almost ready for the season to start. can't wait, it can't get any worse that last year! With DLee healthy again and Soriano in the lineup, this team should atleast score runs. The pitching will be a question mark, but our division sucks.
Hey, its spring. A new season. Everyone has a shot. Well except for the Royals and Nationals. Two Chicago teams going for one World Series Title, chances are one of them has got to win. This is the year two Chicago teams go to the World Series.
off to their usual start
common sense says sit soriano for the 15 day dl
and let PIE have a chance
if he does well thats a good thing and the cubs will have to make a decision
if he does bad back to the minors he goes for more seasoning
will the cubs do the smart thing ?
http://fireloupiniella.net/
omg already the movement has started
Quote from: airspuds on April 17, 2007, 12:00:39 PM
http://fireloupiniella.net/
omg already the movement has started
That site was established the day he took the job.
i do not hate Uncle Lou...........yet .
the pitching is the question mark this year and thus far its been great. the hitting has sucked, but it has to come around eventually.
What's Zambrano's ERA now, 7.77? He better start earning that paycheck SOON!
cubs baby! HOT!! only a matter of time before reality sets in on the brewers and the cubs take over 1st in this weak division.
this just sux. how can u not score runs when u have lee, aram, and soriano in your lineup? wtf? i just don't understand why things just never seem to work out. soriano leaves NY and goes to texas and then to washington and tears it up everywhere. why does he suddenly have no power? lee can't drive in any runs either. 1st and 3rd or bases loaded situations all year long and we NEVER get anybody home. if the cardinals had signed soriano i guarantee he would have 14 hr by now.
i have mostly liked lou so far. the only complaint i have is that he is leaving zambrano in too long consistently. let the guy leave after a good outing for once. he always lets him get into trouble before he pulls the trigger. obviously the pen sucks, but we need Z's confidence to get back up.
the cubs need a long hot streak before the all star break or we might as well start unloading some guys.
how does trading one of the best hitting NL catchers for nothing HELP us? give me a break. dudes get in fights all the time. you get over it and move on. i would love to know who is the one who really wanted this to happen. this season is reminding me of the 2004 team now, which is not a good thing.
if Koyie Hill can cut down even 10% more of the attempted base stealers than Barrett I'm happy. I think I would have rather seen Cesar Izturis get traded, but who would take him? Barrett was only hitting something like .250, and this is pretty much the sink or swim point. If he hasn't been able to get that up to .290-.300 by now, is it worth the gamble?
With that said, it is sad to see Barrett go. He's got heart.
Watching Sportscenter tonight there was mention of Griffey Jr. heading to the Cubs which would be pretty sweet!
Quote from: tacimala on June 21, 2007, 09:15:00 PM
Watching Sportscenter tonight there was mention of Griffey Jr. heading to the Cubs which would be pretty sweet!
that would be awesome but i dont see it happening. They NEED to sign Zambrano though
griffey is not wat this team needs at all. but watever. if they waste even 1 longshot prospect on him for a season that appears to be headed for total disaster anyways, then its retarded.
well hey, it Texas had expressed interest in Jacque Jones, then work a 3-way deal somehow lol I'll take a left-handed hitting right fielder with 19 home runs over a left-handed hitting right fielder with 2 home runs.
Hopefully Koyie Hill will get more playing time than Bowen. I'm still not sure about that deal.
Quote from: stpitner on June 22, 2007, 09:21:33 AM
well hey, it Texas had expressed interest in Jacque Jones, then work a 3-way deal somehow lol I'll take a left-handed hitting right fielder with 19 home runs over a left-handed hitting right fielder with 2 home runs.
Hopefully Koyie Hill will get more playing time than Bowen. I'm still not sure about that deal.
I dont see Hill hitting much at the mlb level. He is a good backup but Bowen should definitely start. He can hit a little bit better potential then Hill anyway. And ya I agree I hate Jones i would love to get rid of him but i think the Reds were trying to get Sean Marshall from the Cubs for Griffey and I wouldnt do that
marshall for Griffey? No way when there's some $22 million the cubs would be taking on for the remainder of Griffey's contract (through '08 + $4 mil buyout on '09 season). At least the Cubs can chalk up a positive for having Pinella as manager right now though. I don't think Griffey would even consider Chicago if it wasn't for Pinella.
