Have you guys heard anything about the X-Caliber? I see it was approved on the 13th.
Thanks,
Jason
Never heard of it, but I just checked out the specs on the PDGA list. It seems like it will be a slightly more stable TeeRex.
It is a more stable version of the Destroyer.
i heard its more stable than a destroyer and has a 12 rated speed. Sun king sent me an email and they will be in stock on April 3rd.
I had a chance to talk to my sales rep today & he confirmed that the disc is like a more stable Destroyer that will handle the wind.
He mentioned that they are experimenting with recycled plastic for some of them. I'll probably place an order on Friday for 30-40 of them.
Jason
Here's the info I received today: The disc sounds like a faster TeeRex to me. The Rating from Innova is 12-4-0-4.
The XCaliber is a very fast stable to overstable long distance driver. The XCaliber is a more stable version of the Destroyer. The flight characteristic of the XCaliber is a lot like a Max with more speed and more glide. Like the Destroyer, it is great for sidearm throwers and those with lots of power. Can handle headwinds and throws with off axis torque. Not recommended for beginning players. Available weights from 170 - 175 grams. This disc is also available in EcoStar plastic in very limited quantities.
At Innova, we are trying to do our part. Eco-plastic reduces fossil fuel usage and saves landfill space for real trash. Eco-Plastic discs are molded from pre-consumer waste, not post-consumer waste. We take our overweight discs and other rejects and grind them. The grind is then blended and re-pelletized to produce Eco-Plastic. Currently all EcoStar discs are a recognizable mint green color and are made from 50% to 100% EcoStar material. The weight range and availability of EcoStar discs is currently limited. We are working to provide EcoStar in other disc models and additional colors.
The reprocessed DX material has been used in Aviar Putters. The colors is a shade of brown similar to mocha.
Thanks,
Jason
LOL,
So my Product update says the disc rating is 12-4-0-4 & on the site they have the rating listed as 12-5-0-4, I wonder which one is correct, I'm guessing the 12-5-0-4 , They also have it listed as a Destroyer.
Brief Description:The XCaliber is for those who have got to have the biggest and the baddest. Extremely fast with glide and stability. This is the one for confident bombs in windy conditions.
Available Plastics: Star
Best Choice for: Serious power players. Maximum Distance. Long hyzers. Headwind drives. Sidearm shots for distance. Advanced players looking for a stable, wind fighting distance disc.
About the Destroyer <-------
The XCaliber is for those who have got to have the biggest and the baddest. Extremely fast with glide and stability. This is the one for confident bombs in windy conditions. The XCaliber has the stability to let the biggest arms throw with full power. If you have a cannon for an arm, you'll want an XCaliber. Great disc for sidearm throwers and those with lots of power. Can handle headwinds and throws with off axis torque. Definitely not designed for beginning players.
Jason
So now I'm going to have to replace my Destroyers once I see everybody bombing the XCaliber???
I just GOT my destroyers in the bag dammit!!!! Atleast wait a year or 2 before coming out with a faster disc.
They gave some out to Innova Team Members while at the Memorial. The ones I got are blank and in a mint green colored (Echo) plastic. I was too scurrred to throw them because they sound way to fast. Just kidding - I didn't want to throw them because they are prototypes and I figure some day they'll make for great trade bait.
I will have some of these for the Wisconsin Tour Warm Up in Janesville. I'm also willing to take orders if people need to get their hands on some. I hope to have them by Tuesday the 1st or possibly the 2nd. Let me know if you want any.
Ter
Quote from: Dan Michler on March 29, 2008, 06:28:34 AM
So now I'm going to have to replace my Destroyers once I see everybody bombing the XCaliber???
I just GOT my destroyers in the bag dammit!!!! Atleast wait a year or 2 before coming out with a faster disc.
A faster disc for me is like a faster car, and I'm stuck in Chicago traffic! I have a nine or ten speed arm. A disc that is faster than that won't be any faster if i throw it.
I picked one up in Bowling Green but haven't thrown it yet. It pretty much just feels like a Destroyer to me.
Got one at BG. I got to throw it today at Lovers Lane and Keriakis. Pretty sweet disc, just like everyone says its just a more stable Destroyer, holds up alot better into a headwind than the Destroyer.
Ter,
please hold a couple of max weight x-cals for me, eco if you have them. thanks.
