QuoteWe are only about a month away before Milwaukee will be hosting a PDGA B-tier event that is featured on the Wisconsin Disc Golf Tour and will also be your preview to the 2007 Am Worlds (http://www.2007amworlds.com) .
We will be running all 4 courses over a 2 day period which should really give you a taste of what you will see in July. I have secured an 'off season' rate with the Four Points Sheraton Brown Deer (http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=949) which is the same primary host hotel we are using for Am Worlds. You MUST CALL in to reserve that price and use the code GMO when doing so. The number is: 414.355.8585.
Online registration is quick and easy and can be found on my website, Take Flight Today (http://www.takeflighttoday.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=108). On Tuesday, April 24th I received 8 online registrations in one day. I think that's a pretty good indicator that we might reach our max capacity of 288 total players for this event.
The list of pre-registered players (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344) will be updated frequently. If you wish to download and mail in a registration form (http://www.widiscsports.com/assets/gmoFlyer.pdf) you can do so as well.
Many thanks go out to the sponsors that have already signed on with the event including, Innova (http://www.innovadiscs.com), Lifetime Disc Sports (http://www.lifetimediscsports.com), Woodchuck Hard Cider (http://www.woodchuck.com), Milwaukee County Parks (http://www.countyparks.com), and The Great Lakes Disc Golf Club (http://www.gldgc.com).
One final note - ALL of the courses need some work before this event can happen so please contact Mark Peterson (262-224-5824) or myself about future workdays (mainly on Tuesday nights and Saturdays).
Terry,
Will all the courses be set up how they will be played for Am World's? Can't wait to play them.
We are going to do our best to get them as close to the Am Worlds layout as possible. Part of hosting this event is for us to double check a few holes here and there. So can I say that 100% of what you see at the GMO will be at the Worlds - NO. However, we are going to do our best to make them match up. The PDGA wants us to take the data gathered at the GMO to ensure we use correct pin placements for the Worlds.
It should be insane that weekend. I know Des Moines is going on but I think we seriously might get to our 144 advanced men's field limit!
Quote from: CEValkyrie on April 25, 2007, 07:25:21 AM
Terry,
Will all the courses be set up how they will be played for Am World's? Can't wait to play them.
Terry,
I probably won't be able to make it to any events up there prior to worlds. I want to head up to practice, but I 've read that the courses are not open yet. Do you know when/if the courses will be open for casual play so I can at least play the courses a couple times?
Here is what I have been mailing out today regarding the courses:
Milwaukee County Disc Golf Courses Need Your Help!
Brown Deer, Dineen, & Dretzka Disc Golf Courses will NOT put their baskets back in until the necessary work is done.
All 3 of these courses need some work done such as tee pad preparation, debris clearing, and trash pick up. The only way this will get done is if YOU help out the club.
Work days are Tuesday nights and Saturdays. Please contact Mark Peterson so you can come and help out: 262-224-5824
Both online and mail in registrations are coming in on a daily basis now. I even went out to the PDGA schedule to start playing around with pool assignments tonight. I am planning on a large crowd in many of the divisions. Of course the Advanced Divisions will be huge.
Please mail in or get online and get signed up asap for this event. It will be a good time!
Ter
Do you have an "idea" of who is playing what course/when?
Pin placements at the courses?
Hey Serg,
I'm just about to post a similar message in response to Bruce on the PDGA message board.
Until I get a little better idea of the numbers I really can't even guess too much as to where and when each group will be playing. Those decisions will have to be made once the courses are 100% complete (which they aren't yet) and once we get a better feel of the numbers.
It probably sounds lame but the pins won't be extremely hard nor extremely easy - they will be somewhere in between. Thanks for already signing up.
Ter
Quote from: SERG on May 08, 2007, 06:44:42 AM
Do you have an "idea" of who is playing what course/when?
Pin placements at the courses?
Here is what I just posted on the PDGA Discussion Board:
Great questions Bruce.
I can tell you what I'm currently PLANNING. As with every event of this (potential) size this is very much still subject to change depending on actual turnout in each pool.
Here is my current plan:
Pool A - All professional divisions
Pool B - Intermediates, Juniors, Recs
Pool C - Advanced Men
Pool D - Other other advanced divisons
HOWEVER ... if we do not have at least 50 (or so) per pool these might be condensed into only 3 pools.
I hope you guys can make it.
