Wildcat Springs Park- Hamilton IL --2 rounds( Sundays rounds will be on the long layout)
Gordons Grove Park -Hamilton Il -13 & under Jr players(large Jr turnout)
Rand Park Keokuk IA- 2 rounds
All Players get a disc(champion plastic)& mini in the players pack
Added Cash
$1500- Open Men
$1000- Open Women's
$ 500- Open Masters
Baskets for all Am winners
Entry Fees
$60 Open Men
$40 Open Women's
$35 Open Masters
$35 all Am's
$20 Jr's
Camping available on the course with showers
lunch will be served
Spaghetti diner & putting contest Saturday night
Preregistration available on the PDGA schedule board
For More info call Roger Mcdermott @ 217-847-3645 or ckasbur@hotmail.com
This tournament is going to be sweet!
I will be there for sure.
this tourney is a must go to......
Quote from: OvEr HaNd AsSaSiN on August 05, 2009, 10:16:36 AM
this tourney is a must go to......
Thanks, the preregistration is finally up and running at the PDGA schedule page
For anyone wanting to practice Rand Park the new signs are up and the course is almost ready to go.
Anyone interested in sponsorship can contact Roger McDermott at 217-430-5751 or ckasbur@hotmail.com
Signed up today. Can't wait.
Dropped my reg in the mail today. This will be my 4th trip to Hamilton. Can't wait!
The Holiday Inn just across the bridge is where several players are staying.
Nate Doss just registered
Do the Advanced and Open players play the same course at the same time?
Quote from: KenGmoney1 on September 15, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
Do the Advanced and Open players play the same course at the same time?
Most likely, we are waiting to see what the pre reg looks like.
I will be in Chicago next week on business and would love to get away and play in this event. If someone could provide me transportation from Chicago, I would pay for gas and hotel room for Friday and Saturday night. I couldn't leave Chicago until after 5:00 pm. I am an advanced master from Dallas. If interested or know of someone who might be, PM me or give me a call at 214-725-7568.
Mike Anderson
PDGA #21704
Pre reg's are coming in and it looks like the open division are going to be tough
What day and round does each division which course?
Dang, maybe I should go to Channahon ;D
Registration is at hole 1 Wildcat. Pro and Advanced will play Rand both mornings and Wilcat in the afternoon
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 22, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Dang, maybe I should go to Channahon ;D
Just before I saw this post I was thinking, "You can tell Brett plays for the fun and not for the money."
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 23, 2009, 08:33:05 AM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 22, 2009, 07:56:09 PM
Dang, maybe I should go to Channahon ;D
Just before I saw this post I was thinking, "You can tell Brett plays for the fun and not for the money."
That is for sure. If I played for strictly for money i'd be playing Channahon. Hamilton is a fun place to play disc golf. The entry for an A-Tier is on the low side and we got a cheap hotel room at the Super 8. Can't wait to play 4 rounds of golf.
11 Pros registered right now and 7 of them are 1010 rated or higher including a couple world champions. I'm sure there will be quite a few more registrations that will equal this spread out a bit, but that would be the most impressive 11 player field Illinois has ever seen! They are taking day-of, so anybody could show up last second.
Also, just 2 Pro Women signed up...Des and Val. Winner take all $1000 added cash?
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 23, 2009, 08:37:36 AM
11 Pros registered right now and 7 of them are 1010 rated or higher including a couple world champions. I'm sure there will be quite a few more registrations that will equal this spread out a bit, but that would be the most impressive 11 player field Illinois has ever seen! They are taking day-of, so anybody could show up last second.
Also, just 2 Pro Women signed up...Des and Val. Winner take all $1000 added cash?
Well Dan, put on a skirt and shoot about 980 golf for the weekend. >:D
Quote from: Chainmeister on September 23, 2009, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 23, 2009, 08:37:36 AM
11 Pros registered right now and 7 of them are 1010 rated or higher including a couple world champions. I'm sure there will be quite a few more registrations that will equal this spread out a bit, but that would be the most impressive 11 player field Illinois has ever seen! They are taking day-of, so anybody could show up last second.
Also, just 2 Pro Women signed up...Des and Val. Winner take all $1000 added cash?
