I'm sure this is on pdga.org somewhere, but i couldn't find it, so I'm being lazy instead.
Does anyone know when the submission deadline is for rounds to count toward this ratings update? I'm trying to figure out which tournaments are likely to count in this one.
Typically it's two weeks prior. Hopefully tournaments like the IL States will be submitted in a more timely manner than last year.
The last two IOS events will be in on time.
Thanks guys.
Don't B tiers have to be in within 72 hours?
30 days, but the PDGA doesn't flex their muscles on this.
Quote from: J.R. on July 18, 2007, 10:26:49 AM
Thanks guys.
Don't B tiers have to be in within 72 hours?
B tiers used to be required to report results within 72 hours and the TD report within a month. David Gentry and I always disagreed on what "report results within 72 hours" meant but I think they took that wording out altogether. I always took it to mean just posting online and David wanted the part of the TD report that had the results. Both David and I realized the argument was academic because the PDGA has never enforced any of these TD deadlines.
thanks to Adoni's efforts I'm betting that IL States will get in a *lot* earlier this year... ;)
Quote from: krupicka on July 18, 2007, 10:48:44 AM
30 days, but the PDGA doesn't flex their muscles on this.
I admit it, I flaked one year and did not send in the results from a "B" tier for three months. The PDGA sent me a letter telling me my name would be on a list in the next DGWN and that I'd have trouble getting a date approved for that tournament the next year if I didn't send my stuff in. That was about it from the PDGA.
However...when the issue of DGWN came out that should have had the results and they were not included, I was cursed by everyone who played in the tournament every time I showed my face at a course until the next issue of DGWN came out. Of course, that issue of DGWN was late (as usual) and it seemed like I listened to people complain forever. That was much more effective than the letter from the PDGA. After that I made sure the results went in the Monday after the tournament.
But I was a pretty lousy TD and that was back in the day when you would see "A" tiers on the list of tournaments that had not turned in their stuff on time. Things have improved a lot since then.
I just got an e-mail from the PDGA HQ saying I never paid my fees from an April doubles thing I ran. I was sure I had paid them on line but my credit card company said it never happened.
Back on topic, I did Kelsey's next rating based on the assumption that they will get Am Worlds unscrewed for ratings. If they do get it unscrewed, she's going to 906.
yea there real screwed up cuz i never threw as good as 1003 or as bad as 835
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I went up 6 pts
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I was a bit puzzled that my 2nd Dineen round - which wasn't good by any standard - got such a brutal rating, but otherwise everything else looks reasonable, if a bit lower than I had figured.
At least I've broken 890 finally, for the moment anyhow.
There's some juice in those ratings. My unofficials were about 20-30 points lower than officials at Crystal Lake. Still AM IV.
The Worlds ratings came out lower than what I got by running them through the ratings calculator.
Moving up the charts to number 5 from number 10, Kelsey Brakel.
Kira is now rated over 800.
Up one point to 914. Any upward movement is better then I expected after worlds. I was expecting to go the other way in a rocket ship.
I also thoguht my Dineen round was rated lower than it should have been Damon.
Up 1 point to 932!!! Only 10 pts lower than 12 months ago and 25 points lower than 18 months ago. Atleast I am consistently inconsistent. Seriously, not that anybody cares, but I have 15 rounds over 960 and 15 rounds under 900. Highest round 1012, Lowest round 839. I have no idea what my problem is.
I am up to a new alltime high of 70 rounds in the database which means I have defnitely earned my rating.
Quote from: krupicka on August 28, 2007, 05:20:15 AM
There's some juice in those ratings. My unofficials were about 20-30 points lower than officials at Crystal Lake.
I noted the same thing. I simply do not understand what behind the scenes tweaking is done.
Quote from: Top Banana on August 28, 2007, 06:32:09 AM
Kira is now rated over 800.
Two years ago Kelsey's rating was 804. Kira is 4 years younger than Kelsey. You do the math! ;D
Up 5 points, which isn't much but I wanted to keep from sliding into the Rec division (I was at 875) Once Indiana States & the Invitational are applied I'll probably go back down though. :-\
Quote from: Top Banana on August 28, 2007, 06:32:09 AM
The Worlds ratings came out lower than what I got by running them through the ratings calculator.
In general my official ratings for Worlds were about 10 pts lower per round, except for that one round, which was 26 pts worse and therefore smells funny. That made my average 10 pts lower for Worlds than I thought it would be. :P
Also kind of strange that almost all of my other rounds this period were a couple of points within what the unofficial ratings were.
My official ratings for Am worlds were all lower than my unofficial which is probably because I was in pools that got screwed on the weather for the whole tourney.
I don't know how, but my rating went up 2 points this time. I was for sure that after worlds I would be back under 915 again. Some of my ratings for Worlds were a bit lower than the unofficial, but were generally pretty close. But any improvement will be taken with a smile ;D
Yea the worlds ratings were all jacked up. I went up this update to the highest I've been before so I'm happy about that!
up 4, in november i should go up 10 or so
Well, since getting most of my right arm back, I've kind of peaked at 940. I'm trying to decide if I should (a) practice or (b) deal with it. I'm not really a Type A kind of guy.
mine stayed the same
as no IL state or IN state were included
i didnt expect the Invitational to make it
can someone PM me how this stuff is sent to Pdga
i swear i saw someone keypunching everything at mokena
just curious is all
They may have been doing online scoring, but the event isn't included in ratings updates until the TD report is submitted prior to the deadline *and* the event is paid.
