I think ill go up a few points, last fall i played really poorly so with some of those dropping and being replaced with better ones i should be in pretty good shape...
anybody going way up or down?
I don't know, but I think I'll be flirting with the 935 mark that the PDGA is setting up for next year. We'll see.
aurora will probably put you about there
I'm hoping to get up to at least 815 (at 811 right now). I threw an 895 rated round (something close to that) at Bloomington/Normal, but I had a terrible day at IOS #6. I did ok at IOS #5, so I think I'll be moving on up some. I don't know if the DISContinuum challenge ratings will be included for me since I only played 1 of the rounds, but that was a good day for me too.
Yay for finally stringing together some decent rounds. Time to knock out those silly old cruddy rounds!
I thought I was going to go way down, but then I played three rated rounds on "home" courses where I averaged well above my rating. So maybe I'll hold steady. Too low to be pro. Too high to play Adv Master. Although, in Michigan you can never be too high to play Adv Master. Especially after lunch.
As the King (or maybe Court Jester) of playing one round in two round tournaments, they will count the round that you played as long as it isn't out of their standard deviation tolerance.
Quote from: Top Banana on November 12, 2007, 09:25:53 AM
Too high to play Adv Master. Although, in Michigan you can never be too high to play Adv Master. Especially after lunch.
lol
I think I'll hold steady. I've had some good rounds coupled with some baaad rounds that will probably even things out.
I'm just hoping that my play at the Homie was bad enough to get the rounds dropped. It might have been.
Quote from: Mike S on November 12, 2007, 10:53:58 AM
I'm just hoping that my play at the Homie was bad enough to get the rounds dropped. It might have been.
That is not likely to be an issue until next July's update. :P
more likely the update they typically do in January
Quote from: Mike S on November 12, 2007, 10:53:58 AM
I'm just hoping that my play at the Homie was bad enough to get the rounds dropped. It might have been.
there is nothing as satisfying as playing so bad that it doesn't count so that you can have a rating higher than your actual skill level.
I tell random people who know nothing about disc golf that a 932 rating in disc golf is only 100 points off of the best in the world, so I'm pretty damn good considering the average rating must be like 500 to a person who knows nothing about the rating system.
Here I come Intermediate Division.... ;D
ratings are up
i went up 8 pts
augggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
:toothy9:
I'm doing the happy dance :)
Up11 Woohoo. Still AMIV. I'm enthusiastic!
I had a 140 rating point swing from 2nd round of the Discontinuum Tourney to the first round of Aurora. :)
Quote from: krupicka on November 13, 2007, 07:20:27 AM
Up11 Woohoo. Still AMIV. I'm enthusiastic!
not any more you're not. Or did they change it back again?
MA4 is <850. They moved the line up just for me. ;)
But now I'm just considered a Novice. I still say inconsistent is better. :)
Quote from: SERG on November 12, 2007, 02:17:56 PM
Here I come Intermediate Division.... ;D
Guess I'll have to work a little harder to get there...only went down 3 points. Definitely thought I was going to plummet.
Quote from: krupicka on November 13, 2007, 07:50:42 AM
MA4 is <850. They moved the line up just for me. ;)
But now I'm just considered a Novice. I still say inconsistent is better. :)
translation: almost a bagger :) ;)
woooohoooo I had my highest jump ever of +13 to 824. Wow, the B/N round came in at 897, I think that went up 4 points or so. Now if I can only get more rounds like that, I'll be set!
congrats those those who hoped they would move up and did!
I went down 3 to stay within about the same rating area as I have been since my first rating!
mighty nice rating area to stay in though :)
Recreational, here I come!
is there a place where I can download everyone's new rating so that I have a list handy for this weekend? The lack of laptop for instant lookup means I have to go the road of hard copy...
I'm 934. Somehow I'm all of a sudden now seeing the wisdom in having a series rule for ratings! :rolleyes:
my highest rating yet 944, I also got 2 1000 plus ratings on there now. In near back to back weekends. Then you look and see I had one dropped that weekend, wow.
Gratz Brett on a 7 point jump. 7 more & you're 1000-rated!
