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Disc Golf Related => Illinois Open Series => Topic started by: CEValkyrie on October 18, 2008, 07:29:47 PM

Title: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 18, 2008, 07:29:47 PM
The IOS team met last night to discuss future plans of the IOS.

Here are some details. Note, these are subject to change.

May--Lombard, IL
June--Crystal Lake, IL
July--TBA, IL (New to the IOS)
September--Round Lake, IL

These will be preregistration only events.  Online option, mail in option, and registration at the course on Friday. Saturday option will be avaliable for Sunday players during down times.
Am-$30--Trophy Only TBD.
Pro-$50--1/2 in $25.00

There will no longer be brass cash. Some type of funny money or vouchers will be used.

Series points will be 4 for 4.

A-Tier will depend on raising money. If an A-Tier happens it will take place in September and Round Lake will be run in August. That would expand the series from 4 to 5 events.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: duain on October 20, 2008, 06:56:14 AM
sounds good . anything is better than nothing. THANKS again
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: pickax on October 20, 2008, 07:06:52 AM
One recommendation for next years series points: have a minimum number of events required. I would recommend 3 (with some sort of exception for those that were bumped up by ratings).
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: El Mexicano on October 20, 2008, 07:21:41 AM
QuoteMay--Lombard, IL
June--Crystal Lake, IL
July--TBA, IL (New to the IOS)
September--Round Lake, IL

How about Highland
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 20, 2008, 07:26:08 AM
When you count four out of four, anyone can win with perfect attendance if only a few players have perfect attendance.  Overall awards then measure both performance and commitment.  

My problem with only doing four is that next year I'll probably be eligible to play in seven divisions, if the PDGA format stays the same, [and we have been assured it will.  Somebody well placed said they wanted to keep it the same until at least half the TDs out there know what it is!]  
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: SERG on October 20, 2008, 07:45:20 AM
Just out of curiosity, any particular reason for the selected courses? If it's a board "sealed" decision understandable.

I'm sure removing UWP was an easy decision. Unfortunately the course rental fees are not very tournament friendly.

Thanks for considering doing something. Although I only play a few of the IOS events, I have a great time at each one and things are always run quite smoothly and on time.

Thanks for everything!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 20, 2008, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: SERG on October 20, 2008, 07:45:20 AM
Just out of curiosity, any particular reason for the selected courses? If it's a board "sealed" decision understandable.

I'm sure removing UWP was an easy decision. Unfortunately the course rental fees are not very tournament friendly.

Thanks for considering doing something. Although I only play a few of the IOS events, I have a great time at each one and things are always run quite smoothly and on time.

Thanks for everything!
It's not one thing.  Lombard and Crystal Lake are always well attended and financially successful and no one is doing a good tournament there already.  UWP has the risky flat fee [if we were to have low attendance we'd have to lose money or lower our standards], the uncertainty as to the future of the course, and it already has a good tournament every year with the Prairie Open.  Fairfield is where the IOS was born and where it will die!   ;D 
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Jon Brakel on October 20, 2008, 09:25:49 AM
Also when Bruce, Brett and I decide stuff about the IOS we don't just propose something and then have a vote. We don't usually vote on anything to make our decisions. We have a conversation and usually sometime during that conversation come to a consensus on what we're going to do. It is much easier to do stuff together when we are all on board with the concepts.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: SERG on October 20, 2008, 07:45:20 AM
Just out of curiosity, any particular reason for the selected courses? If it's a board "sealed" decision understandable.

I'm sure removing UWP was an easy decision. Unfortunately the course rental fees are not very tournament friendly.

Thanks for considering doing something. Although I only play a few of the IOS events, I have a great time at each one and things are always run quite smoothly and on time.

Thanks for everything!

Serg,

  I don't think it was an easy decision. Parkside is in a great location and is a great course. The easiest decision was eliminating an April event. It's a crapshoot on weather. This year was awesome. A few years ago it was 30 with flurries. The course use fee isn't the best but not the worst either. We did not want to interfere with the Prarie Open. That is another factor. An event will continue on that course. Removing an event from the 3 others listed would leave no events on them. I thnk it's good for the game. This was one of the factors with Aurora as well. We are glad to see the Fox Valley stepping up to host an event in 2009!

