Looks like the Bears quarterback situation is as solid as ever: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/08/20/backups/2.html
What are you talking about, Hanie has been solid in every pre season game hes played in.
pre season vs the 2nd and 3rd stringers, he should look good! If Cutler goes down with an injury, the bears will struggle more. They will not win 9 games with Cutler!!!!
But on a Positive note on this season, and being a DIE HARD Steeler fan since 1978, I will dicuss a real teams season.
With the EASIEST schedule in all the NFL(not my rankings)......
1 Sep 10 TEN @ PIT Heinz Field
2 Sep 20 PIT @ CHI Soldier Field
3 Sep 27 PIT @ CIN Paul Brown Stadium
4 Oct 04 SD @ PIT Heinz Field
5 Oct 11 PIT @ DET Ford Field
6 Oct 18 CLE @ PIT Heinz Field
7 Oct 25 MIN @ PIT Heinz Field
8 Bye
9 Nov 09 PIT @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High
10 Nov 15 CIN @ PIT Heinz Field
11 Nov 22 PIT @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
12 Nov 29 PIT @ BAL M&T Bank Stadium
13 Dec 06 OAK @ PIT Heinz Field
14 Dec 10 PIT @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium
15 Dec 20 GB @ PIT Heinz Field
16 Dec 27 BAL @ PIT Heinz Field
17 Jan 03 PIT @ MIA Land Shark Stadium
and returning 20-22 starters from a Record 6th Super Bowl Championship, I will be very suprised if this team does not finish at least 12-4, winning the North once again. Picked by many, to return to the Superbowl, but a healthy Brady and the Patriots may have something to say about that.
Looking forward to next Thursday to kick off the season. Then will drive the 3 hours the following week to watch Cutler throw from his backside! OUCH!!
Thanks for that awesome breakdown of a team 1000 miles away.
Topic was 2009 NFL Season, not a topic about DUM BEARS! So thanks.
Maybe you should be a Yankees fan too, just take the easy way out.
Bears will not win 9 this year. My prediction for the 2009 Bears is...11-5. We'll see who's laughing when I dredge this thread up come January! ;D
Quote from: Dan Michler on August 31, 2009, 06:07:50 PM
Maybe you should be a Yankees fan too, just take the easy way out.
I don't know why I bother explaining this to you, but..
Father was born in Southern Illinois, grew up a Redbird fan, so I would never be a Yankees fan. I have a older brother born in 1966 that I always looked up to in every way. He was a Steelers fan, and had me watch the 78 Superbowl with him, and it stuck. The Steelers of the 70's dominated this league. About like they are doing the last 4-5 years, but your a little to young to remember the 70's. All you know is Chicago. I am soooo sorry for that. I can not help the fact I rout for CHAMPIONS, and your stuck with your pathetic teams.
Hope you find a way to get over that, and soon for your sake.
wow, what a game. Wish I had cable tv to watch the game - stupid comcast making me wait until tomorrow! streamed the game through my phone so that I could listen to Wayne Larrivee. They made the comment after one of the picks "who is this starting to remind you of? ... someone that's wearing purple now." I just watched some of the highlights - yikes on those passes, with the exception of the pick at the goal line. That was just an awesome catch to watch a fat guy make.
The Bears and Packers made way too many mistakes in that game, but the Packers capitalized on the Bear's mistakes and deserved the win. Both teams need to improve if they are to make an impact this year.
I have not been a fan of this coaching staff especially Ron Turner. The play calling was absolutely ridiculous in the first half. Forte touched the ball 8 times in the first half which is ridiculous. Cutler looked pretty good in the 2nd half when Forte touched it 17 times. The WR core is one of the worst in the NFL.
When it comes down to it we went 0 for 3 in the red zone. 0 for 2 goal to go. The defense had their chance to win the game as well and didn't get it done.
Urlacher out for the season and Pitt coming up. This could be a long season.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 14, 2009, 01:56:30 PM
I have not been a fan of this coaching staff especially Ron Turner. The play calling was absolutely ridiculous in the first half. Forte touched the ball 8 times in the first half which is ridiculous. Cutler looked pretty good in the 2nd half when Forte touched it 17 times. The WR core is one of the worst in the NFL.
When it comes down to it we went 0 for 3 in the red zone. 0 for 2 goal to go. The defense had their chance to win the game as well and didn't get it done.
Urlacher out for the season and Pitt coming up. This could be a long season.
Did Forte touch the ball once in the first quarter? It didn't seem like it. You didn't even mention the punt fake made even worse by the red flag because the Bears thought the Packers had too many men on the field. Whose call was that? That play and red flag was stupidity wrapped in ignorance!
It is amazing what a Bears football game does to the city. We flew down the Edens, had no delays on the Kennedy or the Dan Ryan, and only had one delay on the Skyway for a broken down truck blocking the tollbooth. Or did he just stop to listen to the game? ;D I was thinking, "Where is everybody?" Then, reading this thread, I realized everyone was home watching the game.
On the bright side, the Bears defense (especially the defensive line) was vastly improved over last year. Rodgers constantly pressured and sacked 4 times. Hopefully we keep playing like that all year and we'll atleast give our offense a chance to win games if they can improve and not turn the ball over 4 times a game (you think Orton would have thrown 4 picks?)
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 14, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
(you think Orton would have thrown 4 picks?)
No, but he never would have hit Hester for that touchdown either. Just have to improve the ratio a bit!
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 14, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
On the bright side, the Bears defense (especially the defensive line) was vastly improved over last year. Rodgers constantly pressured and sacked 4 times. Hopefully we keep playing like that all year and we'll atleast give our offense a chance to win games if they can improve and not turn the ball over 4 times a game (you think Orton would have thrown 4 picks?)
not much of a bright side, when they start 0-2 after Pitt stomps on them this weekend. Heck, Seattle may even beat them in week #3??
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 14, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 14, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
On the bright side, the Bears defense (especially the defensive line) was vastly improved over last year. Rodgers constantly pressured and sacked 4 times. Hopefully we keep playing like that all year and we'll atleast give our offense a chance to win games if they can improve and not turn the ball over 4 times a game (you think Orton would have thrown 4 picks?)
not much of a bright side, when they start 0-2 after Pitt stomps on them this weekend. Heck, Seattle may even beat them in week #3??
Wow, thats very insightful.
well, let's see if this is any better.
Without Urlacher, how will they ever win? I could post the entire article if needed, but....
The Bears have never won a game without at least some Urlacher presence. The 10-year veteran has missed just seven career games, all in 2004, and the Bears were 0-7 in those. Giving up 26.5 points per game.(Heath Miller has a huge game Sunday)
Cutler and his 4 Ints, looking just like Rexy Pooh. Might be a very long season again? Very lucky Polamalu is hurt. But the Steelers can win without Troy.
"the steelers will not win the ring this year or even go to the ship. Mark my words."
The Titans put up ridiculous numbers on them last week and unfortunately missed 2 field goals. Make those and game, set, match.
Side note my predictions are that if the Bears do not put up a winning record Lovie is out and I say Mike Himerdinger, Titans OC takes a Bears promotion. He is a former Round Lake native and played at EIU has two rings as WR coach with the Broncos.
To top if off Ben RothelHamburger gets violated underneath the bean
Speaking of Bears, Pittsburgh, & Lovie Smith.
Chicago Bears Head Coach next year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnSIJCZlcxo
Quote from: CEValkyrie on September 17, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
Speaking of Bears, Pittsburgh, & Lovie Smith.
Chicago Bears Head Coach next year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnSIJCZlcxo
We can only hope! It might take someone to die to get him though. Ask the Blackhawks about that.
Quote from: UMphreak on September 17, 2009, 08:41:57 PM
"the steelers will not win the ring this year or even go to the ship. Mark my words."
The Titans put up ridiculous numbers on them last week and unfortunately missed 2 field goals. Make those and game, set, match.
Side note my predictions are that if the Bears do not put up a winning record Lovie is out and I say Mike Himerdinger, Titans OC takes a Bears promotion. He is a former Round Lake native and played at EIU has two rings as WR coach with the Broncos.
To top if off Ben RothelHamburger gets violated underneath the bean
That is some good stuff. I think it needs repeating.
IF your aunt had balls she would be your uncle!!
I gaurantee Steelers make it farther then the Bears. 1st game jitters, and had to raise the record breaking 6th banner, they were tired from all the partying over the last year. They will be deep into the playoffs this year, lets see where the Bears finish?? Somewhere like the Cubs did this year is my guess?
You play to win the game, no matter how lopsided or if whoever missed a FG. Practice a little more, maybe he makes them..
And even with Cowher, the Bears would still lose, lose, and lose. He will be a Browns head coach before the Bears. If he wanted to coach a college team he would already be doing that!
Put a 16 on the Bears. Lovies job is going to be saved. The Bears win this one.
:o
Quote from: Sr. on September 18, 2009, 05:27:27 AM
Put a 16 on the Bears. Lovies job is going to be saved. The Bears win this one.
:o
you should hope they Lose Lovie! Cowher would at least make them winners!
well a better team, probably not winners, it is a Chicago team. :D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 18, 2009, 04:06:14 AM
IF your aunt had balls she would be your uncle!!
I gaurantee Steelers make it farther then the Bears. 1st game jitters, and had to raise the record breaking 6th banner, they were tired from all the partying over the last year. They will be deep into the playoffs this year, lets see where the Bears finish?? Somewhere like the Cubs did this year is my guess?
You play to win the game, no matter how lopsided or if whoever missed a FG. Practice a little more, maybe he makes them..
He didn't say the the Bear's will have a better season than the Steelers?
And even with Cowher, the Bears would still lose, lose, and lose. He will be a Browns head coach before the Bears. If he wanted to coach a college team he would already be doing that!
Not even a Bears fan and I'm looking forward to Doug's response to this one.
our kicker kicked like Dan Michler putts ;)
Bears still wont make the playoffs, but at least they can say the beat the Champs!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 18, 2009, 04:06:14 AM
You play to win the game, no matter how lopsided or if whoever missed a FG. Practice a little more, maybe he makes them..
And even with Cowher, the Bears would still lose, lose, and lose. He will be a Browns head coach before the Bears. If he wanted to coach a college team he would already be doing that!
going into doug payne mode, git your caps lock ready!....Looks like the OVERRATED steelers just lost to a COLLEGE team!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 14, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
not much of a bright side, when they start 0-2 after Pitt stomps on them this weekend. Heck, Seattle may even beat them in week #3??
