The offense didn't look too good, but the special teams and defense looks as nice as the standings. I can't believe Fox couldn't wait another minute before they cut away to the other game.
Green Bay Packers 1 0 0 1.000
Minnesota Vikings 1 0 0 1.000
Detroit Lions 1 0 0 1.000
Chicago Bears 0 1 0 .000
Ha! I loved thinking about all the pissed off cheeseheads when FOX cut away from that game :D
The Bears are definitely in solo last place. I just hope 15 games is enough time to make up this deficit over these 3 juggernauts in our division. ::)
It's been a while but I look for the Packers to move to 2-0 with a win over the Giants. If they do, the Pack will have a very nice six game winning streak. Winning six in a row doesn't count in the record book, but it does show that they have improved as a team from their horrible start last year.
GO PACKERS!
off to a great start. the offense finally got it together against a good defense. the question now is are the packers really this good or are the chargers just way overrated? with this mediocre NFC conference and this crappy north division i think the pack have almost book there spot in the playoffs. fearless prediction: packers win division with a steller 10-6 record. :thumbsup:
Packers really need their running game to actually show up and then I think they have a great chance at taking the north. I wear my packers shirt at work today with great pride (being 1 of 2 packers fans willing to admit they are a packers fan here at least). If the Vasher/Briggs/Harris injuries are serious enough to take them out for a couple of games, that is going to cripple the Bears for a while. Unless the Bears do something about Grossman (and find success when doing it), then they have no chance to stay afloat. Right now their offense cannot support their injured defense, and it leaves the door wide open for the Packers.
The Oct 7th Bears @ Packers game is going to be one interesting game to watch.
I think that the Packers can go better than 10-6 this year. If you look at the schedule I think they have a good chance of going 12-4. The Packers have all their divisional games, which I think they can go at least 4-2. Their remaining non-divisonal opponents are: Redskins, Broncos, Chiefs, Panthers Cowboys, Raiders, and Rams. Right now I think 5-2 against this group looks like it is a possiblity. It is tough not to get too excited, it is a long season and many things can happen, but right now is a great time to be a Packer fan.
They do need to develop some type of running game. Hopefully, they can move the ball on the ground against the Vikings.
Favre's playing very good this season. 4-0 woo hoo! :)
any gambling bears fans out there want to bet on this game?. loser pays the other guys entry fee at ios round lake? ;D
Quote from: discpro99 on October 03, 2007, 11:42:26 AM
any gambling bears fans out there want to bet on this game?. loser pays the other guys entry fee at ios round lake? ;D
Are you giving any points or strait up on this bet?
Quote from: discpro99 on September 24, 2007, 10:24:13 AM
off to a great start. the offense finally got it together against a good defense. the question now is are the packers really this good or are the chargers just way overrated? with this mediocre NFC conference and this crappy north division i think the pack have almost book there spot in the playoffs. fearless prediction: packers win division with a steller 10-6 record. :thumbsup:
Lets not forget about the pesky Lions over the lake. Green Bay plays at detroit on Thanksgiving and Detroit always plays good on Thanksgiving. Hopefully the Lions and the Packers can make this a fun division to watch this year.
i'm not betting on the Bears unless you give me 28 points.
Quote from: DiscCrazy on October 03, 2007, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: discpro99 on October 03, 2007, 11:42:26 AM
any gambling bears fans out there want to bet on this game?. loser pays the other guys entry fee at ios round lake? ;D
Are you giving any points or strait up on this bet?
I tried to bet with you on this game and I got no responce.
So....Does anyone else want to bet on the Bears and Pakcers for entry fee at IOS#6. If any one wants to bet let me know or PM me. I want the bears plus 3 1/2 points. The 1/2 is so there is no ties. The real spread is only 3. The loser payes for Saturday Advance trophey only entry fee ($18). If anyone taking the bet is playing a different division or not playing trophey only and I lose, you get $18 towards your entry fee. Any takers? Only one bet...first come first serve. :pottytrain2:
Quote from: DiscCrazy on October 05, 2007, 08:02:09 AM
Quote from: DiscCrazy on October 03, 2007, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: discpro99 on October 03, 2007, 11:42:26 AM
any gambling bears fans out there want to bet on this game?. loser pays the other guys entry fee at ios round lake? ;D
Are you giving any points or strait up on this bet?
I tried to bet with you on this game and I got no responce.
So....Does anyone else want to bet on the Bears and Pakcers for entry fee at IOS#6. If any one wants to bet let me know or PM me. I want the bears plus 3 1/2 points. The 1/2 is so there is no ties. The real spread is only 3. The loser payes for Saturday Advance trophey only entry fee ($18). If anyone taking the bet is playing a different division or not playing trophey only and I lose, you get $18 towards your entry fee. Any takers? Only one bet...first come first serve. :pottytrain2:
I'm willing to take this bet.