Well Dan, put on a skirt and shoot about 980 golf for the weekend. >:D
It might take better than that. Sarah Stanhope shot a 1021 the last round of USWDGC last weekend to win it over Val. What happened to Tschiggfrie? She wasn't at the USWDGC in her own backyard?
I'd be surprised if some more ladies don't show up. 1000 bucks added for 2 women and 1500 for 11 men seems like a strange ratio of added cash, but hey, I guess its the TD's choice to use that money he raised however he chooses. I think something like 2500 open/500 women/0 masters would make more sense.
E-mac & Liz are in Hamilton camping and will be playing
There should be a separate division called 'Illinois Pro'.
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 24, 2009, 07:01:01 AM
There should be a separate division called 'Illinois Pro'.
In Michigan that division is called Advanced.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 24, 2009, 08:08:08 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 24, 2009, 07:01:01 AM
There should be a separate division called 'Illinois Pro'.
In Michigan that division is called Advanced.
Other than Bennett, every Michigan pro would be getting their ass kicked by the Pro field in Hamilton as well. He's your only Pro rated 1010 or higher. There are 8 of those guys in a 15 player field in Hamilton. So, if there were any Michigan players travelling to Hamilton, they'd be welcome to join the 'Illinois Pro' division.
Also, in regards to your past comments about the Michigan advanced field being so much tougher: I just made a spreadsheet including the top 35 amateur ratings for individuals with atleast 10 rounds in the database for Illinois and Michigan.
Illinois range is 965-940
Michigan range is 977 to 943
Illinois average is 948.5
Michigan average is 952.7
So the Michigan advanced field is, on average, less than 1/2 a stroke better than the Illinois advanced field. I guess I don't see that as being THAT much better?
Also by comparison,
North Carolina ams are at 957.2
Texas 956.7
California 960.9
On the Pro side, no state is in the same league as California with 26 pros rated 1000 or higher and 10 of them over 1020.
I think my past comments were said in the past, when it was true. ;D I don't think I've said that at all this year. The Illinois pool of Advanced Amateurs has grown quite a bit in the last few years. It is a much tougher field than it used to be.
Still, if we only had to beat the average player in the top 35, that would make it a lot easier! Usually you have to beat all of them who show up.
So, it's more about raw numbers than averages. 60 versus 45 amateurs rated over 940 in each state. 81 versus 54 total Advanced Amateurs in each state. And sometimes you have to beat a few Intermediates too.
Of course, as I've observed as to North Carolina on pdga.com, all it takes to have a lot of talent in the Advanced division is a lot of Advanced amateurs who for one reason or another aren't going pro!
That was like throwing a rock at a pack of pit bulls! ;D
I'm hoping the grouping of Pros will be spread out during the first round. Right now there are 8 1000 rated pros compared to 7 Under 1000 pros. I cannot stand big events that put all those guys on 2 cards and lets the other guys play together all weekend.
I think TDs who do that don't understand what they are selling.
Good luck boys! :headbang:
i'm really excited for this tourney. i'm leaving tomorrow morning so I can play Rand since I've never played it. I LOVE Wildcat, I think it is a gorgeous course. I would love to sit and watch Avery attack hole one, I'm thinking he would do what nikko tried last year, a super anny around the left side of the big tree only I think Avery has the power to land it under the basket for an insane 2. i'm staying at the Fairfield Inn this weekend,I am all camped out this year after camping with no electric for Worlds. Although I recommend camping, it was really fun the last two years I went to the tourney. Anyone know if they are doing the ace race friday evening like they have the past couple of years?
Dan and Stank left a few minutes ago. I am totally bummed to not be in the car heading to Hamilton. I have attended the past 4 years and have had a blast. I was really looking forward to playing a new course and 4 rounds this weekend. Wed night I got sick with the flu. I took the day off work yesterday and thought i'd be ok this morning. I still had a temp so I decided to stay home. I wish I could predict the future. If I knew I was going to be ok tomorrow i'd take the 5 hour trip today and sleep in the car. This sucks!
:sad4:
Get well soon. Everyone in Hamilton appreciates you for not spreading your flu.
Get well today. Go play Channy Sunday.
Likely story, see you at Channy!
Quote from: dana on September 25, 2009, 07:05:29 AM
Likely story, see you at Channy!
