ANY INFO ON THIS COURSE
I got a call about this course in January. Not sure if it's going in or not. Not sure where it will be.
This is from http://dnr.state.il.us/pubaffairs/2006/October/OSLAD_North.html (http://dnr.state.il.us/pubaffairs/2006/October/OSLAD_North.html)
(D) ANTIOCH TOWNSHIP (Lake County) $400,000, to develop 27 acres at the Tim Osmond Sports Complex on Depot Street in Antioch. Phase I development consists of two football fields, one softball/baseball field, an 18-hole disc golf course, a playground, shelter, and a parking area.
I think the park is located here http://preview.tinyurl.com/2jgd6c (http://preview.tinyurl.com/2jgd6c)
Smells like the same Developer who took Grayslakes Money.
It's going to be some time until the course goes into the ground.Yes, there is going to be a course there. I called the township and the parks & recreation and they provided me with minor details. They ended up giving me a name of someone I had spoken to in the past. The park is in the intial phase. Earth movement will be taking place in the next few months. This guy is going to call me when they have the exact area that may be used for disc golf. It will be a multi use area with some other ball fields. I'm hoing to give some input into the design and he said he'd call when the disc golf area was identified.
Sounds like it will be a tight 18 holer. Don't you need about 30 acres to develop a decent 18 holes? It sounds like there will be about 20 acres available for the course.
I visited this site today and have exchanged some e-mails with the developer. I am going to assist with the design. They are a long way from being done as earth moving is still taking place. The plan is to meet in late August or early September. The front part of the park has some really nice land but the rest of the area is completely flat & open. I'm not sure what the plans are and will know more in the future.
Sounds good to me ;D
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/antioch/news/893860,an-INTosmprk-041408-s1.article
Sounds like the park is finally open (although not done). Anyone know if the disc golf course is up? They said it's in the first phase of the park construction.
I called the parks department today and they said it is not in the ground. They are working on it and it should be ready some time next month. Jason
Awesome! I can't wait. Thanks.
This has been discussed in the club members only section for a while. If you want to read more and are club member that does not have access PM Mirth to gain access.
To make a long story short Tom S. & I did the best we could the day we visited with the developer. He wanted to pound stakes immediately with no thought involved. On the fly we did our best to come up with some decent holes. After that day I spent the night thinking about the course and came up with a design. Tom M. & I went out there and marked the course.
Attached is a map that I proposed to the developer. I'm hoping he changed the design and used this.
I'll have to try again at home tonight. It did not work from school.
Where is this club members only section? I joined the club at the club challenge. Jason
Quote from: jsun3thousand on April 23, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
Where is this club members only section? I joined the club at the club challenge. Jason
Send Mirth a PM. He will grant your account access.
jason - you're good now.
Here is that map.
Doesn't look too bad given what you had to work with. I'm only concerned with holes 16 and 17 running along side the road. Are the trees thick enough to catch any discs that decide to grow a pair of wings and fly away?
There is a thick wall of trees down the road.
This course would immediately be better than anything in Lake County. That's not saying much though. I am keeping my fingers crossed though. I have no idea what the final layout is.
Holes 3, 4, & 11would be true par 4's.
The landfill adds some nice elevation. Holes 7 thru 11 would be much tougher than they look. Hole 7 would be a nice uphill shot and very tough to reach for average power arms. #8 is a long downhill bomb as well as #11.
Holes 12 thru 17 would be a nice technical section that has some nice terrain.
Ah, so it's a lot longer than it looks. Hard to see elevation changes from the top too. Glad to hear it! Too many flat courses around here.
Quote from: roman on April 23, 2008, 09:09:57 PM
Ah, so it's a lot longer than it looks. Hard to see elevation changes from the top too. Glad to hear it! Too many flat courses around here.
Defintitely longer than it looks. It would be an under par course for most Adv/Pro players with a par of 54. Wind would be tough out there.
Holes 3, 4, & 11would be over 600ft.
Holes 8, 9 & 18 are easily 350+
Holes 6, 7, 17 would play over 300ft.
Went to the park today and there was two guys in a golf cart removing the wood markers and marking with paint. From what I saw in a limited amount of time was that holes 13-18 will be exactly as shown on the map. I drive to Antioch 2-3 times per week for work and I will keep posting what I see.