If Hendry was able to swing Nomar to Chicago (whether or not it was good for the cubs doesn't matter right now), he'd certainly be able to pull it together to get Griffey. I'd much rather have a Griffey/Floyd platoon (both lefties, both could use days off - let's just hope not the same days!) than a Jones/Pagan/Floyd platoon.
i heard part of the reason they traded barett was because he leaked out info to the press about what went on at the players only meeting they had and the team wanted him gone
Due to comcast updating there digital offerings, my "basic" service lost all the cable stations
so im watching the cubs and listening to the white sox
one thing bothered me
Dear Cub fans,
During the National Anthem, please take off your hats and get off the cell phones.
The camera panned the crowd and i saw several fans had not removed their hats;
just another example of ignorant fans.
two words for the Texas baseball fans
HOUSTON SUX !!!!
how many errors are you going to make in this series ?
did they hire the cubs fielding coach ?
again baseball economics rules
how come PIE is sent to Iowa ?
because J Jones has a big salary
so is the best team on the field
NO, as usual economics drives the baseball decisions
well theres my post all star game rant
good luck cubs you will need it
even in the weakest division/leauge in baseball
go white sox !
Mike, I'm sure every Sox fan takes off their hat and hangs up whenever the anthem is being played in the cell.
J Jones was all but traded to Florida until Selig put the kabosh on the deal because he didn't want the new owners to incur any more debt when the Cubs are sold at the end of the season. So the Cubs are kinda stuck with Jones... at least he has been hitting ok the past couple games he has played. But Pie was only hitting .220... his numbers had really dropped. I think he'll be back by August 1st... I don't expect to still see Jacque Jones and Cesar Izturis still around though, not with Cedeno hitting something like .390 in AAA right now.
I was at the game on Friday, I removed my cap.
Agreed, Houston was making some of the dumbest defensive plays I have ever seen. The two errors on the same groundball against Soto on Friday were HILARIOUS.
weak division overall? Probably. Weak division in the top two teams? Not really. Milwaukee is tied for the 2nd best record in the NL. I can't exactly call that weak. Cubs are 6th best.
I just love that they are above .500 overall as well as when playing at home. I'm 4-0 for games attended this year (3 home, 1 away) :) I don't have tickets for any more games this season, maybe I should start asking people to give me some!
yes, sox fans are known for the amount of respect they give to everybody else around them. (i.e. shirtless dudes with mullets beating the tar out of a 60 yr old umpire).
Ahh yes, something that happened 6 years ago. Still being brought up. Isn't it great that nothing like that ever happens at Wrigley?
Oh wait, once this year a guy went after Howry, there was the Chad Krueter incident when a fan stole his helmet, and there was a brawl in the stands with the Dodgers, The guy that went after Randy Meyers. If I thought long enough, I'm sure I can think of more.
As for Sox fans removing their hats, when I'm at the game, I notice most do. I don't think I've seen one person in the past 50 games I've gone to not remove their hat. During God Bless America, that's another story, although that isn't the National Anthem. I'm not saying that every person removes their hat, I'm just saying that personally, I havn't seen it
Quote from: Dan Michler on July 16, 2007, 11:56:39 AM
yes, sox fans are known for the amount of respect they give to everybody else around them. (i.e. shirtless dudes with mullets beating the tar out of a 60 yr old umpire).
For every one of that guy at US Cellular there are about 100 overserved frat boys :puke: who think they are cool at Wrigley. Fools abound in the stands in ball parks across the land. My team's fans watch the game, know the rules and care who wins. Your team's fans are thrilled to be at Wrigley for the experience of getting hammered in the friendly confines.
What really matters? Your team is playing good ball and my team cannot be described without violating the rules of this message board. >:( Cheers to Lou for getting his boys to play. Oops, said, "cheers", a few more fans just fell over.
I'd much rather watch a ball game with Sox fans. However... The Cubs are a much more interesting team to watch these days.