Hmm...what was that about 0-2?? Suck on it PAYNE! The Bears have won 11 of the last 12 games against the Steelers in Chicago. Maybe not such a good idea to go see the team you choose to root for when they come to your home state? Sorry you got sent home CRYING! Gotta love it. :D
Where is that article you posted about the Bears never winning when Urlacher doesn't play? I guess the Bears forgot to read it. Luckily our college level team was only playing the worthless Steelers this time.
Quote from: Sr. on September 18, 2009, 05:27:27 AM
Put a 16 on the Bears. Lovies job is going to be saved. The Bears win this one.
:o
;D
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 20, 2009, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 18, 2009, 04:06:14 AM
You play to win the game, no matter how lopsided or if whoever missed a FG. Practice a little more, maybe he makes them..
And even with Cowher, the Bears would still lose, lose, and lose. He will be a Browns head coach before the Bears. If he wanted to coach a college team he would already be doing that!
going into doug payne mode, git your caps lock ready!....Looks like the OVERRATED steelers just lost to a COLLEGE team!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 14, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
not much of a bright side, when they start 0-2 after Pitt stomps on them this weekend. Heck, Seattle may even beat them in week #3??
Hmm...what was that about 0-2?? Suck on it PAYNE! The Bears have won 11 of the last 12 games against the Steelers in Chicago. Maybe not such a good idea to go see the team you choose to root for when they come to your home state? Sorry you got sent home CRYING! Gotta love it. :D
Where is that article you posted about the Bears never winning when Urlacher doesn't play? I guess the Bears forgot to read it. Luckily our college level team was only playing the worthless Steelers this time.
cmon Dan, crow doesn't taste that bad. You should know this well(refer to your 2009 Cubs thread). I'm eating it now, like before, and like I will again. I mean if I was never wrong, I would be famous.
What is really funny is you throw out these stats, but you even put 10 points on this game, against your beloved Bears?? What kind of fan are you? I just hope you don't run and hide about this sport like you did about the Cubs ;D. We will see which one of us is laughing come December and January, when the football season means something. I still have baseball to worry about, unlike you!! GO CARDS!!
And the fact that I can ruffle your little feathers so easy from 3 hours away, is the real laugher. You say suck it PAYNE? I am no rocket scientist, but last I knew, you couldn't suck imagination! And we know yours is HUGE!( again refer to 2009 Cubs thread)
Bottom line is this. The Bears played a good game, and the Steelers kicked FG's like you putt. But can the Bears make the playoffs is still the question? You should know that answer in about 8 weeks though!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 21, 2009, 02:52:41 PM
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 20, 2009, 04:46:53 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 18, 2009, 04:06:14 AM
You play to win the game, no matter how lopsided or if whoever missed a FG. Practice a little more, maybe he makes them..
And even with Cowher, the Bears would still lose, lose, and lose. He will be a Browns head coach before the Bears. If he wanted to coach a college team he would already be doing that!
going into doug payne mode, git your caps lock ready!....Looks like the OVERRATED steelers just lost to a COLLEGE team!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 14, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
not much of a bright side, when they start 0-2 after Pitt stomps on them this weekend. Heck, Seattle may even beat them in week #3??
Hmm...what was that about 0-2?? Suck on it PAYNE! The Bears have won 11 of the last 12 games against the Steelers in Chicago. Maybe not such a good idea to go see the team you choose to root for when they come to your home state? Sorry you got sent home CRYING! Gotta love it. :D
Where is that article you posted about the Bears never winning when Urlacher doesn't play? I guess the Bears forgot to read it. Luckily our college level team was only playing the worthless Steelers this time.
cmon Dan, crow doesn't taste that bad. You should know this well(refer to your 2009 Cubs thread). I'm eating it now, like before, and like I will again. I mean if I was never wrong, I would be famous.
What is really funny is you throw out these stats, but you even put 10 points on this game, against your beloved Bears?? What kind of fan are you? I just hope you don't run and hide about this sport like you did about the Cubs ;D. We will see which one of us is laughing come December and January, when the football season means something. I still have baseball to worry about, unlike you!! GO CARDS!!
And the fact that I can ruffle your little feathers so easy from 3 hours away, is the real laugher. You say suck it PAYNE? I am no rocket scientist, but last I knew, you couldn't suck imagination! And we know yours is HUGE!( again refer to 2009 Cubs thread)
Bottom line is this. The Bears played a good game, and the Steelers kicked FG's like you putt. But can the Bears make the playoffs is still the question? You should know that answer in about 8 weeks though!
I figured that Doug would mention the Cubs/Cardinals in his reply to the Steelers/Bears posts, but I am shocked that Doug didn't mention Bradley. Shocked.
BTW Doug, how did pickem go for you this week?
This is a quote from a yahoo article about Brett Favre:
Favre has started 271 straight regular season games, believed to be an NFL record. He is also nine games behind Jim Marshall's record for a non-kicker of 282 consecutive regular season games played.
What does this mean? Favre broke the record that a kicker set? I don't understand what the article refers to.
Quote from: Tom McManus on September 21, 2009, 06:58:31 PM
This is a quote from a yahoo article about Brett Favre:
Favre has started 271 straight regular season games, believed to be an NFL record. He is also nine games behind Jim Marshall's record for a non-kicker of 282 consecutive regular season games played.
What does this mean? Favre broke the record that a kicker set? I don't understand what the article refers to.
No, the kicker record is longer. But when they talk about longevity in football they keep the kickers in another category because it is much easier to stay healthy as a kicker.
Quote from: Tom McManus on September 21, 2009, 06:58:31 PM
This is a quote from a yahoo article about Brett Favre:
Favre has started 271 straight regular season games, believed to be an NFL record. He is also nine games behind Jim Marshall's record for a non-kicker of 282 consecutive regular season games played.
What does this mean? Favre broke the record that a kicker set? I don't understand what the article refers to.
Yes, its wierd. Marshall was not a kicker and he played 282 while Favre, also a non-kicker, has 271. So explain to me why Favire has the record and not Marshall?
Tom, pickem didn't go very well, Thanks for asking though. Also weird you said something about Bradley, how did you know my favorite college basketball team? Since the 1982 NIT. I was 10, and they are 15 minutes away. That's my 1 local team.
Another something weird... You always come to Dan's rescue on here whenever me and him go on about things it seems. Are you his Grandpa or something?? Just wondering.
Quote from: Dan Michler on September 21, 2009, 07:33:07 PM
Quote from: Tom McManus on September 21, 2009, 06:58:31 PM
This is a quote from a yahoo article about Brett Favre:
Favre has started 271 straight regular season games, believed to be an NFL record. He is also nine games behind Jim Marshall's record for a non-kicker of 282 consecutive regular season games played.
What does this mean? Favre broke the record that a kicker set? I don't understand what the article refers to.
Yes, its wierd. Marshall was not a kicker and he played 282 while Favre, also a non-kicker, has 271. So explain to me why Favire has the record and not Marshall?
Favre has 271 by a QB, the NFL record. Marshall has the record for any player besides the kickers.
Actually
Quote from: pdga#7648 on September 21, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
Tom, pickem didn't go very well, Thanks for asking though. Also weird you said something about Bradley, how did you know my favorite college basketball team? Since the 1982 NIT. I was 10, and they are 15 minutes away. That's my 1 local team.
Another something weird... You always come to Dan's rescue on here whenever me and him go on about things it seems. Are you his Grandpa or something?? Just wondering.
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Tom's actually a little bit younger than both my parents, but I'll take that as a compliment that you must think I look youthful Doug. Its not wierd that Tom comes to my rescue Payne. Tom and I often engage in some enthusiastic heavy petting during disc golf road trips. Whats so wierd about that? And for the record, Tom is Stank's grandpa, so watch what you say.
As far as your comment about sucking imagination goes, I've got to imagine the Payne family tree is full of women who have sucked on pretty much everything you can imagine, so I say that counts. So suck on that loss to the Bears Payne. Suck on it long and hard. No amount of re-focusing your attention to the Cardinals will make it go away. The Bears are a terrible terrible college level team and your Steelers went down in flames to them. Thats gotta sting. The Steelers will not win the Super Bowl this season because this loss to the Bears left them lost and hopeless for the future. We've destroyed Steeler nation in 2009. I don't care if the Bears lose the rest of their games now. Our goal of crushing Doug Payne has been accomplished.
I will leave the family tree remark alone, cause children do read this, but...
I didn't re-focus on the Cardinals, they have been in 1st most of the season, I am simply enjoying the ride, still!
Your little comment that the Bears have won 11-12 from the Steelers? They beat the Steelers in 2005, who won the Superbowl that year?? Yep the Steelers. You can't deflate something that is great. Like I said, week #2 means squat in a 17 week season, well 20 when you make the playoffs, something you as a Bears fan knows not much about. Enjoy this win against the best franchise in the NFL, it will be the closest to being a Champion( beating the champions) as the Bears will get.
I will give you this though. You are a true blue, 100% Chicago fan. Only live for beating 1 great team in a season?? Thats like your summer team, you only care about beating the Cardinals. You have to beat all the teams to be a great team.
I think the Steelers are going to lose again this Sunday. To be totally fair, I also think that my Lions are going to lose. Oh the Bears are going to lose too.
Quote from: tacimala on September 22, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
I think the Steelers are going to lose again this Sunday. To be totally fair, I also think that my Lions are going to lose. Oh the Bears are going to lose too.
Wrong! Seattles hurting. The Bears will be 3-1 at the bye. Already looked ahead of your Lions.
;D
Quote from: tacimala on September 22, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
I think the Steelers are going to lose again this Sunday.
you were right on this one. :( That damn prevent defense usually just prevents you from stopping the offense!!
2-1 a pretty good start and the defense has been consistently dominant. I didn't think missing Urlacher would be that much of a factor and it hasn't. Its all about keeping that defensive line healthy.
Cutler has really shown his natural ability the last 2 weeks and led us to a couple wins. However, we need to get this run game going like last year. We got behind a couple scores early yesterday which led to more passing. Hopefully in Detroit we'll get it going. Several of the WRs have stepped up to make playes including Hester, Bennett, and Knox. Plus we've got Greg Olsen who's numbers will probably get better as Cutler gets more used to the offense.