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on April 29, 2008, 10:07:16 AM
Went to the park today and there was two guys in a golf cart removing the wood markers and marking with paint. From what I saw in a limited amount of time was that holes 13-18 will be exactly as shown on the map. I drive to Antioch 2-3 times per week for work and I will keep posting what I see.
this is good news. hopefully it is in the ground by the end of this month. What are they doing for tee pads? are they just marking them with paint or flags?
They are going to be concrete but I dont know if they are going to put the baskets in before the tee's or what.
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on April 29, 2008, 10:51:03 AM
They are going to be concrete but I dont know if they are going to put the baskets in before the tee's or what.
Hopefully the baskets go in last, so the men can get the work complete without the disc golfers interfering.
Yeah, may want to mention it to them. When they finally put in concrete tees at Willow Stream, 3 of them instantly had a penis carved into them along with other obscenities. One was so bad that they had to take it out and re-do it.
I was supposed to meet the designer tomorrow afternoon for a last minute walk thru. He called this afternoon saying the baskets are in. I guess where they are is where they'll be. I'm not sure of the final design.
He also said the funding for tee pads is a problem so there will not be concrete tees.
Just add another chapter to Lake County Disc Golf baby! Someone who has no clue about disc golf designing a course and no cement tee pads. Welcome to the mecca Antioch :walk:
unfortunate.
so is it open for play? im off tommorow and would like to check it out.
Quote from: discpro99 on April 29, 2008, 09:28:46 PM
so is it open for play? im off tommorow and would like to check it out.
I'm not sure if the park is open yet. On Saturday they still had the entrance blocked off and a big sign that said park closed.
Course is still closed. If you risk playing you run a good chance of seeing a police officer. I've been stopped both times this week.
All 18 baskets are in the ground. Attached is a map of the current layout. The tee pads are not well marked right now and will be dirt for the time being. Funding is an issue. Tee signs will be installed and some finishing touches are still needed.
There may be some tweaks in the design. Dave Brown & I are working on it. We'll see what happens. I'm hoping so.
Right now the course is long and righty friendly. I threw a mid range disc 1 time. Hole #12. Shot a -3.
any idea on when it will be open?
Quote from: discpro99 on May 01, 2008, 08:20:18 AM
any idea on when it will be open?
It should be open soon. I have a feeling if the weather holds out the park will be open next week.
any word on being open?
Went there on Monday, still closed >:(
The park district received a 400,000 dollar grant and they can't find money for concrete tees? Jason
Quote from: jsun3thousand on May 14, 2008, 07:29:00 PM
The park district received a 400,000 dollar grant and they can't find money for concrete tees? Jason
From my understanding the contractor's bid was super low. Something like 2K for 18 tees. I guess the project is over budget so this is an area that will be cut out. This course will fit right in with the other quality courses in Lake County.
Yes, before you know it there will be 60 foot long dirt tee's
Is the course open yet?
Thanks.
STILL CLOSED!!!!! :BangHead:
Checked today and it is still closed :angry5:
Any word??
I want to check this place out
Anyone know if it's open yet? Or when it will be.
Thanks.
I went there on thursday 6/12/08 and it's still closed. Also in town there is a sign that says Tim Osmond sport complex fund and it has a gauge on it that is only about half way to the top ($600,000 of $1,000,000) I wonder if the ran out of cash and stopped working on the park? I have not seen any workers at the park in about two weeks and I go out there almost every day.
:wav: IT'S OPEN :wav:
The course does not play very well right now. They still need to do some more mowing and clearing, it's very easy to loose a disc. As far as the design 1-6 are all righty hyzers about 300 feet 7 is pretty cool it plays up a large hill. Hole eight is the best on the front 9 its on the side of the large hill slightly downhill and just over 400 feet (its a fun shot). Hole 9 is just ok slightly uphill 350ish. Hole 10 the tee is on top of the hill would be nice to throw a big bomer off it but the hole is short. The marker for #12 tee pad is two feet away from basket 11, I dont know what that is about 14-18 are all good holes probally the best section of the course.