Quote from: stpitner on November 13, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
is there a place where I can download everyone's new rating so that I have a list handy for this weekend? The lack of laptop for instant lookup means I have to go the road of hard copy...
You'll get a local list of players and their ratings from the PDGA on Thursday. You just print it out. Should be about 75 pages.
Moved up 10 points to 931. I wish that Gary had his tourneys in there. I may have gone up even more.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 13, 2007, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: stpitner on November 13, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
is there a place where I can download everyone's new rating so that I have a list handy for this weekend? The lack of laptop for instant lookup means I have to go the road of hard copy...
You'll get a local list of players and their ratings from the PDGA on Thursday. You just print it out. Should be about 75 pages.
If you want a shorter list to work from you can print out the results from the Discontinuum invitational and a handful of the IOS events and you will likely have everybody who is likely to show up. The results will show current ratings of the players. I took a look at the Invitational results to get a quick look at the usual suspects and see how they are currently rated. On a threaddrifting note-- Scott, I am thinking of playing on Saturday as its a better day for me. Use this as a promo to get some GM's to come-- there is going to be at least one sure fire donor in the field. ;D
Quote from: Chainmeister on November 13, 2007, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on November 13, 2007, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: stpitner on November 13, 2007, 10:10:16 AM
is there a place where I can download everyone's new rating so that I have a list handy for this weekend? The lack of laptop for instant lookup means I have to go the road of hard copy...
You'll get a local list of players and their ratings from the PDGA on Thursday. You just print it out. Should be about 75 pages.
If you want a shorter list to work from you can print out the results from the Discontinuum invitational and a handful of the IOS events and you will likely have everybody who is likely to show up. The results will show current ratings of the players. I took a look at the Invitational results to get a quick look at the usual suspects and see how they are currently rated. On a threaddrifting note-- Scott, I am thinking of playing on Saturday as its a better day for me. Use this as a promo to get some GM's to come-- there is going to be at least one sure fire donor in the field. ;D
Haha, thanks for the promo tip.
I do have to say thanks to anonymous for sending me a list that has all current players from IA, IL, IN, and WI in an excel spreadsheet. I would say who anonymous was, but I don't know if anonymous wants their name revealed hehe :) But anyway, I have a list of all the players from the 4 states, and I can sort that by PDGA # and then I modified it to split first and last name and sort everything by last name too (for those people that can't remember their PDGA #).
I'll also find out Thursday if I get the list from the PDGA, and I hope it's Thursday, not Friday, because then I can print it at work double sided and multiple pages per side if needed (magnifying glass not included :P)
Back on topic, it finally sunk in an hour ago: Kelsey and I are in the same division now! :o ;D
She beat me at Holly Sunday afternoon but I whupped her today at Holly. While I was whupping her she got more birdies than me, made more putts outside the circle than me, and had more drop in putts for birdie than me on 350 foot holes. She cranked a drive 345 feet and parked it on the second hardest hole out there.
Quote from: Top Banana on November 13, 2007, 10:18:29 AM
I'm 934. Somehow I'm all of a sudden now seeing the wisdom in having a series rule for ratings! :rolleyes:
I'm with you there. In addition, it would be nice to know that I can play all year on Saturday and not have to switch days mid-season.
Well, it would work for me personally, but I still don't think it works well for the individual tournaments and the PDGA members with steady lower ratings. At the end of the season you could have guys rated 910 playing 940 rounds in the 850 capped division, and that just wouldn't be right.
If I understand everything correctly, it looks like I'll start the season playing Am 2, unless i get my rating up over the winter, and if I do get my rating up, then i'll be playing Open Half-In.
I'm looking forward to moving up to intermediate women next year :)
I definitely agree we should keep things fair.
One could always make the series rule such that one can stay in their division for a series as long as their rating doesn't bump them up two divisions (or some other arbitrary cap). For example, I will start off in the MA4 division. If my rating goes up to 860, I could continue playing the series in the MA4 division for the IOS. If it went up (by some strange miracle) to 900, I would be given the boot to MA2. Just an idea to explore. It would be a new experience for me to be called bagger. :)
We should consider allowing to play in the lower division for the rest of the season but as trophy only.
