A clever surprise? McCain chose Palin, Governor of Alaska, to be his VP running mate. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/mccain_picks_palin.html?hpid=topnews
So, McCain chooses a woman who two years ago was the mayor of a small town in Alaska to be his running mate. That really impressed me. She's not going to out shine him and no one knows anything about her other than she's a Republican woman governor. Genius. McCain can now pick up the votes from Hillary backers who are too mad at Obama to ever vote for him. The Democrats probably won't be able to dig up any dirt on her. She probably doesn't have any speeches recorded or on video...do they even have video cameras in Alaska?
I thought it was a mistake that Obama didn't pick Hillary to be his running mate. Or if she said FU to his offer that he didn't pick another woman for his running mate.
My only question is who are conservatives going to vote for this year?
There was something about her trying to use her clout to oust a state trooper who was married to her sis. The negatives begin to come out.
a woman married to her sister? not going to touch that one.
I think it's a smart move by McCain. I have no probably backing him for President. I just have to make sure I register to vote again since I moved! I doubt McCain would win Illinois anyway since Obama is out of Illinois, but I still want to vote.
Republican Disc Golfers???
i saw her daughter on TV at buffalo wild wings and she's pretty hot. do you want to see pics of her hot daughter for the next 4 years, or pics of obama's wife? thats the choice you need to make on election day.
Quote from: Fiddler on August 29, 2008, 09:56:17 AM
Republican Disc Golfers???
There are a lot of Republican disc golfers. There are more Republican disc golfers in Texas than there are people in most countries.
The Alaska Legislature voted last month to investigate allegations that Palin dismissed the state's public safety commissioner after the commissioner resisted pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin's sister.
Of course (no pun) with putter in hand (no pun).
So the aged McCain becomes incapacitated his second year in office:
"President Palin, I have Vladimir Putin on the line."
This choice will end up hurting McCain. She's about as qualified to be first in line for succession as Harriet Miers was to be Supreme Court Justice.
Quote from: can't putt on August 29, 2008, 05:06:06 PM
"President Palin, I have Vladimir Putin on the line."
There was a clip tonight from some talking head on Fixed News saying, with a straight face, that she had foreign policy experience because Alaska is right next to Russia.....
Quote from: can't putt on August 29, 2008, 05:06:06 PM
So the aged McCain becomes incapacitated his second year in office:
"President Palin, I have Vladimir Putin on the line."
This choice will end up hurting McCain. She's about as qualified to be first in line for succession as Harriet Miers was to be Supreme Court Justice.
Not only do disc golfers vote, but some must subscribe to the DNC talking points!
McCain is going to need some Republican votes if he is going to win. If you go read the conservative political websites, he didn't have them last week, but he just got them. All over the country conservatives are e-mailing their favorite NRO contributors saying stuff like, "I was going to sit this one out. Now I'm getting my check book out." For the Republicans this is just like the moment in Rocky 2 when Talia Shire wakes up from her coma and says, "Win, Rocky, win."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUa2Ro3L5Ow&NR=1
Palin ran the family commercial fishing business for several years while her husband worked in the Alaska oil fields. She was a small-town suburban councilman for one term, and mayor for two four-year terms. She got elected mayor running against a corrupt Republican incumbent, and running against the Alaska Republican machine. She was on the Alaska Public Ethics Commission for a year until she realized that it was thoroughly corrupt and then she resigned and worked with the FBI in indicting politicians, mostly Republicans. Alaska is owned by Big Oil, and they mainly buy Republicans. She ran for governor against an incumbent from her party and against Big Oil. She ran on a reform theme and has done reform. She killed the bridge to nowhere. She has lobbied against Alaska being the state that receives more per capita from the Federal government than any other state, and instead has lobbied for Alaska being allowed to develop its own natural resources. She has also revived the litigation against Exxon to force it to comply with its obligations to clean up the Valdese oil spill. She has maintained a balanced budget. Oh, and she granted honary citizenship to Craig on the Late, Late Show. I watched that show tonight. Boy is that guy hit and miss!