Minnesota squeaks out another win. This division is looking alot more competitive than expected so far.
There was an interesting article in the paper yesterday about Benson and Orton. Under the leadership of Smith, Turner, & Angelo the Bears have ranked 20th or worse in total yards 4 of the 5 years. The best season was 15th in total yards and right now they are ranked outside the top 20. It's time to strat signing some offensive players rather than defense.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 17, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
There was an interesting article in the paper yesterday about Benson and Orton. Under the leadership of Smith, Turner, & Angelo the Bears have ranked 20th or worse in total yards 4 of the 5 years. The best season was 15th in total yards and right now they are ranked outside the top 20. It's time to strat signing some offensive players rather than defense.
Cutler? Pace? Aren't they offensive players? What defensive signings did we make?
I love it, the Bears are 3-1 and you randomly decide to bash them. You love bashing this team! Just become a Vikings fan!
Quote from: Dan Michler on October 17, 2009, 09:19:56 AM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 17, 2009, 07:22:47 AM
There was an interesting article in the paper yesterday about Benson and Orton. Under the leadership of Smith, Turner, & Angelo the Bears have ranked 20th or worse in total yards 4 of the 5 years. The best season was 15th in total yards and right now they are ranked outside the top 20. It's time to strat signing some offensive players rather than defense.
Cutler? Pace? Aren't they offensive players? What defensive signings did we make?
I love it, the Bears are 3-1 and you randomly decide to bash them. You love bashing this team! Just become a Vikings fan!
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6209
I absolutely love the signing of Cutler. There has been several opportunities to go out and get a WR that would make an immediate impact in an area that has been the weakest of the organization for several years now. That article really hammered home how inefficient this offense has been over the past 5 years. It would be nice to get an offense that is capable of winning a Super Bowl.
That loss last night was about as frustrating as it gets. 373 total yards to 273 for the Falcons. Just like the Green Bay loss it comes down to red zone turnovers. Not to mention there was that Michael Turner fumble that went right to Briggs who tried to scoop and run instead of falling on it. Ryan ended up with the ball and a few plays later the Falcons put 7 on the board. We just have bad luck in that stadium.
Next week @Cincy. Should be another competitive game. Extra motivation for Ced Benson. Maybe Forte and the running game will wake up.
Well I was right about the extra motivation for Ced Benson. 189 yards later I'm sure the Bears front office is wondering why we never saw that guy when he was wearing the Bears jersey. All we got was a lazy, unmotivated #2 RB who got along with none of his teammates and got into trouble with the law on numerous occasions. Not fair!
At any rate, we drop to 3-3, but fortunately we get the Browns coming to town next week. So, fingers crossed, that should make us 4-3. The next 4 games after that are all really tough though, so we've got our work cut out for us just to get to a 6-5 mark. We really need Tommie Harris to be healthy.
If the Bears continue to play like they played yesterday they aren't going to win any more games this year. I don't care if its the Browns at home. The effort that they showed yesterday was just pathetic.
I think the Bengals just scored again!!
Lovie Smith reminds me way to much of Dusty Baker. It's bad enough this offense has been so bad over the past 5 seasons but he's been able to get by with a superb defense and win some ugly games. Now the defense is absolutely ridiculous. 3 years in a row missing the playoffs. Bye, bye!
There are some good coaches out there. Cower, Gruden, others. Go getem.
I guess it could be worse. I could be a Packers fan. I guess it was the throw back unis for the Bucs.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 08, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
I guess it could be worse. I could be a Packers fan. I guess it was the throw back unis for the Bucs.
As I was listening to the Packers game on the radio, I was thinking at least the stinking Bears lost. Lost at home.
Dan couldn't convince me last year but now I'm convinced. It's time for the Bears to clean house and get some new coaches. Not certain that all of them have to go but we can start with Lovie. I just wish that the McCaskey's would stop hiring all the yes men head coaches. Hire someone who will actually tell you what the problems are and develop a plan to fix them.
yeah... I'm thinking both GB and CHI season's are done after those 2 debacles. That's as if either one ever had a chance this year. oh well. stupid GB messed up a W for me on the pick'em.
I'm on board with getting a new head coach, but I don't think we are that far off from being competitive. Look at the Bengals. They looked alot worse in 2008 than the Bears in 2009. And now they are 6-2 and look like a serious AFC contender. Then you've got Tennessee. 12-0 last year to completely noncompetitive this year. In the NFL, the distance from top to bottom isn't that far. Losing Tommie Harris in the 1st minute of the game really hurt yesterday. Maybe the Packers can trade us Jennings? They don't even use him, so might as well ship him somewhere that he'll get the ball.
if the dork doesnt throw a punch to the helmet to a guy belly down on the ground he would have played longer!
The Cubs start in April!!
Wow. What a brutal game to watch.
Boldin is unhappy in Ari. Time to sign another piece to the puzzle in 2010.
Bye Bye Lovie!
Rank Player Team G Comp Att Att/G Pct Yds Yds/G Yds/Att TD Int 1st Sack Rate
1 Jay Cutler CHI 9 211 338 37.6 62.4 2353 261.4 7.0 14 17 108 19 76.0
All joking aside, Cutler did make a great play last night on his second interception. He got laid out after the interception, jumped up and over the guy and still chased down the other player and made a great tackle. Bad pass, but a great play to make the tackle and save a touchdown.
There is playoff futbol in Chicago. Viva Fire!
Cutler is going to be a great QB.
We have a solid RB and TE.
#1 Get some WR's. The Bears have not addressed this issue for several seasons. It's not good when Devin Hester is your #1 WR. I said this last year and will say it again this year. The Bears WR's are some of the worst in the NFL. Boldin??
#2 Get rid of Turner. He is absolutely brutal and has done nothing with the Bears since he's arrived. Not one season in the top 15 in total offense in his 6 years. Peyton Manning couldn't even throw a TD vs this SF defense. What makes Turner think our stellar passing game is going to get the job done in the red zone?
#3 Angelo
From the Sun Times.
Angelo has drafted 43 players in the last five drafts and they count 10 of those players as starters, but none of them are elite. No one is left from the 2005 draft. Devin Hester is the best the Bears have to show from 2006, an improving wide receiver but not the true No.1 talent the team has been forecasting for years. Greg Olsen leads the Class of 2007. The hope is right tackle Chris Williams, the top pick from 2008, blossoms into a left tackle the team doesn't have to worry about, but he has had back surgery and has struggled. This last draft was thin after the Cutler trade, but wide receiver Johnny Knox has provided a boost while safety Al Afalava is the flavor of choice this season in a secondary that has a history of rotating late-round draft picks like him.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1879923,CST-SPT-bear12.article
I think Cutler's interceptions have more to do with the lack of protection he's getting and his trying to make something out of nothing. Cutler is the kind of QB who will throw some interceptions but it is worse because of the protection and play calling, in my opinion.
I think Knox might mature into a really good WR. He's made some great catches this year. He should improve in the next year. But I'm all for getting more good receivers in the mix.
I say out with Lovie and in with Ron Rivera! I'm sure that change will take care of Turner also! ;)
No line, no recievers, a tight end that doesn't know how to block, and a questionable running back and no good draft picks in the near future. The next couple years are going to be brutal. Cutler will want out. This team is in disarray. As Dikta said once 'we may never win another game this year'. Fire Turner and hire Shanahan. That would be a start.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 13, 2009, 08:34:09 AM
#3 Angelo
From the Sun Times.
Angelo has drafted 43 players in the last five drafts and they count 10 of those players as starters, but none of them are elite. No one is left from the 2005 draft. Devin Hester is the best the Bears have to show from 2006, an improving wide receiver but not the true No.1 talent the team has been forecasting for years. Greg Olsen leads the Class of 2007. The hope is right tackle Chris Williams, the top pick from 2008, blossoms into a left tackle the team doesn't have to worry about, but he has had back surgery and has struggled. This last draft was thin after the Cutler trade, but wide receiver Johnny Knox has provided a boost while safety Al Afalava is the flavor of choice this season in a secondary that has a history of rotating late-round draft picks like him.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1879923,CST-SPT-bear12.article
Break it down further and it gets worse. The Bears only have 5 or 6 players on the roster from Jerry Angelo's 16 1st and 2nd round picks since he has been GM. That is a sad judge of talent. I heard that on the 670am not too long ago.
Has been time to clean house for a while. Oh well. At least there is Hockey.
This is shaping up to be a great year in the NFL. There are some amazingly good teams and 3 or 4 really strong candidates for MVP. I had Favre at the top of the list, but after last night, Breese moves to the top of my list.
I still have Favre as the MVP of the leagues unless something drastically happens. I am not doubting Brees but he does have one of the top 3 WRS duo in the Leagues. Favre is amazing even at the age of 40 and he never really had a number one and Harvin, Rice and Shinco are really have outstanding years. But I will disappointed as of right now if Favre does not win the MVP. but we still have 5 games left in the season. So anything can happen
The league MVP is Peyton Manning as it is every year. If he doesn't win its only because its boring to give it to the same guy every year. The same thing used to happen to Michael Jordan. Nobody is 'more valuable' than Manning.
Stan, your argument is insane. Favre has one of the best offensive lines in the game, the best running back in the game, and Berrian/Rice/Shiancoe/Harvin to throw the ball to. You are arguing that he is doing it with less support? That is crazy. I'm not denying his numbers to this point compare favorably to any other QB in the league, but don't tell me he is doing it single handedly. Favre has never thrown less than 13 interceptions during any season in his entire career and he has averaged 21 interceptions per season over the last 4 seasons. Does anybody think he'll keep this up? Reality will probably set in during the playoffs. A Vikings/Saints matchup in the NFC title game would be interesting to watch.
The AFC is pretty wide open after the Colts. I'll take the Chargers as the #1 contender. Doug Payne hasn't come on here to patronize anybody recently. Maybe thats cuz the Steelers have dropped 3 in a row. The Patriots look pretty vulnerable. Definitely not the same team they were from 2001-2007, but still they have a chance. The Bengals have such a good running game right now, I think they can keep any game close and will be tough to beat in the playoffs. Baltimore is way too inconsistent and are the most overrated team in the NFL. I think I heard the other day that they have been the favorites in every game this season. They are 6-5.