This was not a factor but now there won't be an IOS event outside of the IL border. I remember that being a hot topic back in 2004 ;D.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mukey on October 20, 2008, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: El Mexicano on October 20, 2008, 07:21:41 AM
QuoteMay--Lombard, IL
June--Crystal Lake, IL
July--TBA, IL (New to the IOS)
September--Round Lake, IL

How about Highland

I 2nd that, and I think once some of the IOS crew plays it there'll be no question
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 20, 2008, 03:15:34 PM
This comment may be more appropriate in the thread under the Courses section, but from what I saw at Highland it may be a tough course to put a large number of people through for a tournament in a timely fashion. Lots of blind shots and a few walks back down previous fairways leads to longer backups and more waiting. I definitely like the course though and it is not easy.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: dana on October 20, 2008, 03:18:37 PM
Also, I am willing to bet that some of the Joliet guys, if not Gary, will be wanting to run event(s) there.

Glad to hear that 2009 will have an IOS!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I find that statement to be pretty funny. Thank goodness Jason McKinney stepped up to run Channahon this year or there would have been no events in Joliet run by the J-Town crew.

Irish You the Best of Luck-Channahon-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Nothin But Chains-Joliet, West Park-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Joliet Pro Championships-Jason Rose-Lombard

I guess 25% isn't bad but i'm a PE Teacher.

Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 20, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
Hopefully 2008 was an atypical year then because I like the Joliet area courses.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: stpitner on October 20, 2008, 03:37:22 PM
I'd be more than happy to bring tournaments to Joliet again next year as well.  I'm currently planning to do a Channahon split day as "The Dave Pitner Memorial" or something like that.  I can't really discuss timeframe right now though because it's still too early and I want to make sure that it's a decent timeframe - not frigidly cold and getting dark on everyone early March Saturday!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: skipache on October 20, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I find that statement to be pretty funny. Thank goodness Jason McKinney stepped up to run Channahon this year or there would have been no events in Joliet run by the J-Town crew.

Irish You the Best of Luck-Channahon-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Nothin But Chains-Joliet, West Park-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Joliet Pro Championships-Jason Rose-Lombard

I guess 25% isn't bad but i'm a PE Teacher.




Tom Matesevac is the co- TD , but Jason is the official, they are running it together

p.s.  anyone can step up to run tournaments but it helps to have support!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: skipache on October 20, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I find that statement to be pretty funny. Thank goodness Jason McKinney stepped up to run Channahon this year or there would have been no events in Joliet run by the J-Town crew.

Irish You the Best of Luck-Channahon-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Nothin But Chains-Joliet, West Park-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Joliet Pro Championships-Jason Rose-Lombard

I guess 25% isn't bad but i'm a PE Teacher.




p.s.  anyone can step up to run tournaments.

Anyone can step up but very few do.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Fox Metro Discer on October 20, 2008, 04:19:30 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: skipache on October 20, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I find that statement to be pretty funny. Thank goodness Jason McKinney stepped up to run Channahon this year or there would have been no events in Joliet run by the J-Town crew.

Irish You the Best of Luck-Channahon-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Nothin But Chains-Joliet, West Park-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Joliet Pro Championships-Jason Rose-Lombard

I guess 25% isn't bad but i'm a PE Teacher.




p.s.  anyone can step up to run tournaments.

Anyone can step up but very few do.

AMEN!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: pickax on October 20, 2008, 05:46:08 PM
I want to see a tourney at Aurora next year and was talking to Aaron Scott and Scott Pitner about it a little bit yesterday. I need to talk to the FVM guys, but I may be up for running one there.

It would be good if the TDs of Northern Illinois could come together on a general plan to keep things spread out. I think a couple of tournaments suffered when they were adjacent to other big tournaments.

Now that we have some major thread drift, how do I get this back on topic?

