AUGUST 29-30
PDGA B-TIER
10th Stop on the WISCONSIN TOUR
Online registration available at WIDYE (http://www.widye.com)
You can also find a flyer attached. Feel free to download and post at local course.
Quick Details:
Two Rounds of 20 Holes
Saturday: All Pro Divisions, All Advanced Divisions
Both rounds from the Long Tees
Sunday: Intermediate Men/Women, Recreational Men/Women, Juniors
Intermediate Men: Long Tees, Short Tees; All Other Divisoins: Short Tees, Short Tees
Player's Meeting and Check-in Times TBD.
CFR discs available soon. Come back for details!
Any questions please feel free to contact me.
Are Advanced Masters playing the longs?
Quote from: shawn on July 16, 2009, 12:37:34 PM
Are Advanced Masters playing the longs?
We'll talk.
I think it's a good chance we'll be doing one round long, one round short for Adv. Masters and Adv. Grandmasters.
What Junior divisions are offered? 19 16 13? I've been playin junior this year cause u dont need PDGA membership or extra $10. Next year tho I'll probably play Novice or Rec so watch out. ;)
If there is a specific junior division requested please put in the message box when registering online or put on registration form. In order to compete for a trophy there should be a minimum of 3 players in division.
i could get some friends 2 come but what wud i do if there arent 3 and im signed up? I could play rec but then i ahve to pay extra 10 right?
You can still play in your division and get paid out but there won't be a trophy included in the payout.
From WiDye:
"We have Champ Teerex X, Champ Glo Whippet X's, Champ Glo XCaliber, Champ Glo Teebird TL's, Champ Glow Aviars."
The above discs are being sold for $18/each.
"I also have available a limited run TFR Champion Glo Cobras 167g-180g with the Team Innova Swoosh Hot Stamp. I was told only 2000 were produced. There selling for $20 each
I know there are a few on ebay: CFR SELECTION (http://stores.shop.ebay.com/WIDYE-CUSTOM-DYED-DISC-GOLF__W0QQ_armrsZ1)
You could also email/PM me. I'm not sure of all the weights so I'd have to contact Josh.
Please consider supporting the Prairie Open.
Thanks.
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BRING YOUR RAFFLE MONEY!
We will again be having our annual raffle to assist in our course maintenance/development. We are getting very close to finalizing the layout for the new nine holes on the east side of campus. We've had a few discussions with faculty/staff and believe we have come to a "coexisting" conclusion. Baskets have been sitting in storage for over a year. They're itching to be installed.
CFR DISCS FOR SALE:
Please consider purchasing a CFR disc to assist us in sponsoring the event. All discs come with a certificate for entry into INNOVA's drawings. List of discs include:
- Champion Glow Whippet X
- Champion Glow Xcalibur
- Champion Glow TL
- Champion Glow Aviar
- Eco Star Wraith
- Champion TeeRex-X
Let me know if you have any questions.
I can't miss this one.
Looking forward to seeing all you IL golfers up here next weekend.. Sponsors are coming in so it looks like it could be a good year to play.. With the prairie fairly high this year we will have a lot of spotters out there to keep the flow going.
Will there be a merch selller here or is it only going to be what is expensive at the bookstore?
Quote from: SERG on July 26, 2009, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: shawn on July 16, 2009, 12:37:34 PM
Are Advanced Masters playing the longs?
We'll talk.
I think it's a good chance we'll be doing one round long, one round short for Adv. Masters and Adv. Grandmasters.
Hi Serg:
What's the status on this? The latest flyer I saw says everyone on Sat plays longs both rounds; I don't want to bother practiicing the short tees if we're not playing 'em. ;)
Looking forward to making it this year...
Answers to a couple of questions:
Vendor:
WiDye will be the sole vendor accepting amateur prize money. The University Bookstore will probably not be open as well as not a part of the event.
Damon:
Adv. Masters/GM will be playing one round from the longs, one from the shorts. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to update the flyer.
Website:
The Prairie Open website is up and running...FINALLY
www.theprairieopen.com
The course is playing much tougher. The fairways on the so called open holes have been narrowed considerably, the prairie grass is 4' tall in most spots. It doesn't look like the course has gotten as much play since it has been reconfigured. It should be a great event.
Course is currently in tournament placements.
Hole#1 is around the corner.
Hole #6 is far right.
Hole #13 is long and right.
Hole #15 is long and right.
Hole #16 is up into the woods.