My brother e-mailed me about these & said something great about Innova:
"Ahhh, frickin' Innova. If I didn't like their discs so much I'd boycott them for their crap marketing and slight modification of discs....the latest greatest fastest farthest disc since...... the last one we released"
My feelings exactly 8)
The thing about these faster discs is that they don't have engines in them. They are faster only if you are faster. For most of us, according to Dave Dunnipace, they will just be more overstable. He thinks if you aren't able to throw 400 with a Wraith consistently, you're not getting any more with a Destroyer.
Nonetheless, I'll buy them and sell them to the players looking for the magic disc.
I guess I disagree with that assessment of disc speed based on my experience.
To me, a faster disc may not necessarily be your farthest flying disc in your bag, but it will get from point A to point B in the shortest period of time no matter what your arm speed is. This makes for a larger margin of error. I will reach 350 feet more consistently with a Destroyer than I will with a Wraith because poorly thrown shots are still getting out there. When I am in a field throwing all my discs, sometimes an Orc goes the farthest, sometimes a Wraith, sometimes a Roadrunner. But the Destroyers have the most consistent distance of all the drivers in my bag (which I believe is due to the speed at which they travel).
I'm fine with you believing that. It sells discs if 10 speed throwers think they can get more with a 12 speed disc.
It is not what Dave Dunnipace is talking about when Innova says a disc is 10 speed or 11 speed or whatever. This is what Dave Dunnipace says "speed" means in Innova terminology on the "Speed" thread. I've bolded the parts that make my point about speed discs being like racing bikes, only as fast as the dude pedalling it:
"Speed is related directly to drag. This is most notable when throwing upwind. Speed is not related to stability. Speed is indirectly related to distance. Downwind, speed per se is not much help compared to glide. Upwind, speed is everything. Speed discs need a fast thrower to make them effective. The heavier a speed disc is, the more effective it is into the wind, provided the thrower is strong enough and fast enough. This is also true of overhead shots and rollers. Distance throwers rarely use speed discs unless it is in a combination with glide (like a Pro Wraith), and usually then in lower weights."
"Speed discs are more ballistic and are operated properly by more force."
"Higher speed is basically lower wind resistance. Glide is the element you are missing. Glide is what allows the disc to fly. Glide is lift. Speed with glide certainly does equate to more distance provided the disc can be thrown at the same initial velocity. That is not a certainty as many people cannot properly grip the wider rimmed discs. Wraiths, TeeRexes, and Maxes are all fast discs, but the Max is a speed disc, because it doesn't have the lift of the other two. The lift allows a disc to be thrown at lower velocities. It can then fly like a wing. Speed discs penetrate through the air more like a stone than a wing. This is all relative of course. A Max does have lift, but not enough to be operated at slow speeds. A Max can be thrown very well at high speeds, but at lower speeds it crashes and burns."
And the best way to get more arm speed is to commit to fast twitch muscle training :jerk: dont forget the kleenex
Obviously a Max will crash and burn at slow speeds due to it being a very overstable disc.
I think my arm speed is pretty consistent from shot to shot. My trajectory is not as consistent. So if I throw a low flat shot with a slower speed disc that glides nicely, it may go as far or farther than a higher speed disc of approximately the same stability. But if I throw a bad shot that goes a little too high with too much hyzer, which disc will get out there farther? For me, the Destroyer or other discs like it, make throwing for distance into a strong headwind a much easier task than it ever used to be. Standing on Hole 1 at Fairfield with a strong headwind used to look like a much more difficult task than it does now with a Pro Destroyer in my hand.
Hopefully they will come out with one that goes where I want it to go.
hehe, yeah, the Innova Called Shot.
I've realized recently that I'm having a lot more success snapping off a toss with my Sidewinder than anything else. I still can't throw much further than 250-275', sometimes around 290' if my back is feeling well, but I can throw the sidewinder close to 220 dead straight. Great for those tunnel shots :) It's not so great for windy days, but I'm finally starting to get the hang of throwing on a hyzer line (i thing). The glide on the smaller wing disc is extremely useful.
It took me a while, but it really comes down to more learning to throw what I have instead of always changing it out (I know people say this - but when you have so many to look at every day you want to throw htem all! Lol) It would make sense if the XCaliber flew similar to a "faster Max" since it is more stable than a Destroyer and the Destroyer is similar to a "faster TeeRex".
I like what Gateway is trying to do with the desire to go back to the smaller wing drivers with their Assassin release. I think it would help more people stick with the backhand rather than going to forehand. (especially new players)
I watched Markus Kallstrom (along with most other team innova members) flat out CRUSH the xc in bowling green. markus almost aced the first hole when you cross the street at lovers! (not sure what #?-500 footer?)