I got a call from Dave Brown last night about a work day on Sunday 6/29 around noon. He left me a voice mail about moving some baskets and clearing out a few areas. I will talk with him some time today and get more details. Anyone from the area who isnt going to Peoria please come on out. We could really use your help.
The front is not so good. A few shorter holes combined could have made for a few nice par 4's.
There is a nice boulder tucked in the woods. A tad bit of clearing could have lead to a green like this. (Orange Basket)
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=831206&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD
Also, the southeast corner of the park is not utilized at all. There is potentinal for a nice tunnel shot in the woods leading to that corner.
It is ridiculous having such a big hill to throw from and using a putter.
Just another disappointment in Lake County.
Quote from: discpro99 on June 26, 2008, 09:03:15 AM
I got a call from Dave Brown last night about a work day on Sunday 6/29 around noon. He left me a voice mail about moving some baskets and clearing out a few areas. I will talk with him some time today and get more details. Anyone from the area who isnt going to Peoria please come on out. We could really use your help.
I can make it at 1:00
Just another black eye to Lake County disc golf.
This course is not very playable in areas. They mowed the cross contry path and that is it. The rough is pretty brutal in places and you will lose plastic if you don't keep an eye on your shot.
The tees are marked with wooden stakes with orange paint written on them. They have the # on them. The tees are all grass.
I have seen it all now. The orignal 6 was supposed to play near the woods. They didn't mow it so you walk quite a ways back into the courner. You walk across #7's fairway then throw directly by #7's tee pad back tracking. So you cross #7 3 times before playing #7. You then walk back to #7 and throw across 6's fairway. AWESOME!
#12 tee is just past the basket of 11. Duck!
#'s 13 thru 17 really aren't too playable. The tall grass is pretty brutal and the only mowed area is the cross country path.
What a total disappointment!
Damn, I was wishing for new baskets to throw at but it sounds like this is a gas waster
Is this another instance of course design by someone who doesn't play disc golf? (although I didn't comb the thread for who designed it)
sounds like they had the same person who designed Leo Leathers come out for this one... wonder what it would take to get them to change it up, especially when you state that people could be hurt from crossing fairways.
After spending a few hours at Antioch on Sunday I dont understand what all the complaining is about.
We just got a brand new 18 hole course finally put in on a decent peice of property in Lake County. Yeah it needs a few tweaks here and there but lets stop complaing and do something about it. They are obviously willing to let us use most of the land out there since the course goes around and thru the whole complex. Never is a course ready to play right as it is put in. There is always some more work that needs to be done. This can be a excelent course if we put some time into it and get involved with the install of tee pads since we already missed the install of the baskets. Just becouse they have a wooded stake in the ground with a # on it doesnt mean that is were the tee pad has to go. They are up for ideas.
As for our work day on Sunday. We were able to move 13s basket before the storm came in and we were able to clear the fairways for 14-15. So the cluster f*ck part in the back 5 holes looks alot better and easier to navigate thru. They are suppose to be out there mowing and clearing out some areas by the end of this week but with the holiday this week who knows.
As far as the first 5 holes being all righty hyzers the back 9 makes up for it with holes13-18 all being turnover shots. If we put our club and its 100+ members to work out there this can be an EXCELENT course by the end of summer.
Justin,
The complaints are legit. That is the frustrating part. This should and could be the best course in Lake County. Course design and suggestions were offered before the baskets were in place. There is no reason that a brand new course should have to be overhauled. After the baskets were in more suggestions were made. There were several walk thrus done. They had hired help that would have done it right the first time if they were told to do so.
This course just shows the lack of knowledge of the game in this area. Instead of getting the tweaks done prior to installation they have to be done now. My old boss at Union Roofing would be going nuts right now. Hey kid, wtf are you doing the same job twice.
This course should not be open right now until it's complete. The tee pad situation is going to get outta hand just like Round Lake. For locals playing for the first time they are going to hate this course unless they get that mower out there soon.
I hope for the best but i'm not very optomistic at this point.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on June 30, 2008, 10:51:50 AM
Justin,
The complaints are legit. That is the frustrating part. This should and could be the best course in Lake County. Course design and suggestions were offered before the baskets were in place. There is no reason that a brand new course should have to be overhauled. After the baskets were in more suggestions were made. There were several walk thrus done. They had hired help that would have done it right the first time if they were told to do so.
