I lost my monster at Bradley park duringthe doubles, tourney last weekend and need to replace it. I was wondering what people thought about the differences between the star and champ monster and which one would be better. I use the monster for headwinds and fairly sharp hyzer shots. Also would I be better off getting a max or is that a completely different disc for what I want? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
glad im not the only one..
I lost X-Avenger, D-Cyclone, and Z-Crush at bradley during doubles as well.
As a former monster user, I would suggest trying the flick.
I have never tried the Max.
I live by my monster as well and have a few recommedations for you. The flick is a pretty good substitute as well as Discraft's Z Talon. There is also the Speed Demon form Gateway, it is great for skip shots!
As for the different plastics from Innova, the star Monster is a slightly less stable version of the Champ, so that will be a preference issue for you. I, myself, have gone with the pro line monster. I have found it holds it's line longer than the champ without sacrificing any of the hard hook at the end. Good luck finding one. I have been trying to pick a couple more up, but they are becoming increasingly harder to find.
I am not informed on the Max, I have not thrown one yet, but my personal opinion is that if it is a star plastic, I am probably not going to like it. I have always found the star plastic to be slightly less stable than the champ plstic in the heavier weights.
i lost my monster in the bevier pond. afterwards i found that throwing a brick seemed to work just as well....
Quote from: Dan Michler on February 22, 2007, 08:29:37 AM
i lost my monster in the bevier pond....
I can't remember. Was that a song from one of the Annette Funicello beach movies or the title in the back room of the video store? Can't recall. >:D
I read that Innova currently is not producing anything in the type of Pro Line they used to make drivers in. Currently, there are no plans to produce any drivers in that kind of plastic. What I have left, I'm not marking up. When it's gone, it's gone.
I used to use a Monster in the wind, but found 2 others that worked better for me. Either a Z or X Predator will eat the wind up and always fade. Same with the E Spirit in my bag now.
The Tsunami is another good headwind disc. It is the headwind disc in my bag.
On the Pro Line thing, I'm pretty sure I saw Dave Dunnipace post on the Ask Dave thread at PDGA.com that unless they found a new source for the Pro Line plastic they made drivers out of, they wouldn't be making them anymore. I don't have any Pro Line Monsters. But if you like the Pro Line feel, buy it up.
If you like the feel of the monster, then stay with a champ monster or try a star max. The max is just as overstable, if not more, and will be a bit longer for you as well. The other discs mentioned are suitable replacements but will definitely feel different in your hand.
If I'm not mistaken the Star Monsters are Monster-Ls, thus they are going to be less stable then what you are used to.
This is what I saw on the Ask Dave thread:
QuoteQuoteDave, will you ever do a run of anything besides wraiths and starfires in Pro plastic again? This is my favorite plastic and some of the molds I throw are getting harder and harder to come by.
No, not unless we can find a new source of plastic.
I'd say stay with the Champ monster if that is what u are used to.. I love mine for finesse anhyser shots that I need to be stable at the end.. don't listen to Michler, comparing it to a brick is like saying Hendrix plays a mean saxaphone.. I think we should throw him in the pond... you know with some bricks..
Quote from: bruce_brakel on February 22, 2007, 01:34:27 PM
The Tsunami is another good headwind disc. It is the headwind disc in my bag.
On the Pro Line thing, I'm pretty sure I saw Dave Dunnipace post on the Ask Dave thread at PDGA.com that unless they found a new source for the Pro Line plastic they made drivers out of, they wouldn't be making them anymore. I don't have any Pro Line Monsters. But if you like the Pro Line feel, buy it up.
I'm pretty sure when "Pro Line" was mentioned earlier in this thread they meant the old champion-type plastic that said pro-line on it. Its basically the later-run CE stuff. I dont know that they ever made the monster in the newer pro plastic that the wraith and starfire were originally released in.
http://cgi.ebay.com/FIRST-RUN-CE-PRO-LINE-MONSTER-GOLF-DISC-NEW-OOP_W0QQitemZ320080145752QQihZ011QQcategoryZ79804QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Quote from: shawn on February 22, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
I'd say stay with the Champ monster if that is what u are used to.. I love mine for finesse anhyser shots that I need to be stable at the end.. don't listen to Michler, comparing it to a brick is like saying Hendrix plays a mean saxaphone.. I think we should throw him in the pond... you know with some bricks..
alright they might be better than bricks for some people :) actually i have a champ monster in my bag because they are awesome for thumbers.
Quote from: Mike S on February 22, 2007, 04:42:06 PM
I'm pretty sure when "Pro Line" was mentioned earlier in this thread they meant the old champion-type plastic that said pro-line on it. Its basically the later-run CE stuff. I dont know that they ever made the monster in the newer pro plastic that the wraith and starfire were originally released in.
That's correct. They never did make it in the new plastic. The Pro Line Monsters are in that old "later-run CE" type plastic. The price is about right for that one on ebay. I've paid $50 for one, and $30 for another.
On a DVD made for the Fox Valley Metro Disc Golf Club, there is included a clip of an instrumental song I wrote called "175 Monster." So obviously I'm a big fan of the disc. If you have a creative game (work with the dynamics of your discs; not just see how straight they go), the Pro Line Monster is worth the extra money. It reacts differently than the Champion Monster. If you play a more straight forward game, it won't matter much. The difference is subtle.
I definitely don't use my monster for long distances. like I said I use it mostly for sharp hyzers or skips, and only when the wind is so bad that one of my orcs can't fly straight.
They should call it Pro Stripe. There are so many lines of plastic called Pro Line, it is a little wider than a line! :D