Like McCain she's an odd Republican. She is not well liked by the Alaska Republican establishment for all the right reasons: she's a staunch environmentalist, and solid on some of the traditional conservative values that the Bush administration has abandonned, like governmental restraint, and curbing wasteful spending. She's also solid on the Big Five red meat Republican issues.
If the Democrats try to play the experience card against her, oh boy, look out. The Republicans' talking points are "It certainly would be nice if we had more experience at the bottom of the ticket, just as it would be nice if the Democrats had experience at the top of the ticket." "A two-week summer vacation in Europe is not exactly what we're looking for in foreign policy experience." "Spending the last two years in Iowa and New Hampshire running for President does not make you a Washington outsider." "She's run a business, a small town and state. What has Biden run besides his mouth for 36 years in the Senate."
As a politician, she has not lost an election since the 1984 Miss Alaska competition, which she now says she regrets having done, but second place paid for college. Like Obama she's always run for election in a one-party system. Unlike Obama, she was always running against the system, in contested primaries. Obama has never had a serious challenge in a general election and has run unopposed in some of his primaries. She's a Ron Reagan Republican, witty, articulate, homespun. Or maybe a Teddy Roosevelt Republican. Not at all an east coast country club Bushite. The mainstream media will try to spin her as Dan Quayle, but that's their job.
You pick vice-presidents mainly for inner-party political reasons. Reagan was hated by east coast country club Republicans and foreign policy wonks so he picked an east coast country club foreign policy wonk running mate. Bush Sr. was viewed suspiciously by fly-over country Republicans so he picked a staunch conservative from Indiana fly-over country. Bush Sr. didn't know if he'd be able to personally run the show from Kennebunkport so he put his man Cheney in there to keep an eye on Junior.
McCain has made the pick he had to make. He has been reassuring the Republican wing of the Republican party that he'd pick an ideologically conservative running mate and he has. Now they trust him on his assurances regarding the Supreme Court, taxes and spending. I don't know if he'll get an public opinion poll bump, but he killed Obama's post-convention weekend media cycle by totally changing the topic, and he is certainly getting a bank account bump.
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Oh, and that talking point is kind of embarassing for those who repeat it, in an ironic way. The implication is that Palin is not up to speed on foreign policy issues. But whoever wrote that is not up to speed on the foreign policy issues either. That, or they are assuming that their audience isn't. Medvedev has Putin's job now. Putin is behind the curtain working the levers, but they are doing everything to maintain the appearance that it is Medvedev's show. He goes to the G8. He speaks for the government. Medvedev would be making that phone call. Putin would be holding the cue cards.
It's funnier if you say Putin -- he has a funny name and your average idiot will get the joke -- but it makes the speaker sound just as uninformed to the informed as they are implying Palin would be.
Newsweek just published a group of Palin video interview excerpts from a forum they did with feminist Governors long before anyone suspected Palin was a veep list candidate. Some of her comments are pretty sharp. She had a lot of praise for Hillary's courage and tenacity, but thinks Hillary should have been a little tougher and less weepy. She admires Hillary but would never vote for her. She had a good feminist retort for those who would say a mother of four shouldn't be a governor of a state. I'm pretty sure she used a word that is banned on PDGA.com!
If you watch them, occasionally they include comments from a democratic feminist governor, so you have to pay attention who is speaking.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190
I think Palin is an interesting choice that should help McCain. Obama scored in his speech this week painting McCain as another term for the present administration. Palin deflects this argument as she does not represent an extension of the present administration except with her socially conservative views. For example Romney, like Clinton, would have been a poor choice that would have fed the opposition. It will be interesting to see how the Obama camp replies. I do not foresee a heavy attack on her experience. One refreshing thing is this portends an election about world view and not low level mud slinging. My personal view is much much more in line with Obama but I like both veep choices for different reasons. Both tickets have a younger and older face mixed together. Both can represent themselves as presenting an historic step whether on a racial or gender basis.
With the price of energy, gas, food, insurance, medicine, education, and the lies, Katrina, cronies, job losses to other countries, failure with allies, mission accomplished, the deaths of all those innocent people in the uncalled for war in Iraq , U.S. taxpayers paying for Iraq, the economy, failure in Pakistan in getting Bin Laden, failure to start alternative energy, turning a surplus into the worst deficit this country ever faced, the trampling of our constitution etc.....