Hole #17 will stay to the left (Sorry, Tom we switched it this morning. We made a decision to keep it left so hopefully less people throw to out over the prairie and don't make it back)
Hole #18 will be played in reverse like last year. I will try to get flags out there tomorrow. If I don't they will be there by Thursday for sure.
Hole #19 will be similar to last year. You will tee throwing to north of hole #18's long basket kind of toward the flag poles. There is a new sidewalk that has been put in. It will play with OB on or over both sidewalks and the road.
Hole #20 will be along the sidewalk path back to hole #1. It will be about a 250' hole with the OB on or over the sidewalk, an OB line at the edge of the prairie grass and a black construction fence. This should be a fun hole if the wind is coming in off the lake as it was today.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Quote from: SERG on August 23, 2009, 06:33:45 AM
Answers to a couple of questions:
Vendor:
WiDye will be the sole vendor accepting amateur prize money. The University Bookstore will probably not be open as well as not a part of the event.
Damon:
Adv. Masters/GM will be playing one round from the longs, one from the shorts. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to update the flyer.
Website:
The Prairie Open website is up and running...FINALLY
www.theprairieopen.com
So will WiDye have a bunch of discs, or only the ones that they dye?
Quote from: StrikerME02 on August 23, 2009, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: SERG on August 23, 2009, 06:33:45 AM
Answers to a couple of questions:
Vendor:
WiDye will be the sole vendor accepting amateur prize money. The University Bookstore will probably not be open as well as not a part of the event.
Damon:
Adv. Masters/GM will be playing one round from the longs, one from the shorts. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to update the flyer.
Website:
The Prairie Open website is up and running...FINALLY
www.theprairieopen.com
So will WiDye have a bunch of discs, or only the ones that they dye?
They'll have bunches. ;) They sponsored the Saukville tournament and had a nice selection.
As Damon mentioned, WiDye offers a very wide selection of plastic, however, it is all Innova...maybe a few Millennium mixed in. He also carries all the accessories, clothing, stools, bags, straps, etc.
Quote from: SERG on August 23, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
As Damon mentioned, WiDye offers a very wide selection of plastic, however, it is all Innova...maybe a few Millennium mixed in. He also carries all the accessories, clothing, stools, bags, straps, etc.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..............................looking for a bunch of Discraft stuff, and another Wizard. Ah well.
Are Intermediate and Rec playing the same layout both rounds? I would much rather play a round of longs than play a round with a small group of propogators.
Since posting last night I have noticed that it does appear that IIntermediates will play longs and shorts and the rest of the field only shorts. Since I don't plan on winning anything anyway, I want to play in the largest pool. If there are more intermediates, I will play intermediate. If we all play the same course, I will play Rec.
Just paid my 55 bucks to play advanced at this 1 day B tier......
If it fills or comes close (currently just 30 players signed up for Sat.) then I guess thats the right price, but if the attendance is low its because of that high entry fee. I understand there are fees involved with the WI tour, parkside univ., PDGA, etc...but intermediate is being run for 35 bucks, so its unusual to see a 20 dollar increase to 55 for advanced. If you haven't read the news lately, people do not have as much disposable income these days.
Any idea how much added cash is involved here?
Thanks
-Will we have to buy a parking permit?
Quote from: CHUD on August 25, 2009, 08:02:24 AM
-Will we have to buy a parking permit?
Permits are not required on weekends.
I believe the entry fee for the Prairie Open has been pretty much the same for the past few years. The fee is also pretty consistent with many of the WI Tour stops (within $5-$10). You're right, there are fees. And the flyer explains to a player exactly what fees are included in the entry.
As for added cash, we're continuously receiving sponsorshp monies each day...are they huge? Unfortunately not. But they have been gracious: Dave Light has graciously sponsored the course rental. Dave is a local golfer, employee at the university and volunteers his time to help maintain the course. He'll be spotting on hole #10 all weekend. Sponsorship is something I hope we can work on for the upcoming Open events. I won't explain myself as to the challenges of finding sponsorship because many of you know as TD's yourselves. And yes, in this economy, businesses in our area just don't have the extra cash to sponsor an event where they will receive no return.
Trophies have been donated and will not be taken out of player fees.
I don't have exact numbers on the added cash, but I will tell you that for having less than a dozen cash sponsors, we've received just about $1500 (which in my mind is pretty good). That number doesn't include the CFR disc sales and money that hasn't been collected. Granted, the $1500 won't all go into payout directly but my goal is to at least have all the fees reimbursed by sponsorship.