This course just shows the lack of knowledge of the game in this area. Instead of getting the tweaks done prior to installation they have to be done now. My old boss at Union Roofing would be going nuts right now. Hey kid, wtf are you doing the same job twice.
This course should not be open right now until it's complete. The tee pad situation is going to get outta hand just like Round Lake. For locals playing for the first time they are going to hate this course unless they get that mower out there soon.
I hope for the best but i'm not very optomistic at this point.
I totally agree about having to do it twice when it should have been done right the first time sucks ass, but what im saying is these guys doing it have no clue what disc golf is all about and how a course should be installed, they just do what they are told. So i think we are the ones who will have to go in and fix the issues the course has becouse no one else will and if we dont we are wasting a great oppertunity to have a great course in our backyard.
hey, just to check, have they at least mowed down the grass a bit and shown slightly where the tees are? I stopped by a few weeks back while it was still closed and took a quick walk. I was on hole 1 and 2, and the grass was tall enough that after 10 minutes I had about 7 ticks crawling on me. Has it been improved at all since then at least? If there is a time for anyone interested in helping to go out and do some cutting down out there, please do post it on here. I would like to lend a hand with it.
The grass has not been mowed down very much. I had a tick on me last time I went out. I've had them every time i've been out there.
The tees are marked with long woodens stakes painted orange. They have the hole # written on them. Classy!
Eh, better than nothing I guess. I will have to get out there soon. And for the record, this is Chris, haha, figured I would register. So how can we go about improving on the course?
holes 1 thru 12 are all mowed now, but holes 13-17 still need some love.
Quote from: discpro99 on July 02, 2008, 07:43:42 AM
holes 1 thru 12 are all mowed now, but holes 13-17 still need some love.
Even around the pins?
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on July 02, 2008, 08:00:21 AM
Quote from: discpro99 on July 02, 2008, 07:57:51 AM
Quote from: Tenny Schimo on July 02, 2008, 07:56:42 AM
Quote from: discpro99 on July 02, 2008, 07:43:42 AM
holes 1 thru 12 are all mowed now, but holes 13-17 still need some love.
Even around the pins?
yup
Good, mowed bush is the best!
LOL!
give it some time fellas
It doesn't look like the baskets will be moving. They dug out circles about 4 inches deep around every basket. They filled them with limestone.
Circles before teepads? Just keep the Lake County mecca rolling Antioch!
Hey guys!
THANK YOU for trying to get stronger input for this course!
I played holes 1-12 last week and thought it had good potential.
Basket placement needs improvement.
Tee placement seemed to suck.
I hope cement hasn't been poured yet.
Signage and mowing can always be improved at any time.
I saw Dave (Brownie) Brown's name earlier in this thread.
Is Dave the primary course designer or at least a contact?
Brett, I agree this course could be stellar, but everyone involved has to be really committed to that goal.
Let me know if I can help in any way.
Jim
Hey Jim, I think one of Brett's biggest peeves about Antioch is they solicited lots of advice and course design/routing suggestions from him and other disc golfers and then didn't use any of it.
Hi Folks -- I live about 4 blocks from Osmond Park and finally drove through there to see what was there and noticed the baskets. Thought I'd pick up some discs and have a go at at it. Found out... I'm way outa shape, It can be a bit tough to find your way around (got lost after 9) and this stuff is pretty fun (considering I throw like an old lady). It seems as though the whole park is still not quite ready for prime time....kinda the way Antioch works a lot of time. It took about 2-3 years for them to finally complete the bathrooms by the band shell. Also pretty typical that they ask for info and then don't use it...Walmart comes to mind. Hopefully it will get tidied up.
Have a good one...Scott
The course is slowly getting better.I went out today and they now have a nice course map sign by tee #1. Also the course has all 18 tee signs with graphics and hole distance, they are look'n good. There is no more crossing fairways and the course looks playable. The rough and grass is still nasty, keep an eye on your plastic.