Ok...Now were talkin...are the terms ok with you?
damn i should have taken the bet too! i knew the packers weren't for real. the Bears still suck, the Packers just sucked even more last night. Griese looked alot better in game #2. Favre looked Grossman-like.
The Bears have not lost at Lambeau field in two years. Why start now? I don't think I have ever watched a 4-0 team self-destruct like the Packers did last night. After watching the first half of that game I said to my self, wow what a stupid bet I made. Then the second half started and half way thru the third quarter I said, wow what a great bet I made. Thanks for the bet Tom. See you at the IOS #6.
Bears :s-redeemer: Packers
you cant blame this loss on brett, and to call him grossman like is way out of line. the guy was like 14-17 for 200+yards in the first half and 2 of those incompetions were spikes to stop the clock b4 half time. that doesnt sound like grossman to me. if your going to blame anybody its got to be coach mcarthy. he was out coached the 2nd half by lovie. and when the opposing team has 2 safteys deep and 7 men in the box (THE WHOLE 2ND HALF) while your up by 10pts and you cant run the ball to secure the win is pathetic. i was ashamed to be a packer fan last night and have to watch that dabacal. mcarthy should be fired.
Let's not overreact discpro, McCarthy didn't cause those three fumbles and Brett's ??? INT. He also did not cause any of the 100 penaties the Packers committed. Granted, his play-calling was not to win, but there were so many other factors of why we lost.
The Packers played horrible football and still hung with the Bears til the last play. They are the youngest team in the league and have time to correct their mistakes.
Well I would have to disagree with you about the have time to correct their mistakes. I do not see Brett Farve ever having another great year like the one he is having this year. If the Packers want to make it anywhere in the playoffs, because we all know how good the central division is, then the packers have to fix all mistakes this now. Either way it was by far one of the worst football games as far as penalties and mistakes by both teams that I have see in a long time by either the Bears or the Packers.
Great game! What a couple of great TD passes. 6-1 with a legitimate chance to do much better. A win in Kansas City next week would be huge. The Packers got their running game going tonight, let's see them do it against a team that can defend the run.
It was nice to see ESPN show that 99 TD pass against the Bears a couple of times tonight, I never get tired of seeing that one.
Favre might be the Climo of football. Just when you think he might be done he comes back and wastes everybody.
Me either, brother. I knew the Pack was gonna go deep in overtime, but I did't think it would be the first play. Also, if they plan on doing anything in the post-season the stupid penalties have to go. I believe this is the second time thus year that the Pack has had back-to-back penalties at the goalline. Granted, they still got points, but not the # they want. Without a running game ( ESPN said they have the worst running offense in th NFL) these points are going to be needed.
7 & 1 baby! Hell Yeah!!!!
As a Bears fan i'm actually hoping the Packers win a Super Bowl because I will gurantee Favre will retire after that. I can't wait until Aaron Roger is the starting QB or maybe even the 3rd QB of ???. Oh that's right. There is no 3rd QB on the roster. I hope you bitches enjoy these days cause they will be over soon.
On a bright note for the NFC North which gets put down alot, they were 3-0 vs. the best 3 teams in the AFC West this weekend.
Pack 33-22 over KC
Det 44-7 over Denver
Minn 35-17 over SD
After the Pats and Colts, this league is wide open.
P.S. Mirth......Lets not forget who put that '1' in your 7-1 record :o
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 05, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
On a bright note for the NFC North which gets put down alot, they were 3-0 vs. the best 3 teams in the AFC West this weekend.
Pack 33-22 over KC
Det 44-7 over Denver
Minn 35-17 over SD
After the Pats and Colts, this league is wide open.
P.S. Mirth......Lets not forget who put that '1' in your 7-1 record :o
I still can't believe how the coaches changed the game plan in that game. Tillman played a great game forcing turnovers. Oh well, the Packers will have another shot at the Bears in December. The NFC North is much improved. Packers and Lions on Thanksgiving Day should be a very good game. The Packers have a tough time on Thanksgiving even when the Lions aren't playing well.
Check out SI.com, they have all thirty-two NFL teams listed as far as best experience at their stadiums. Any guess which team/stadium provides the best overall fan experience? Great article.
Quote from: Tom McManus on November 07, 2007, 03:47:24 PM
Check out SI.com, they have all thirty-two NFL teams listed as far as best experience at their stadiums. Any guess which team/stadium provides the best overall fan experience? Great article.
How many people out there are actually going to NFL games? With only 8 home games a year, the opportunities are very limited and tickets hard to come by for people of limited wealth like myself. The NFL is getting more and more popular because what people really care about most is sitting at home and watching what their fantasy players are doing on Sunday. Speaking of which, I can't believe Maroney hasn't scored a frickin TD the entire season for me. Everybody on that team has scored atleast 5 TDs at this point. Leave it to me to pick the 1 starter on New England who gets no endzone looks. Belichick is killing me!
