of them.)
Probably just having it on a couple of holes is plenty though, esp. for the lower day - although there won't exactly be a 'lower' day next year, but that's another topic. ;)
I hadn't played Fairfield since IOS last year - after which I decided I didn't care if I ever played the course again - and had no plans to play until Sat night since the weather was so great, if windy. Glad I did. Thanks again to the whole crew for another smooth and generous operation. I had no business 'cashing' but I'll take it. ;D
Playing holes with risk/reward will tend to help players that are willing to think about disc golf become better players. Forget the attitude that "it's not fair" and figure out how to take advantage of the situation. Play to your advantage on those types of holes. Lay up to save yourself a few strokes or jack your disc past the basket to achieve the same result. Whatever works best for your game. Winding up at every tee and chucking it at a basket on every tee is not going to teach you to play tougher courses. Making holes tougher for tournaments is a time honored tradition that helps separate players with different skills.
Well to answer the person who was wondering if i took a two on hole 10 the answer was unfortunately not (btw this is Guther) Reason being my drive was pin high 20 left of the basket. Good enough for CTP but with the wind NOT good enough for me to attempt a putt. Anytime i was outside 20 I made sure my disc stayed as close to the basket as was possible, deffinately was not in the mood for a 6 or 7 on any hole besides 18. As far as the OB I was pretty happy with the OB this year. I was upset last year when they had the ropes out for 12 and 18 on the edges of the fairway. Had a good drive taken away from me last year on 18. 11A was a fantastic hole in my opinion deffinately gave the open holes some variety. Im indifferent on 14A i liked the challenge of having to plan around a drive going ob and was kinda for and against the no matter when you go OB go to the drop zone. After reading the post about it tho it made alot more sense as to why they made it the way they did.
Jon- Are you going to have all the paperwork in by 10/30/07 to make Fairfield official for the next update? Sounds like it was a family effort to get the scores posted. Great teamwork yall.
Quote from: krupicka on October 23, 2007, 07:31:30 AM
Jon- Are you going to have all the paperwork in by 10/30/07 to make Fairfield official for the next update? Sounds like it was a family effort to get the scores posted. Great teamwork yall.
Most definitely!
Anyone else find it humerous that the hyzer route on ten is being referred to as "the local route" when not a single local that I know of takes it? Al, Neal, and Chris Jordan are the biggest arms out there and none of them throw that route unless they're feeling cheeky. BTW, about 75% of the time I play Fairfield (which is 3-7 times per week) I play long grass is OB on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 11a, 12, 13, and 18. Anyone who says this course can't be tough should play it that way for a change, talk about some humiliating scores!!!
I wasn't really paying attention.... are the baskets for 11a and 14a permanent now? I hadn't been up there for a year.
Yes for both. 11a is the practice basket.
Quote from: krupicka on October 23, 2007, 07:31:30 AM
Jon- Are you going to have all the paperwork in by 10/30/07 to make Fairfield official for the next update? Sounds like it was a family effort to get the scores posted. Great teamwork yall.
TD reports are in!
Quote from: Todd. Fanning on October 22, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
I dont know who to tell, but i was looking at the scores on PDGA.com and noticed my second round score was wrong, I shot a 54 that second round not a 57. just letting you guys know, thanks
Todd
Jon, were you ablet o check todd's score before the submission?
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 29, 2007, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Todd. Fanning on October 22, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
I dont know who to tell, but i was looking at the scores on PDGA.com and noticed my second round score was wrong, I shot a 54 that second round not a 57. just letting you guys know, thanks
Todd
Jon, were you ablet o check todd's score before the submission?
We fixed a different scoring error last night before submission. I don't think I looked at that one. I'll look tonight as soon as I get home. I should be able to resubmit without delay.
Quote from: discmonkey on October 23, 2007, 10:23:55 PM
Anyone else find it humerous that the hyzer route on ten is being referred to as "the local route" when not a single local that I know of takes it? Al, Neal, and Chris Jordan are the biggest arms out there and none of them throw that route unless they're feeling cheeky. BTW, about 75% of the time I play Fairfield (which is 3-7 times per week) I play long grass is OB on 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11, 11a, 12, 13, and 18. Anyone who says this course can't be tough should play it that way for a change, talk about some humiliating scores!!!
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im insulted
Here you go rope whiners!
http://www.discgolftv.com/dgtv/369/mov/newest?channel_id=0&page=1
The Region 7 Championships was held in the Red River valley this year, with holes on the Minnesota side, the North Dakota side and *across* the Red River. Hole 21 was particularly tricky...only a couple hundred feet long, but an island green, with little room for error if you go for a duece. To be fair, there was a large bail-out area on the right side, which made the hole a relatively easy par three...but few opted for the bail-out.
You don't get many spotters better than that.
i had no problem landing my disc on ob lines both rounds
if i can do it then the people who didnt ought to ask their women for their _______ before they come out to play
again how far was that hole
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 30, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 29, 2007, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Todd. Fanning on October 22, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
I dont know who to tell, but i was looking at the scores on PDGA.com and noticed my second round score was wrong, I shot a 54 that second round not a 57. just letting you guys know, thanks
Todd
Jon, were you ablet o check todd's score before the submission?
We fixed a different scoring error last night before submission. I don't think I looked at that one. I'll look tonight as soon as I get home. I should be able to resubmit without delay.
Fixed and resubmitted. Sorry about that.
going over the top of the trees on hole 10 is not the local route. The only time you will see that happen is if there is a huge tail right to left. otherwise it is a forsure round ruiner. Other than that put more rope out there, that course is a jokasta. I don't play it cause its open, but then again I live in CO now so that course seems like Leo Lathers to me now.
I called it a local route. It doesn't mean that many locals use it. I used the term more to mean a short cut route that is not as the designer intended and that you wouldn't try in a tourney unless you've done it before. Another example of a hole like this is #17(?) at Channahon. I would call the spike hyzer over the top on that hole the local route. My guess is that there aren't many that take that route either.
Quote from: UMphreak on October 31, 2007, 09:13:35 AM
...if there is a huge tail [wind] right to left...
I know what you mean but that made me laugh. Where I'm from we call a right to left wind a
side wind! ;D
or a crosswind :) They use that term all the time in baseball.