Trust me. If I was not sick i'd be playing Hamilton over Channahon 100 out of 100 times no matter who was playing. I paid for the hotel using orbitz and sent my registration several weeks ago so i'm out money. It's very disappointing. I burned a sick day yesterday and a personel day today doing absolutely nothing. I was looking forward to 3 days of disc golf.
Dan and Stank arrived just before noon. Rumor has it Feldberg is in town.
This is how you get your money back from both of them. You call the TD/hotel and say, "Look, I pre-registered/booked a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm sick with the swine flu. I'd be happy to stay home, and not infect you and everyone else at your tournament/hotel if you'd give me a refund/free nights on a future stay." >:D
Brett-
I was just kidding around. Actually, the first thing that came to mind was you having to burn personal/vacation days when you were actually sick. I do hope you feel better and hope to see you healthy and slammin putts at Channy Sunday..
Hole #1. Hyzer on right side. Over the Forest. Has been parked by Mike Robinson. Jenks shud be able to do that!
I was hoping to wake up this afternoon in Hamilton. I realized when I was at home I was still in bed. It was the right decision. I still feel bad.
I played with Mike when he took a 2 on hole #1. He had to make a putt outside of the circle to get that 2. He immediately gave that stroke back on #2 with a 4.
Open 20 Pros
1. Nikko 88
2. McCabe 90
3. Duncan 92
4. Doss 94
4. Avery 94
6. Olsen 95
7. Robinson 96
8. Bennett 97
9. Reading 98
10. Sprague 100
Pro Women
1. Val 107
2. Lopez 109
Pro Master
1. Harper 94
2. Harmon 95
3. Strasser 97
Advanced
1. Chad Nelson 99
1. Glassman 99
3. Farnsworth 102
4. Calloway 102
4. Dave Nelson 102
5. Dan Michler 103
Intermediate
1. Nance 103
2. Carter 105
2. Spencer Wilken 105
4. Roberts 107
5. Garlock 108
Recreational
1. Stank 115
2. Kruse 117
3. Feltenspein 118
Above were the scores from Day 1.
Dan mentioned the pro men were irritated with the payouts. $1000 was added to the 3 player division of women. 1st in Pro Women is winning more than the 1st of Open Men.
There was 1 card of pro men that play an incorrect long tee. I believe he said it was Jenkins, Doss, Reading, & Olsen.
The TD has put in a massive effort to really do his best to make this a great event. There has been food at the course which is convenient and appreciated. Its clear he doesn't have alot of experience with PDGA events but genuinely listens to the criticisms and wants to make the tourney better. I'd rate this as a great event and I think if they run it again they'll work out the few glitches and make it even better. I'd agree it might be a good idea to toss a higher percentage of that added cash toward the Open Men who are battling in an extremely competitive field whereas the women have a 3 player field but are competing for more cash. The payout is 648 for 1st in Open 691 for 1st in the 3 player Open Women.
Weather has been great. Keokuk is a fun course in a city park with alot of easy birdie holes with a couple tough par 4's and several good par 3's that demand great shots. 43 was the hot round this morning, but I expect to see a 42 or 41 tomorrow (unless it gets super windy). This course cuold me made alot tougher if they threw in some more OB. They did a pretty good job this year spray painting the OB lines at Hamilton. The course played tough today with some tight OB lines on a couple holes. Nikko's 43 was impressive. Unfortunately there was the error with Doss/Jenkins/Reading/Olsen's card where they mistakenly played a wrong tee. They were the only group on the course, which was pretty much ful,l to make this mistake. It cost them all 2 strokes. The TD apologized to them afterwards and took the blame although there was nothing he could do at that point.
I've had fun being on the same courses as these guys and being able to see them throw quite a bit. They are unreal! Looking forward to 2 more rounds tomorrow. Should be an interesting day.
Good luck dan!
Glad to see farnsworth reppin' for the deaf guys.