Just got back from the game. I counted 4 people that didn't remove their hats - 2 men, 2 women, 1 of which was a worker there.
Ben Sheets is out 4-6 weeks...tore a muscle in his finger or something. All that is left to start games for the Brew Crew is a bunch of guys trying to keep their ERA's out of the 5.00's.
Cubs fans, can you say "opening?"
are there alot of fans drunk at Cubs games? YES!!! i've sure as hell been one of them more than once that coudlnt' have told you who was playing cuz i was so far gone. i've been to 16 major league parks, and there have been alot of drunk people at all of them..........not sure wat ur point is dave. i can point out a thousand cubs fans and a thousand sox fans or any other fans at any game that have no knowledge of the game. if u think sox fans are 'more knowledgable' then ur just being ridiculous. there are a ton of 'knowledgable' cubs fans that i talk to everyday.
every ballpark has idiots, atleast the idiot cubs fans support their team by filling the park every night and getting f*&ked up in the process.
Seeing a cheap shot against Sox fans, I started to reply in kind. Half way through I realized there are jerks everywhere. I just got a little pumped up about the cheap shot. The reality is that the Cubs are playing good ball and the Sox are playing bad ball. That is the only thing that really matters. We always think the fans of the other team suck.
Lets go Phillies !!!
Let's Go ROYALS!! you're only one game away from passing the sox as the worst in the AL!!!
NL Central 2007 - the Am IV of Major League Baseball... ::)
Holy Cow!
Cliff Floyd dbl off a lefty with another clutch hit back to back nights.
Henry Blanco executing a squeeze.
1st xtra inning win on the road.
WTF?
St. Lou still just 3 back though. We need Soriano back and healthy really really bad.
Pinella on the Cubs pregame yesterday was hinting that Soriano might be ready Tuesday vs. Milwaukee. will be interesting to see. I just wish they could help him keep his strikeouts down especially in the lead off spot. Soriano definitely has more pop than Murton though.
I was looking at the Cubs stats today and was wondering if the following has ever happened in modern baseball.
The Cubs have a chance at winning this division with 82 or so wins which is what they will have if they keep playing at the pace the have been playing.
But look at the offensive numbers. They have a chance to have no one with 100 RBI or 20 home runs, 25 is more is more than likely the number, or 100 runs scored, heck no one may even score 90. The starting pitching is pretty good but wow those numbers look bad. I don't know how you go .500 with those numbers much less win 80+ games. And if the bullpen didn't suck for the first 2 months of the year they would be running away with this division. I saw that the bullpen pick up its 24 loss of the year the other night. Sad!
Has anyone ever won a division this way?
Well, St. Louis just last year only won 83 ball games and then won the world series...
The key thing overall to look at is the # of runs allowed by the pitching staff. Cubs are #2 in runs allowed in the NL (behind San Diego). That means that while the bullpen may have a lot of losses, overall the team isn't allowing that many runs to be scored on them. The bullpen is doing just fine right now. The Cubs are winning 1-run games now. That's a big factor. They are finally getting clutch hits! I know a lot of people were hesitant about Jason Kendall at first (and still are unhappy with not being able to throw out baserunners), but he's one of those guys where if you need a slap hit in the clutch to just stick it to the other team... he's the dude.
Aramis has had 34 RBI's in the last 39 games, so he has a good shot at breaking 100. I do have to agree though with the home run numbers. I can't believe how low those are this year.
There are a couple things that all these numbers mean to me:
1) There has been a bunch of injuries that they had to bring in a fill-in to do the job.
2) Players are platooning (Floyd, Jones, Murton, etc)
3) Everybody is contributing. If everyone contributes, the numbers get spread around. You're not relying on just one guy to get the RBI's.
Not giving up a lot of runs... getting clutch hits... distributing the hits & RBI's around... sounds like a great winning combination to me!
The one stat that does scare me?
Derrek Lee. No, not the homers, not even the RBI's.
Walks: 61 (good), Strikeouts: 97. EEP!
I've been saying all year that Lee is done as a middle of the order hitter. He hits for average and has doubles power. That is all you will ever see from him for the rest of his career. Unfortunately the Cubs pay him to hit 40 HR and drive in 100, not be Mark Grace with more strikeouts.