8-1. 34-0 against the Vikings. The ball did bounce in the Packers direction today. Their last td should have been an interception. But they had their running game going and they shut down Peterson which was huge.
The Packer's defense has really led to their resurgence.
man by the time I got in my car from mapping out Bevier the game was already over. Wish I didn't miss this one! Maybe it's good incentive to buy either a Tivo or something similar :) Recording on a VCR requires too much work lol.
2 weeks in a row Favre was over 350 yards passing. Last 5 games over 300 yards.
20 completions in a row is a career record set today by Favre. Packer's defense looks like they went to sleep a little in the 4th but finished out the game strong. :wav:
Now, if only I had the NFL network to see next Thursday's game.... :cussing:
The Thursday night game against the Cowboys should be a good game. Most likely it will determine home field advantage through the playoffs. There were some tough games in the nineties when the Packers lost to the Cowboys in what seemed about 6 years in a row.
I hope that Woodson isn't too seriously injured, the Packers will need him to cover Owens. In the last 15 years, besides the Elway touchdown in the Super Bowl, the Owens catch was the most painful play against the Packers. I do not like seeing that play on NFL's Greatest Games. He cried like a baby after he made that catch, and I wanted to.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 05, 2007, 05:41:22 PM
As a Bears fan i'm actually hoping the Packers win a Super Bowl because I will gurantee Favre will retire after that. I can't wait until Aaron Roger is the starting QB or maybe even the 3rd QB of ???. Oh that's right. There is no 3rd QB on the roster. I hope you bitches enjoy these days cause they will be over soon.
well winning the super bowl agaian yes again not like last year when the bears got spanked lol might make farve come back for a chance to repeat and speaking of whining when bretts gone just like the bears fan whinind when walter retired be a while since you had a running back like him hey as i was glad to see him retire just like barry sandersso the way brets playing i se maybe 2 more years before he hangs it up for sitting on his tractor and i think brett will get dans all time record against the bears i just think it be fitting to do it in your house just like him breaking the TD record in the dome of horrors for him so what da bears playing for now draft picks or the easy schedule for next year
reg-waters, if you don't start using some periods i'm going to have a seizure.
Lol! Punctuation is key.
Get your NFL network bitches. Order up Directv in a hurry. I'll have fun watching Dallas beat up on the cheeseheads.
Week 17 matchup could be interesting on NFL Network. Pats vs NYG. Possible history in the books?
Packers over Dallas by 10+
I don't know which side is right, cable or the NFL. I just know it doesn't do either side any good not to show these games to the most amount of people possible. This game would most likey be one of the highly watched cable programs ever. The New England game would be even higher if they are still undefeated at that point in the season.
I hope you are right Taylor. That would be sweet.
Favre is 0-8 @Dallas. I see this one 24-20 Dallas.
Are you willing to bet on that score? Or is anyone else willing to bet on the game. Maybe just a friendly bet of $20? The current line is Dallas -7. I will take Dallas if anyone wants Green Bay. Here's your chance to get your $20 back Tom. ;D
I don't know about playoffs, but Favre hasn't played in Dallas since when, something like 1999? That was the most recent game I could find - 11/14/1999. 0-8 is a meaningless statistic just as much as me saying the last time the Packers played the Cowboys the Packers won 41-20 in Lambeau. It's a different year, different players. I'm cautiously optimistic about tonight's game, but overall really, I'm going to try to enjoy tonight (please let the officials call the game decently), and I'm going to enjoy the rest of the Packers season.
A win for GB tonight I think means clinching a tie for 1st, kinda nice to get that wrapped up in week 13 :)
Past performance is no guarantee of future returns. ;D
Well I have to leave for home. I guess no one likes the Packers that much....LOL Just kidding GO PACKERS
Favre looking Grossman good right now.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 29, 2007, 06:23:28 PM
Favre looking Grossman good right now.
We get to find out what the Pack will look without Favre. Who goes in if Rogers gets hurt?
Packers gave it a run. Rogers hit the underneath routes & the YAC was in effect. Had Favre not been throwing the deep ball maybe the result would have been different.
the Pack could not stop Romo watsoever. On the bright side for GB, Dalllas had a rough time stopping the Packers except for the times that Favre did it for them. The Cowboys are clearly the class of the NFC.
I enjoyed watching the game, although I really would like to see a rematch where the packers have their defensive guys back (ESPECIALLY Charles Woodson) and also have Brett for the full game. Going to be one crazy championship game if things continue as they are right now.
I can't wait to watch this *probable* rematch in the playoffs..... Looks like the road to the Super Bowl will go though Texas Stadium...
Lets not forget how good Romo was last year and his no hand magee act when he funmle the feild goal snap last year. Yeah i know he is not the holder anymore and yes the Cowbows are a ton better but Romo still has to prove he can play in the playoffs. I do hope to see the remach myself and think the game would have been a lot different if Farve played the way he has been playing all year.