They haven't been the favorites every game, but close. Baltimore and Arizona are two teams that have been wildly inconsistent all season, that's for sure. Definitely a tougher pick'em year than normal.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 01, 2009, 08:37:13 AM
The league MVP is Peyton Manning as it is every year. If he doesn't win its only because its boring to give it to the same guy every year. The same thing used to happen to Michael Jordan. Nobody is 'more valuable' than Manning.
Stan, your argument is insane. Favre has one of the best offensive lines in the game, the best running back in the game, and Berrian/Rice/Shiancoe/Harvin to throw the ball to. You are arguing that he is doing it with less support? That is crazy. I'm not denying his numbers to this point compare favorably to any other QB in the league, but don't tell me he is doing it single handedly. Favre has never thrown less than 13 interceptions during any season in his entire career and he has averaged 21 interceptions per season over the last 4 seasons. Does anybody think he'll keep this up? Reality will probably set in during the playoffs. A Vikings/Saints matchup in the NFC title game would be interesting to watch.
The AFC is pretty wide open after the Colts. I'll take the Chargers as the #1 contender. Doug Payne hasn't come on here to patronize anybody recently. Maybe thats cuz the Steelers have dropped 3 in a row. The Patriots look pretty vulnerable. Definitely not the same team they were from 2001-2007, but still they have a chance. The Bengals have such a good running game right now, I think they can keep any game close and will be tough to beat in the playoffs. Baltimore is way too inconsistent and are the most overrated team in the NFL. I think I heard the other day that they have been the favorites in every game this season. They are 6-5.
I thought I would try that thing of being a nice guy since your Bears are letting you down, just about as bad as the Cubs did.
Pitt has dropped 3 in a row, but have Oakland then Cleveland, so their playoff hopes still alive. And I honestly think they will get there if Troy is healthy before next Baltimore game in 4 weeks.
But once again, Chicago fans have been let down. Maybe the Blackhawks can win it. But then again, they were picked to, so they will probably choke as well.
I would normally agree that Oakland and Cleveland are easy wins, but Kansas City.....<insert here>
Quote from: tacimala on December 03, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
I would normally agree that Oakland and Cleveland are easy wins, but Kansas City.....<insert here>
Or how about the Bears too? Any team that loses to KC and Chicago this season, you've got some problems.
Excellent point Dan! After all, the Bears will be the third team to lose to one of the worst losing teams in history.
Quote from: tacimala on December 04, 2009, 06:45:34 AM
Excellent point Dan! After all, the Bears will be the third team to lose to one of the worst losing teams in history.
You might be right! I'm sure Denver is pulling for that so they can get a higher 1st round draft pick in 2010. Also, Tampa can get a higher 2nd round pick.
Sure, the Bears don't have 1st or 2nd round picks in next year's draft, but that shouldn't really be a problem with the team we already have..... Wait a second. We are fu*&%ed!!! Maybe we can trade Forte for a draft pick?
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 04, 2009, 05:31:07 AM
Quote from: tacimala on December 03, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
I would normally agree that Oakland and Cleveland are easy wins, but Kansas City.....<insert here>
Or how about the Bears too? Any team that loses to KC and Chicago this season, you've got some problems.
they do have a problem. Polamalu is hurt, but will be back to play the Packers in 3 weeks. Let's see how they are with him back in the lineup. And they suck on special teams, I will give you that.but....
does not matter who you lose to in the regular season, it's the playoffs that count.
2006, they were 10-6. Last year 11-5 going into the playoffs. and they beat #3, #2, and #1 seeds in 2006, so never count out the ONLY 6-TIME Superbowl Champions!!
Oakland, @ Cleveland, Green Bay, Baltimore, then @ Miami. At 6-5 now, I say they will be the #5 or #6 seed. Probably finishing 10-6
And 1 last thing. the Steelers never have to worry about draft picks, unlike your pathetic Bears Dannyboy!!
So Ben Roethlisberger should still be on the bench hanging out as Tommy Maddox' lackey? This logic seems flawed my friend.
I feel if he practiced, he should have played. He took half of Dixons snaps that week, and Dixon still took Baltimore to overtime. a 3rd stringer.
Ben will be back Sunday, and you guys will see for yourselves.
W vs Oakland
W vs Browns
? vs Packers
W vs Ravens
W vs Dolphins
I just don't understand why you 2 want to hate so much?? I can't help it I cheer for winning teams, and you 2 are stuck with Chicago and Detroit. Without the Redwings, when was the last title?? 1984 World Series? Are you even old enough to remeber that Taylor? Oh I'm sorry, the Pistons did win a couple not to long ago huh? But thats the NBA. Does that really count? ;D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 04, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
I just don't understand why you 2 want to hate so much?? I can't help it I cheer for winning teams, and you 2 are stuck with Chicago and Detroit. Without the Redwings, when was the last title?? 1984 World Series? Are you even old enough to remeber that Taylor? Oh I'm sorry, the Pistons did win a couple not to long ago huh? But thats the NBA. Does that really count? ;D
Doug, I'm pretty sure people only like to give you such a hard time because...you yourself are the hater. Look back on this thread. People started a conversation about the 2009 Bears and you came in with alot of capital letters proclaiming them as a joke and that the Steelers are the greatest team of all-time. Then you are surprised when we point out the Steeler's struggles this year?
If you are going to cheer for winning teams as you suggest, then you should root for the Colts this year. Cuz the Steelers have zero chance of getting past them, IF they even make the playoffs.
Proclaiming?? I think it was more like stating the facts about the 2009 Bears.
And cmon Dan, 6 titles! Who has more? So numbers dont lie. 6 is better than 5 everytime you look at it. So that statement that Pittsburgh the best of all-time, again, the truth.
And don't say zero chance. If Peyton were to go down with an injury, Sorgi wont win 1 playoff game.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 31, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Bears will not win 9 this year. My prediction for the 2009 Bears is...11-5. We'll see who's laughing when I dredge this thread up come January! ;D
not January yet but I will help you out.... :D
what are the bears,,,4-7?
Bears, Chiefs, now Oakland?
don't deserve the playoffs, letting Oakland score on 3 straight 4th quarter posessions >:(
piss fuckin poor!!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 04, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Ben will be back Sunday, and you guys will see for yourselves.
W vs Oakland
W vs Browns
? vs Packers
W vs Ravens
W vs Dolphins
Oh yes. We saw for ourselves. A mediocre team that is the 2009 Steelers. Those were good predictions Doug.
mediocre is giving them credit they dont desrve. that defense is terrible when they need a big stop.
looks like I will have to wait till next year as well ;)
Note to the Chicago Bears front office.
Fire this coaching staff! They are phucking terrible. Going for a fake FG in chip shot range then airing out the clock at half? Blown games Home vs PHI at GB, ATL, & SF.
You have not had a 1000+ yd receiver since Marty Booker in 2002.
Forte has rushed for 100 yds once this season.
You better go out and either build a dominating offensive line so we can run or get some weapons at WR that other teams respect to open the run.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on December 06, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
Note to the Chicago Bears front office.
Fire this coaching staff! They are phucking terrible. Going for a fake FG in chip shot range then airing out the clock at half? Blown games Home vs PHI at GB, ATL, & SF.
You have not had a 1000+ yd receiver since Marty Booker in 2002.
Forte has rushed for 100 yds once this season.
You better go out and either build a dominating offensive line so we can run or get some weapons at WR that other teams respect to open the run.
Tough to build an offensive line with no 1st or 2nd rd picks. I think as a fan, you need to lower your expectations for the Bears for the next couple seasons. Expect no more than 5 wins per season. Anything better than that is overachieving in my book. We went to the Super Bowl in 2006, so I feel like we should be thankful. As a Cubs fan I get pissed when I hear Yankees fans getting upset that they hadn't won a World Series since 2000. Alot of teams would kill to have made the Super Bowl only 3 years ago (see the Browns, Chiefs, LIONS, etc...).
The message here is...be realistic. You can't suddenly have an all-star offense because you signed a bigtime QB. There are 11 players. I think we have maybe 2 or 3 quality offensive players (Cutler, Olsen, Kreutz). Not to mention the defense where we're certainly short at a handful of spots. Its going to take a few years to get this team back into contention. We are alot closer to the Browns than the Colts.
Starting over with a new coaching staff would certainly be wise. Unfortunately, I think an even more urgent need is a new front office...but that ain't happening.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on August 31, 2009, 05:09:27 PM
But on a Positive note on this season, and being a DIE HARD Steeler fan since 1978, I will dicuss a real teams season.
With the EASIEST schedule in all the NFL(not my rankings)......
1 Sep 10 TEN @ PIT Heinz Field
2 Sep 20 PIT @ CHI Soldier Field
3 Sep 27 PIT @ CIN Paul Brown Stadium
4 Oct 04 SD @ PIT Heinz Field
5 Oct 11 PIT @ DET Ford Field
6 Oct 18 CLE @ PIT Heinz Field
7 Oct 25 MIN @ PIT Heinz Field
8 Bye
9 Nov 09 PIT @ DEN Invesco Field at Mile High
10 Nov 15 CIN @ PIT Heinz Field
11 Nov 22 PIT @ KC Arrowhead Stadium
12 Nov 29 PIT @ BAL M&T Bank Stadium
13 Dec 06 OAK @ PIT Heinz Field
14 Dec 10 PIT @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium
15 Dec 20 GB @ PIT Heinz Field
16 Dec 27 BAL @ PIT Heinz Field
17 Jan 03 PIT @ MIA Land Shark Stadium
and returning 20-22 starters from a Record 6th Super Bowl Championship, I will be very suprised if this team does not finish at least 12-4, winning the North once again. Picked by many, to return to the Superbowl, but a healthy Brady and the Patriots may have something to say about that.
Looking forward to next Thursday to kick off the season. Then will drive the 3 hours the following week to watch Cutler throw from his backside! OUCH!!
Ha.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on November 08, 2009, 01:41:40 PM
I guess it could be worse. I could be a Packers fan. I guess it was the throw back unis for the Bucs.
It turned out to be a motivating loss for the Packers. At least they were able to bounce back after a big loss. Having the number one defense is certainly helping out a strong offense. Donald Driver is the man.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 04, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
I feel if he practiced, he should have played. He took half of Dixons snaps that week, and Dixon still took Baltimore to overtime. a 3rd stringer.