Ter
I'm such an idiot. I saw "Am Worlds Preview" and I thought it was a thread to read for Am Worlds announcements. I didn't read anything on the thread; I just posted.
I wanted to know about was pool assignments for Am Worlds. If junior girls are with the women, we can play. If they are with the junior boys, we don't have a transportation solution, unless Kiralyn decides to girl-up and play Adv Women. I was going to suggest she girl up and play 16 and under, instead of 13 and under, because she beat Rebecca in Peoria but has never played these other girls.
Our Worlds alternate plan is they stay at girls camp for another week and I play Worlds alone. I don't know if I would have much fun on my own.
Just short of two weeks away and we have close to 70 pre-registered. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344)
Four different courses over the span of two days is pretty sweet. The prices are very reasonable for a PDGA B-Tier. In fact, comparing these prices to many other A and B tiers you will find we are offering more golf for your dollar than most of the events out there. I'm excited to have a huge Advanced field as well as other fun stuff like a flymart on Saturday night at the host hotel. There will be special incentives for showing up to that.
We also are working on raffling a 'Holsten' basket. Everyone out there knows these are some of the nicest baskets on the planet so look for more details on that.
Please feel free to register quickly and easily online using Take Flight Today (http://www.takeflighttoday.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=108) or save a few bucks and download the flyer (http://www.widiscsports.com/assets/gmoFlyer.pdf) and mail it in. In order to finalize pool assignments and make the event run more smoothly we want everyone to get registered by Thursday, May 24th (or be subject to the $10 late fee).
Our custom Innova order will be arriving in a few days so we will have plenty of product to choose from.
PS - Don't forget one of the best Am only events in the country is just the following weekend in Sussex. Mike Batka's Wham Bam Thank You Am (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=637210&an=0&page=0#Post637210) is just a few days after the GMO. Come to the Milwaukee area for the GMO then practice Sussex on Monday. Show up a few days later for Mike's event and win that one too!
Ter
Any ideas of who is playing what course/when?
Will basket placements be available this weekend? Read info about this on PDGA
Not sure yet on the pools and where and when they will be playing each course. That really just comes down to pre-registration. I wish we were at 200 people right now and I could finalize all of those decisions but with only about 70 people spanning 4 pools it's hard to say how things will shake out. This is just another reason how pre-registering helps ensure a smoothly run event.
My above post mentioned 4 (or possibly only 3) pools and that's still the case.
Brown Deer's pins are in but they were randomly thrown in this past weekend with no thought of the event.
The plan was to put Dretzka's pins in today but I'm not sure if that is going to happen or not (it's not my call). If they go in, they will be pretty close to what you will see at the GMO.
Ter
Quote from: SERG on May 15, 2007, 11:24:48 AM
Any ideas of who is playing what course/when?
Will basket placements be available this weekend? Read info about this on PDGA
Up to 96 people pre-registered (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344) and that doesn't even count the two dozen that have said, "The check is in the mail" or "I'll catch you at league this week."
Mail is still cool but just remember that if you are handing it to my anytime after Thursday then you will be incurring the late fee. I've been advertising for this event for quite a while now so there is no excuse to not print out your entry form and get it in the mail tomorrow!
The advanced division is steadily growing. One entire pool to themselves right now and we have a cap of 72 per pool.
Quote from: discglfr on April 25, 2007, 07:19:28 AM
QuoteWe are only about a month away before Milwaukee will be hosting a PDGA B-tier event that is featured on the Wisconsin Disc Golf Tour and will also be your preview to the 2007 Am Worlds (http://www.2007amworlds.com) .
We will be running all 4 courses over a 2 day period which should really give you a taste of what you will see in July. I have secured an 'off season' rate with the Four Points Sheraton Brown Deer (http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=949) which is the same primary host hotel we are using for Am Worlds. You MUST CALL in to reserve that price and use the code GMO when doing so. The number is: 414.355.8585.
Online registration is quick and easy and can be found on my website, Take Flight Today (http://www.takeflighttoday.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=108). On Tuesday, April 24th I received 8 online registrations in one day. I think that's a pretty good indicator that we might reach our max capacity of 288 total players for this event.
The list of pre-registered players (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344) will be updated frequently. If you wish to download and mail in a registration form (http://www.widiscsports.com/assets/gmoFlyer.pdf) you can do so as well.
