Yeah. This time with passion.
The IOS Fall Summit was very productive.
Things may change in the next 6 hours to 6 months, but this is what we are coalescing around:
A six tournament series with a Worlds break, April through October. A similar schedule with similar venues. Maybe there will be a Brass Cash event in August, but it won't be for IOSeries points.
Saturday: Open, 2, 4.
Sunday: All masters, women, juniors, 1 and 3
That means we'll offer three divisions on Saturday: Open, Am 2 Advanced, and Am 4 Enthusiast. Every other PDGA division will go on Sunday. I think we'll have plenty of gators among the Am 4 Enthusiasts so they will play tees they can be enthusiastic about, but we'll keep an eye on that at each tournament.
No trophy-only in pro divisions. Instead we'll offer "Half in" for the budget plan pros. Half the entry fee, half the payout. When half-ins cash, the half they decline will be paid to the top according to a conceptually simple but verbally complex formula. I'll lay out the rules in the Half In thread.
Ams Playing Pro: Ams can take prizes in pro divisions and stay am. Half-ins are included in this. A half-in am playing pro can take her half in prizes, and stay am, and the other half bumps up as cash [to Barrett!!! ;D ]
We're keeping the pre-reg discount and trophy-only in the amateur divisions. Jon and I hate all the work involved in the surfeit of entry fee options, but we are "The TDs Who Do More."
We want to do something special and different with the Rockford leg. Something grade A quality. We need to talk to the park district and the PDGA. Watch this space. Speculate among yourselves.
Entry fees will be similar to what we were doing this year, or something slightly different. We forgot to discuss that! ::) They won't go up or down significantly.
idk if you have decided on sites or plan to use the same as this year but i think oswego and peoria would be great to include
Yes, another year of trying to get saturdays off :angry:
(terrible pun fully intended here), I'm very "enthusiastic" about moving to Saturdays :) I know my story isn't the same as everyone else - but this Enthusiast greatly prefers playing on a Saturday. It will be cool seeing some of the Pro cards just tearing up a course while the enthusiasts are out there shanking 10 foot putts!
Quote from: Top Banana on October 22, 2007, 08:28:12 AM
Saturday: Open, 2, 4.
Sunday: All masters, women, juniors, 1 and 3
That means we'll offer three divisions on Saturday: Open, Am 2 Advanced, and Am 4 Enthusiast. Every other PDGA division will go on Sunday.
so 'all masters' includes non-pros and all over-40 players?
The way the divisions are laid out. Anyone (except for the young hot shot male pros rated over 985(?)), can play up on the opposite day.
So looks like I'll play pro half-in on Saturday and Expert on Sunday on the weekends that it works out for me!
i would plan on doing the same as Mr. Cimala playing two days is always better than one
Quote from: damonshort on October 22, 2007, 09:53:22 AM
Quote from: Top Banana on October 22, 2007, 08:28:12 AM
Saturday: Open, 2, 4.
Sunday: All masters, women, juniors, 1 and 3
That means we'll offer three divisions on Saturday: Open, Am 2 Advanced, and Am 4 Enthusiast. Every other PDGA division will go on Sunday.
so 'all masters' includes non-pros and all over-40 players?
All masters means all age restricted divisions for older people. Over 40 players can play on Saturday in Open, 2 or 4 if that works for them.
This split divides the field in half as closely as possible based on our past tournaments, is easy to remember, and gives everyone the option to play up a division other day. It also gives some of the women, masters and juniors an opportunity to play in a parallel ratings based division the other day.
I might have to play up a division, although I did my best at Fairfield to bag my way down to Am 2, but i'll be a Saturday player regardless.
so, pro open would be saturday and pro masters on sunday?
yup
Quote from: mirth on October 22, 2007, 12:31:57 PM
so, pro open would be saturday and pro masters on sunday?
i dont know if that would be a good idea due to the fact that open and master players usually travel together.
Quote from: discpro99 on October 22, 2007, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: mirth on October 22, 2007, 12:31:57 PM
so, pro open would be saturday and pro masters on sunday?
i dont know if that would be a good idea due to the fact that open and master players usually travel together.
I don't know how often this happens, but this does give an opportunity for pro masters to play both days if they are so inclined. Also can someone please explain exactly what 1, 2, 3, and 4 represent to minimize possible confusion?