Ben will be back Sunday, and you guys will see for yourselves.
W vs Oakland
W vs Browns
? vs Packers
W vs Ravens
W vs Dolphins
I just don't understand why you 2 want to hate so much?? I can't help it I cheer for winning teams, and you 2 are stuck with Chicago and Detroit. Without the Redwings, when was the last title?? 1984 World Series? Are you even old enough to remeber that Taylor? Oh I'm sorry, the Pistons did win a couple not to long ago huh? But thats the NBA. Does that really count? ;D
Ha Ha.
Maybe the Steelers will get the last laugh over the Packers this year, but to call the Steelers the best team/franchise of all time is just ridiculous. Look at their record in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and very early 70s. They had a horrible franchise. They do have the most Superbowl wins, but that doesn't make them the greatest of all time. It would be nice if you would put that one to bed.
The Packers on the otherhand have won 12 NFL Championships. It is a long tough NFL season, and there is no way to predict what is going to happen, but right now it is a good time to be a Packer fan. They could go out and lose the rest of their games, but a couple more wins will get them into the playoffs. I am hoping their all-star quarterback will not have the December problems that their previous hall of fame quarterback has recently had on the field.
yea, this is the worst tasting crow I have ever ate.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 11, 2009, 02:55:21 AM
Maybe the Steelers will get the last laugh over the Packers this year, but to call the Steelers the best team/franchise of all time is just ridiculous. Look at their record in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and very early 70s. They had a horrible franchise. They do have the most Superbowl wins, but that doesn't make them the greatest of all time. It would be nice if you would put that one to bed.
Tom, I wont put anything to bed. I could sit here and argue all week on this but I wont do that. I will just throw out a few points here. 1st and foremost, the Packers 12 Championships,,, most came whan it was a 6-12 team league. And the Packers have been around longer than the Steelers.
But maybe I should just rephrase what I and alot of others think. Pittsburgh is the Best NFL franchise in Superbowl History. Superbowl Titles is what they play for. And 6 is more than Dallas's and San Francisco's 5.
Arent the Yankees considered the MLB best franchise of all time? Yes, cause of the 27 Titles.
And the Celtics are the best NBA franchise of all time.
Football analysts don't talk about the championships before Superbowl 1.But they do however refer to the Steelers as having the most Superbowl Titles, so I rest my case.
You saying that the most titles don't make them the best ever??
So then what you are saying is, Ken Climo's world titles don't make him the best disc golfer of all time??
Thats CRAZY!!!
The Packers were formed in 1919 and joined the NFL in 1921. No team in NFL history has won more championships than the Packers which has earned Green Bay the moniker, "Titletown USA." Over the years, the Packers have twice strung together three straight league crowns (1929-31, and 1965-67). In all, the franchise has claimed a record 12 NFL championships including three Super Bowl titles.
From the NFL Hall of Fame website.
impressive yes. But 3 is not 6.
Pittsburgh Pirates were formed in 1933, 14 years later than Green Bay, and the Steelers formed in 1940.
I personally hate the Packers and am indifferent about the Steelers. So, I'll weigh in on this topic, as objectively as I can.
I feel like you need to judge each era separately. Free agency, salary caps, league expansion, and other rules changes make each era completely different.
The early years of the NFL clearly belonged to the Packers. You can't really argue that. They had 9 NFL championships to the Bears 6. They also had 5 titles in the 60's, completely owning that decade.
Go to the 70's. 4 titltes in 6 years for the Steelers. The Cowboys had 2 titles and appeared in 6 title games. I'll give that decade to the Steelers. The Packers fell off the map in the 70s.
The 80's. Its all 49ers. No argument. 4 titles and they began their unreal consistency that lasted for over a decade.
The 90's. Cowboys had 3 titles in 4 years and lost in the NFC title game to the 49ers in that 4th year. Clearly Dallas dominated for that 4 year stretch, but didn't do much at the start of the decade or at the end. You'd have to call them the best team of the 90's, but really after the 49ers run of dominance ended, that was the last time you'll see a franchise display that level of excellence for that long of a period of time.
Now teams can be great for short stretches while they have a core group of players (like the Pats with Brady and the Colts with Manning and the Rams with Warner/Faulk, the Broncos with that offensive line in the late 90's). But once those players are gone, the franchise often drops of drastically and has to rebuild.
I guess I feel like there is no right answer to this question. Its all about 'what have you done for me lately'. Sure, the Packers dominated the 60's, but if you were a Packer fan in the 50's, 70's, or 80's, you probably weren't thinking about how great your franchise was. The Steelers haven't shown much consistency at all outside of that run in the mid to late 70s. They were terrible in the 80s and most of the 90s. They have followed up both of their Super Bowls in the 2000s by failing to make the playoffs the following season.
If I could trade the Bears results for any other team's results in my lifetime, I would go with the 49ers hands down.
What franchise has had the most success overall since the dawn of the NFL? I guess you'd have to say the Packers. In the Super Bowl era I'd go with the Dallas Cowboys as the most consistent from start to finish. I'd rather root for a team that is consistently competitive and near the top of the league on a yearly basis than one that sucks 3 out of 4 years, but on the 4th year they win the Super Bowl. Hence, I'd say the Packers and Cowboys are the best franchises of alltime. The Steelers are on the honorable mention list with the 49ers and Giants.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 11, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
I personally hate the Packers and am indifferent about the Steelers. So, I'll weigh in on this topic, as objectively as I can.
I feel like you need to judge each era separately. Free agency, salary caps, league expansion, and other rules changes make each era completely different.
The early years of the NFL clearly belonged to the Packers. You can't really argue that. They had 9 NFL championships to the Bears 6. They also had 5 titles in the 60's, completely owning that decade.
Go to the 70's. 4 titltes in 6 years for the Steelers. The Cowboys had 2 titles and appeared in 6 title games. I'll give that decade to the Steelers. The Packers fell off the map in the 70s.
The 80's. Its all 49ers. No argument. 4 titles and they began their unreal consistency that lasted for over a decade.
The 90's. Cowboys had 3 titles in 4 years and lost in the NFC title game to the 49ers in that 4th year. Clearly Dallas dominated for that 4 year stretch, but didn't do much at the start of the decade or at the end. You'd have to call them the best team of the 90's, but really after the 49ers run of dominance ended, that was the last time you'll see a franchise display that level of excellence for that long of a period of time.
Now teams can be great for short stretches while they have a core group of players (like the Pats with Brady and the Colts with Manning and the Rams with Warner/Faulk, the Broncos with that offensive line in the late 90's). But once those players are gone, the franchise often drops of drastically and has to rebuild.
I guess I feel like there is no right answer to this question. Its all about 'what have you done for me lately'. Sure, the Packers dominated the 60's, but if you were a Packer fan in the 50's, 70's, or 80's, you probably weren't thinking about how great your franchise was. The Steelers haven't shown much consistency at all outside of that run in the mid to late 70s. They were terrible in the 80s and most of the 90s. They have followed up both of their Super Bowls in the 2000s by failing to make the playoffs the following season.
If I could trade the Bears results for any other team's results in my lifetime, I would go with the 49ers hands down.
What franchise has had the most success overall since the dawn of the NFL? I guess you'd have to say the Packers. In the Super Bowl era I'd go with the Dallas Cowboys as the most consistent from start to finish. I'd rather root for a team that is consistently competitive and near the top of the league on a yearly basis than one that sucks 3 out of 4 years, but on the 4th year they win the Super Bowl. Hence, I'd say the Packers and Cowboys are the best franchises of alltime. The Steelers are on the honorable mention list with the 49ers and Giants.
Nice thoughtful post Dan. This pretty much sums up the Packers in the seventies and eighties:
Dec. 7, 1980 – Bears 61, Packers 7 (Chicago)
Despite the Bears' thrashing of the Packers, the team was in a foul mood following the game. That's because the Minnesota Vikings defeated Tampa Bay which knocked both Green Bay and Chicago out of the playoff picture.
Bears QB Vince Evans completed 18 of 22 passes for 316 yards and 3 TDs while Hall of Famer Walter Payton rushed for 130 yards and three touchdowns. The Packers were led by Hall of Fame receiver James Lofton who had six catches for 111 yards and scored the team's only TD.That is when the Bears Packers rivalry was at an all time high. both teams were miserable so the games against each other were the only things to get excited about. December 7, 1980 was the absolute low point in Packers history.
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1st and foremost, the Packers 12 Championships,,, most came whan it was a 6-12 team league....
Arent the Yankees considered the MLB best franchise of all time? Yes, cause of the 27 Titles.
I'm basically non-committal about football anyhow, definitely a fair-weather Bear fan ('Bear football' is a myth, and they'll never reach any consistency unless the McCaskeys sell the team, and that ain't happening...); but downplaying the # of Packer titles because of the size of the League is a goofy argument. The Yankees won 2/3 of their titles when there were 8-team leagues (maybe less?). And if you want a *really* goofy argument, no team has *lost* anywhere near as many WS as the Yankees.
Of course, at least they got there.... ::)
Go Saints!! ;D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 11, 2009, 02:55:21 AM
Maybe the Steelers will get the last laugh over the Packers this year, but to call the Steelers the best team/franchise of all time is just ridiculous. Look at their record in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and very early 70s. They had a horrible franchise. They do have the most Superbowl wins, but that doesn't make them the greatest of all time. It would be nice if you would put that one to bed.
Tom, I wont put anything to bed. I could sit here and argue all week on this but I wont do that. I will just throw out a few points here. 1st and foremost, the Packers 12 Championships,,, most came whan it was a 6-12 team league. And the Packers have been around longer than the Steelers.
But maybe I should just rephrase what I and alot of others think. Pittsburgh is the Best NFL franchise in Superbowl History. Superbowl Titles is what they play for. And 6 is more than Dallas's and San Francisco's 5.
Arent the Yankees considered the MLB best franchise of all time? Yes, cause of the 27 Titles.
And the Celtics are the best NBA franchise of all time.
Football analysts don't talk about the championships before Superbowl 1.But they do however refer to the Steelers as having the most Superbowl Titles, so I rest my case.
You saying that the most titles don't make them the best ever??
So then what you are saying is, Ken Climo's world titles don't make him the best disc golfer of all time??
Thats CRAZY!!!