I think it is wise for the IOS crew to scale back a little bit. They have raised the standard for tournaments in the area and IMO have been instrumental in making the tournament scene in Illinois vibrant.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Dan Michler on October 20, 2008, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I like most of the Joliet-area disc golfers and am confused as to why any of them would not be dying for somebody with experience to come in and run a tournament on their home courses.  I live close to Fairfield and can tell you I really don't care whether the IOS crew, Terry Miller, Gary Lewis, Brian Cummings, or KVN Lavely runs a tournament there, I would just be happy that somebody wants to put in the effort so I can go out and have a good time.  I get the feeling some people feel a little protective over 'outsiders' running tournaments and I guess I don't understand this mentality, especially when nobody local is committed to running events.  I hope to see Joliet area events on the PDGA tour schedule early in 2009.  There was no event at Mokena which is a travesty.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: dgnickster9224 on October 20, 2008, 07:44:40 PM
there probably wont ever be another event at mokena.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: El Mexicano on October 20, 2008, 08:07:28 PM
Quotethere probably wont ever be another event at mokena.

Please elaborate.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: skipache on October 21, 2008, 06:56:01 AM
if you find out the course usage fees for running a tournament there you wont want to either....
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 21, 2008, 07:18:21 AM
Quote from: skipache on October 21, 2008, 06:56:01 AM
if you find out the course usage fees for running a tournament there you wont want to either....

I'll keep piling on the thread drift.

What information do you have about the fees that would lead you to believe there won't be an event at Mokena?  I (IL State  Coordinator) was contacted this summer by a TD that had a date set for Mokena but wasn't able to get all stars aligned to get the event rolling. It would have been a sanctioned event. It was very very close to happening. The course use fee was not the problem.

If there is anyone out there that wants to know the truth about the course use fee for an event call the Park District. It's not private information but you'll have to do some work to get that information. I know the truth.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 21, 2008, 07:28:06 AM
"The truth is out there."   :cya:

Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: El Mexicano on October 21, 2008, 07:44:13 AM
OK Mulder.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mike Clark on October 21, 2008, 07:44:31 AM
Why do people care who runs tournaments on public disc golf courses in public parks? Public parks belong to everyone.

If there were no tournaments on my local courses I would welcome anyone to run a tournament on local courses. Because I want to play tournaments and have fun.

Just doing my part to pile on the thread drift.  O0
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: SERG on October 21, 2008, 08:06:51 AM
Thanks for the answers/comments to my earlier question.
I unfortunately I have never played in an IOS at any place other than Parkside, Aurora, Rockford or Round Lake so making sure I try to get to Lombard or Crystal Lake will be on the calendar for next year.

I hope it didn't seem like I was "petitioning" to have one at Parkside. That wasn't my intention.

Thanks for keeping the IOS alive  :icon_thumleft:
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 21, 2008, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: SERG on October 21, 2008, 08:06:51 AM
Thanks for the answers/comments to my earlier question.
I unfortunately I have never played in an IOS at any place other than Parkside, Aurora, Rockford or Round Lake so making sure I try to get to Lombard or Crystal Lake will be on the calendar for next year.

I hope it didn't seem like I was "petitioning" to have one at Parkside. That wasn't my intention.

Thanks for keeping the IOS alive  :icon_thumleft:
I was fine if you were petitioning.  You never know if we might go back to Parkside in 2010 or later, once their campus expansion and course redesign issues are resolved. 
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 08:30:18 AM
The redesign issues didn't last very long if you ask me, the new design was done very well and there are some new cool holes in place now!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 21, 2008, 08:57:38 AM
Quote from: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 08:30:18 AM
The redesign issues didn't last very long if you ask me, the new design was done very well and there are some new cool holes in place now!
From what we've heard, they aren't done yet. 
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: discinfool23 on October 21, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: skipache on October 20, 2008, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 20, 2008, 03:29:42 PM
Quote from: Seek and Destroy on October 20, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
typically the J-Town crew runs Joliet tournaments

I find that statement to be pretty funny. Thank goodness Jason McKinney stepped up to run Channahon this year or there would have been no events in Joliet run by the J-Town crew.