Another option. When I started to play up in Wisconsin many moons ago, at league you were required to move up a division if you won 3 weeks in a row. Maybe, if you place at a certain position a number of consecutive tournaments, you are then required to move up to the next higher division?
No offense, but promotion based off wins/position is a bad idea. It depends too much on who shows up rather than based off one's abilities.
I was just throwing out ideas. I actually did not even think from that point of view.
winning isnt always based on whose thier and whose not i mean, Brett beat some 1000 rated guys, (not that he isnt almost there) to win the "Once in a Blue Moon Classic, it thats some ability to do that, well alot of ability
921 thats no good i kinda wanted to play INT for ever guess ill have to work on that.... It would be nice to have all my tourneys on there... Im missing 6 tourneys still and two of those i got first place.... guess ill have to wait till january for brian.C and garys tourneys to get on there. They should change INT to 800-922 what do you guys think???
Quote from: OvEr HaNd AsSaSiN on November 14, 2007, 08:45:07 PM
921 thats no good i kinda wanted to play INT for ever guess ill have to work on that.... It would be nice to have all my tourneys on there... Im missing 6 tourneys still and two of those i got first place.... guess ill have to wait till january for brian.C and garys tourneys to get on there. They should change INT to 800-922 what do you guys think???
Hehe, well, in a way... for 2008 you WILL be playing INT :) But that's just because the new ratings will be 900-934 are INT, 935+ will be advanced. So you get your wish!
You get better by playing with better players. Practice with better players, lose money to better players, play up in tourneys when you can. Hands down you will learn more by playing with people better than you and losing than you will be practicing what you think is a good idea.
Take a grain of salt with that, but something to think about on that line of thought.
Quote from: tacimala on November 14, 2007, 09:36:18 PM
You get better by playing with better players. Practice with better players, lose money to better players, play up in tourneys when you can. Hands down you will learn more by playing with people better than you and losing than you will be practicing what you think is a good idea.
Take a grain of salt with that, but something to think about on that line of thought.
I disagree. I got better the year that I won the series in Rec at the IOS by playing in the top Rec group in the second round every month. Before that when I played Int and was in the last group in the second round no one really cared how they played. I got worse when I hurt my back and gained 50 pounds.
I disagree too, for scientific reasons. Any organism will master skills faster when mastering those skills is rewarded than when it is not. For some players there might be enough reward in shooting two throws better, or getting two birdies they never got before, that the absence of extrinsic rewards will not retard their learning. Most players will learn faster when the extrinsic rewards are there as well.
When I was advocating adding Am IV to the IOS format and to the PDGA format, I was curious if making the PDGA extrinsic reward system applicable to the bottom end of the Rec division would cause players mired down there to improve their game.
Working from the group of players who had a rating in 2006 and played Am IV starting in Kenosha, our average Am IV player improved his or her rating by about 25 points last year from the December 2006 ratings update to the November 2007. As far as I can tell, every one of our Am 4s improved their rating last year. If you throw out the masters and grand masters aged players, who you wouldn't expect a lot of improvement from anyway, the average improvement is close to 30 points.
I think players should play up from time to time, or caddy for the pros, or come out and watch the pros. Humans learn well by mimicry and modeling. I learned a lot the year I caddied for Mark Ellis. So did Kira. But what you learn by watching does not really click until you use it to win or finish in the prizes.
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What I find interesting from a behavioral science perspective is the behavior of advocating playing up.
Here we have a player who has never once played up in a PDGA tournament in his entire PDGA career advocating that you should play up to improve your game. In fact, four or five times in 2006, Taylor played down, playing intermediate with a 945 or 935 rating, presumably under a series rule. He had five win-place-or-show finishes playing down.
I have no problem with a player playing where ever the system puts him. If Larry Labond or whoever has a series rule that lets advanced players play intermediate, so be it. But what is Taylor saying here, "Don't do what I have done for two years. It's not working for me. Do something I don't know anything about. Play up." Or is Taylor saying, "Damn, I've gone from being a decent advanced player to the bottom of the pack in 2008 and my rating has not changed. Hey, all you intermediates, you should play up some to my division!"