HOW IN THE WORLD COULD ANYONE VOTE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE AFTER ALL OF THAT :unsure:
Amen
In a David Letterman voice:
"Palin, Putin. Putin, Palin."
Quote from: Sr. on August 30, 2008, 07:02:38 AM
With the price of energy, gas, food, insurance, medicine, education, and the lies, Katrina, cronies, job losses to other countries, failure with allies, mission accomplished, the deaths of all those innocent people in the uncalled for war in Iraq , U.S. taxpayers paying for Iraq, the economy, failure in Pakistan in getting Bin Laden, failure to start alternative energy, turning a surplus into the worst deficit this country ever faced, the trampling of our constitution etc.....
HOW IN THE WORLD COULD ANYONE VOTE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE AFTER ALL OF THAT :unsure:
The price of energy and gas has gone up so much because we aren't building refineries and aren't exploiting our own natural resources. That is as much a Democratic failure as it is a Republican failure. The dollar has declined so fast because Washington is spending money it does not have. Neither side has done a thing to try to rein in wasteful spending. Why do we even need a Federal Department of Education? Does anyone send their kid to a federal public school? Do we need a bloated federal bureaucracy to tell us that ketchup counts as a vegatable? ;D On Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, both parties were for Iraq before the Democrats decided to be against Iraq, purely for partisan political reasons. That whole mess is a bipartisan mess going back to the end of WWI in US history, and back to Cain and Abel in Biblical history.
The idea that McCain would be the third Bush term is just sloganeering for the know-nothings. Bush-Cheney are Big Oil Republicans. McCain comes from oil free Arizona that is hoping to cash in on the new thing going on with low-tech solar, and Palin has a 12-year political career of fighting Big Oil corruption in Alaska.
I agree with Barish that this election will present a brighter contrast in issues and ideologies than some of our recent past presidential elections. Other than the environment, where both sides are pretty progressive, and border security and illegal immigration where both sides have been pretty laissez faire [Democrats want illegal immigrant votes, Republicans want illegal immigrrant labor, and both sides know that Americans overwhelmingly favor border security and cheap lawn care...] I'm pretty sure they're on opposite sides of abortion, gun control, taxes, spending, Iraq, free trade, expansion of the federal government, private or public solutions to expanding medical care, pretty much any hot button issue you might name. I don't know if either of them have a coherent foreign policy. I think they are both pragmatists, in the style of Nixon, Bush Sr., and Clinton, who will try to accomodate and pursuade rather than confront. In spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric, I don't think he is really for the aggressive expansion of democracy like Kennedy or Reagan. But then again, I thought that was just rhetoric from Bush and here we are trying to aggressively expand democracy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Georgia and even South Carolina. ;)
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 30, 2008, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: Sr. on August 30, 2008, 07:02:38 AM
With the price of energy, gas, food, insurance, medicine, education, and the lies, Katrina, cronies, job losses to other countries, failure with allies, mission accomplished, the deaths of all those innocent people in the uncalled for war in Iraq , U.S. taxpayers paying for Iraq, the economy, failure in Pakistan in getting Bin Laden, failure to start alternative energy, turning a surplus into the worst deficit this country ever faced, the trampling of our constitution etc.....
HOW IN THE WORLD COULD ANYONE VOTE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE AFTER ALL OF THAT :unsure:
The price of energy and gas has gone up so much because we aren't building refineries and aren't exploiting our own natural resources. That is as much a Democratic failure as it is a Republican failure. The dollar has declined so fast because Washington is spending money it does not have. Neither side has done a thing to try to rein in wasteful spending. Why do we even need a Federal Department of Education? Does anyone send their kid to a federal public school? Do we need a bloated federal bureaucracy to tell us that ketchup counts as a vegatable? ;D On Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, both parties were for Iraq before the Democrats decided to be against Iraq, purely for partisan political reasons. That whole mess is a bipartisan mess going back to the end of WWI in US history, and back to Cain and Abel in Biblical history.