Irish You the Best of Luck-Channahon-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Nothin But Chains-Joliet, West Park-Scott Pitner-Algonquin
Joliet Pro Championships-Jason Rose-Lombard

I guess 25% isn't bad but i'm a PE Teacher.




p.s.  anyone can step up to run tournaments.

Anyone can step up but very few do.

I have to say that as a Joliet player, I don't mind if other people volunteer to run events in our area, however, I would like to have the option open to others in our area first. This year was a very odd year for our area. Gary normally runs the tournaments with very little help from anyone (his choice or theirs, I am not sure). We would have loved to have several events in our area this year, but nobody wanted to steps on Gary's toes. Now that I have run an event, I think I would like to continue in this path if Gary does not. The plan as far as I am concerned would be to have at least 3 sanctioned events in the area next year (Channahon, West Park, and Highland Park). I will be working with Brett on gettings days set to the side and then with Gary to decide who will be running the events. Sorry for the "rant" but I wanted to make sure that people are aware of the circumstances of what happened this year before blaming the Joliet golfers.

Jason
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: El Mexicano on October 21, 2008, 12:18:46 PM
I don't think anyone was blaming J-Town golfers at all. We would all love to have more events down in J-town. Good courses and a good turnout.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 21, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
Jason,

  I agree with Juan. No disc golfers are blaming any of the J-Town crew and most of the educated tournament players understand the situation with not stepping on Gary's toes. The disc golf pond is way to small to be having areas working against each other. That pond becomes a puddle with the # of people that are interested in running events. I am glad to see you are interested in running more events next year and can't wait to play them. I cannot even explain the # of e-mails and calls i've received this year asking about Joliet area events. I can speak for the IOS that the 4th event in 2009 will not be played at one of the 3 courses you have listed.

Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 12:59:02 PM
Hmmmm....

With the course listed as "new to the IOS" and excluding the Joliet courses, do you have a tentative plan as to where? Keeping with not stepping on toes, I'd think that would also exclude Oswego. So, Peoria-area or Sinissippi? I know the tournout at Sinissippi this year would definetly indicate a successful event there again.

(just trying to take a wild guess)
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
I like Flip City in Shelby, MI.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: stpitner on October 21, 2008, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
I like Flip City in Shelby, MI.

2009 IOS and sometimes MI? :)

Although that's not very different than the 2008 IOS and sometimes WI :)
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 02:06:19 PM
I think we all owe Bruce at least 1 drive out to play an IOS close to him considering all the times he's driven over here
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on October 21, 2008, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
I like Flip City in Shelby, MI.
I've been lobbying for an IOS at Flip City for a long time, ever since I quit running the MDGO there to help Jon with the IOS instead.  Brett has played the course.  He thinks it is a good course.  Bill has expanded the course since Brett played it and is putting in permanent tees.  But there are a couple of good tournaments there now, so I just feel bad about always missing them. 
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Jon Brakel on October 21, 2008, 03:30:48 PM
We could piggy back onto one of the Flip City tournaments. It's a wacky idea that I've thought of for several years. You buy entry into the Flip City tournament thru the club as a package. The package includes entry fee, a small bus, bus driver (me), accommodations at a local motel. You'd get IOS points. We'd have to have pre-reg close a couple of weeks before the event so that I could then send the pre-reg to the TD and book the motel and bus.

It could be fun and I think if we hyped it we could get 20 or so players willing to go. All of the IOS TDs and volunteers could play and wouldn't have to help at all!!!

This is something that we did NOT discuss at the IOS summit. But it could be easily put together if the interest is there. It is also easy to accommodate different sized groups so if we only have 8 people that want to do it we rent a van instead of a bus. Depending on when the Flip City tournament falls we could call it IOS 3.5 or whatever it would be.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: pickax on October 21, 2008, 04:56:44 PM
Flip City is one of the courses that every serious golfer should play (but then you really won't want to play much of anything in Illinois again.)
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Abelardo Arenas on October 21, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 12:59:02 PMKeeping with not stepping on toes, I'd think that would also exclude Oswego.