I play up about twice a year*, and have done so every year for the last five years. Under local bump rules I had to play up a lot for my second through ninth years of playing tournaments. I know about playing up from playing up. I also know about caddying from caddying. You'll learn more by caddying for a pro than you will by playing up. When you are playing up you are too focussed on your own game to learn much by watching. When you are caddying you are totally focussed on your player's game.
This weekend it only costs $10 more to play up and I'm not a threat to win in Advanced. I'll probably play up. If I beat Jaybird, that will be reward enough!
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*One could argue that I have played up all season being nearly 50 years old and playing Advanced rather than Advanced Master, but I think playing Advanced Master this year would have been playing down for me. I only played advanced master when I was hurting more than usual.
i agree with taylor because:
1. i learn when he takes my money haha
2. Playing with better players makes you focus, makes one want to improve , learn new shots
i will however admit that i tend to play better when i am leading the card, whichever card i am on
second card sneak attack!
The reason I was "playing down" with a high rating is because I joined the PDGA in June or July after playing a few tourneys and frankly didn't even know about the rating breakdown until about August. Pointing me out is a good example of that, but just wanted to add some more detail to it.
Quote from: skipache on November 15, 2007, 08:43:55 AM
i agree with taylor because:
1. i learn when he takes my money haha
2. Playing with better players makes you focus, makes one want to improve , learn new shots
i will however admit that i tend to play better when i am leading the card, whichever card i am on
second card sneak attack!
The flaw in number 2 of course is that you don't usually play with better players if you play up. The first round at best you get put with a random grouping of players and some might be better. The second round you will be playing in the bottom of the division with players of your own caliber (assuming you were actually entered in a division higher than your abilities).
You'll improve faster if play with better players, simply because you can watch what they do, ask questions, and get instant feedback. I'm more inclined to help someone when I'm playing a casual round with him than when I'm in the middle of a tournament. Watching pros during a round and asking for tips at lunch or after the event is a good way to go. Chris Sprague is probably the best example of this in Illinois: He's a good player and he loves to talk about himself after his round!
Quote from: jack on November 15, 2007, 11:22:38 AM
You'll improve faster if play with better players, simply because you can watch what they do, ask questions, and get instant feedback. I'm more inclined to help someone when I'm playing a casual round with him than when I'm in the middle of a tournament. Watching pros during a round and asking for tips at lunch or after the event is a good way to go. Chris Sprague is probably the best example of this in Illinois: He's a good player and he loves to talk about himself after his round!
I agree. But that's completely different from playing up to get better.
Quote from: Silicon Avatar on November 15, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
I agree. But that's completely different from playing up to get better.
Of course it is.
Quote from: jack on November 15, 2007, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: Silicon Avatar on November 15, 2007, 11:37:16 AM
I agree. But that's completely different from playing up to get better.
Of course it is.
Jack,
What is the correct font for sarcasm?
I''ve got to take advantage of playing with better players more often than I currently do, dropped 9 in the latest update, but I was playing horribly towards the end of the year.
Quote from: Tom McManus on November 15, 2007, 12:48:46 PM
Jack,
What is the correct font for sarcasm?
And the punch line is? ;D
Seriously though, for once I wasn't being sarcastic. Playing up a division won't necessarily make someone a better player. Paying attention to what better golfers do, asking questions, and practicing will. Playing up a division is one way to accomplish this, but so is following the lead card or playing a casual round with someone who is good. Just because I play Open doesn't mean that I think everyone else should. If this is going to turn into a discussion on the PDGA divisional structure, I'm going to step aside now because that's just too close to talking politics for my tastes. And, as we all know, politics only exist to give boring people something to talk about at boring parties. ;)
Quote from: jack on November 15, 2007, 11:22:38 AM
Chris Sprague is probably the best example of this in Illinois: He's a good player and he loves to talk about himself after his round!
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Quote from: Tenny Schimo on November 16, 2007, 07:28:14 AM
Quote from: jack on November 15, 2007, 11:22:38 AM
Chris Sprague is probably the best example of this in Illinois: He's a good player and he loves to talk about himself after his round!
After the round,during the round, basically non stop
i would agree with this