Very nice to see Brett receive the SI Sportsman of the Year Award. Great choice and a very nice article. It is nice to see a football player win the award, it doesn't happen very often.
Playoffs!
0-2 vs the Bears this year !!!
The Pack looked like they had their minds on Christmas shopping
rather than the game.
Maybe Brett F should have kept his mouth shut about
Bear qb's - everyone in the NFL knows you shouldnt
pi$$ off Kyle Orton.
good luck at Dallas where Farve is 0-9. ( if you get that far)
Da Bears !!!!!
Hah, I knew this would be coming from someone at some point. Congratulations Lovie, you succeeded at your primary goal - defeating the Packers. Perhaps you'd like to elevate winning the Super Bowl to your primary goal at some point.
Oh yeah, Kyle Orton completely *obliterated* the Packers. 8 for 14 with 101 yards and a TD. Phenomenal numbers. Keep it up man, 1st string all the way.
Props to the Bears special teams. They are the main reason for the Bears victory. I wanted to go out there and pummel those guys myself watching that stuff get blocked. I don't know who screwed it up for the Packers, but they need to fix that.
Kinda glad that the Packers will have to go to Dallas - taking the weather elements out of it is good practice for the neutral setting of Arizona. Good luck to the Packers, hope they make it there.
As for the Bears... well, enjoy the games from the couch this year.
i attended this past sunday's bears-pack game and man was that a blast. of course, i am not a very bright man, but damn that was fun. probably the third coldest game i've ever been to, and did i mention there was a slight wind coming in from the west.
i took a die-hard packer fan (and newby disc golfer) who lives in colorado to the game, and we sat in the south end zone. we had a wager (dinner) on the game. we were both feeling so sure about the outcome that while dining at gibson's the night before (it was my birthday), i went ahead and picked up the check, anticipating a shellacking of the bears. now my buddy has to reimburse me for the dinner i picked up and he owes me one to boot. he's taking me to lambeau this sunday for the packers finale against detroit. i think we'll be hitting favre's steakhouse post-game. it'll be porterhouse and martini time...
anyhow, good luck to those in the playoffs, and to everyone else: there is always next year (unless you root for the cubs).
Quote from: stpitner on December 25, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
As for the Bears... well, enjoy the games from the couch this year.
Because if they had made the playoffs I was going to be enjoying the games from the sideline? :unsure:
Quote from: Silicon Avatar on December 26, 2007, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: stpitner on December 25, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
As for the Bears... well, enjoy the games from the couch this year.
Because if they had made the playoffs I was going to be enjoying the games from the sideline? :unsure:
sorry, that was in reference to the men that are already on the sidelines currently for the Bears. Should read: "as for the Bears
players..."
@#$^@#$%^@#$%@#!$%#^ The packers game is going to be Sat, Jan 12th at 3:30. That's the same day as the Ice Bowl Tournament!
Guess I'm going to have to see if I can find something to get that signal in while I'm waiting for everyone to come in from playing the second round!
Frizzle Frazzle!!! That suks!!!!
guess I'll have to bring the TV in or something!
What a great time to be a Packer fan. I liked the Lambeau Leap cam that they had in the stands. Go Giants!!!
Spike, that Bears/Packers game must have been a great game to go to being a Bears fan. I was thinking about going, I am so glad that I didn't. Did you make it up to Lambeau and go to Favre's Steakhouse? The Packers with their second stringers put a hurt on the Lions.
sad day to be a packer fan. now the favre sagga continues. i think he will be suited up in green and gold come 08' season, but part of me dont think so. :'(
Alright, I think I have had enough time to grieve before posting here, so here we go.
I cannot believe how the Giants hand wrapped the game for the Pack and yet they managed to give it away. If not for the ineptitude of the offense in the second half, they should have won the game easily. Not to mention the awful play of Al Harris on the receiving core as well. They had a total of 3 incompletions the entire game when he was thrown at. You cannot expect to win a game if the opposing team catches everything thrown at them. Granted there were a couple of great throw that were placed perfectly, but Al was turned around on quite a few of them as well.
Oh well, next year right?
From my friend in Milwaukee, Farve has stated that there is an 85% chance he will be back next year as well. I have heard multiple times that he believes the youth on this team can get to the promised land nest year. Let's see...
2 interesting nuggets that I've heard recently:
1) During the game they said that Al Harris was quoted to say that Plaxico Burress is the hardest wide out that he has ever faced... that was definitely proven on Sunday.
2) I heard sometime during the week the comment that ever since Jeremy Shockey has been hurt Eli Manning hasn't sucked. That's a very interesting thought. Maybe Eli always felt pressured to throw to Shockey or something, but with him gone things have surprisingly gone very well...
Pack didn't deserve that one the way they played 2nd half. I'm VERY surprised that even with the NY front line that they still didn't pound the ball with Grant.