There is a severe lack of logic in these arguments Doug. 'Football analysts don't talk about championships before the Superbowl.....so I rest my case'. Really? I hope you are never my lawyer if that is what your case is resting on.
As for comparing the Yankees, Celtics, or Ken Climo's dominance to the Steelers; this is only a comparison that a Steeler's fan would make. I don't believe the general concensus among the football community is that the Steeler's are football's equivalent of the Yankees. Thats actually pretty laughable in my opinion. As for Climo or Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus, what makes them so unbelievable to me is not just that they win at the rate they do; its that when they don't win, they are almost ALWAYS right there in contention, giving it a run til the final putt is made. Nicklaus won 18 majors and was 2nd something like 20+ times. When Tiger wasn't dropping loads on 20 year old faces last year, he was in the top 10 at every event but the British Open, winning half the time. Ridiculous.
Do the Steelers compare to this kind of domination? They have had long droughts where they didn't even smell contention. And each of their Super Bowl victories this decade were more anamolies than anything, each was followed by a season where they didn't even make the playoffs. So, no. They don't stack up with the names you brought up.
Does winning the most titles necessarily equate to being the 'best franchise of all-time'? Lets say the Cowboys have 5 titles and were atleast in the conference title game for 15 consecutive seasons. In that time-frame the Steelers have 6 titles and in the other 9 seasons they finished dead last. Are the Steelers the better franchise? Obviously this is an extreme case, but I think it illustrates that there has to be some middle ground where 'most titles' doesn't outweigh 'consistently in contention'.
I am so glad for this day to finally come.
Dan, all joking aside, you have really opened my eyes tonight. Your logic about this last day of posting astounded me. You actually dug deep to find this stuff, so at least I know you care about my arguments. That means something.
Opinions come in all shapes and sizes, just like golf discs. I have mine, you guys always want to argue. Why, I don't know?? I did rephrase my statement to say the best NFL franchise in Superbowl history. If you go back 43 years, count the superbowls, and division titles, championship games, then tell me my opinion is wrong. Yes, of course I bleed Black & Gold, but numbers never lie. 6 is always better than 5, other than in golf.
Like I said, I could argue with you guys forever about this, but it wouldn't do any good. You Chicago guys are all to hardheaded.
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Here is a link to a pretty interesting article. I thought Dan was wrong on one point, and that was his feeling on the Giants. But this article has them up pretty high.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2260_A_CHFF_epic:_all-time_franchise_rankings.html
Quote from: pdga#7648 link=topic=473 1.msg68491#msg68491 date=1260590353
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum.
Ha! I don't believe that for 1 second. If the Steelers beat GB 44-0 you will be on here with all CAPS. The moment the Cards jump out to a 3 game lead over the Cubs in April you can't help yourself Doug. You pushed a wrong button? I'm pretty sure you pushed the button you were aiming for :o
And didn't you post that you were taking next year off from tournaments? So I guess I'll see you in 2011.
so not true Dan. I wont give Tom no crap about the Packers if a miracle happened and the Steelers beat them. I have nothing against Packer fans, or the team itself. Their history is alot richer than the Bears and Cubs put together.
And why would I post something if the Cards get out to a 3 game lead over the Cubs? Thats just the obvious, they will be ahead of the Cubs. You should be used to that.
And I said taking next year off, except for the local tournaments. I already signed up for the Peoria Open, and I will be at Sterling for sure. Just wont travel out of state much, other than to defend my 2 wins in Indiana last year, at Peru and the Indiana St. Championships. You cant get rid of me for the entire year. I like beating you on the course to much! ;D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Don't stop pushing the bears' fans buttons!!!! I love it! and I will be lovong it just as much tomorrow when I watch the final seconds click off on the bear's next loss.
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on December 12, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Don't stop pushing the bears' fans buttons!!!! I love it! and I will be loving it just as much tomorrow when I watch the final seconds click off on the Bear's next loss.
Looking at the teams rosters and records it might be easy to assume a Packers victory, but when these two teams play anything can happen. Like the Packers going 13-3 and two of the losses are against the Bears. I am hoping the Packers can squeak out a win.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 13, 2009, 03:02:48 AM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on December 12, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Don't stop pushing the bears' fans buttons!!!! I love it! and I will be loving it just as much tomorrow when I watch the final seconds click off on the Bear's next loss.
Looking at the teams rosters and records it might be easy to assume a Packers victory, but when these two teams play anything can happen. Like the Packers going 13-3 and two of the losses are against the Bears. I am hoping the Packers can squeak out a win.
Although yesterday's game was easily forgettable, the bears still lead the overall series against the pack at 90-83-7. At least my fellow FIBs still have a little breathing room there.
You guys are pretty funny here arguing about the "best" franchise. When/where does the discussion begin about the best band of all time? The Beatles? Rolling Stones? Jackson 5? Megadeth? Run DMC? :happy1:
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 31, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Bears will not win 9 this year. My prediction for the 2009 Bears is...11-5. We'll see who's laughing when I dredge this thread up come January! ;D
Why wait until year end, this seems pretty funny now.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 14, 2009, 02:31:21 PM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 31, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Bears will not win 9 this year. My prediction for the 2009 Bears is...11-5. We'll see who's laughing when I dredge this thread up come January! ;D
Why wait until year end, this seems pretty funny now.
At this rate they'll be 5-11...
Quote from: jasonc on December 14, 2009, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 13, 2009, 03:02:48 AM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on December 12, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Don't stop pushing the bears' fans buttons!!!! I love it! and I will be loving it just as much tomorrow when I watch the final seconds click off on the Bear's next loss.
Looking at the teams rosters and records it might be easy to assume a Packers victory, but when these two teams play anything can happen. Like the Packers going 13-3 and two of the losses are against the Bears. I am hoping the Packers can squeak out a win.
Although yesterday's game was easily forgettable, the bears still lead the overall series against the pack at 90-83-7. At least my fellow FIBs still have a little breathing room there.
You guys are pretty funny here arguing about the "best" franchise. When/where does the discussion begin about the best band of all time? The Beatles? Rolling Stones? Jackson 5? Megadeth? Run DMC? :happy1:
Beatles.
Miles Davis Quintet, mid-60s 8)
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 12, 2009, 08:13:38 AM
You cant get rid of me for the entire year. I like beating you on the course to much! ;D
I have a confidence of 1 for the Steelers over the Packers this week. Whom ever wins earns the title of 'Greatest Franchise of All-time'. Lets settle it on the field!
As far as you beating me on the course......We played against each other 2 times this year.
Sterling....Payne 137 strokes Michler 139 strokes
Worlds....Payne 349 strokes Michler 341 strokes
Looks like we split the matchup. Tie-breaker goes to total strokes which it appears I win by 6 shots. Better luck next year Doug!
Quote from: damonshort on December 14, 2009, 06:15:49 PM
Miles Davis Quintet, mid-60s 8)
spoken like a typical beatnik.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 15, 2009, 06:30:47 AM
Quote from: damonshort on December 14, 2009, 06:15:49 PM
Miles Davis Quintet, mid-60s 8)
spoken like a typical beatnik.
Eh, he was just throwing a little Hand Jive into the discussion. The Packers were certainly better than the Bears and Steelers back then.
Roberto Garza just left Jefferson. He did a pretty good job presenting fueluptoplay60.com
Quote from: Chainmeister on December 15, 2009, 06:40:35 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 15, 2009, 06:30:47 AM
Quote from: damonshort on December 14, 2009, 06:15:49 PM
Miles Davis Quintet, mid-60s 8)
spoken like a typical beatnik.
Eh, he was just throwing a little Hand Jive into the discussion.
Winner of the Obscure Reference of the Year award... AND on your Birthday yet!!
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 15, 2009, 06:26:16 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 12, 2009, 08:13:38 AM
You cant get rid of me for the entire year. I like beating you on the course to much! ;D
I have a confidence of 1 for the Steelers over the Packers this week. Whom ever wins earns the title of 'Greatest Franchise of All-time'. Lets settle it on the field!
As far as you beating me on the course......We played against each other 2 times this year.
Sterling....Payne 137 strokes Michler 139 strokes
Worlds....Payne 349 strokes Michler 341 strokes
Looks like we split the matchup. Tie-breaker goes to total strokes which it appears I win by 6 shots. Better luck next year Doug!
Oh I see, you go to this year? Why don't you date back to 2001 and add em all up Dannyboy, from when we 1st squared off? I think you finished ahead of me in maybe 3-5 events in the last 8 years. Nice! I have treated you like a red headed step child for years. 1 Worlds finish doesn't make the player! Son!
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 14, 2009, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: jasonc on December 14, 2009, 11:14:10 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 13, 2009, 03:02:48 AM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on December 12, 2009, 08:36:17 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 11, 2009, 07:59:13 PM
I will keep quiet about your guys teams for now on on this forum. I seem to have pushed a wrong button, and don't want to upset you guys anymore. Not trying to make enemies here. I will save that for on the golf course. You guys have a nice long winter. Hope to see ya's on the course next spring.
Don't stop pushing the bears' fans buttons!!!! I love it! and I will be loving it just as much tomorrow when I watch the final seconds click off on the Bear's next loss.
Looking at the teams rosters and records it might be easy to assume a Packers victory, but when these two teams play anything can happen. Like the Packers going 13-3 and two of the losses are against the Bears. I am hoping the Packers can squeak out a win.
Although yesterday's game was easily forgettable, the bears still lead the overall series against the pack at 90-83-7. At least my fellow FIBs still have a little breathing room there.
You guys are pretty funny here arguing about the "best" franchise. When/where does the discussion begin about the best band of all time? The Beatles? Rolling Stones? Jackson 5? Megadeth? Run DMC? :happy1:
Beatles.
by far!
A very painful Packer loss. A big week for Doug. A nice Steeler win, and a win in NFL pickem.
I think Peyton Manning has locked up his 4th MVP now. Brees, Favre, Rivers, and Rodgers have all had great years as well, but none control a game and will their team to victories like Manning. Chris Johnson (5.7 yards/carry) deserves to be in the discussion as well. I think he'll get 2000 yards. He also carried by fantasy team into the playoffs which was not an easy feat this year with my team.
No way is Manning going to break Marino's record for passing yards in a season with the Colts having everything locked up at this point.
The Colts and Chargers could be a bigtime matchup in the AFC title game.
