Anyone going?
What type of course? Nothing over 400...any long tee's?
Quote from: dana on June 03, 2008, 03:49:37 PM
Anyone going?
What type of course? Nothing over 400...any long tee's?
Nothing super long. It is a pretty fun course. No elevation but there is some water. Last year there was a fun alternate that swallowed quite a few discs. Not too far from Dekalb.
the alternate will be in play again this year, hopefully good weather again, i willl be there early helping out... i can answer most questions... yes the course is pretty short, Dana should shoot 10 to 13 down
Open:
1st: Marcos Esquivel
2nd: Alex Bingman
3rd: Tom Matesavac
4th: Tom Schodtler
4th: Todd Fanning
4th: Sean Butler
4th: Ryan Gremillion
Advanced:
1st: Paul Priest
2nd: Lon Reilly
Intermediate:
1st: Jesse Esquivel
Broken ankle and all, way to take it down Marcos!
Broken ankle? I didn't see a limp. Didn't get to play with him but I hear he's an awesome putter. Now he just needs to register for the PDGA so he can stop paying the 10$ fee every time.
Fun course, could definately use a re-design with two sets of tee's.
Yea he broke his ankle a month or so ago he was telling me at Lombard. He was definitely limping around a lot there, but maybe it's better now. He had just taken the cast off the day before the Lombard event.
Congrats to Spaz Kutella (913 rating) for his 9 throw win in the Novice division (cutoff less than 850 rating) ::)
he did help out alot at the tourney though so I guess that makes playing the wrong division acceptable ;)
What is up with that? To make it worse. The only other PDGA member in the novice division was not so recently complaining about baggers on the PDGA site. If I were him, I would file a formal complaint with the PDGA.
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=832486&an=0&page=0#Post832486
Add another TD to my B list when choosing tournaments.
To be fair, perhaps he just didn't know. I know that when I first joined the PDGA I was unaware of the division breakdowns.
Quote from: tacimala on June 08, 2008, 08:02:01 PM
To be fair, perhaps he just didn't know. I know that when I first joined the PDGA I was unaware of the division breakdowns.
Believe me, he knows. The TD should have known too. :P
Paul's post above is incorrect according to the results. Michler won INT, congrats Dan :)
Quote from: krupicka on June 08, 2008, 07:46:12 PM
What is up with that? To make it worse. The only other PDGA member in the novice division was not so recently complaining about baggers on the PDGA site. If I were him, I would file a formal complaint with the PDGA.
http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=832486&an=0&page=0#Post832486
Add another TD to my B list when choosing tournaments.
I'll ask because I don't know. If you click on his name, his profile says "Michael Kutella's PDGA membership is not current." So even if you looked him up before the event you would not be able to see his rating. However, once you have played your last rating pops up next to your name no matter if you are current or not. So since he appears to not be current, would the TD have been able to access anything to find out his old rating?
Can't speak to what the TD did or did not know, but Kutella has played in many PDGA events since at least 2001, often in Intermediate (old system, obviously). If I was the second place guy, I'd be pissed.
Quote from: Dan Michler on June 08, 2008, 06:46:40 PM
Congrats to Spaz Kutella (913 rating) for his 9 throw win in the Novice division (cutoff less than 850 rating) ::)
he did help out alot at the tourney though so I guess that makes playing the wrong division acceptable ;)
Looks like Spaz hasn't played an official round for almost two years. Given that layoff, I can almost see him playing rec despite his rating, but Novice is over the line.
The average rating of the winner of the Novice division in local tournaments (except sand-filled IOS #2) is about 885-890. Spaz shot an unoffical 905.
slight thread drift but i just saw Mike Robinson won advanced at the KC OPEN. How is he able to play advanced when he has played pro and acccepted cash for a couple of years now?
He's rated lower than 970 (or 975, can't remember the cutoff)
so are you saying you can accept cash as a pro and go down to adv any time you want as long as your rating is below 970?
correct, with am worlds and am nationals being exceptions to that rule.
Quote from: discpro99 on June 09, 2008, 07:39:20 AM
so are you saying you can accept cash as a pro and go down to adv any time you want as long as your rating is below 970?
Correct, except a pro under 970 is not going "down" to play advanced. And you can take cash as a pro and play intermediate if you are below 935, and play Rec if you are below 900 and play novice if you are below 850. Advanced is a division for amateurs of any rating and pros rated below 970. Pros cannot play in amateur divisions at majors. Majors are Worlds, Nationals, and two or three international competitions held overseas.