Hopefully it will be warmer on Feb 3rd and I can go throw some rounds... won't have any desire to watch TV, that's for sure.
I totally agree with you Scott!
The Giants are going to get crushed by the Patriots, unless for some miraculous reason, they decide to study the tapes from a few weeks ago, and figure out some way to stop Laurence Mauroney. Otherwise, we will continue to hear about "Destiny's Team"! I am getting so sick of hearing that the Patriots are the best team ever. What can I say? I am still not over Sunday's loss.
NO need to watch the SuperBowl this year. Disc Golf? Of Course!
Now now, the Super Bowl is always a fun evening, if not just for the commercials. I'm sure most of us would even watch it if it was the Ravens vs. the Dolphins or something horrible like that!
I personally thought Sunday's Packer game was awesome! That was domination from start to finish by the Giants (just look at time of possession and total yardage). The Packers got some serious luck to even be in the game much less make it to OT. Its not every day you get a DB to fall down and give you a 90 yard TD when you couldn't even move the ball before that.
'06 Bears NFC Champions and 1-1 vs. the Packers.
'07 Packers NFC title game losers and 0-2 vs. the Bears
I'm definitely not going to say the Giants have NO chance to win. Did they not just play this same team a few weeks ago when the only team with real motivation to win the game was the PATS?? Only a late 4th quarter drive got the Pats a 38-35 win. The Pats have not really dominated either team they have played in the playoffs even with home field advantage. The next game is on neutral ground. I'm not calling for a blowout as the Pats haven't really been blowing teams out other than the Steelers and Dolphins since Week 11.
I predict the Pats win, but in a close game. The Giants will definitely cover the 2 TD spread.
Just wondering. How many were suprised that there was not a booth review of the ball that Plaxico Burriss appeared to catch just before the end of the first half. He hit the ground and the ball squirted out. I think he caught it, conttrolled it and the ball was down by contact on the two yard line. I think the Pack got lucky on that call.
I will admit that I was rooting for Tyne to miss the third kick because I wanted to see if Coughlin's head would explode. I agree with Dan- Pats win but Giants cover.
Quote from: Chainmeister on January 22, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
Just wondering. How many were suprised that there was not a booth review of the ball that Plaxico Burriss appeared to catch just before the end of the first half. He hit the ground and the ball squirted out. I think he caught it, conttrolled it and the ball was down by contact on the two yard line. I think the Pack got lucky on that call.
I will admit that I was rooting for Tyne to miss the third kick because I wanted to see if Coughlin's head would explode. I agree with Dan- Pats win but Giants cover.
If I remember the play, there was something with it that made it to be a type of play that could not be challenged or reviewed and the on-field call is what stays. It was really confusing, but something about a receiver diving for a ball that was jarred out by hitting the ground and not by contact from another player means that it can't be reviewed. If someone has studied up the rules of when a play could be challenged or not, feel free to shed some light on the situation!
Quote from: stpitner on January 22, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Chainmeister on January 22, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
Just wondering. How many were suprised that there was not a booth review of the ball that Plaxico Burriss appeared to catch just before the end of the first half. He hit the ground and the ball squirted out. I think he caught it, conttrolled it and the ball was down by contact on the two yard line. I think the Pack got lucky on that call.
I will admit that I was rooting for Tyne to miss the third kick because I wanted to see if Coughlin's head would explode. I agree with Dan- Pats win but Giants cover.
If I remember the play, there was something with it that made it to be a type of play that could not be challenged or reviewed and the on-field call is what stays. It was really confusing, but something about a receiver diving for a ball that was jarred out by hitting the ground and not by contact from another player means that it can't be reviewed. If someone has studied up the rules of when a play could be challenged or not, feel free to shed some light on the situation!
In the last two minutes the coaches cannot demand a review. However, the review official can decide to do so. If the reciever has posession before he hits the ground its a catch. If he has possession and hits the ground and the ball pops out due to the impact with the ground (which is what happened) its not a fumble but the ball is simply down where it hit. That is what it looked like to me and that is why I was surprised that the review offical did not decide to look at it again.
The catch defnitely could have been challenged. Whether or not a ball is caught and controlled is always challengable. Fumbles can't be reviewed if the play is whistled dead when the runner hits the ground. I think this is why you see the refs let alot of plays go that they would otherwise say the runner was down before the ball came out. If they let it go, then you can always look at the video and get it right.
I think they should make pass interference and catches where the receiver is pushed out of bounds before his feet come down reviewable plays in the future. Also, they should just go to the college system and let all plays be reviewed by officals in the booth. Forget challenges. This way is much quicker.
It was a great season for the Packers. This may have been the season that I have enjoyed the most in 50 years of being a Packer fan. It was completely unexpected. I didn't expect the Packers to do much at all and they exceeded my expectations tenfold. Brett broke some major records this year including the one I didn't think he would get, which was the most yardage.