I am hoping that D.Lee has not fully recovered from his wrist injury and that his power numbers will return. That probably will not happen this year. But hopefully next if not he might be done as a power hitter. But 4-5 years ago I thought we were going to have the best starting pitching in baseball for 5 years+.
The Cardinals had a really good offensive team last year and also didn't have any compeition in the division last year. Just like the 2005 White Sox. Getting off to a great start of the season does that to alot of teams. I wish I could get paid millions to get bored have way thru the work year.
Soriano is back tonight. Ben Sheets is supposed to start for Milwaukee tomorrow. The pennant race is always better when the good players are healthy.
Magic # = 8
Magic # = 6
Magic # = 4
2005 Chicago White Sox
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Is the CHOKE coming? I cannot believe the Sox did not pick up anyone to help them down the stretch. A losing month & under .500 since the all star break. This could get interesting.
Brett Comincioli
It is getting interesting on the northside. Plenty of time left, but with the Cubs anything is possible.
i dont see a choke happening but anything can happen
marlins sending out rookie pitcher tonight but the Reds have played the cubbies tough
magic # STILL 4
go brewers !
As a Cubs fan I wouldn't be surprised to see us miss the playoffs. Anything else is a bonus. The Cardinals never fail to break our hearts. Hopefully SD can do some damage.
we lost a game, i wouldn't call this choking yet...we are the 2nd hottest team in the NL.
in 2005 the white sox lost alot more than 1 game in the final weeks of the season which is why we called it CHOKING.
I just don't like how the Cards are pretty much letting the Brewers win. On Monday the Cardinals let the brewers be up 4-0 before even an out was recorded, and then last night it was 3-0 with 2 homeruns from the first 3 batters of Milwaukee. How blatant is that?
If San Diego wants to get in the playoffs, they are going to play the Brewers EXTREMELY hard. Cubs just need to win 3 in order to force a 1-game playoff, and that's IF the Brewers win out. That's going to be tough when the Brewers need to sweep San Diego too.
Hopefully the Cubs can win tonight to keep the lead at a minimum of 2 games. That helps people not panic as much!
I'm the one with all the dyed Cubs discs. No one needs to panic but me. There's only so much room in the freezer.
No need to panic Cubs fans. Odds are they will win their division. All the fear after one loss is sort of like getting on your feet and cheering for a warning track fly ball... oh yea,I forgot, you guys are Cubs fans. >:D I get it. In any case, things look good and as the Cards proved last year, just get in and anything can happen. As Judy Tenuta has taought us, "It could happen" and this year it really might happen. Meanwhile, my mantra is that age old baseball phrase, "wait til next year!" Anybody taking action on Sox '08 v. Cubs'08?
Didn't the White Sox of '05 have an almost choke going to get to the playoffs? I think I do recall quite a White Sox fandom panic. Same thing happened with the '06 Cardinals. They almost blew what, a 7-game lead over Houston?
It's tough for a Cubs fan to get their hopes up in fear of being Sammy So-so'd. There's always a huge weight on the shoulders of the team trying to get it done. Look at this year's Red Sox. The Yankees have almost taken 1st place away from them. Minnesota took away first from Detroit last year. The tough thing for the Cubs is that they do not have the Wild Card to fall back upon.
What was really sad was that the other day I heard the radio announcer telling everyone what the magic number was for the white sox to clinch staying out of last place. That's not really a great platform to be standing on and shouting down the Cubs fans this year.
In other news - the umpire that incited Milton Bradley was suspended, YAY. About stinking time they do something like that!
Magic # = 3
Let's go San Diego!!!
I rinsed the Cubs October Buzzz Collection tonight. I'll try to get Kelsey to take a picture of them tomorrow. Anyone who want to reserve one, or wants something similar on Innova Star plastic, shout out, tomorrow, when i get up a picture.