OPEN
1. Nikko 179
2. McCabe 180
3. Jenkins 186
4. Doss 188
5. Reading 192
6. Duncan 193
6. Olsen 193
8. Bennett 194
9. Robinson 198
9. Sprague 198
Open Women
1. Lopez 209
2. Jenkins 209
Pro Masters
1. Strasser 195
2. Harper 200
3. Harmon 206
Advanced
1. AtwaterTaylor 199
2. Chad Nelson 201
3. Glassman 202
4. Dave Nelson 203
5. Calloway 208
Intermediate
1. Spencer Wilken 213
2. Garlock 218
3. Feeley 220
4. Manuel 221
4. Zimmerman 221
4. Nance 221
Recreational
1. Feltenskein 241
2. Stank 241
Advanced Master
1. Jeff Wilken 218
I wish I could have played rand 4 times! I shot -5 and -6 for the two times we played it. I had it's number for sure. About the mis-play on the tee. Jenkins, Reading, and I forget the third guy, played the "pro" tee even though nothing was mentioned about it at the player meeting. Nate Doss then played the concrete and stroked the other guys. Kind of funny the next day when avery was on top card, he kept giving Doss crap about how he was going to stroke him at Rand all day. That should be an interesting drive home haha.
So they would only be assessed a 1 stroke penalty for a practice throw??
It was well advertised that there was 1000 going to open, 1000 to womens and 500 to masters so they really have no right to complain. Although I knew seeing all those top names there that there would be some bitching.
2 strokes for playing the course incorrectly.
Since Doss figured it out before he threw, they'll each only get one for a practice throw. If they threw a second, then it would be a "finish the hole +2".
I think that's what happened, because they all took 4s and they had all birdied it from the long. Doss only got a 3 from the short. and it's pretty short compared to the long. Karma?
Thats not the first time I've heard of Doss going out of his way to stroke someone (if indeed he did let them play from the wrong tee)
I once let opponents play from the wrong tee and then stroked them.
It was a doubles tournament at Robert Morris, before it had concrete long tees. After the morning round from shorts Diana and I were in second of the four Am Master teams. She was playing really well and contributing immensely. The group in first was way ahead, four or five throws. In the afternoon round we were paired with the group in first for the first time that day. For some reason these guys were totally dissing her all round, not talking to her, not responding when she talked to them, talking to me as if she wasn't there. We played several holes in a row that only had one tee. Then we got to a hole with two tees and they had honors. Diana says, "Guys, we're playing long tees." They ignore her and one of them steps up to throw. Diana says, "Guys, we're playing long tees." They ignore her again except one of them gives her a dirty look as if to say, shut up while we're throwing. Diana says, "Guys, we're playing long tees," a third time, and I say, "Shhh, they're throwing."
That's the funny part of the story. ;D The rest of the round was a little icy. >:D
Quote from: SIUFrolf on September 28, 2009, 10:20:57 AM
I think that's what happened, because they all took 4s and they had all birdied it from the long. Doss only got a 3 from the short. and it's pretty short compared to the long. Karma?
This is how it went. Earlier in the week Yeti helped build a new tee pad and helped clear the left side of the fairway and was told that was the tee we were playing. We went along with it as nothing was said in the players meeting. When we got to the hole no other groups were around and since Jay helped with the tee and hole we thought it was ideal that thats the tee we played. All 4 of us teed from the wrong pad. Jay, Avery, and myself got 2's. Nate took a 3. So at the end of the round we had to add 2 strokes to our score. I thought everyone handled it well but it did make me feel like shit. I think it was a learing experience for us all. The td also felt bad. None of us had ever done this before. Ultimately it is up to the disc golfers to know the course and you have to take responsibility for your mistakes.
Thanks for clarifying Adam, I was pretty sure the story about Doss was not true. Its commendable that you handled it professionally instead of letting out your frustration on the TD as many would have. 2 strokes is obviously a large penalty.
On a sidenote, I practiced the day before from the long tee which I was told we would be playing and its a great hole. A large improvement from the short tee which is almost an automatic deuce for the Pros. Look forward to playing it next year.
I had a blast last weekend playing on the same course as the Pros. Watching their shots on Hole 1 both rounds was especially entertaining. The final round had a pretty strong wind and Bennett threw this ridiculous forehand shot over the top of everything and I was told he ended up carding a 2. You had to be there to appreciate that shot. Avery went for the over the top anhyzer over the OB, but it stalled and amazingly the wind carried it all the way back in bounds. It was in the air for seemingly 10 seconds for a 250 foot shot. After Jay Reading threw a safe layup shot with a midrange, Avery said... 'a different version of the same thing'. Fun times!
Chad Nelson threw an amazing huge left hand hyzer bomb around the big tree on hole one. It landed on the edge of the circle. He made the putt for a duce. It was sick.