The entries are consistent with the rest of the WI Tour, and maybe it works for the best, but maybe the WI Tour could get alot more amateur players if they came down a bit on their entries. I'm just throwing it out there. Its a noticably higher entry fee than I see for any other 1 day PDGA events. Something tells me the amateur player base would rather pay a lower entry fee and get less of a player pack and less of a payout. By having a steep $20 incline from Intermed. to Advanced, it seems like the assumption is that Advanced players want to gamble more money than Intermed. players in the hopes of scoring a large payout. It almost seems like a penalty for having a rating over 934. At 921, I would be playing Int. on Sunday if it fit into my schedule. As it is, I am really looking forward to playing Parkside for the 1st time this year so I'll bite the bullet and pay the 55 bucks on Saturday. Its going to be a fun time.
Also, the Open entry fee is a bit high by comparison with other 1 day events as well. There are probably some players out there staring at the Pre-Reg list seeing just 6 players signed up in Open, with 2 of them being Schultz and Heeren. They have to ask themselves if they want to gamble 70 dollars in the hopes they can beat the other 4 guys and come out even money for the day. Kind of takes some of the fun out of it I would imagine.
Other Advanced entry fees for 1 day events this weekend...
Missouri 40 bucks
Bowling Green 40 bucks
Georgia 30 bucks
Maryland 30 bucks
Ohio 35 bucks
Moline, IL 46 bucks
Michigan 38 bucks
Parkside, WI 55 bucks
ouch, that is a bit high
Intermediate it is for me that weekend
Not sure if there will be ctp and ace added on to the entry fee.. But dont forget the three dollar internet fee.. so it could be a few more dollars... I agree with dan 58 is a bit steep.
Both Days:
$2 Ace Pool
One round WI Tour CTP (each recognized division)
One round WiDye CTP (each division)
Prime DIscs CTP (one on Saturday, one on Sunday)
A couple other CTP's are in the works.
I like to see the discussion on entry fees. Criticisms will be taken into consideration for next year's Prairie Open.
For those that are not familiar, the WI TOUR has a $3 participation fee (tour finale event and course development fund). I know the IOS has a "points race" that offers trophies for the end of the year top finishers. Are there fees/player for this? Do other states/clubs run similar things? Just wondering if there are other "tours" similar to Wisconsin where fees are charged.
WEATHER FORECAST (http://www.weather.com/weather/weekend/USWI0360?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared)
Nice cool weather, slight chance of rain. Hopefully the rain comes and goes before Saturday.
These are my observations, not to be taken as criticisms.
As Dan has pointed out, if a tourney fills at $X, then $X isn't too high an entry fee; if it doesn't, maybe you should think about lowering the entry fee.
In general, WI events do seem to have a steeper price. Manitowoc, for one example, which I still played through the years since I love Silver Creek and it's always a great time, even when (usually) I don't play well. Since they added the 2nd course I lost interest (I felt like I was going to kill myself crossing the RR trestle last year at the new course, which has some potential but was nowhere near a tourney-worthy course; besides which Silver Creek is just an overall pleasure to play...) - since Sinnissippi was the same weekend it was a no-brainer for me to pass on Manitowoc this year - only the 2nd time I've missed it since they started it. (I meant to email the TD there about this but I never did, as I couldn't have made it up there this year anyhow, really...)
I've mentioned before that the trophy-only option, of which the IOS has been in the forefront, has spoiled me for/from entering a lot of tournaments that don't offer it, particularly in IL. I really really wish more TDs would offer it, but I can see from a business standpoint (only) why they don't.
I'm not saying that anyone's trying to rip anyone off, nor am I saying that tournament organizers aren't entitled to make a profit from everything that goes into planning and running a tournament (I know that few ever do really profit). I've always sort of preferred playing in WI events for the overall vibe, but there's no question IMO that they're more expensive. I paid the $38 for the old guys' division @ Prairie, I'm looking forward to it, but I wouldn't pay any more for it. ;)
Just throwing it out there ... www.iRegisteredOnline.com is also offering registration. I know many of you have used my site in the past and like that my site is an OPTION for many events that you play in. It is in fact the standard $5 online fee to use it.
I know this isn't exactly "timely" as it relates to fees and costs and such but I'm just reminding everyone it's an option.