If you have any of the following, I'd be interested in a cubs and/or packers dye:
167-170 Star Wraith
175 Star Wraith
172+ Star Max (although most are 175, and that's fine, and it would be better if it was packers)
Max Weight ESP Pulse or Z Crush or ESP Crush
I can discuss more by email
and should the worst possible thing happen with the cubs not making the playoffs, people will still buy the plastic, no worries :)
What about Padre discs and SD Charger disc in powder blue design
Magic # = 2
Let's go Greg Maddux!
Quote from: damonshort on August 19, 2007, 07:04:00 PM
NL Central 2007 - the Am IV of Major League Baseball... ::)
nobody likes my jokes.... >:D
Cub fans say thank you Padres
Quote from: godzilla46 on September 27, 2007, 09:01:32 AM
What about Padre discs and SD Charger disc in powder blue design
Talk to Rhett Stroh or some other SoCal TD. If he wants to get a dozen Padres or Chargers discs, you could piggyback on that.
Quote from: damonshort on September 27, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
Quote from: damonshort on August 19, 2007, 07:04:00 PM
NL Central 2007 - the Am IV of Major League Baseball... ::)
nobody likes my jokes.... >:D
And that would make the White Sox junior < 10?
Here is the Cubs Collection. They are all ESP Buzzzes. I might do some Innova Star too.
It doesn't happen often ('84,'89,'98,'03) in my lifetime, but there will be playoff baseball in 2007 at Wrigley Field!!!
Hell Yeah mofos!!!!!!!!!!!! :icon_cheers:
I kept startling my daughter awake tonight from all the cheering watching Milwaukee just flop over to the Padres. Thank you Trevor Hoffman for making it a peaceful 9th inning!
Right now i think the cubs are going to be facing the Diamondbacks if they were to continue to hold the best record in the NL. Game 1 is on October 3rd. Z is starting. It's probably going to be Zambrano vs. Webb. yowza. At least the Cubs have the advantage of having 2 great starters with Z and Lilly. D'backs just have Webb. Advantage: Cubs. D'Backs took 4 out of the 6 this year, winning 2 of 3 at each stadium. So it's up to the Cubbies to step it up for this series, and given how many Cub fans are in Arizona, I think they'll have a good chance at "home field advantage" at least throughout this series!
Go Cubs!! :wav: Sorry Brewers :thebirdman:
if the cubs win the world series
i will buy one for dan m
let's hope that the Cubs that showed up for the Reds series are the Cubs that go to Arizona. I don't want to see the Cubs that played in Florida. DLee was right there for Florida when they bounced the Cubs in '03, let's hope he can help turn the tables and bounce some other teams out of the way!
going to be an exciting WEDNESDAY!
Most of the Cubs fans are snowbirds ...... so NO home field advantage in AZ. ;D .... I hope ::)
considering that the cubs have the highest spring training attendance in the Cactus League perenially (note: Arizona :) ), and then considering that the Cubs were ranked 3rd highest average attendance on the road (Boston #1, Yankees #2), there's almost no question that the Cubs are going to have a HUGE fan support at Arizona. Tickets aren't available now for game 1 and 2, but they were still available right before the opponent was determined to be the cubs.
Break out the Cubbie blue!
Cool thing happened at my brother's wedding reception on Saturday. They made a specific request from the DJ, and about 15 minutes later he starts asking everyone, "hey, who stole the ivy?" Then after a little banter about no ivy, he told us to start imagining Ivy and then to start imagining standing at the corner of Clark and Addison... and then he proceeded to play the Go Cubs Go song (or the "Go Cubs Win" song as Lou Pinella worded it lol). The reception was rockin' during that song!
anyone know what time the game starts on wednesday? i cant find it anywhere :huh:
I just heard it on the radio, it was announced earlier this afternoon... first pitch around 9pm (probably 9:05 or 9:10) central time. Going to be a late night wednesday!
Quote from: stpitner on October 01, 2007, 02:02:43 PM
I just heard it on the radio, it was announced earlier this afternoon... first pitch around 9pm (probably 9:05 or 9:10) central time. Going to be a late night wednesday!
ty
Quote from: stpitner on October 01, 2007, 01:57:30 PM
considering that the cubs have the highest spring training attendance in the Cactus League perenially (note: Arizona :) ), and then considering that the Cubs were ranked 3rd highest average attendance on the road (Boston #1, Yankees #2), there's almost no question that the Cubs are going to have a HUGE fan support at Arizona. Tickets aren't available now for game 1 and 2, but they were still available right before the opponent was determined to be the cubs.