How is Damon Stahlin reg'd for Am Nats when he has taken cash many times in the last 2 years?
to answer the question about non-current: yes, the PDGA sends you a list of all current and non current players in Illinois and surrounding states (80+ pages, unless you know excel and then can shrink it down to about 40). I guess they used to mail that list out, but now it's just emailed. I print it and bring it, but I am not always able to verify it until during the round. If caught, I'd talk to you between rounds. I don't know if they had the list with them or not, but yes, a TD does have the ability to detect this as long as the player at some point in time had a rating. I just looked it up in my own listing and found him at 913. It also tells me that the rating was from 6/24/06 - so that's still plenty recent enough to consider it to be an MA2 player.
to answer pro playing am: Reading from the 2008 PDGA Competition Manual, found here http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08CompetitionManual.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08CompetitionManual.pdf)
It states under section 2.4 on page 10:
Pros rated less than 970 may now compete in Amateur
divisions offered at PDGA A, B, and C Tier events, for
which they qualify based on player rating, age, and gender.
(1) Pro Men and Women
• < 970 can play Advanced (MA1)
• < 935 can play Intermediate (MA2)
• < 935 can also play Advanced Master (MM1) if they
are of Masters age
• < 900 can play Recreational (MA3)
• < 900 can also play Advanced Grandmaster (MG1) if
they are of Grandmasters age
• < 850 can play Novice (MA4)
B. Players are awarded Amateur points for their performance
but these points are not eligible for year-end awards or
Worlds invitations.
Quote from: Dan Michler on June 09, 2008, 08:10:58 AM
How is Damon Stahlin reg'd for Am Nats when he has taken cash many times in the last 2 years?
A lot of other people are wondering the same thing as you can see on the DGRUS thread for the tourney. He got a qualifying email like the rest of us did and was wondering why he got it and then when Todd checked with the PDGA they said he was OK because he had registered this year as an amateur. Definitely not following their own rules though, so who knows.
Quote from: tacimala on June 09, 2008, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on June 09, 2008, 08:10:58 AM
How is Damon Stahlin reg'd for Am Nats when he has taken cash many times in the last 2 years?
A lot of other people are wondering the same thing as you can see on the DGRUS thread for the tourney. He got a qualifying email like the rest of us did and was wondering why he got it and then when Todd checked with the PDGA they said he was OK because he had registered this year as an amateur. Definitely not following their own rules though, so who knows.
how about ben douglas? he has cashed as an open player also? im so confused. :BangHead:
Ben might have taken the merch instead of cash, not sure.
Quote from: discpro99 on June 09, 2008, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: tacimala on June 09, 2008, 08:22:30 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on June 09, 2008, 08:10:58 AM
How is Damon Stahlin reg'd for Am Nats when he has taken cash many times in the last 2 years?
A lot of other people are wondering the same thing as you can see on the DGRUS thread for the tourney. He got a qualifying email like the rest of us did and was wondering why he got it and then when Todd checked with the PDGA they said he was OK because he had registered this year as an amateur. Definitely not following their own rules though, so who knows.
how about ben douglas? he has cashed as an open player also? im so confused. :BangHead:
If these people registered as Ams under the amnesty rule then it is completely different than a "pro" playing an "am" division. The pro amnesty plan made formerly "pros" now actual "ams" with all the rights of a PDGA Amateur.
Right, but that was a one time thing for 2007 wasn't it? It takes 3 years for the amnesty process otherwise.
Quote from: tacimala on June 09, 2008, 10:32:07 AM
Right, but that was a one time thing for 2007 wasn't it? It takes 3 years for the amnesty process otherwise.
I do not know the people in question so I didn't know if they might be 2007 amnesty Ams. The "normal" amnesty process takes however long the PDGA decides it will take...if ever.
Sorry about that Dan. Congrats. I don't know how you slipped my mind. I must have blocked it out from spite since you shot as well as me first round :-p. Obviously the tourney is on pdga now if you're interested.
Spazz has been playing disc golf for a long time. There is no reason he should have signed up for Novice.
If Ben "cashes" in open, he takes merch. I don't think he is even playing AM NATS anyways, he hurt his back.
lol, was just telling a buddy about Spazz yesterday and how he hadn't "graced" an event for a while *sigh*
Congrats on the win Dan!!!
Quote from: Mukey on June 09, 2008, 03:27:13 PM
lol, was just telling a buddy about Spazz yesterday and how he hadn't "graced" an event for a while *sigh*
all good things must end......
I wish there would be a re-design out there.
daemon is able to play am nats because he took amnesty and reclassified to am...