The idea that McCain would be the third Bush term is just sloganeering for the know-nothings. Bush-Cheney are Big Oil Republicans. McCain comes from oil free Arizona that is hoping to cash in on the new thing going on with low-tech solar, and Palin has a 12-year political career of fighting Big Oil corruption in Alaska.
I agree with Barish that this election will present a brighter contrast in issues and ideologies than some of our recent past presidential elections. Other than the environment, where both sides are pretty progressive, and border security and illegal immigration where both sides have been pretty laissez faire [Democrats want illegal immigrant votes, Republicans want illegal immigrrant labor, and both sides know that Americans overwhelmingly favor border security and cheap lawn care...] I'm pretty sure they're on opposite sides of abortion, gun control, taxes, spending, Iraq, free trade, expansion of the federal government, private or public solutions to expanding medical care, pretty much any hot button issue you might name. I don't know if either of them have a coherent foreign policy. I think they are both pragmatists, in the style of Nixon, Bush Sr., and Clinton, who will try to accomodate and pursuade rather than confront. In spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric, I don't think he is really for the aggressive expansion of democracy like Kennedy or Reagan. But then again, I thought that was just rhetoric from Bush and here we are trying to aggressively expand democracy in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Georgia and even South Carolina. ;)
The system is broken. Both Democrats and Republicans have failed this country. Congress is a joke. There's members in Congress that bleed there own party instead of realizing common sense. I laugh when i hear a Republican blame Clinton for NAFTA when Bush Junior never did a thing to change it for his whole term. It's been blah blah blah beetween both parties about every major issue. Never getting anything done except their pay raises. It's the typical blame game over and over. Congress better look out for the future. How are our children and our grandchildren going to pay off this deficit? How much of our country will we let China and India purchase before it's too late? . And as far as Democracy goes, let's mind our own business and start taking care of our people, our Schools, our roads, our hospitals, our country. Leave my tax money alone when it comes to rebuilding the mess our leaders got us into. And that's both Democrats and Republicans. Being a independent, I'll take my chances with the party that lies the least, and that will be a tough choice.
I thought this was about the Veep choice. I think we already know that Bush is a Nimrod who prays for misguidance in the Rose Garden. Back to the thread.
The Palin choice is a blatant attempt to "steal" Hillary suporters that felt they were left adrift with no choice. If they can see past the fact that Palin is not Pro-choice, then McCain will pick up votes. I don't see that happening. Also, the fact that a couple of years ago she was the mayor of a town of 9000 can NOT be in her favor. I feel that in the VP debates Biden (a known talker) will talk rings around her and point up her lack of experience. Most of the talking heads this morning called the choice a sort of hail Mary desperation play.
I realize that she fits into the McCain mold of maverick, but don't get me drifting about McCain who finished 894th in his Naval Academy class of 899. -Democrat talking point #333- ;D
Oh, and to those of you who think Palin's 17 year old daughter is hot... she is also 5 months pregnant....
Karl Rove on Executive Experience vs. Electoral Votes ;D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jrk2e0MMs&feature=related
Quote from: Jim Bassett on September 01, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Oh, and to those of you who think Palin's 17 year old daughter is hot... she is also 5 months pregnant....
I agree with Obama that the candidates' children shouldn't be dragged into this. It was classy of him to say that. "Mom, dad, I've got good news and bad news: I'm pro-life and I'm ready to prove it!" ;D
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 30, 2008, 12:34:45 AM
McCain is going to need some Republican votes if he is going to win. If you go read the conservative political websites, he didn't have them last week, but he just got them. All over the country conservatives are e-mailing their favorite NRO contributors saying stuff like, "I was going to sit this one out. Now I'm getting my check book out." For the Republicans this is just like the moment in Rocky 2 when Talia Shire wakes up from her coma and says, "Win, Rocky, win."
What some Republicans
really think. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html?showall)
unfortunate that they have that opinion. The more I learn about Palin, the happier I am with the choice. You can PM me and I'll happily share why, but I hope that republicans will show their support come November.