Teams have to make tickets available for MLB to sell. These are likely held off until the opponent is determined (there team can sell the tickets?) It is something like %10-%20 of the total tickets. This would be why there were still tickets available prior to the Cubs were announced as the opponent. MLB forces the home team to hold those tickets.
Not sure why Z was pulled after 6 but it cost us.
wow, and Z only had 85 pitches too. I wonder if it was a mix of cramping/wanting to make sure he doesn't go too overboard for potential game 4 and 3 days of rest. Marmol is usually lights out, but he was probably nervous.
Cubs were hitting the ball hard, just right at guys. That was definitely unfortunate! However, it does encourage me to think that the Cubs can pull it off Thursday, and if the Wrigley crowd is going to be as insane as I think it will be, that hopefully will pump them up to take a 2 games to 1 lead going into the Zambrano vs. Webb matchup again.
bruce you might want to change the logo on the cubs discs
1 for 10 with runners in scoring position
pulling zambrano out after 6 innings
yes lou i know you have a good bullpen and you trust the bullpen (trusting the bullpen will always get you in trouble - ask ozzie ) but you have to WIN the first game on the road as it sets
the tone for the series - now you have to win 3 out of 4
if zambrano gets in trouble in the 7th, thats when you put someone else in (bad decision IMHO)
still lou reminds me of Bush when answering questions about Iraq
from all the white sox fans a big "thanks lou "
From a White Sox fan, I hope the Cubs can turn it around and win this thing and win the World Series. It is only one game there is plenty of time. It may have not been the best decision, but there is no predicting how things would have turned if Z had been left in the game.
Chicago has had so few championships in all sports, it would be nice if the Cubs could win one.
Out of 2 games vs. Webb, taking 1 would be good and we can still do that.
I didn't agree with pulling Z, but with Marmol coming in I wasn't really too worried at the time either. No matter how you look at it, we didnt score any more runs the rest of the game so you can't say it cost us the game.
From another Sox fan--
Lou took a risk and it backfired. I think it was a reasonable risk. He tried to win two ballgames last night and lost one. Zambrano was pitching lights out. However, Lou needs Z to be fresh on Sunday for what will likely be an elimination game. Marmol has been tremendous all year and he did not get it done. Reasonable risk, that did not pan out. If the Cubs had a fourth starter they could trust this would not have happened. The problem is that he cannot do the same with Lilly tonight. Lou has to leave Lilly in unless he is in trouble. This puts game five, if they get there, at risk. Lilly might be gassed for game five and only have about five innings in him. Great starting pitching yesterday in all the games. As well as Welch and Zambrano pitched, Josh Becket was stunning. He shut down a loaded Angels lineup. Did anybody catch Steve Stone doing color for that game. He is the gold standard for color commentary. Earlier in the week he was mentioning that you have to be stupid to throw a fastball on the plate to Alphonso Soriano. Soriano saw breaking balls last night and didn't touch them. Smart pitching by Welch.
Quote from: Chainmeister on October 04, 2007, 06:42:56 AM
From another Sox fan--
As well as Welch and Zambrano pitched, Josh Becket was stunning. Smart pitching by Welch.
Webb was really good too. ;) You up late last night?
I didn't know Bob Welch came out of retirement.
Quote from: damonshort on October 04, 2007, 06:58:43 AM
Quote from: Chainmeister on October 04, 2007, 06:42:56 AM
From another Sox fan--
As well as Welch and Zambrano pitched, Josh Becket was stunning. Smart pitching by Welch.
Webb was really good too. ;) You up late last night?
D'oh, I was up late. I could have sworn his name was Webb. I was reading the box score without my glasses and saw "Welch". I guess I better start wearing the glasses when I am putting. :-\ I saw the home run off of Marmol. I then woke up and another program was on. I guess WEBB had better command of his pitches than I did of my posts.
i did it the old fashioned way
the radio
the curse of unemployment- no cable
tough listening again tonight... who knows if they'll come back, but man does this make me feel like I'm watching the Cubs vs. Marlins in 2003... pesky hitters.
anyone know where i can buy one of those "L" flags ?