In the NFC, I could see the Eagles, Saints, or Vikings making it to the Super Bowl. Maybe a Packers vs. Favre III? That could be interesting.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 21, 2009, 05:47:13 AM
I think Peyton Manning has locked up his 4th MVP now. Brees, Favre, Rivers, and Rodgers have all had great years as well, but none control a game and will their team to victories like Manning. Chris Johnson (5.7 yards/carry) deserves to be in the discussion as well. I think he'll get 2000 yards. He also carried by fantasy team into the playoffs which was not an easy feat this year with my team.
No way is Manning going to break Marino's record for passing yards in a season with the Colts having everything locked up at this point.
The Colts and Chargers could be a bigtime matchup in the AFC title game.
In the NFC, I could see the Eagles, Saints, or Vikings making it to the Super Bowl. Maybe a Packers vs. Favre III? That could be interesting.
Agreed on Manning. Chris Johnson has had one of the best years ever for a running back. Even though the Colts are undefeated, they are by no means the prohibitive favorite in the AFC.
The Vikes and Saints looked a little less invincible this weekend, and the Packers had a very tough loss, but battled until the end. At this point, I wouldn't count out the Cowboys. This is shaping up to be one of the best NFL regular seasons that I can recall. Let's hope the playoffs can build on this excitement.
What a game! Shitty season but that was a fun one to win.
where was that Cutler all year?
Was an excellent game though. Peterson got me a fantasy win by 2 points, even with his fumble.
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 28, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
What a game! Shitty season but that was a fun one to win.
Ya Bears! Finally a game worth watching! 8)
It looks like Lovie saved his job with a two game winning streak.
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 03, 2010, 02:02:33 PM
It looks like Lovie saved his job with a two game winning streak.
Yeah unfortunately the only changes are probably going to be a new Offensive coaching staff and a Defensive play caller. Bears fans will have to wait at least another year before real changes are going to be made. If there is even football in 2011.
7-9 and of those 7 wins 1 maybe 2 quality teams. Vikings and Steelers, if they can be considered a quality team this year. The rest were the worst of the league Detroit(Twice), Cleveland, Seattle, and St. Louis. Seriously. This has been one of the worst years I can remember as a Bears Fan.
Good news! Lovie is the coach for at least one more year.
lovie is awesome. what an interview. we love the players we have on our roster. our system is fine. we need to make major changes. makes sense to me..not
Trust Lovie he will fix everything. This is only the 3rd time he has asked us to trust him since the Super Bowl. I'm sure this time he has it figured out.
What a crock!
Mike Martz and staff - O coordinator
Perry Fewell - D coordinator
Just my guesses from rumors I have heard.
Ha! This should be fun.
Lovie is just the house er ah symbol of the franchise. He is neither as bad as fans currently think nor as great as they thought three years ago. He played the hand he was dealt. You should be thrilled that Angelo is still GM. that bodes well for the green and gold
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That was a painful loss. It was a great game but it would have been nice to see the Packers on the winning side of that game. There were two games this year where the Packers just did not have any answers on defense. The Steelers game and this game. Hopefully the remainder of the playoffs can give us some games with this much excitement.
Aaron Rodgers did a great job bringing the Packers back from 21 points down, the Packers certainly made the right decision in letting Favre go.
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 11, 2010, 02:54:39 AM
Aaron Rodgers did a great job bringing the Packers back from 21 points down, the Packers certainly made the right decision in letting Favre go.
They should have kept Favre and used him as a safety or def back. Maybe they would have stopped the pass.
GB was fortunate to be in that game yesterday. They were totally dominated in the first quater and Arizona could have easily been up 20 or 24-0.
I have never seen a game like that ever. GB scored on every possession in the 2nd half. Warner just put himself into the hall of fame with that performance. I was hoping for the Vikes to knock out GB this year. As the game was unfolding (Ari up 7) I told Dan I was hoping GB would time up the game and Warner would drive them down the field for a last 2nd FG dagger. The fumble for touchdown was even better in OT.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 11, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 11, 2010, 02:54:39 AM
Aaron Rodgers did a great job bringing the Packers back from 21 points down, the Packers certainly made the right decision in letting Favre go.
They should have kept Favre and used him as a safety or def back. Maybe they would have stopped the pass.
GB was fortunate to be in that game yesterday. They were totally dominated in the first quater and Arizona could have easily been up 20 or 24-0.
I have never seen a game like that ever. GB scored on every possession in the 2nd half. Warner just put himself into the hall of fame with that performance. I was hoping for the Vikes to knock out GB this year. As the game was unfolding (Ari up 7) I told Dan I was hoping GB would time up the game and Warner would drive them down the field for a last 2nd FG dagger. The fumble for touchdown was even better in OT.
Pathetic. I guess when your team has taken the pipe for the last 20 years, the only enjoyment you can get is when the team that has totally dominated your team loses.
Well said Tom
Since I really did not care who won or lost the game I just sat and watched in amazement as Warner and Rogers ran through each other's defense like an Avery Jenkins driver. It was so entertaining that I actually watched the football rather than the next Stanley Cup champions losing to the Ducks. The network had to love the game. The winners in that game were the fans and the betters who took the Over. I agree with Brett that Warner pretty much sealed the deal on the Hall of Fame. Rogers showed that the Packers lost one of the greatest QB's in history and did not miss a beat with his replacement.
I thought Warner sealed the HOF with last year's Super Bowl appearance. If he didn't, this game will certainly leave HOF voters with a great impression if this is his last season. He was absolutely on fire yesterday. When GB blitzed and got pressure, Warner burned them by finding the open guy every time. I don't think there is an NFL defense in the league today that could have stopped Arizona's offense yesterday. Good luck to the Saints who got torched by Jason Campbell a few weeks ago!
Aaron Rodgers was almost equally as impressive. Once he learns to get rid of the ball quicker, watch out. I think he's headed for a HOF career himself.
Tom Brady really looked like his days of prominence are over. Not sure if its still the knee injury or if the lack of Welker was more of a factor, but he played terrible. I was hoping to see another Manning/Brady-Colts/Pats showdown, but it appears those days are over.
Every bye-week team has a real chance of losing next week. I don't see any of those teams as a huge favorite. Hopefully we'll get more games like that GB/AZ game.
-The Colts weren't exactly a dominant team in getting to 14-0. 7 of those were come-from-behind. Baltimore's defense and Ray Rice looked awesome last week.
-Dallas is super hot and has the pass rush to cause Favre to break down and throw interceptions. A big game from AP will take the heat off of him and will be necessary for the Vikes to win. Also, did anybody see Cutler light up the Minnesota secondary 2 weeks ago? Romo/Witten/Austin could be in for a big day.
-Will the Saints even be a favorite against Arizona? Saints have the 25th ranked defense. Warner just got through torching the 2nd ranked defense for 5 TD. Should be plenty of points on the board in this one.
-I think San Diego will handle the Jets, but the Jets have sure been hot the last month. They need a monster game from the defense to hold down Rivers.
That being said, all the home teams will probably dominate. I'm terrible at predicting NFL games.
I loved that onside kick. I forced myself to leave before the game was over - but ARGH why did they have to get my hopes up again listening on the radio when ARI missed that FG at the end of the game. I told my brother I was worried about that game before it started - then Rodgers with an uncharacteristic forcing a pass on the first play from scrimmage just confirmed that worry. I have no idea what happened to the GB run defense - if they were able to plug that up that might have been what was needed to stop Warner. What a crazy game.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 11, 2010, 10:33:36 AM
I thought Warner sealed the HOF with last year's Super Bowl appearance. If he didn't, this game will certainly leave HOF voters with a great impression if this is his last season. He was absolutely on fire yesterday. When GB blitzed and got pressure, Warner burned them by finding the open guy every time. I don't think there is an NFL defense in the league today that could have stopped Arizona's offense yesterday. Good luck to the Saints who got torched by Jason Campbell a few weeks ago!
Aaron Rodgers was almost equally as impressive. Once he learns to get rid of the ball quicker, watch out. I think he's headed for a HOF career himself.
Tom Brady really looked like his days of prominence are over. Not sure if its still the knee injury or if the lack of Welker was more of a factor, but he played terrible. I was hoping to see another Manning/Brady-Colts/Pats showdown, but it appears those days are over.
Every bye-week team has a real chance of losing next week. I don't see any of those teams as a huge favorite. Hopefully we'll get more games like that GB/AZ game.
-The Colts weren't exactly a dominant team in getting to 14-0. 7 of those were come-from-behind. Baltimore's defense and Ray Rice looked awesome last week.
-Dallas is super hot and has the pass rush to cause Favre to break down and throw interceptions. A big game from AP will take the heat off of him and will be necessary for the Vikes to win. Also, did anybody see Cutler light up the Minnesota secondary 2 weeks ago? Romo/Witten/Austin could be in for a big day.
-Will the Saints even be a favorite against Arizona? Saints have the 25th ranked defense. Warner just got through torching the 2nd ranked defense for 5 TD. Should be plenty of points on the board in this one.
-I think San Diego will handle the Jets, but the Jets have sure been hot the last month. They need a monster game from the defense to hold down Rivers.
That being said, all the home teams will probably dominate. I'm terrible at predicting NFL games.
Dan,
I agree with everything that you said, except for the comment about Tom Brady. I don't think that you can judge the remainder of his career on one playoff game, besides his amazing 2007 season, his stats have been amazingly similar through the years. I think that he has a couple of good years left in him, you never know how injuries will take a toll, but I do think the Colts/Pats rivalry is not over by any means.
Regarding the rest of the playoffs I am hoping for some more overtime games.
Tom Brady stats:
Season G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD
2001-02 15 86.5 264 413 63.9 2843 189.5 6.9 18
2002-03 16 85.7 373 601 62.1 3764 235.3 6.3 28
2003-04 16 85.9 317 527 60.2 3620 226.3 6.9 23
2004-05 16 92.6 288 474 60.8 3692 230.8 7.8 28
2005-06 16 92.3 334 530 63 4110 256.9 7.8 26
2006-07 16 87.9 319 516 61.8 3529 220.6 6.8 24
2007-08 16 117.2 398 578 68.9 4806 300.4 8.3 50
2008-09 1 83.9 7 11 63.6 76 76 6.9 0
2009-10 16 96.2 371 565 65.7 4398 274.9 7.8 28
Tom, agreed on Tom Brady. This regular season was probably his 2nd best ever. I think expectations were high because of 2007 with the thought that his numbers weren't as good before 2007 because he never had receivers of the caliber of Moss/Welker. His regular season performances consistently pale in comparison to Manning. However, he has often been compared favorably to Manning because of his performance in the playoffs. Sure it was only 1 game, but does this put to rest the Manning vs Brady argument? Manning is in a league of his own. Brady is on that 2nd tier with Brees, Rivers, etc...