1 = AM1 = Expert Division (PDGA Rating : 935+)
2 = AM2 = Advanced Division (PDGA Rating : 900 - 934)
3 = AM3 = Intermediate Divsion (PDGA Rating: 850 - 899)
4 = AM4 = Enthusiast Division (PDGA Rating: Less than 850)
1 = AM1 = Expert Division (PDGA Rating : any)
2 = AM2 = Advanced Division (PDGA Rating : <935)
3 = AM3 = Intermediate Divsion (PDGA Rating: <900)
4 = AM4 = Enthusiast Division (PDGA Rating: <850)
Just clarifying Scott's post to indicate playing up is allowed. These breaks are for Ams.
heh, I actually had it that way and then changed it because that's what was in the PDF released information from the PDGA.
all I can say is that don't make an AM5. Not playing well enough to even make it out of AM4 is bad enough :P
firmly entrenched in 3 land
i like sundays as i usually go the ball game with the family on sat night
but then other areas do it opposite (joliet)
Some people might have to find other people to ride with, but that is going to be true of any split that evenly divides the field.
Open-2-4 takes away the Pro Masters' opportunity to play the registration game where they see who and how many are in each division and then decide which is their better bet. Maybe they'll start doing that with Expert and Pro Master! :D That was not intended but it is a consequence.
TDs who don't think creatively about how to divide their split-weekend tournaments are going to fill one day and be turning people away while they are half empty the other. For our field, Open-2-4 gives us a clean split on the average and at most tournaments too.
You know it be cool to have tournaments in the winter further south. Be a true Illinois open and not a northern Illinois open series. ;) ;)
O i think sinnissippi park should have a tournament in the IOS Maybe inclufde the joliet area courses.
I think its a bad idea to split the divisions that way. It should be Pro, Am 1 and 2 on saturday. Speed of play i think is the issue. I am the biggest hater of being iced in the world by having 1 slow group holding up the entire field. Plus as far as peoples friends i think it works better that way too.
Quote from: smyith on November 03, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
I think its a bad idea to split the divisions that way. It should be Pro, Am 1 and 2 on saturday. Speed of play i think is the issue. I am the biggest hater of being iced in the world by having 1 slow group holding up the entire field. Plus as far as peoples friends i think it works better that way too.
But it doesn't work for all the players that played the series this year to be able to play next year. We would overfill one day and underfill the other day.
Quote from: smyith on November 03, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
You know it be cool to have tournaments in the winter further south. Be a true Illinois open and not a northern Illinois open series. ;) ;)
O i think sinnissippi park should have a tournament in the IOS Maybe inclufde the joliet area courses.
I think its a bad idea to split the divisions that way. It should be Pro, Am 1 and 2 on saturday. Speed of play i think is the issue. I am the biggest hater of being iced in the world by having 1 slow group holding up the entire field. Plus as far as peoples friends i think it works better that way too.
Or just have a winter tourney as well!
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Or just have a winter tourney as well!
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yes i like that idea, we should have a few in fact...
In past IOS events, were different tees used for the different divisions or do both Saturday and Sunday players play the same layout? If different ones were used, will this change next year as you have various levels on each day (for example: Open players and AM 4 on Saturday both playing long tees at an event)?
Quote from: SERG on November 05, 2007, 08:50:24 AM
In past IOS events, were different tees used for the different divisions or do both Saturday and Sunday players play the same layout? If different ones were used, will this change next year as you have various levels on each day (for example: Open players and AM 4 on Saturday both playing long tees at an event)?
Yeah, this will be a little weird but I vote for having everybody play the same course anyway. Us RecThusiasts will get to play more golf. I would rather play the longer tees and throw more shots than risk having too few gators or have just enough gators and have strange distributions of scores depending on who shot lights out and who shot Uggggly. Both happen in an under 850 division and this will potentially make for strange ratings distributions. If we play the same course as the big boys and big girls we are more likely to get reliable ratings. The only thing I would worry about is a planned water shot that requires 250+ carry. That shot is appropriate for a pro and a lost disc for RecThusiast. I guess you could plan a drop zone such as Lombard #3 or Aurora 6? (not sure which one it is) I will bring a dx driver and throw it into the water or simply go right to the drop zone. ;D Although I made the Aruroa shot last time I played it in 2006.
you can play a safe hyzer with a stable disc to avoid the water at Madison for that you just have to clear like 150'
if the water is down i hope we can do that hole at aurora again it beat me last time but ... it was a good hole
Sometime yesterday the PDGA was going to update the A-tier schedule, but the Illinois Open Series slowed them down. My apologies to the world of disc golfers. The PDGA might be updating today or tomorrow. The Rockford leg of the Illinois Open Series should appear on the updated schedule on September 6 and 7 as a sanctioning pending A-tier. Assuming we tie up the other details,
You will need to join the PDGA to play this tournament.