Quote from: airspuds on October 05, 2007, 04:32:15 AM
anyone know where i can buy one of those "L" flags ?
dude, go away. Stop being one of the many reasons why I don't like a lot of sox fans. Unless you want the L flag to celebrate your team's 90 losses, it's stupid to mock the cubs this season.
Soriano, Ramirez, Lee: Combined 4-for-27. Ugh! :P
haha I am not too sure it is entirely accurate to develop reasons why to dislike sox fans. Hear me out:
First off, I am a Sox fan. I have never said a bad thing about the Cubs (believe it or not :o). It is nice to see Chicago well-represented in sports. So to make a long story short, at work I have had several cub fans come up to me and rub the Sox season in my face (I am using work as an example, though this sort of behavior has happened countless times in every setting this year) . Remember this is completely unprovoked. These are the same people that gave the Sox absolutely no credit when they went 11-1 in the playoffs 2 years ago. Now I always hear Cub fans making comments about how they hate Sox fans.
In the same breath that you shooed airspuds away, you insulted the Sox on a rough season. Understandbly, he deserved the first part. But what are you gaining by pointing out an obviously subpar season? I just do not get that sort of logic. I can understand that this is a Cubs forum so those comments are out of place here. I am just saying that I am sick of the fact that no matter what either team does, there is incessant bickering.
Perhaps I am guilty of generalizing Cub fans with this post as well; I apologize if I have. This season just wore me thin on tolerance.
Anyway, don't expect to hear much more from me on this subject. I had no intentions of muddying the waters. Just felt like dropping my .02
I hope the Cubs can get the bats moving at home to keep the season alive. I wouldn't mind a Bear, Bulls, Cubs year ;D although it isn't look too promising on the first front (but I swear I won't jump to conclusions!)
Quote from: ActionJackson on October 05, 2007, 12:24:58 PM
haha I am not too sure it is entirely accurate to develop reasons why to dislike sox fans. Hear me out:
First off, I am a Sox fan. I have never said a bad thing about the Cubs (believe it or not :o). It is nice to see Chicago well-represented in sports. So to make a long story short, at work I have had several cub fans come up to me and rub the Sox season in my face (I am using work as an example, though this sort of behavior has happened countless times in every setting this year) . Remember this is completely unprovoked. These are the same people that gave the Sox absolutely no credit when they went 11-1 in the playoffs 2 years ago. Now I always hear Cub fans making comments about how they hate Sox fans.
In the same breath that you shooed airspuds away, you insulted the Sox on a rough season. Understandbly, he deserved the first part. But what are you gaining by pointing out an obviously subpar season? I just do not get that sort of logic. I can understand that this is a Cubs forum so those comments are out of place here. I am just saying that I am sick of the fact that no matter what either team does, there is incessant bickering.
Perhaps I am guilty of generalizing Cub fans with this post as well; I apologize if I have. This season just wore me thin on tolerance.
Anyway, don't expect to hear much more from me on this subject. I had no intentions of muddying the waters. Just felt like dropping my .02
I hope the Cubs can get the bats moving at home to keep the season alive. I wouldn't mind a Bear, Bulls, Cubs year ;D although it isn't look too promising on the first front (but I swear I won't jump to conclusions!)
Note how I said how I don't like
a lot of sox fans... didn't say all. I have noticed, however, that the majority of Cubs fans will say they don't like Sox fans citing that Sox fans rub it in all the time (bad generalization) if the Cubs play poorly. Likewise, the majority of Sox fans will say they don't like Cubs fans citing that it's the Cubs fans that rub it in all the time (another bad generalization) if the Sox play poorly. On both sides there are fans that will
not rub it in, and I try to think of myself as one of them - unless provoked. I didn't say anything after he posted the Choke picture. I let it go. But then the next night to have to extend the rubbing it in he has to go and ask where to buy the L flag? That's too far. Both are uncalled for, but I understand and allow some levels of razzing. The reason I mentioned the 90-loss season is that instead of letting the Cubs fans try to enjoy their postseason, I guess there is a desire for some sort of vindication? Their season was terrible, so they have to bring the rest of us down with them? I didn't razz a single Sox fan during the '05 playoff run. Do I wish that the A.J. dropped 3rd strike would have been called differently? sure. Am I happy they won? no.