Sure he broke the record for most interceptions, but with all his other records that one was bound to fall too. At least he kept throwing. The Packers have been lucky to have such a great quarterback all these years. I am hoping that he comes back next year but who knows.
As far as the game went, it was disappointing to be sure, but at least it wasn't heartbreaking. The Packers didn't play well on offense or defense, they were lucky to be in the game at all. The Giants played well and the Packers were playing catch up all night. I thought they were on the bad end of a couple of calls but I will have to watch the game to see the replays.
I am disappointed that they lost, but I am extremely happy that they had the year that they did.
That was an exciting game. Packer fans should be happy they lost. It will save them the embarassment of playing the Patriots. The AFC is dominant and the Patriots will make history.
I hope Brett Favre retires after this one. It would be great seeing him go out with an Interception. I want all the Packer fans to feel the pain of not having a hall of fame quarterback running the show.
Aaron Rodgers for HOF in 2025!!!
Quote from: Chainmeister on January 22, 2008, 09:34:32 AM
Quote from: stpitner on January 22, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
Quote from: Chainmeister on January 22, 2008, 09:02:16 AM
Just wondering. How many were suprised that there was not a booth review of the ball that Plaxico Burriss appeared to catch just before the end of the first half. He hit the ground and the ball squirted out. I think he caught it, conttrolled it and the ball was down by contact on the two yard line. I think the Pack got lucky on that call.
I will admit that I was rooting for Tyne to miss the third kick because I wanted to see if Coughlin's head would explode. I agree with Dan- Pats win but Giants cover.
If I remember the play, there was something with it that made it to be a type of play that could not be challenged or reviewed and the on-field call is what stays. It was really confusing, but something about a receiver diving for a ball that was jarred out by hitting the ground and not by contact from another player means that it can't be reviewed. If someone has studied up the rules of when a play could be challenged or not, feel free to shed some light on the situation!
In the last two minutes the coaches cannot demand a review. However, the review official can decide to do so. If the reciever has posession before he hits the ground its a catch. If he has possession and hits the ground and the ball pops out due to the impact with the ground (which is what happened) its not a fumble but the ball is simply down where it hit. That is what it looked like to me and that is why I was surprised that the review offical did not decide to look at it again.
Dave and Scott,
The rule as I understand it now, is that if the receiver dives for the ball, the reciever must a) control the ball in the air and b) maintain possesion after hitting the ground. If it was the old rule of simple possession, that would have been a fumble by Burress (as he was not touched by anyone on the Packers) and it would have been Packers ball.
Stenky....
P.S. The Pack were completely outplayed in that game. The better team that day won the game.
I changed my mind, the Pats are going to annihilate the Giants even though I'd like to see the Giants win.
Pats 45
Giants 17
Stick a fork in Favre! Here comes A Rogers baby ;D.
sad day in packer land today. see you guys in canton in 5 years. :'(
Quote from: CEValkyrie on March 04, 2008, 08:04:03 AM
Stick a fork in Favre! Here comes A Rogers baby ;D.
not worried at all about A Rog taking over. he has looked sharp every time he has been in a game. he kinda remindes me of Carson Plamer. hey at least we dont have to put up with rex grossman for another year. ;D
He gone!
A fitting end for a man I have spent 15 years hating. His last pass was an interception in overtime that lost the game. Something I can treasure forever.
Quote from: Dan Michler on March 04, 2008, 04:33:03 PM
A fitting end for a man I have spent 15 years hating. His last pass was an interception in overtime that lost the game. Something I can treasure forever.
HATE is such a strong word for the best quaterback of all time. Just look at the records.Thats all that needs to be said.
Quote from: discpro99 on March 05, 2008, 07:38:47 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on March 04, 2008, 04:33:03 PM
A fitting end for a man I have spent 15 years hating. His last pass was an interception in overtime that lost the game. Something I can treasure forever.
HATE is such a strong word for the best quaterback of all time. Just look at the records.Thats all that needs to be said.
I don't know about best of all time. What about Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas. I would maybe say he is the best of the new age quarterbacks. Nobody dominated the game like Montana and Unitas did. Records or not I think Favre is third best of
all time.
You are insane. Montana won Super Bowls on a great offensive and defensive team. I don't put him in my top 5 QB's of alltime. Favre threw way too many interceptions (most alltime) that cost his team games to be considered up there with those guys. Favre only had his great seasons when the Packers had a great running game which took the pressure off of him and allowed him to rack up all those 1 yd TD passes that they loved to run in the late 90's. I'm not saying Favre isn't obviously a Hall of Famer, I'm just saying he isn't a top 5 QB of alltime.
You can't look just at numbers because the rules and the game have changed drastically over the years into a passing league. But for pure skill as a QB over the course of an entire career, I would rank Dan Marino as the best ever. He single handedly made the Dolphins a competitive team year in and year out when they rarely had anything else to compliment him, whether it be a defense, a great WR, or a running game.