Played the course today with a buddy and I must say it's not that bad. I'm sure it could've been better if they took your suggestions, but I like the slight elevation changes here and there and how the baskets are tucked away into the woods. I enjoyed it. The first 10 or so holes are definitely all righty friendly, but then they start to mix it up. The wooded holes in the back are technical and really require proper placement. You learn quick to stay out of the rough. I ended up throwing my Rocs on every hole except for 12 where I threw a putter and 18 where I threw the Eagle. I will definitely keep my bag light for the next round. The bugs are really bad in the woods and I forgot my bug spray. It was torture. Pants are also nice to have if you plan on spending a lot of time in that tall grass otherwise it will chew up the skin on your legs.
I played Antioch again on Friday 8/8/08.
Tee signs are great!
Limestone basket skirts are really nice.
Course flows better now that tweaks have been made.
This course is going to become a favorite of mine.
However, the schule is crazy bad.
Be careful on Holes 15 through 17, where the fairways are really close.
Also, the distances on the big course sign do not match the tee distances, and I think most are way off.
A very fun and challenging course - get out and play this one!
are things looking better with the ticks as well? I'd presume that with the more brush that is pulled out, the less of a problem the ticks will be - but with crazy schule still out there who knows?
The ticks are not bad anymore I have not had any on me the last two times out. Jose and I went out there today we cleared some brush out around some of the baskets found an in ground bees nest by 12's pin, got stung, it sucked.
Some bad news: Hole #1's basket is gone. I can only assume it was stolen because they dont have locks on the baskets, what dumbasses. I tried to search for a park district contact to let them know about needing locks on the baskets, but could'nt find one. So I sent the guy thats running the event on the 23rd a message hopefully he passes along the info.
Holes 13-18 are amazing in my opinion, #16 is pretty tough.
A basket stolen already?!?!?!
Fer cryin out loud!
Thanks for doing the clearing, sorry you got stung, and thanks for notifying the APD quickly.
Quote from: jimklem on August 10, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
A basket stolen already?!?!?!
Fer cryin out loud!
Thanks for doing the clearing, sorry you got stung, and thanks for notifying the APD quickly.
I talked to the main 2 guys the day the baskets went in the ground. I told them to get locks on them immediately or a basket would get stolen. More to come i'm sure.
I just spoke with Steve Schmaus from Antioch Township.
He was not aware of the stolen basket.
He said he would get it replaced ASAP and would make sure locks were installed on all the baskets.
Only the one basket closest to Depot Rd. (17?) had a lock on it at this point.
I thanked him profusely for the course and all his hard work, and that there were many local discers who were now enjoying the course.
Played the course for the first time yesterday with Scott K. I like it ;D
Holes 15 thru 17 will test your accuracy. As the course is played the TALL ROUGH should get beat down to a more friendly level. So get out there and give it a try!!! I think the course installers made fairly good use of the property they had to work with.
I think they could have used more of the wooded area though to spread 15 thru 17 out a little more.
If you have not tried this course go out and do it now!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got out here again tonight for the first time in a while.
Tee signs--Look nice. Several distances are not accurate. Here is a concept. Don't place the tee signs near the tee area.
Tee pads-SMB
HYZER/HYZER/HYZER city still. This just reinforced why I won't be heading out there often.
13 is now a HYZER hole for those that have the arm to throw it. With the basket being moved to the tucked position and the tee being placed off the woods & deeper it's not that difficult of a shot to get over the trees crashing the green. Getting a 2 throwing a roller or anhyzer crashing thru the woods is not likely.
I keep wanting to lay up a putter to the edge of the woods on 13 where there is a nice window at the basket :) So far I've been missing that lay up.
Quick warning to anyone playing Antioch. There are several wasp nests in the bushes on the left side of hole 1. So while looking for discs be careful. They are low to the ground in the bushes.
I was out at Antioch on Friday afternoon. If you are having problems sleeping head out to Antioch and play a few holes. You will not be able to keep your eyes open due to the boredom. On the other hand you will need to keep your eyes open so that you don't break an ankle on all the hidden sink holes out there.
I don't understand the nice stone around the baskets but having mud tees. I am sure that there is a good explanation for something so ridiculous, but haven't a clue what it could be. The tee signs are nice, the baskets are nice. The tee pads are the worst. The course layout is an absolute joke. The first 12 holes play like the same hole 12 times with a couple of very minor variations.