You might as well get your membership as a Christmas present from someone who loves you and
Avoid paying the new $10 non-member fee at all our B-Cs.
sweet rockford an Atier, thats a good idea, do we get to play 4 rounds then?
all A-Tiers have to be a minimum of a 2-day tournament, so generally speaking, yeah, I would expect to see playing 4 rounds.
Best location to host an A-Tier in this part of Illinois :)
September timeframe could also prove to be MUCH better to play two difficult courses. That humidity in July is brutal! By September it can be bad, but not going to make you feel like you're about to pass out.
I look forward to seeing the rest of the IOS dates!
The plan is for four rounds on three courses over two days at one park, plus some kind of organized doubles thing on Friday. We have not finalized the details with the park district because they want to wait until next year to talk about next year.
We plan on offering all PDGA divisions for which there are competitors, unlike many A-tiers that leave out the lower divisions. Because of the new standards for A-tiers in 2008, we also plan on offering very low pro entry fees and normal A-tier Am entry fees. It is going to be $50 for everyone, if i'm remembering that conversation correctly.
We're working on a lunch plan each day. It might be a "free" lunch or it might be the kind of thing where you pay $2 and get a lunch that would normally cost $6. Whichever, we want to make it possible for people to car pool to the park and then not have to worry about transportation until it is time to go to the hotel or head for home.
Is Rockford putting in a third course, or will it be all temp holes?
All temp.
all temp? as 18 temp holes for the 3rd course?
correct
Woo Hoo! Considering the record of the IOS temp. holes, that'll probably be one tough course. Can't wait for it!
... one tough course with LOTS of poison ivy! :lol:
both of rockfords permanent sides have cement tees now right? and, will the temp course be up/avaiable-to-play before that friday? or would u plan on having a "charity" event to test the quality of the temp course and raise some extra organizational fund money?
also, whats the teepad requirements for A-teirs? do they have to be cement/rubber or does it not matter to the PDGA?
Their are no teepad requirements. The only course like requirements are that the baskets must be PDGA approved and SHOULD be the same type.
i am wholly unqualified to voice my opinion here on this topic, not having played in a single IOS event this year (injury/surgery/travel/business), but here goes anyway. i (as a pro master/sometimes open player) will be disappointed to see masters and open play on different days.
the travel/car pool issue is just one reason.
playing the master/open registration game is another, but for me (not being the most hyper-competitive of players, with my best playing days 20-some years behind me) it is more about with whom to play, than manipulating the system to attain the best chance of a pay-out. there have been numerous tournaments where there may be a 10 or 15 player open field and a 2 or 3 person masters field. personally, i'd rather play in a decent-sized division than just compete against one other schmo, and i would probably attempt to convince said schmo to move with me to open. that is just the way that i think.
another reason is the camaraderie/competition factor. i'd like to play on the same days, from the same tees and in the same conditions as the players at my relative skill level. having the pros playing the same courses/tees as rec players (or the euphemistically renamed "enthusiasts"), is a recipe for discord, if not disaster. pace of play is most certainly going to be an issue, which effects attitude, morale and timely completion of rounds. i really believe that all "professional" fields should play at the same time. playing as a pro master on a different day than the open players makes one feel like less than a pro, or a second-class pro. again, that's just me.
i guess if i were to look for a silver lining in this scenario, it would be that i could play both days, if i choose to, however unlikely that is personally.
anyway, thanks for indulging me, and i hope to play in a lot more events, both IOS and otherwise, this coming year (regardless of the outcome of this decision) and i look forward to seeing many of you on the course.
cheers & happy new year.
I think by putting Pro Masters on a different day from Open we'll see a larger Pro Master field. What we had at several IOS tournaments last year was six or seven pro masters sign up and then bail out one by one to the Open field. Now they can play Open if they want to, but not to the exclusion of playing Pro Master. I think a few will play both days, and the ones who really just want to play Pro Master will know that the Pro Masters have nowhere to bail out to.