I would also rank Steve Young, Elway, and Warren Moon definitely above those guys as well. Once Peyton Manning is done, I think he will be considered the best ever. Tom Brady is currently the new Joe Montana to me. We'll see if he puts up any more monster years like last year to be considered the best of alltime.
Now I have to say that you are insane because anybody that put Warren Moon in a group with the other guys is crazy! I can list many quarterback other than the one's you have here that were way better that Moon. Like Terry Bradshaw, Bob Griese, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton. If I really though about it I could probably list more.
Regardless of how good the offense and defense is or was. Favre and Montana dominated the game when the played. If you believe in what you are saying, "Montana won Super Bowls on a great offensive and defensive team" and "Favre only had his great seasons when the Packers had a great running game which took the pressure off of him and allowed him to rack up all those 1 yd TD passes that they loved to run in the late 90's". Then every sports analysts and sports reporter is wrong, because there say the opposite of you. They think that these guys are what made those teams so great. They think that if you had any other quarterback then they wouldn't have been half as good. Farve brought the Packers back last year to being a great team. If any other quarterback was on that team they wouldn't have even have made the playoffs! Last year the Packers had a horrible running game and still did very well, all based on the arm and knowledge of Favre.
Yes I agree with you, it takes a good offence and defense to be good but that is not what we are talking about here. Favre was a great quarterback and will go down in history as one of the best quarterbacks of all time no matter what.
SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
:D
Quote from: Dan Michler on March 05, 2008, 08:51:34 AM
You are insane. Montana won Super Bowls on a great offensive and defensive team. I don't put him in my top 5 QB's of alltime. Favre threw way too many interceptions (most alltime) that cost his team games to be considered up there with those guys. Favre only had his great seasons when the Packers had a great running game which took the pressure off of him and allowed him to rack up all those 1 yd TD passes that they loved to run in the late 90's. I'm not saying Favre isn't obviously a Hall of Famer, I'm just saying he isn't a top 5 QB of alltime.
You can't look just at numbers because the rules and the game have changed drastically over the years into a passing league. But for pure skill as a QB over the course of an entire career, I would rank Dan Marino as the best ever. He single handedly made the Dolphins a competitive team year in and year out when they rarely had anything else to compliment him, whether it be a defense, a great WR, or a running game.
I would also rank Steve Young, Elway, and Warren Moon definitely above those guys as well. Once Peyton Manning is done, I think he will be considered the best ever. Tom Brady is currently the new Joe Montana to me. We'll see if he puts up any more monster years like last year to be considered the best of alltime.
i want some of what he is smoking O0
BRAGGING RIGHTS RECORD: 90-79-6 IN FAVOR OF DA BEARS GO CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be honest with you I am a Lions fan. I cheer for the worst team in the Division. I just think that credit it due where credit it due. Favre was a great quarterback, along with all these other guys. He is a Hall a Famer that ranks very close to the top of the best quarterbacks of all time. That's all I am saying.
Quote from: DiscCrazy on March 05, 2008, 09:17:37 AM
Now I have to say that you are insane because anybody that put Warren Moon in a group with the other guys is crazy! I can list many quarterback other than the one's you have here that were way better that Moon. Like Terry Bradshaw, Bob Griese, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton. If I really though about it I could probably list more.
Regardless of how good the offense and defense is or was. Favre and Montana dominated the game when the played. If you believe in what you are saying, "Montana won Super Bowls on a great offensive and defensive team" and "Favre only had his great seasons when the Packers had a great running game which took the pressure off of him and allowed him to rack up all those 1 yd TD passes that they loved to run in the late 90's". Then every sports analysts and sports reporter is wrong, because there say the opposite of you. They think that these guys are what made those teams so great. They think that if you had any other quarterback then they wouldn't have been half as good. Farve brought the Packers back last year to being a great team. If any other quarterback was on that team they wouldn't have even have made the playoffs! Last year the Packers had a horrible running game and still did very well, all based on the arm and knowledge of Favre.
Yes I agree with you, it takes a good offence and defense to be good but that is not what we are talking about here. Favre was a great quarterback and will go down in history as one of the best quarterbacks of all time no matter what.
SO DEAL WITH IT!!!!!
:D
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/35424/top_five_nfl_quarterbacks_of_alltime.html
there is a sports writer who agrees with me.
I agree with you that some of the QB's you listed might be better than Warren Moon, but they are all from well before I was born, so I didn't see them play at all so I left them off my list. Moon is one of the most underrated QB's of alltime in my opinion. So it doesn't surprise me that you underrate him as well.
Favre is flat-out NOT the dominant QB of his era. Favre with a career QB rating of 85.6. He NEVER had a season with a QB rating of atleast 100. Steve Young had 6 such seasons and a career rating of 96. Steve Young won the same number of Super Bowls as Brett Favre and was a better passer throughout his entire career which overlapped with most of Favre's career. If Steve Young played for the Packers instead of Favre, they would have been a better team.