I'd much rather see a team be cheered on to the bitter end rather than have to hear the small yet vocal minority rubbing it in your face that the team didn't win. That's what I'm hoping for tomorrow - a stadium full of fans there to cheer instead of sneer.
Quote from: stpitner on October 05, 2007, 12:59:14 PM
[ Do I wish that the A.J. dropped 3rd strike would have been called differently? sure. Am I happy they won? no.
I see it a different way. Its even better when the "other" team is in the playoffs because its win/win. If the Cubs win I am happy. I hope they do well notwithstanding the difficult 0-2 predicament they are in. However, I am not emotionally invested. If they lose, its no big deal to me. In 2003 I went to the bathroom just before Moises Alou through his hissy fit thinking that it really looked like the Cubs were going to the World Series. I came out of the bathroom, having heard the play by play and the oohs and ahhs of family members thinking "oh my they really are cursed!" and had a good chuckle. Either way, I was ok. Same thing this year. True Sox fans will think I am a turncoat. The Sox are the only thing that matters to me but its still nice to see any Chicago team do well. If not, yeah, I am going to chuckle and you should not be surprised. Two years ago I was invested. I lived and died with my team. Fortunately, they won. You could have enjoyed the ride with no down side but missed the point.
Who is better? Duh, this year it is certainly the Cubs. I have a buddy who has a standing bet with a Cubs fan at $5 per game for the season. If one team is 20 games better somebody wins $100. Over the past 20 years my buddy has won a lot more money than he has lost. He gave some money back this year but is still way, WAY, in the black.
Good luck Saturday. If the Cubs win I will smile. Just don't expect me to give you a high five.
hey as long as we can all unite in the abomination of the Yankees...
uh oh, I sure hope I didn't offend anyone :rolleyes: but honestly does anyone like the Yankees outside of NY? I mean just because they are proof that 9 star players can still look like fools on the baseball field quite often...
ummm anyway good luck Cub fans ! I hope my words haven't promoted any hostility.
hah, right there with ya against the Yankees. I'd hate to see a Red Sox vs. Cubs world series just because I wouldn't want either team to lose! (although the Cubs would definitely have to edge them out :) )
the only time I give a sox fan shit is when they know me & its understood to be a joke.
anyhow, its not too late to hope the northsiders find and exploit a crack in the dbacks.
just having a little fun
oh i found one by the way
World Series starts tonight !!!!
better luck next year
2007 division champs was a big improvement. Can't wait for next April.
I'm curious as to where they are going to make some changes. Cubs need more patient hitters, that's for sure.
I hear ole' Dusty is finally taking a shot at the team... moreless the front office...
I don't know about taking a shot at the team or the front office, I didn't hear that, but I did hear this morning that he was talking about how he still felt scars from the Chicago media. I can whole-heartedly agree that the Chicago media can be brutal. All of the reporters are trying to find some kind of unique angle to get them ahead of all the other reporters. It's going to be very annoying next year as all of the reporters have to ask the question about how everyone on the team feels now that it's 100 years since the last championship. Who cares? Just get it done.
Dusty derserved everything he got. He sat there with his kid on his lap for half his interviews. He always made an excuse for his players. It got old watching this guy game after game say the same bullcrap.
What a sweet relief when Lou came in. Early in the year I didn't think this team had a chance to compete with the Central Div. It was fun watching Lou call out players and get fired up. He said it best. I see why this team has lost so many games. It's my job to change the culture.
I'd argue that the chicago media was giving it to Lou quite a bit too, even though Lou did a great job making a division winner out of a team - no matter how they got there. I wonder how long Lou will hear about pulling Zambrano after 85 pitches lol. I could care less... Cubs still lost the next 2 games. The game 1 decision doesn't really have all that much to do with games 2 or 3.