Many thanks go out to the sponsors that have already signed on with the event including, Innova (http://www.innovadiscs.com), Lifetime Disc Sports (http://www.lifetimediscsports.com), Woodchuck Hard Cider (http://www.woodchuck.com), Milwaukee County Parks (http://www.countyparks.com), and The Great Lakes Disc Golf Club (http://www.gldgc.com).
One final note - ALL of the courses need some work before this event can happen so please contact Mark Peterson (262-224-5824) or myself about future workdays (mainly on Tuesday nights and Saturdays).
Just a reminder ... we are capping the pools at 72 each. That means that only the first 72 advanced players to pre-register will be in the C-Pool. The rest will be going into another pool.
Everything is still a numbers game right now. People keep asking about the pools and assignments but I can't nail too much down because of the (lack of) pre-registration. Help the event out and get signed up now.
I just updated pre-registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6344) and we are up to 129. That means I took in 28 registrations just in the last 48 hours! I even had a refund in that mix.
Sorry that I missed it on the website but player's meeting is at 9:15 at Dretzka on Saturday morning - all divisions, all pools.
An e-mail to all registered players will come out in the next 24 hours. It will have even more event details.
Ter
Quote from: discglfr on May 20, 2007, 08:51:37 AMI have secured an 'off season' rate with the Four Points Sheraton Brown Deer (http://www.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=949) which is the same primary host hotel we are using for Am Worlds. You MUST CALL in to reserve that price and use the code GMO when doing so. The number is: 414.355.8585.
Has anybody done this? I tried calling the hotel this evening. They have availability, but no one knew anything about "GMO" or special rates. They told me to call back in the morning and talk to Annette. ::)
so let's hear some reviews of the courses from those who played this weekend....?
Dretzka Old---This course is played from the short tees, with a mix of pin placements. Its a pretty simple, deuce or die type course from the shorts.
Dretzka New---Had some fun and interesting holes. Mostly open with a few tight holes in the woods. This is also a short, deuce or die type course.
Dineen---Very open holes. A few with some length. Deuce or die course.
Brown Deer---ALOT of tight tunnel shots, with a few longer open holes. This course is alot of fun and will really challenge everybody. This is a great course.
Nice shooting Dan. It looks like Michler is back. Was Brown Deer the course where par was a1000+ round?
Congrats to Dana on back to back B tier victories!
I was really excited to see some Illinois disc golfers show up this past weekend for the event.
Congrats to Barrett White, Dana Vicich, Paul Pazazin, and Gary Camp for all winning their respective divisions.
Ter
I'm not taking any personal offense to these courses so please don't read my post that way but ... I don't necessarily agree with the idea that they are really "deuce or die" with regards Dretzka Old, New, or Dineen. If that's really the case then I think about 99% of the participants 'died' while trying to play them.
I consider courses like Vollrath, Bevier, or West Park "deuce or die" because if you don't deuce 65 to 80% of the holes you have no chance of cashing. This even holds true from a pro perspective where Mike Schwieger had some of the hottest rounds and still didn't get more than than 60% deuces.
Did they play as challenging as they possibly could have? Certainly not. However, I don't think I'd label them deuce or die IMHO.
As a major part of this Am Worlds Preview I will be entering nearly 12,500 scores into a spreadsheet to look at each hole's score distribution. From there the PDGA will decide if it is a good idea to move any of the pin locations (where applicable). I'll keep you guys posted.
PS - The advanced winner, Dana, went 15 under on those 3 courses. That's an average of 5 under per course. Does that scream deuce or die? If you were arguing from Schwieger's perspective you see that he shot -30 for those same 3 courses. That's pretty good golf (as shown by the unofficial ratings) and those scores are still far less than if he played 54 holes at Vollrath or West Park.
Ter
Quote from: Dan Michler on May 28, 2007, 07:03:43 PM
Dretzka Old---This course is played from the short tees, with a mix of pin placements. Its a pretty simple, deuce or die type course from the shorts.
Dretzka New---Had some fun and interesting holes. Mostly open with a few tight holes in the woods. This is also a short, deuce or die type course.
Dineen---Very open holes. A few with some length. Deuce or die course.
Brown Deer---ALOT of tight tunnel shots, with a few longer open holes. This course is alot of fun and will really challenge everybody. This is a great course.