Oswego is always an option for any tournament, any day, any year, by anyone, any time. And eventhough it's arrogant to speak for more than just yourself, I speak for everyone connected to the Oswego & Aurora courses & disc golf tournaments in the Fox Valley area. Aaron, Randy Sr, John Tiffany, Ken Close, Tree, all the officers and new PDGA officials, everyone.

Fox Valley welcomes it, and appreciates it. That goes for any new TDs, as well as the old TDs.

Sorry to add to the drift.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: skipache on October 21, 2008, 05:13:10 PM
Quote from: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
I like Flip City in Shelby, MI.

haha yea i agree with Taylor... or Lundington
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 05:39:55 PM
Haha this is awesome, I was just kidding but if it's a serious notion, that would be great!

Bruce - Flip City has cement tee pads now on all 24 holes and moved a few of them back so the course is a bit harder now than a year ago. They also have brooms on every tee to clear the dust and dirt off.

As far as hotels go, camping is available onsite there and Bill takes donations towards course maintenance. That would truly be a treat for an "IOS" event and I would be in full support!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Jon Brakel on October 21, 2008, 05:54:21 PM
There are several hotels within 30 minutes of the course.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: tacimala on October 21, 2008, 06:04:58 PM
Yes there are, but the Flip City experience is great with camping and bonfire included!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Seeing as Abe opened up Oswego, I hope that stays on the radar. It's one of the best courses in our area IMHO

The Michigan drift is awesome! Road trip!!! :iroc:
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Sr. on October 21, 2008, 08:15:53 PM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Seeing as Abe opened up Oswego, I hope that stays on the radar. It's one of the best courses in our area IMHO

The Michigan drift is awesome! Road trip!!! :iroc:
FVMDGC welcomes tournaments! We plan on having some next year. If any TD would like to run one at Eagle Ridge we welcome that with open arms. It's a public course and our club loves playing tournaments. And the price is right.

                                                                                                                                                                            ;)
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Fox Metro Discer on October 21, 2008, 10:05:06 PM
I would love to be a part of a discin road trip, as long as I don't have to sit next to Taylor!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Fox Metro Discer on October 21, 2008, 10:07:14 PM
Quote from: Abelardo Arenas on October 21, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 12:59:02 PMKeeping with not stepping on toes, I'd think that would also exclude Oswego.

Oswego is always an option for any tournament, any day, any year, by anyone, any time. And eventhough it's arrogant to speak for more than just yourself, I speak for everyone connected to the Oswego & Aurora courses & disc golf tournaments in the Fox Valley area. Aaron, Randy Sr, John Tiffany, Ken Close, Tree, all the officers and new PDGA officials, everyone.

Fox Valley welcomes it, and appreciates it. That goes for any new TDs, as well as the old TDs.

While this is true, I think what Brett was trying to get across is that the IOS is about getting tournaments to courses that do not have anything else going except for the IOS for the year.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Dan Michler on October 22, 2008, 06:50:44 AM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Seeing as Abe opened up Oswego, I hope that stays on the radar. It's one of the best courses in our area IMHO

The Michigan drift is awesome! Road trip!!! :iroc:

what are you talking about, road trip?  did you even play 1 tournament this year?  sorry, but I had to call you out Mukey   ;)
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Mukey on October 22, 2008, 07:08:17 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 22, 2008, 06:50:44 AM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
Seeing as Abe opened up Oswego, I hope that stays on the radar. It's one of the best courses in our area IMHO

The Michigan drift is awesome! Road trip!!! :iroc:

what are you talking about, road trip?  did you even play 1 tournament this year?  sorry, but I had to call you out Mukey   ;)

It's all good Dan, I expect that from ya by now   ^_^

I think I played 3 events this season, just wasn't that hot on tournaments this year. But I'm always down to play new courses, especially ones that have other people who know disc golf say that they are good courses
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: CEValkyrie on October 22, 2008, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on October 21, 2008, 10:07:14 PM
Quote from: Abelardo Arenas on October 21, 2008, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: Mukey on October 21, 2008, 12:59:02 PMKeeping with not stepping on toes, I'd think that would also exclude Oswego.