Enjoy Parkside and enjoy the event and "Thank You" to Serg for stepping up as the TD because if he didn't, there might not have been a Prairie Open.
Terry
When does online registration close?
I can't speak for Terry's site (www.iregisteredonline.com) but WiDye has informed me he will keep registration open until late Friday evening.
Forecast has changed slightly with sunnier skies coming.
Hope to see you out here.
Looks like a nice sunny 60 degree fall day tomorrow. Better than the constant rain for the last 3 days. Should be good times!
I am not sure if I am going to be able to attend so if I will be able to I will be paying the raised fee the day of the tournament.
Signed up through WIDYE yesterday and im not showin up. Just wanted to make sure I'm ok for 2marrow SERG.
Thanks,
Steven Jacobs
Quote from: Steven Jacobs on August 29, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
Signed up through WIDYE yesterday and im not showin up. Just wanted to make sure I'm ok for 2marrow SERG.
Thanks,
Steven Jacobs
Maybe bring your receipt with you Steven. A couple others had the same issue today, but Serg had no problem with it so hpefully you'll be alright if your payment went through.
Quote from: Dan Michler on August 29, 2009, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: Steven Jacobs on August 29, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
Signed up through WIDYE yesterday and im not showin up. Just wanted to make sure I'm ok for 2marrow SERG.
Thanks,
Steven Jacobs
Maybe bring your receipt with you Steven. A couple others had the same issue today, but Serg had no problem with it so hpefully you'll be alright if your payment went through.
It's ok I show up now
I'm cleared to go, Will be signing up at the event. IT will be my first time playing the course this year. Last year when I played it it was when it was only 18holes.
Thanks Serg, Paul and everyone involved today. Good times for the most part. ;)
Parkside is a great course; I miss a couple of the old holes but the new ones have their own character and maybe more than make up for the old ones. The pin placement for #13 this weekend is brutal but not 'unfair'. (I think it's 13; long, long and right...)
You'll have a better idea on #20 if you review the scores on that hole, but I hope there's not a big backup on Sunday if it's windy! Next year maybe you should allow a drop zone after the 2nd OB drive, say. I was lucky (or maybe smart? nah) enough to deuce it both times, but I know that someone went OB 5 straight times and wound up with a 13. Granted, he could have laid up after maybe the 3rd try, but it still seems overly punitive to retee, esp when it's windy, although not overly windy by Parkside standards.
Again, it didn't affect me directly, but it does seem a bit over the top.
Glad I made it this year, hope I can make it next year... (I hope I can be anywhere next year.... :P )
I'm not sure if this is Sergio's 1st time as a TD, but he did a good job on Saturday. Things moved along nicely and we were out of there after awards by around 5pm I believe.
I enjoyed the course layout as this was my 1st time playing the redesign, but I do miss the old holes. Hole 13 was a brutal hole that you could easily take a 3 or a 5. Hole 12 right before it was a great par 3. Hole 20 was a simple 200 footer with nothing in your way, but some tight OB and heavy wind caused some problems for alot of folks (including myself as I took a 5 there the 2nd rd, hurtful!). I think if you look at the spread of scores on each hole you'll see there was a good variety which is the sign of a good course to me. Alot of opps to make up strokes on your competitors.
good shooting Matt and Dave. Keep it up you 2.
I had a great time at this even teven though I was shooting that great. First round a disgusting 74, cleaned it up a little bit in the second round with a 65.
Thanks Serge, Josh, Carla and everybody including an army of spotters for running a great tournament. I won won of Barret's Coyotes with a Micky Mouse design in the raffle. Thanks Barrett.
Stan made the shot of the day on the first woods hole, #6 in round two. He missed his line and went throgh a thicket of trees in the direction of the basket on a hole that is a sharp lefty dogleg. He hit nothing and was parked for a deuce. Throw? I don't think he could walk that route again without hitting a tree or three.
Quote from: damonshort on August 29, 2009, 08:00:44 PM
You'll have a better idea on #20 if you review the scores on that hole, but I hope there's not a big backup on Sunday if it's windy! Next year maybe you should allow a drop zone after the 2nd OB drive, say. I was lucky (or maybe smart? nah) enough to deuce it both times, but I know that someone went OB 5 straight times and wound up with a 13. Granted, he could have laid up after maybe the 3rd try, but it still seems overly punitive to retee, esp when it's windy, although not overly windy by Parkside standards.
Again, it didn't affect me directly, but it does seem a bit over the top.