Also, can we stop calling Belichick a genius now? He has been calling the shots personnel-wise that have led directly to this team's defensive problems. He also made some Lovie-esque in-game decisions this year. The Patriots are still a competitive team, but their days as a true contender appear to be over to me. No defense, no running game. They were the team of the decade in the 2000s (what is this decade called?), largely because of that defense. They didn't really play a great game against any playoff caliber teams this year.
Breaking News on ESPN.
Bears Defensive end, 26 year old Gaines Adams, died. They didn't say how, but an autopsy will be conducted soon they said.
Sorry to hear that Chicago fans.
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
thank god, i do not think i could have handled the Favre-loving media for the next 2 weeks without breaking my remote control. by the way, did the Vikings officially change their name to 'Brett Favre and the Vikings', or is that just how Joe Buck refers to them?
Colts vs. Saints will be interesting. Manning might have a field day against that defense that just got torched by the Vikings for about 500 yards. I don't think the Colts will be handing the ball over to the Saints quite so frequently.
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 24, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
he posted that at 7:30 pm, which means he was probably talking about that 1st Favre interception, which clearly did hurt his team. i don't think there is anything nuts about that.
What a game.
You can send around blame to quite a few Vikings for that loss. Favre is definitely 1 of them. Peterson lost a couple fumbles. Harvin lost a fumble. Favre threw 2 bad picks. I thought Childress' playcalling on that last drive in the 4th quarter was atrocious. The Vikings special teams did them no favors with their kickoff coverage in OT. If Favre lumbers for an easy 5 yards instead of throwing a pick back across the field (by the way, this type of interception should be nicknamed a "Favre" because I've seen him do this so many times) then Longwell is setup for a 49 or 50 yard FG to win it. In a dome for a guy who was 26 of 28 this year, thats a pretty makeable FG. The Vikings certainly had plenty of opportunies after outplaying the Saints badly in the 2nd half. They just couldn't get out of their own way.
With AP, has a running back ever been as good and yet so damaging to his team on a regular basis? I don't see how you can not play him, but at the same time I can't rank him as a great RB because he flat-out loses games for his team. The Vikings win this game easily without the Peterson fumbles. And yes, the Vikings did get ripped on that 3rd down pass-interference call in OT. The guy was falling down before getting touched.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 24, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
but, if he runs in that open field he had in front of him(at least 8 yards) they call timeout, then kick an easy 43 yd fg in regulation.
He has played long enough to know better than to commit the #1 cardinal sin as a QB. Never throw back against the grain!!
But the 3rd down interference call was BS!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 25, 2010, 01:36:47 PMHe has played long enough to know better than to commit the #1 cardinal sin as a QB. Never throw back against the grain!!
You live by the Favre, you die by the Favre.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 24, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
All I know is that I got home fro work and got to see the last drive only to watch Favre go and throw an INT rather than taking the easy 5 yards that were ahead of him to get the field goal chance.
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 25, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 24, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
All I know is that I got home fro work and got to see the last drive only to watch Favre go and throw an INT rather than taking the easy 5 yards that were ahead of him to get the field goal chance.
It is easy to say now. Favre was getting his brains beat in. I can certainly understand his decision not to run.
I lived in New Orleans during the mid-80s; the only NFL games I've ever attended were at the Superdome. (including one against the Bears - I think McMahon's rookie season. Bears lost in OT, but the highlight was being the only person in my section standing up and screaming when Payton ran about 30 yds for a touchdown earlier....)
Anyhow, I've got a soft spot for the Saints. I won't argue that the Vikings threw it away, and the OT interference call was a joke, but maybe they really are a team of destiny this year.
I don't think they'll beat the Colts, but I hope it's half as entertaining as last night's game was.
Somehow I feel like karma is going to come back and get the Colts for not trying for 19-0. I'm taking the Saints in a low scoring game. 23-19
I can't make my predictions until I have purchased my squares.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 26, 2010, 05:27:23 AM
Somehow I feel like karma is going to come back and get the Colts for not trying for 19-0. I'm taking the Saints in a low scoring game. 23-19
My honest opinion... Manning will never lose a Super Bowl..
Colts 35
Saints 24
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 25, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 25, 2010, 01:49:33 PM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on January 24, 2010, 08:32:21 PM
Quote from: Fox Metro Discer on January 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
another year, another Brett Favre INT that costs his team. I will have to say that it is nice watching him do it for a team that I despise rather than the one I want to win!
You are nuts if you think Favre cost them that win. The Vikings totally dominated that game.
All I know is that I got home fro work and got to see the last drive only to watch Favre go and throw an INT rather than taking the easy 5 yards that were ahead of him to get the field goal chance.
It is easy to say now. Favre was getting his brains beat in. I can certainly understand his decision not to run.
I was only partially watching the game, but I knew that he hurt his ankle and had it tied up. Was he hobbling pretty bad after that? That would make a really good reason for him to not want to run with it and try to force that pass.
Now I'm just glad that I pretty much could care less who wins - it lets me sit back and enjoy the commercials :) Let's hope they don't stink as much as many of them have the past couple of years!
The Vikings gave the game away and Favre just put the icing on the cake. His last intercetpion cost them a chance to win the game. He could have just fallin down. He could have thrown the ball away. That throw was stupid. You never bootleg one way and throw back the other. That looked like Cuttler at his best this year.
Peyton Manning just destroyed one of the best defenses in the NFL. Who he was getting owned by for the first 20-25 mins of the game. I don't think the Saints defense stands a chance. I used to think there was a debate about who the best QB in the NFL is. Not anymore. Peyton Manning is a genius at QB. The others are good but this year proved to me he is the best. He has carried this Offense with 1 established NFL WR and no running game. His TE and O line are pretty good. But he just beat the Jets Defense with Garcon and Collie. Who are they? If the Saints stand any chance againts the Colts the Saints Offense is going to have to win in a shoot out. I am not sure they can do that.
Colts to win. Saints will cover if the spread gets to 7.5 points.
nfl admits mistake in no penalty being called with tackle below the knees on favre.
Bears acquiring a few free agents today including Chester Taylor, age 31, and Julius Peppers, age 30.
Still need an offensive line and a WR.....
Taylor can take 5-10 carries/game from Forte which will be nice, but probably not a season changer. He's a 31 year old RB which usually spells trouble in the NFL.
Peppers is a monster defensive end and should significantly help the pass rush next season. If Urlacher and Harris are back healthy we might have a respectable defense next year.
The best chance we have to help out Cutler next year would probably be to work a trade for Boldin. With no 1st or 2nd round picks this year, I'm not sure if it will be possible. At 30 years old with injuries, he might not command a ton in return though.
Looks like the Bears are under the impression they can win next year to save Lovie's job.......we'll see!
I don't think the Ravens signed Boldin to trade him to the Bears! :o
They need O-Line help before anything else. They are talking about trading Olsen for draft picks this year. If they do that, get ready for a long 3-4 years under Martz calling plays. Can't get rid of the best receiver on the team. But history shows Martz NEVER uses his TE's.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 05, 2010, 03:51:26 PM
I don't think the Ravens signed Boldin to trade him to the Bears! :o
They need O-Line help before anything else. They are talking about trading Olsen for draft picks this year. If they do that, get ready for a long 3-4 years under Martz calling plays. Can't get rid of the best receiver on the team. But history shows Martz NEVER uses his TE's.
They should definately not trade Greg Olsen.
Martz uses tight ends to block and block alot. Olsens a pussy and can't block. Adios Mr. Olsen. The man from San Diego will do just fine. The Peppers move is huge. It is alot of money to spend but who gives a shit about the Bears bank account. Taylor will push Forte too. Good moves considering nothing coming from drafts.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 05, 2010, 03:51:26 PM
I don't think the Ravens signed Boldin to trade him to the Bears! :o
They need O-Line help before anything else. They are talking about trading Olsen for draft picks this year. If they do that, get ready for a long 3-4 years under Martz calling plays. Can't get rid of the best receiver on the team. But history shows Martz NEVER uses his TE's.
Everybody needs O-line help, which is why there is no O-line help available. The draft is the only option to get O-line help, which is perhaps why you'd consider trading Olsen for draft picks. I don't care who the best receiver is, if Cutler gets the protection he had last year it won't result in wins.
By the way, if Martz is here for 3-4 years, that means we won a lot of games. So I'd love to get ready for that!
If we don't win a playoff game this year, Angelo, Lovie, and the rest of the coaching staff are all history. This is why they are making these drastic moves in a desperate attempt to win now. Too bad we don't have Gaines Adams opposite of Peppers. RIP.
Quote from: Dan Michler on March 06, 2010, 06:55:46 AM
If we don't win a playoff game this year, Angelo, Lovie, and the rest of the coaching staff are all history. This is why they are making these drastic moves in a desperate attempt to win now.
its sad to say but i almost hope they have another crap season. I HATE ANGELO!!!!!!!! since you cant fire the owners hes the one i want gone the most. i was praying he'd get fired. i was very sad. im guessing my letter to the bears was left on deaf ears. but i think id still rather they win a playoff game or two.
i wish we had traded hester in his prime for some real talent. hes fast and used to be able to run back returns. now he is useless and we cant get a damn thing for him. it would suck to lose olsen. cutler and him had a descent connection.
the sad thing is during angelo and lovies time with the bears weve had the talent to win superbowls. now that talent is too old. this last season was our chance and they blew it. the bears are in a hard place, either continue to try to make quick fixes or realize they should dump their talent while they can and start rebuilding. the defensive secondary is garbage, either their old or dumb (not enough brains to read the situation). the O-line needs a complete revamp. WR is lacking but there is a couple of hopefuls. most of our talent is old and only has a couple of good seasons left. stupid @$$ lovie and angelo also traded away all our picks to give us a chance at doing anything in the near future.