I wasn't attacking the courses at all. I like some deuce or die courses. I guess I consider any course where I have to shoot atleast a few under par to have a decent round in advanced a "deuce or die" course. I'm sure alot of people will enjoy these courses, and those same people better get some deuces or they will die :D
Obviously they aren't the Des Moines courses where par is 1000 rated golf. Do I wish that they were? I guess so. But its going to be an AWESOME time for everybody who plays. I can't wait!
Also, I doubt its easy to run a tourney on 4 courses simultaneously, and the GMO was run very smoothly and timely with no problems that I was aware of. Terry did an excellent job.
I think it's also easy to underestimate the other courses when Brown Deer is soooo much harder than the others. On their own, Dineen and Dretzka are nice, challenging courses (I would never call Dretzka a deuce or die, btw). When played right after or before Brown Deer, they seem a little easier than they really are. Then again, compared to Brown Deer, every course I've ever played is easy. I guess I'm with a lot of others in wishing that a lot more courses would be more like Brown Deer and less like Dineen. Either way, I can't wait until worlds and a below par score on any of those courses during worlds will have me thrilled.
i dont think i am underestimating them. last year at fairfield, -6 was 1000 rated. at dretzka old and new, -7 is 1000 rated. i would say fairfield is comparable in score to both of the dretzka courses, and the numbers from last week would agree with me. maybe that isn't deuce or die golf, i don't know. obviously dretzka has alot of different setups and could go from a course you must shoot under par at to a course you would like to shoot par at.
It has been a while since I played Dretzka and I haven't played Brown since before it was pulled years ago so I assume it has been redesigned not to mention I don't remember it very well.
Just commenting on the deuce or die thoughts. To me a deuce or die hole is a hole where a majority of the field can reach the basket and throwing straight at the basket is the preferred route. In my opinion a deuce or die hole offers little or no risk vs reward shots. So, a 300 foot hole where the basket is on a hill leading down to a lake/ob where there is a small landing area in front of the basket and a safer, larger landing area short and to the right of the basket, would not, by my definition, be a deuce or die hole. You have a risk vs reward for going for the deuce and you have a choice of a safer drive to go for the long putt or pick up the three.
In my opinion, deuce or die courses should not be in a Worlds but do not mistake this post for having an opinion on the courses being played. Just because someone can shoot under par threes does not mean that the course is not worthy.
It would be nice to get away from par 3 courses for Worlds but is just not realistic at this time. There aren't enough non-par 3 courses yet.
You'll like the Kalamazoo worlds next year then Jon! Timber Ridge is par 66 I believe and with the changes at Meyer Broadway and Oshtemo, there are a ton of tough holes with some good distance. Kimball Pines also adds a lot of difficulty with the setup there.
Quote from: Dan Michler on May 29, 2007, 05:20:01 AM
Also, I doubt its easy to run a tourney on 4 courses simultaneously, and the GMO was run very smoothly and timely with no problems that I was aware of. Terry did an excellent job.
Terry and Lifetime Disc Sports did a tremendous job running the event. I wasn't aware of any "real" problems that arose. We were done each day in a timely manner and the awards ran smooth and quick! I know people really appreciated being able to get back on the road early.
Brown Deer will only get more difficult. The woods aren't fully grown in yet. The best score of -3 by Fernando Brown (a 1000+ rated player) shows you the difficulty of this course. I believe most of the holes here were even the shorter positions. The Great Lakes Disc Golf Club, Terry and Mark did a great job on the design (and re-design) of this course. In my opinion, the best course right now in Milwaukee.
I think the Dretzka Old course had a great mixure of hole locations. Baskets 2 and/or 3 could be moved to make someone really earn a birdie. Hole 13 could be moved higher on the hill making a hyzer (rhbh) more challenging. These changes could take away a few more birdies off someone's card.
Either way, I had a great time and look forward to Worlds...As we seen this weekend, home course doesn't mean a thing.
I had a great time at the GMO, and agree with the posts above in congratulating Terry on a well run event. Brown Deer is definately the highlight course, but the combination of the four courses offered a good test for the amateur field as a whole. Taken together, there was some challenge for better players while avoiding major frustration for those less skilled. A quick look at the amateur results shows a good spread of scores with a mean advanced rated score right around even par. The few issues that arose (course maps, tees at Dineen) are being addressed before Worlds.
The trophies were sweet, and it was nice to see a reasonable rec payout, especially given the small rec field.
Thanks, Terry!