Definitely seen many circles on the scorecard for this hole and I did see some higher numbers...the person who threw the 13 on the hole told me he was not too fond of it and wanted to know whose idea it was. The hole was decided upon by a few people; initially it was going to go behind the trees. Long story short, you never how the wind is going blow on this course. The decision to retee was to simulate a hole that would test a player's decision to "play the course." I watched my lovely wife take a 9 on that hole (thougth for sure I was sleeping on the couch last night). I know we're no where near the caliber and layout of a course like Winthrop University but holes #3 and #17 play similar. I remember watching Avery take a 7 on #3 with the same rules, retee if you go OB. This was my attempt to test the concept. I thought this was a better hole to try it rather than making #5 an island hole (which still may be seen next year >:D )
As I get time to look over the scorecards again I will post to see the average score...the range was obviously 2 through 13.
Thank you to all who came out to support hte event. Discontinuum had a great group of supporters on both days.
Results have been posted for both days. I had to adjust the course layout for yesterday's afternoon rounds and the unofficial ratings did change.
Serg,
There is no reason you should feel bad about the decision to have the OB & retee rule on that hole. There were many options a player could make. Instead of a 13 they could have thrown a putter 120ft, putter 120ft, and putter tap in and take a 3.
Thanks for the hard work!
Really enjoyed the Prairie Open, rec style... Loved hole 20. I like any hole that has a little risk reward and forces you to make a good shot. I understand the wind was alot more swift on Saturday but the players playing were also more skilled. You can't control the wind but a good hole is a good hole. It seems like any hole with OB there will be one or two players that take a high number and then want to bitch at the TD...,.
Thanks Serg, the WiDye team, and all those spotters for a quality event. Couldn't ask for better golf....
I don't feel bad. I think it was a good hole. I know when I played it messing around I only had one of my three shots land in bounds...and I didn't take a 2.
And I know Damon wasn't complainig ( ??? ) but I thought I would just address the question/concern.
I know Dan mentioned it and he is correct, this was my first sanctioned event and I plan to do nothing but learn from it. I've played some great events and have learned what is liked, disliked and completely disgusted. I think the IOS has been great with getting scores and unofficial ratings up quickly. I tried to make sure I had scores up quickly and think that worked well. Alot of things that I've definitely taken for granted for on the TD side of things...I don't know how TD's run and play an event at the same time.
Sorry to the groups on Sunday who didn't have a spotter on hole #1. There was supposed to be someone there, and I won't mention his/her name, but he/she didn't make it out there. Hope no one had a terrible time on that hole.
Quote from: SERG on August 30, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
And I know Damon wasn't complainig ( ??? ) but I thought I would just address the question/concern.
not at all. I actually didn't have trouble on that hole, and as Brett said you certainly have the option to just pooch it out there.
Again, great job on the tournament.
I think disc golfers need more holes like this. There are way too many disc golfers that think that the way to lower score is always a straight line from the tee to the basket. You have to learn to play within your limits and make good decisions. It doesn't make any sense to try to save one throw on shot that you will only make 1 out of 4 times...but you see guys do it all the time!
Sorry to the groups on Sunday who didn't have a spotter on hole #1. There was supposed to be someone there, and I won't mention his/her name, but he/she didn't make it out there. Hope no one had a terrible time on that hole.
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ahhh yaa. ummm. yaaa.. I resemble that remark.. The Fat Abby Irish Red at Schaub's did me in, the night before.
BTW on hole #6 going to the right side threw the woods is a local route... Serg has that route perfected.
Quote from: shawn on September 01, 2009, 03:52:57 PM
Sorry to the groups on Sunday who didn't have a spotter on hole #1. There was supposed to be someone there, and I won't mention his/her name, but he/she didn't make it out there. Hope no one had a terrible time on that hole.
ahhh yaa. ummm. yaaa.. I resemble that remark.. The Fat Abby Irish Red at Schaub's did me in, the night before.
BTW on hole #6 going to the right side threw the woods is a local route... Serg has that route perfected.
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Shawn- Thanks for spotting on Saturday. Also thanks to Paul, Dave, Carla, Josh, Adrian Sr. Serg, and all the others that I haven't included for all the hard work. It was a great weekend. The course is looking very nice. Having spotters was very helpful and kept the round running smooth. Routing 18 in the other direction, along with holes 19 and 20 made for a nice flow. Hole #13 is brutal in that pin position.
Again- thank you for a great event.