I respect your opinion Spike, but unfortunately 3 or 4 people is not much of a division when it comes to adult males. It can't possibly hurt the turn out for Pro Master but it might help.
For trophy discs in 2008 I was thinking of doing geometric designs like this with tournament and place of finish on the rim:
(http://img4.glowfoto.com/images/2007/12/27-1426177102T.jpg) (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1915546)
I can do these pretty easily now. That one is sold.
They would not all be the same design. I don't even think I'd do all the same design for one tournament. Just like I would do different freehand stuff for a set of trophy discs, I'd probably do different geometrics for a set of geometric trophy discs. I'd probably also do some of my favorite cartoon characters. I've decided this is a cost effective way to use up old colormax discs and stuff I get at other TDs' tournaments.
Anyway, I think these are a bit cooler than what I have been doing, and they are no longer hard to do. I can do a lot of the mask preparation, application and removal work while hanging out at the dojo waiting for the karate kid on Thursday nights.
Cool design :)
I like these types of designs on discs. I would keep the trophy lettering small and neat to maintain the coolness of the design.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 01, 2008, 08:48:45 AM
I like these types of designs on discs. I would keep the trophy lettering small and neat to maintain the coolness of the design.
Agreed. Block or type lettering as opposed to hand lettering.
I have a couple of trophy discs and for the most part the dye has faded or bled and what was originally written on there is no longer readable.
Quote from: UMphreak on January 01, 2008, 02:42:45 PM
I have a couple of trophy discs and for the most part the dye has faded or bled and what was originally written on there is no longer readable.
I've quit doing trophy discs on X plastic for that reason. The trophy discs I've done on ESP have remained legible.
Yah I have an esp pulse that you made and it is holding up pretty well. It still looks good on the wall. I am a fan of the first trophy I got, which was the small home made basket made out of a drain cover and some screws and chaings and rubber stopper.
Just wondering. When can we expect a reasonably firm IOS schedule for the year? Also, in a somewhat threadrifting aside-any clue when the club tournament might be held? Just wondering.
I thought we were just one tournament away from having a schedule. Some park districts won't talk about 2008 until 2008. Some people take a week off around the New Year, so today is their Day 1 of being back to work.
any clue when the club tournament might be held?
my vote would be thursday july 3 , 2008
Quote from: Top Banana on January 07, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
I thought we were just one tournament away from having a schedule. Some park districts won't talk about 2008 until 2008. Some people take a week off around the New Year, so today is their Day 1 of being back to work.
Do we have dates yet?
Quote from: tree on January 11, 2008, 11:16:37 PM
Do we have dates yet?
I do; she's very good looking. ;D
LOL :P
Dates have not been finalized yet and it may be a few weeks.
rockford was in the magazine for sept
but not on pdga
if its a two day event
what hotel is closest to park
im sure you'll have dates soon
Quote from: airspuds on January 13, 2008, 07:11:49 AM
rockford was in the magazine for sept
but not on pdga
if its a two day event
what hotel is closest to park
im sure you'll have dates soon
Plenty, but mostly nearer to the highway, about a 5-10 minute drive from the park. I stayed at a Motel 6 two years ago that was pretty cheap but the A/C was crankin!
I think that's all still pretty accurate. Allegedly I have the green light to start submitting sanctioning requests. You should see actual tournament dates and actual tournaments names ;) popping up on PDGA.com starting Monday or so.
Bruce the above post was simply an attempt to increase search engine rankings for those keyphrases in their signature.
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 01, 2008, 09:21:09 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 01, 2008, 08:48:45 AM
I like these types of designs on discs. I would keep the trophy lettering small and neat to maintain the coolness of the design.
Agreed. Block or type lettering as opposed to hand lettering.
This one's a legit post, right? ;D Thinking about block lettering really slowed me down. I'm thinking it is harder and more expensive than I want to tackle. It would definately look cool. The work I do on the trophy discs is donated. Doing sticker mask lettering is more work than I want to do. I like the idea. I'd be all over it if someone else was doing the work! :D
lol, but at least someone making that post helped get some more information cranking on the IOS dates :)
Going to be a VERY busy 2008 for Illinois disc golf, exciting :)
so i been looking at tournaments and noticed that none of them are following the new class divisions? Did they ditch the idea or is it a choice thing?