You are defending Favre as if I just said he sucked. I believe my post said he is a Hall of Famer, but NOT the greatest of alltime or the 3rd best of alltime as you foolishly claimed. I don't care if you disagree with the players I picked, but I doubt too many 'experts' would put Favre in the top 3 either. I think most Packers fans would even agree that Favre made waaaaaay too many mistakes throughout his career to be considered the best of alltime. Its just ridiculous. Most fans love him because of his wreckless style, not because he was the best; and mostly because they are ignorant Wisconsinites.
SO DEAL WITH IT
;D
I liked the question that was posed on the radio yesterday: with Brett Favre now retired, who's the best QB in the NFC North? Your choices are: Tarvaris Jackson, Jon Kitna, Rex Grossman, and Aaron Rodgers.
That's a more interesting debate than trying to find out where Favre was all time - no one is ever going to be able to be happy with the answer another person says because everyone has different criteria and biases.
I am defending that you said he was not one of the best quarterbacks of all-time. I never said anywhere that you said he sucked. Like I said before, I feel that credit is due where credit is due. Farve broke some many records it is ridiculous not to say that he not one of the best. Just how I feel and what I think along with many sports writes. Maybe they are all from Wisconsin. Who knows?
Everyone has there own opinion and I respect yours. See you on the course!!! :headbang:
The man could though a football but I bet he couldn't play a real sport like Disc Golf!!!! :)
I'm glad you are backing down from saying he is a Top 3 QB then.
You did build a solid argument with 'thats what all the sports writers say'.
Quote from: Sr. on March 05, 2008, 10:39:59 AM
BRAGGING RIGHTS RECORD: 90-79-6 IN FAVOR OF DA BEARS GO CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what does this have to do with anything we are talking about? here is a stat for you Favre is 22-10 against Chicago lifetime with 54 TD passes and a QB rating of 90+. So i would say its IN FAVOR OF FAVRE. GO GREEN BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Farve is retiring. He was a great quarterback. How great? Good question.
Packer fans have a song called "The Bears Suck" . Currently, that song is scarily true.
Bear fans belittle Packer fans for eating too much cheese, drinking too much beer and having ugly wives. I'm not touching that one.
Two years ago the Bears were really good but got beat by the Packers Last year the Packers were really good but got beat (twice) by the Bears.
Am I missing anything?
Never said it had anything to do with what you were talking about. It's about what I was talking about. Only stating facts. Whether it's Forest Gregg or Mike Ditka, BEARS STILL OWN GREEN BAY. WHO'S #1 IN MISTAKES, OOPS I MEAN INTERCEPTIONS? GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright you long-haired Chicago lovin hippie!
When it comes down to numbers, who had the winning record this year? I don't care about overall stats. Who got into the playoffs this last year?
If you want to talk about Favre, The Packers have had only 1 season in which they were below .500 since he took over the reigns as quaterback 17 years ago. How many seasons have the Bears been over that mark in those years? Also, how many QB's have they had?
Anyways, yes it is a sad time for us Packer fans. An era has come to an end. One where we at least knew that the Pack would always have a chance to win (or sometimes lose) a game when he was on the field. With all the comments above, I think even if we can debate who was the best QB of all time, at least we know this about Favre, he was probably the firecest competitor and fun player in the game, for at least my 20+ years of watching the game. All football fans will miss his play, regardless of what team you pull for week in and week out. More players need to play this game for the plain enjoyment of it (kinda like we do with disc golf), not just for the $ aspect of it. This, in part, is why the Patriots have been able to win so many games, they found a core group of guys that wanted to play to win. Money was not at the forefront of their agenda, winning was.
Must of hit a nerve. Like I said BEARS OWN PACKERS!!!! No way around it. I know it hurts but healing will only come when the Packers can beat the BEARS more than the BEARS beat the Packers. Dont hold your breath to long though chances are you wont be around long enough to see it. GO MONSTERS OF THE MIDWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm on the outside looking in on most of the conversations here about sports outside of disc golf, but please be sensible here. In the lifetime of 95% of the participating people here in Discontinuum the Packers have far surpassed the Bears in almost every aspect of the game (except for defense two seasons ago). Let it go and move on. I root for the Lions and have to say this every season, but come on, just let it go. Brett Favre was amazing and right now the Bears are not, plain and simple.
All except head to head wins thats just a fact and your right just let it go.
press confrence with brett favre starts at 11:30 am today. you can see it a packers.com which is streaming live right now if anyone wants to see it.
Here is a solid article that sums up what I'm talking about.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=3281535&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1
He's such a cry baby! I'm surprised he didn't drown in his own tears!!! :'( :'( :'( Grow a pair, will ya! >:D :o ;D