Here's the break down: (for this example TD is the TD or anyone that the TD designates to do a particular step. For the purposes of the IOS we have a consortium of TDs that share TD responsibilities. The consortium consists of Bruce, Brett and me.)
1) A blank TD report is e-mailed to TDs at the beginning of the year and is available before any event.
2) [OPTIONAL for most events] TD fills in players into the "scores" tab as people register and uploads that to the PDGA online tool so that pre-reg players show up online in the PDGA tour page (for the IOS, Brett does this)
3) [OPTIONAL for most events] Sometime after the event the TD enters results and uploads them to the PDGA online tool so that people can see results and unofficial results online (at the IOS this is done by Scary Mike and/or me and we usually do it at the course before awards)
4) The TD submits the TD report (two reports for each IOS event! Lucky me!!) with full results including: pro and am payouts, entry fees, course use fees, CTP payouts, ace pool results, $5 day member fee, memberships collected, $2/$3 per person PDGA fees, course layout and distances for each round, weather conditions, DNFs, ams who played pro and declined cash, disqualifications, etc. (at IOS events this is done by me. My goal is to have this submitted by the end of the next weekend but I will always do whatever I need to do to get it in before the next ratings update. The PDGA requires the report and fees to be in within 30 days. They send a reminder around 45 days. ::) Not that I'VE ever been that late!)
So, even though you see online results fairly fast at some events, they might not get in for the ratings update if the TD is slower with the full TD report. I hope this is more information than anyone wanted to know about this process.
A lot of work!
Playing IOS events gets us spoiled and then when someone isn't as quick with results it seems as if they're dropping the ball by comparison.
Lumber Cup was submitted in a decent time frame so I'd expect the same of IL States.
The Olympia Fields results got in in a decent amount of time too (compared to previous years), so I'd expect to see IN States to get submitted in approx the same amount of time.
Heartfelt thanks from me to the Brakels, Brett, Mike, and everyone else that helps IOS events run so smoothly.
dont forget brian went to pro worlds after the T
i knew there were several steps but obviously the last is very detailed/cumbersome
no complaints from me as i know my game
i putt like ms north carolina answers questions
still lots of thanks to gary and the joliet guys and brian and the indiana guys
for all the hard word
if it wasnt for them i would nt have courses to play
I've always been curious but haven't had the inclination to ask if they ever really do anything with some of that info. Like the weather info (if it's really bad they may not use it for ratings), aces hit, DNFs (it's in the scores tab already but they ask to explain each DNF...as if I know! Sometimes I remember "Oh, that dude went to his sister's wedding!" but usually I don't know why someone DNF'd), etc.
The weather info is now used for ratings. A recent change in the ratings calcs is that they are going to merge rounds on the same layout for ratings purposes unless there is a big weather difference between them. I think the DNF explanation is there if they need to follow up for 804.05.
btw Last year IL states didn't go official until January. Hopefully the wait isn't as long this year.
Quote from: krupicka on August 29, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
btw Last year IL states didn't go official until January. Hopefully the wait isn't as long this year.
I hope it never goes official. I tanked that one. ;)
Quote from: krupicka on August 29, 2007, 07:14:49 AM
The weather info is now used for ratings. A recent change in the ratings calcs is that they are going to merge rounds on the same layout for ratings purposes unless there is a big weather difference between them. I think the DNF
aha. That partly explains the weirdness w/ Am Worlds. Tuesday was clear & calm, Thursday was a monsoon for part of the day, but if you played the same course on those days the ratings are the same. Not sure what constitutes a 'big weather difference', but I think that would qualify. They apparently ignored it, and avg scores were nearly 2 shots higher on Thursday for my division.
Ah well, I'm really bored at work and this is the wrong place to be complaining anyhow.... ::)
Quote from: damonshort on August 28, 2007, 04:50:03 AM
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I went up 6 pts
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I just got an email from PDGA that my rating had been adjusted due to 'corrections received'.
Looks like they decided not to rate the Pickle Open (X-tier) after all. I was surprised that they initially had, since they didn't last year (but had the years before).
I didn't see anything else offhand in the rating details that looked any different.
Anyhow, I gained another whole point!! Although this news about the Pickle probably won't make McManus happy.... 8)
Quote from: damonshort on September 17, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: damonshort on August 28, 2007, 04:50:03 AM
[minor woo-hoo]
I went up 6 pts
[/minor woo-hoo]
I just got an email from PDGA that my rating had been adjusted due to 'corrections received'.
Looks like they decided not to rate the Pickle Open (X-tier) after all. I was surprised that they initially had, since they didn't last year (but had the years before).
I didn't see anything else offhand in the rating details that looked any different.
Anyhow, I gained another whole point!! Although this news about the Pickle probably won't make McManus happy.... 8)
Have a few more rounds like yesterday afternoon and get a couple more of these "adjustments" and you'll get to be a donor in Advanced!
Quote from: Chainmeister on September 17, 2007, 10:37:08 AM
Have a few more rounds like yesterday afternoon and get a couple more of these "adjustments" and you'll get to be a donor in Advanced!
I want my own division, dammit.
Quote from: damonshort on September 17, 2007, 11:56:29 AM
I want my own division, dammit.
When you turn 70 in a couple of years, you'll have one. :D