If I had to choose between playing a short 9 hole course in the city of Chicago or an 18 hole course in Antioch I would take the Chicago course at IIT 95 out of 100 times.
The IIT course took full advantage of the limited resources that they had and the Antioch course is a waste of 18 nice baskets and tee signs. Brutal.
Actually, I'd take Antioch over Waukegan. I mean come on, the holes over the road are a JOKE! Sure, Antioch could be major improved but thankfully its an 18 hole. As I've said, any 18 hole is better than a 9
I'm not sure I understand your logic. You say the 6 holes across the street are a joke yet Antioch has 12 holes in a row where there is not 1 obstacle. The difference from Antioch and across the street at Waukegan is potential. There was potential for some holes in the woods and use of terrain on the east side of the course at Antioch. Across the street at Waukegan there is no potential. It's just an open field. Antioch is an example of poor design and lack meeting potential. From the course designer himself. "I can only throw 150 to 200ft and they all turn left. That is how I want this hole to play.' By no means is Waukegan a great course but at least it makes you play some disc golf and has a variety of holes. Antioch is an embarassment to disc golf course design. I live 8 miles from Antioch and 20 or so to Waukegan. I've been to Antioch 5 times. That course sucks!
Get a little wind and the holes across the street play pretty hard. They did what they could, i think waukegan is a good all around test as far as courses go around hear.
Quote from: fathergod on April 25, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
Actually, I'd take Antioch over Waukegan. I mean come on, the holes over the road are a JOKE! Sure, Antioch could be major improved but thankfully its an 18 hole. As I've said, any 18 hole is better than a 9
Are you serious? First of all, the holes acrosst the street at Bevier are 1/3 of the course. So, even if you find those holes incredibly unenjoyable, I'm not sure how you can still grade the entire course down below Antioch which has very little to offer more than open field hyzers for 2/3 of the course and then 6 somewhat interesting holes at the end. I'll assume you were just exaggerating because you wanted to make a point about how much you hate the holes across the street in Waukegan.
As far as those holes go, they clearly are not the most exciting holes in disc golf. But as you said, they make the course 18 holes, and 18 holes is better than 12. And they do offer a scoring spread between players no matter what division you are in.
Hole 6 is actually a good hole. A downhill grade makes it reachable for players who can throw 350 feet but there is heavy trouble hugging the right side.
Hole 7 also a good hole. Reachable for most, but again heavy trouble on the right side and OB with the creek.
Hole 8 is the worst hole. Probably not reachable for most players especially since the tee was moved back, but an easy 3.
Hole 9 and 10 are not great deuce holes, but do have the elevated baskets which can wreak havoc on a windy day. These 2 holes are pretty much Holes 1-12 at Antioch in a nutshell!
Hole 11 is probably boring for alot of players as well, but again it has the elevated basket and forces you to make a good upshot.
These 6 holes offer much more variety and challenge than Holes 1-12 at Antioch. I'll say I would prefer Holes 13-18 at Antioch to replace 6-11 at Bevier. However, Bevier as a whole is well beyond the Antioch course in the level of fun and challenge provide, no matter what skill level you are at. I see more and more casual players at Bevier every year since it was expanded to 18.
Has anyone played out at Antioch this year? I live 8 miles away and have not visited there all year.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 31, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
Has anyone played out at Antioch this year? I live 8 miles away and have not visited there all year.
I played one time out there earlier this summer.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 31, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
Has anyone played out at Antioch this year? I live 8 miles away and have not visited there all year.
I played Antioch for the first time earlier this year. I'm not sure that I will go back even though it is close to home for me as well. There was a basket missing on 12 or 13. Looked like it had been torn out of the ground a while ago.
Met the main contact of Antioch at the parks and recreation conference. It's not going to happen over night but a redesign and improvements are in the works. I'm meeting with him next week. Concrete tees pads are in the plans along with other improvments like mowing patterns. DGCR is a great resource. Currently Antioch is ranked 74th of 79 18+ hole courses in Illinois. Hopefully that can get moved to the middle of the pack or possibly. The park contact recognizes this and wants to make drastic changes.