Is anybody planning on putting up their Destroyer for this?
http://www.discraft.com/prod_force_e.html (http://www.discraft.com/prod_force_e.html)
if it is fast enough, while playing this winter i relized that i could/possibly would throw all discraft if there max distance driver went as far as a wraith or destroyer, the surge hasnt done that for me....i also hope that it is stabler than the Surge
I'm also in that situation, I'd love to throw all discraft, but I can't get rid of my destroyers just yet, we'll see how this thing flies.
well, with a stability of 2 from discraft, that makes their most stable high speed driver (not counting drone for this comparison). By comparison the Surge is 1.7, Crush 1.8, Pulse 1.9. People frequently compared a Pulse to a TeeRex, so something slightly more stable and faster than a TeeRex is probably gonig to be a comparison to the Force - which would also be the same description used on a Destroyer.
Seemingly has promise, although the promo email that I received about the disc was just sad lol. "A short time from now in a basket far, far away" in the Star Wars intro lettering? c'mon, at least come up with something better lol :)
You still might want your Destroyer for a headwind.
IMHO The Force would have been a better name for a disc that you thread through the trees (ala Endor or the channels of a DeathStar) than something only used out in the open.
2M Womprat Rule
At least they didn't say "this disc travels at lightspeed!"
"when 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not, hmm?"
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on March 05, 2008, 11:39:39 AM
You still might want your Destroyer for a headwind.
A friend in Michigan told me the pros were flipping the protos into a headwind, and they did not come back. What kind of pros and how bad of a headwind were not information he shared, so take it for what it is worth.
The word I heard from Arizona is that they are stable and long. For most players they will fly longer than a Destroyer because they won't fade as hard.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on March 06, 2008, 12:33:16 PM
For most players they will fly longer than a Destroyer because they won't fade as hard.
highly unlikely
QuoteYou still might want your Destroyer for a headwind.
Is this a joke? I started putting my Destroyer back in the bag last year any time there was a hint of wind. That disc is so flippy in the wind. Well, maybe flippy isn't the word for it. It's not easy to get it to turn over, but once it does you pretty much lost your shot because it doesn't come back.
Quote from: discpro99 on March 06, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on March 06, 2008, 12:33:16 PM
For most players they will fly longer than a Destroyer because they won't fade as hard.
highly unlikely
After throwing them, I think the Force is more overstable than the Destroyer.
Most of the reviews out there right now are very conflicting. It looks like there is a lot of variation within the Forces. From what I'm hearing, the lighter ones are overstable, and the heavy ones are flippy. Must be something about the way that the dome sets up or something. I'm sticking with the destroyer. If I'm throwing into enough of a headwind that it flips a Destroyer on a hyzer line, I should probably just be throwing a teebird or firebird and keeping it on the fairway anyways.
Somehow my original post isn't showing up so here's my experience with the Force.
The proto Forces fly pretty straight and flip in a headwind (similar to my experiences with the Destroyer). The production run Forces are pretty overstable. I've got 3-4 of them and they are all 173-174 and are very fast and pretty overstable. I haven't been able to flip mine yet without them coming back. I played this weekend in Libertyville and it s-curved on the 400' hole # 7 with a 20-25 mph headwind. I look at the Force as a faster, slightly less stable MAX right out of the box. I completely trust it into a headwind and it is great for bomb hyzers. Perhaps when it gets beat up a little up it will be a max distance driver but right out of the box, you really have to work to make it fly the 450' I can get out of my surge on a good shot.
Below is a review from one of my sponsored players. With the weather, I've not had a chance to check one out for myself, but here's what he says:
Just had to let you know... I checked out the Force 174 today against my Destroyer and Teerex 175s. It holds a line nearly as straight as a Teerex and cuts through fierce headwinds like a knife. Both upwind and downwind it easily gave me a shade more distance than either the Teerex or Destroyer. Though nothing will ever get the Teerex out of my bag, this disc is a marvel and could easily replace my Destroyer for super-mega-big-D when laserbeam straightness is not needed. Thank you again!
Jason
Who do you sponser?
On his ebay page he says has the same quote attributed to a customer... Hmm Which is it?
Quote from: krupicka on March 19, 2008, 10:30:33 AM
On his ebay page he says has the same quote attributed to a customer... Hmm Which is it?
hmm quite interesting...
I wait to see what the discs do during tournament season. I was standing on hole #9 at Granite Ridge at Highbridge last year. Player in my group throws a bomb about 25 short of this 500foot hole in a stiff wind. I was like damn, was that a Wraith? He goes heck no, I just picked up a Destroyer last night. I went out the next day and bought one.
LOL, He's a kid out of California, J. McGinty. The reason I call him a customer on my eBay store, is if I say the word sponsored, I'll get 15 little kids asking me to sponsor them & they all want to know what they would get free. Hope this clears up any confusion for you?
Jason
Tonight I went out to the condemned golf course and threw a white Star Destroyer, white Star Wraith and a white ESP Force, all in the 172-174 range. Right away I noticed how much less overstable the white Force is compared to the yellow and orange I've thrown previously. The white Force flew like one of the more stable Surges, which is to say it flew just like the Wraith. Both were flipping in the head wind; both were straight with a hyzer finish downwind. The white Destroyer on the other hand was overstable.
They all flew about the same distance. I was not getting anything extra out of any of them. My longest drive down wind paced off at 390 and it was the Force, but on many sets the Wraith was longer and into the wind the Destroyer always won.
Left handed they are all equally useless. ;D
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on March 20, 2008, 06:54:18 PM
Left handed they are all equally useless. ;D
Hey, I resemble that remark!
I played a course today that has several holes where you can reach back and throw with reckless abandon. Unfortunately my Force is white and we had a snowstorm last night. Whenever we reached one of these holes and I had last honors, I'd go spot so that they'd spot for me. I was out throwing Darren Harper and Mike Wildner today when i could throw the Force. When it was Rogue versus Surge versus Wraith or Surge Versus Surge versus Wraith, we were all about the same.
Darren says if the white Forces are straight or maybe even a little flippy they are a mistake. Darren runs one of the Discraft injection plastic molding machines so he should know. But I've noticed that white ESP is always a little less overstable ot a little more understable than the discs of color. My flippy Rogue, flippy Buzzz and former flippy Surge were all white discs. I sold the Surge right out of my bag during a tournament!
Since the white ESP Forces are a mistake that Darren says they are going to correct, they are no longer reasonably for sale. Everything is for sale for a price, but the price has suddenly gotten unreasonable. These are mine. Maybe you can get one from some TD who doesn't know what he has. >:D
couple white ones on ebay
i threw one of mine today and it's definitely fast. unfortunately i was at west park and there aren't many long holes and the footing was very poor so i don't even have a good response on what to expect from this disc!
I was throwing my white one out at Willow Brook today while Tracy and I were designing the permanent course. I was getting a little more out of it than I could get from a Rogue or a Surge, but not a lot more. But it was the same way when i was throwing the Destroyer and the Wraith. I think an 11 speed disc does not do much for a player who doesn't throw faster than 9. 11 speed or 12 speed is just potential, like saying this bike can go 29 mph flat. Yeah, but not with me pedalling it!
This is how we picked basket locations for the redesigned par threes: we both pumped out a good drive towards where we wanted to put the basket. Then we put it a little bit past the better of the two. ;D I was putting for birdie all morning long on those holes.
Mark ellis and some others thought we should bring in the par 3s a little to make for more birdie twos so I think the permanent course will be better that way.