Oswego is always an option for any tournament, any day, any year, by anyone, any time. And eventhough it's arrogant to speak for more than just yourself, I speak for everyone connected to the Oswego & Aurora courses & disc golf tournaments in the Fox Valley area. Aaron, Randy Sr, John Tiffany, Ken Close, Tree, all the officers and new PDGA officials, everyone.

Fox Valley welcomes it, and appreciates it. That goes for any new TDs, as well as the old TDs.

While this is true, I think what Brett was trying to get across is that the IOS is about getting tournaments to courses that do not have anything else going except for the IOS for the year.

You are very close. We wanted to cut back on the # events. We don't really care if we are exclusive with having the only event on a course or not. It was easier to eliminate Kenosha and Aurora knowing there were going to be good events at both of those venues. I think the IOS crew would have loved to keep Streamwood in play but it did not work out. I think in 6 years the IOS has done it's job promoting events and the sport itself. Prior to the IOS Streamwood, Lombard, Aurora, Rockford, Round Lake, & Crystal Lake had never hosted a PDGA event. Next year it looks like all but Streamwood will have a sanctioned event. Maybe the Streamwood Disc Golf Union will host? The IOS will be adding another new venue to fill the 4th which will probably be the only sanctioned event at that course. I feel good that the IOS is cutting back and the # of events in IL will stay the same or even rise next year.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: WkeBrd3 on November 03, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 22, 2008, 08:15:04 AM
Next year it looks like all but Streamwood will have a sanctioned event. Maybe the Streamwood Disc Golf Union will host?

We'll need help, and we all (SDGU) would definitely like to see a sanctioned event at Shady Oaks.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: stpitner on November 03, 2008, 08:17:38 PM
Tony - you guys know that I'm just a phone call/email/PM away :)  I can help make the magic happen ;)  I just keep hoping that the PD would get their act together and pour some concrete!!
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: fourstringninja on November 04, 2008, 03:22:47 PM
Quote from: WkeBrd3 on November 03, 2008, 02:13:15 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 22, 2008, 08:15:04 AM
Next year it looks like all but Streamwood will have a sanctioned event. Maybe the Streamwood Disc Golf Union will host?

We'll need help, and we all (SDGU) would definitely like to see a sanctioned event at Shady Oaks.

We would need to have some actual help from the Park District before anything can happen. Maybe a set date for a tournament would be the motivation they would need?

As proud as I am of the MacGyver job I did on the basket for 11/14A, I don't know about hosting a tournament with such an important basket being held together by plastic tie-wraps.

But if that issue was settled, I would love to help making something like this happen.
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 04, 2008, 07:01:27 PM
In the past that park district's attitude toward tournaments has been that they won't charge you anything to use the park and they aren't going to do anything either.  If the basket is not serviceable, you could bag it and use a temp. 
Title: Re: 2009 IOS Meeting
Post by: Bruce Brakel on November 05, 2008, 12:43:33 PM
Also, in the past some TDs have been required to rent a porta-potty at that park and other TDs have not.  Renting a porta-potty is not that expensive if you're doing a tournament on a low demand weekend, you reserve your porta-potty well in advance, and you have good attendance. 

One of the secrets to success at running tournaments is to keep your fixed costs down so you don't get killed if no one shows up.  Porta-potties are a huge fixed cost.  I'd much rather pay $3 per player for a park use fee than have to pony up $200 for a porta-potty, or whatever they go for currently, because you don't know when you run a tournament if you're going to get 111 players like last year or only 24.  [E.g., Byron Big D Doubles, 2007 versus 2008.] 

If you only have 24 players and your only fixed cost is the $50 PDGA sanctioning and you had the good sense to buy 50 of the hottest disc on the market, sell them for $12 each [or 16 Brass at the end of the day], sell almost all of them, and you can still put on a really nice event.   ;D