What tournaments are you looking at? PDGA tournaments have two choices this year: Advanced, Intermediate, Recreational, Novice with the new ratings breaks, or the color system with the same new ratings breaks. I've been calling them Am 1, 2, 3, and 4, because we all know what that means, but I keep forgetting which one is Rec and which one is Nov.
A lot of TDs are not offering Am 4 because they are stupid. Long live stupidity. Am 4s are welcome at IOS events.
So far this year, three tournaments have had participants competing in the Novice division, but only one out of the three has had more than 3 people.
Quote from: Top Banana on January 31, 2008, 10:44:47 PM
I've been calling them Am 1, 2, 3, and 4, because we all know what that means, but I keep forgetting which one is Rec and which one is Nov.
You know what that means, but not
everyone who reads this board does. Since the PDGA results pages refer to it as the divisions as Advanced, Intermediate, Recreational, & Novice, we should all use that nomenclature to avoid confusing anyone looking for answers to FAQ's.
Nevermind i saw the article in DGW that explained the names. I thought the were still going off the elite/expert, advanced, int, novice
12 novice players at today's Abominable snowman event, pretty good start for a not very well advertised division. There is DEFINITELY plenty of confusion with the new rating break points though if you haven't really been paying attention to what is going on.
Using my incredible awesome IOS thread moderator powers, I split off the CFR posts into their own new thread. Look for them there.
Here's some other 2008 IOSeries news:
We're going with "one" entry fee for pros and "one" entry fee for amateurs. I put scare quotes around "one" because we're still having the $5 discount for pre-registering, the $10 added for PDGA non-current players, and the discounted entry fees for Amateur Trophy-Only and Pro Half-In. That right there is eight entry fees for pros and eight entry fees for ams. If we were to have different entry fees for each of the amateur levels of competition, we would have 40 or 48 different entry fees.
This will be a fee increase for lower divisions and a fee decrease for Advanced and a fee no-change for the trophy-only players.
Fees should look something like this:
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SAVE $5.00—PREREGISTER
All Pro Divisions
----- Full Fee -- Half In
ALL: $50 ......... $27
All Amateur Divisions
----- Full Fee -- Trophy Only
B/C $33 ............ $20
A-tier $50 ............ $25
Open, MA2 and MA4 play Saturday.
All other divisons play Sunday.
SAVE $5.00—PREREGISTER
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe Brett will update the misinformation page!
I'm actually working on IOS #1 Trophy discs today. We finally got the green light on our IOS #1 date. I'm using this star patterned geometric for IOS #1:
(http://img4.glowfoto.com/images/2007/12/27-1426208012T.jpg) (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1915547)
The tournament information division and place will be in the dye around the rim. Lower divisions are mostly getting Z XLs. Not sure yet about upper divisions.
I like the idea of doing professional quality lettering, but it was going to make the process too complicated and a little more expensive than I want to go for B/C trophies.
www.Fivetone.com (http://www.fivetone.com) will be sponsoring IOS #2 with 25 $20 gift certificates. We'll probably add these as CTPs, 12 each day, and give one to a volunteer.
I won a $20 gift certificate from fivetone.com last year, and they never shipped my order. >:(
After a long winter, I finally decided to get caught up on disc golf happenings. I just realized today that with the new ratings, I can play rec again! Watch out Mukey!! So with Ben playing MA1 and me playing MA3, we'll still be able to play on the same day. That's a relief with the predicted gas prices and us buying a permanent dwelling.
I asked him about that. He said the item was back ordered at the time and then that supplier quit making that item. He said the gift certificate is still valid if you did not use it on something else. Are our dates on pdga.com yet? I'm running out the door and can't stop to look...
IOS #1 Upper day & IOS #5 are all that I see on pdga.com
Quote from: Schwinn2 on March 18, 2008, 02:07:42 PM
After a long winter, I finally decided to get caught up on disc golf happenings. I just realized today that with the new ratings, I can play rec again! Watch out Mukey!!
Sh*t!! >:D
Seriously though, I've probably had some of the most fun I've ever had playing golf with/against the Schwinns, glad the ratings worked out that way.
I take it the elbow is doing better Marie?