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." -- Sarah Palin
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that." -- Sarah Palin
have you noticed its almost all white people at the RNC. unfortunatly we are becomeing a minority, and if the republicans want to win they need to touch base with different ethnic groups. none of these groups want to stay the course, so to speak, this will make it hard for republicans to court them, with a woman VP or not.
what we really need is a democrat and republican on the same ticket together for President and VP. That way both parties have a say in everything at the top levels, instead of a unbalanced congress that bickers at each other because the president is a republican and congress is mostly democrats. thats my thought
and they need to separate church from state , and quit using god this god that. our country is not as religious as it once was. there are more and more non religious involved people out there that dont want religious ideaology in politics.
Quote from: Jim Bassett on September 01, 2008, 10:11:45 AM
Oh, and to those of you who think Palin's 17 year old daughter is hot... she is also 5 months pregnant....
sweet! that just means she likes to ______ :D
Classy.
Quote from: can't putt on September 04, 2008, 04:53:16 AM
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from . That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." -- Sarah Palin
Know that our military men and women sent into harms way by misguided leadership near, but not at, the source of a genuine threat mostly strive to do what is right notwithstanding the equipment, the orders, the mission. Pray for this country that it will pay attention to the world and equip itself with leaders who have a vision of real threats and know how to meet them but will avoid non-threats and will not commit our nation's resources and mortgage its future in pursuit of them. That's why I am here to make sure that what I am praying for comes to pass and that I will not invoke the name of God in pursuit of folly as that would amount to a Jihad, and you know what that has done to our world. - David Barish
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that." -- Sarah Palin
I think those who express engagement in terms of God's will are almost universally those who flout it. Had we continued to pursue those alleged followers of Allah's will into Afghanistan and continued to fight there we might not be in the predicament in which we find ourselves. If God want's a gas line built in Alaska he will also sell you some beach front land in Arizona and that will balance the ticket. - David Barish
Quote from: Chainmeister on September 04, 2008, 06:53:57 AM
Quote from: can't putt on September 04, 2008, 04:53:16 AM
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from . That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." -- Sarah Palin
Know that our military men a nd women sent into harms way by misguided leadership near, but not at, the source of a genuine threat mostly strive to do what is right notwithstanding the equipment, the orders, the mission. Pray for this country that it will pay attention to the world and equip itself with leaders who have a vision of real threats and know how to meet them but will avoid non-threats and will not commit our nation's resources and mortgage its future in pursuit of them. That's why I am here to make sure that what I am praying for comes to pass and that I will not invoke the name of God in pursuit of folly as that would amount to a Jihad, and you know what that has done to our world. - David Barish
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that." -- Sarah Palin
I think those who express engagement in terms of God's will are almost universally those who flout it. Had we continued to pursue those alleged followers of Allah's will into Afghanistan and continued to fight there we might not be in the predicament in which we find ourselves. If God want's a gas line build in Alaska he will also sell you some beach front land in Arizona and that will balance the ticket. - David Barish
well said David
We don't need a combined ticket. I think what we need is an end to politics as a profession. It would be so much better for the country if people would be able to choose to serve their country in congress for a term or two and truly represent the people from their district rather than represent the various factions that helped them get the money to get elected.
Step one would be to eliminate paid endorsements and other other media advertising for elected offices. Step two would be to pay congress the median wage of the U.S. employee. Step three would be to provide health care equal to the average U.S. employee. Step four would be to offer a 401k plan to members of congress but no other retirement benefit. Have them get matching 401k contributions based on economic indicators.
I think we could see a lot of positive change in the way our congress does business if we could eliminate professional politicians and the system that comes with them.
David Barish (http://www.inews3.com/topstory.php?id=44427c436861696e6d656973746572) for President!
Quote from: can't putt on September 04, 2008, 03:46:51 PM
David Barish (http://www.inews3.com/topstory.php?id=44427c436861696e6d656973746572) for President!
Nah, he's too short. Alas . . . .
You tube
Palin at a turkey farm pardoning a turkey
with some guy behind her snapping the neck of one
how funny is this ?
i think pretty funny