I was surprised that I did not find a thread for Homie. Of course, I could be blind and/or senile and have missed it.
Does anybody know what courses and which tees Rec. and/or Novice will play? I hope to get to Lemon Lake Saturday if there is not a monsoon and want to preview the courses I am expected to play. Of course, regardless of the responses to this query, I will pay attention at the players meeting in case the information is inaccurate. ;) I will likely give away enough strokes on my own and will not want to give away any more by playing the wrong tee. :-\
Also, I have not been to Lemon Lake in over a year. Will I need a sherpa to find the newer courses? I am really only framiliar with the original course and a little bit of the second one.
This will be the first year I go play the Homie. I've heard many great things about different aspects of the tourney. I've only played a couple of the holes there and have not seen much of the courses in the woods. Is it cart friendly or should I not even bother?
My recoillection is that most of the original course is very cart friendly. There are two holes that I recall on the lake side of the road that are up and down and hardere for a cart. However, I do not think they are impossible. A local can give you a better perspective. This is a great event and you should have a good time. See you there.
The courses I've played out there have been fine for carts.
Taylor will now tell us about course assignments:
;D
Taken from a comment on this page: http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com/?p=101
Pros & Adv – Silver & Blue
Ams & Rec – Red & White
there were a couple of spots on red and white that i had to lift the cart
but other wise no worries
Quote from: Chainmeister on September 29, 2009, 06:32:50 AM
. Will I need a sherpa to find the newer courses? I am really only framiliar with the original course and a little bit of the second one.
The first tee for white is about 100 feet from tournament central and the basket for 18 is about 40 feet away. So no, shouldn't need a sherpa. It would be entertaining and memorable though if you do decide to bring one along. Sherpas would probably make great caddies.
Spuds and I have played this a few times and can definitely point you in the right direction.
Red is basically the original course with a couple added so no problems there.
Quote from: pickax on September 29, 2009, 06:44:33 AM
This will be the first year I go play the Homie. I've heard many great things about different aspects of the tourney. I've only played a couple of the holes there and have not seen much of the courses in the woods. Is it cart friendly or should I not even bother?
Red is very cart friendly. White has holes that are not cart friendly. Short up and down holes 4-7 are not good for a cart. They put in stepping stones to make traversing a bit easier. I dueced 2 of these and hit a third on a second shot just to see if I could get it. Otherwise, it should be ok. Considering all the rain we had the course was in excellent shape today. I thought the White Course was supposed to be more challenging than the Red but found I it much easier than the red. It might be that I just played lousier on the red. Not sure.
White is the beginner course of the 4 out there. There are no long holes and every hole could be deuced by even average players. White is a good course for me because I can shoot under par and feel like I accomplished something, which isn't saying much for my skills. Red is much more challenging.
looks like a good time. always here its a blast, but homie always falls on a weekend that i have something already planned. :'( hopefully for the rec players going they move the guy rated 903 up to int.
Saw that too. Only 3 points over but that's why they have the ratings.
I forgot to mention this about my visit Saturday. There was construction on 133rd St blocking the drive to Lemon Lake. I was rerouted back north to 109th St. and then went east to Cline and back south towards 133rd as Cline runs into Cedar Lake. The detour was reasonably well marked. I do not know if this will be the case this coming Sunday. I am going to turn off Rte. 41 on 109th rather than going all the way to 133rd.
Did you take 65 down or suburbia drive?
What time do things get started on Sunday? I can't find a schedule posted anywhere.
Quote from: tacimala on October 05, 2009, 07:37:15 AM
Did you take 65 down or suburbia drive?
I took 80/94, the Bishop Ford. I got off at exit 2 which is Independance or Rte. 41. Farther south the same road is called Wicker. Its a basic suburban highway most of the way south. Normally I take that all the wasy to 133rd St. Unless somebody can tell us the construction and detour has been removed I say take it to 109th as mentioned above.
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9062
pre reg or wait in line
Quote from: pickax on October 05, 2009, 07:41:12 AM
What time do things get started on Sunday? I can't find a schedule posted anywhere.
Player's meeting -- 9:00 a.m.
First Tee -- 9:30 a.m.
http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com/?p=101#comments
any one who pre reg'd
did you get any sort of security warning message ?
hey anyone know anyone from peoria thats going to HOMIE. I need a ride back to college, u can take 80 all the way back to rock island, il/ moline, il. Its only an 1.5 hrs away from peoria, and i would reimburse u for ur generosity of taking me back. Pay for some gas or whateveer. I would be so thankful if u could do this for me. I am coming home this weekend just to play HOMIE and spend time with my new baby sister.
If u know of anyone that is from Peoria or if u are from there and u are interested in helping me out...
u can contact me at (815) 474-1404
-Javy
I won't be attending the Homie unless I get called off. I'm working Saturday night until Sunday.
Have fun, everyone!
Mike Krupicka! Do you have elf ratings on any of the Homie Am4s? I realize they aren't going to do anything with elf ratings, but Diana was trying to decide whether to play Am4 or one of the other nine or ten divisions she is eligible for.
I have elf ratings for Jerry Dunne and Patrick Tueth. They are MA5. I'll see you there.
Maddisen has two contests this weekend so we will not be attending either. A few weeks ago I was hoping to take Maddisen and Becky to the Homie and I could take some pictures...but then I realized that Maddisen has Saturday and Sunday contests this weekend. Oh well...Go Cats!!! ;D
And to all that are going to the Homie, dress in layers!
Mitch- Still thinking of going to the homie, let me know. I got the green light, so I'm set! Sunny but cold for Sunday.
It looks like the Brakel Committee of the PDGA will not have a quorum, so no official business will be transacted! :D
I will be bringing 40 or 50 discs for the people who are taking delivery at the Homie. It is not too late to get in on that. I also have a Cubs Destroyer and a Cubs Boss. Both are fresh and turned out nice. I'm going to bring those. They aren't on the BOGO lists because they aren't BOGO, but I'd go $15 on either.
I've shipped eight packages and over 200 discs in the last 48 hours.
JAVY: If you go look at the pre-reg on pdga.com, you can see who is going from where. The pre-reg shows hometowns.
Yea i know that, but i dont know how to get in contact with those people..
novice grandmaster division for tueth
Quote from: javy16 on October 08, 2009, 08:54:27 AM
Yea i know that, but i dont know how to get in contact with those people..
www.zabasearch.com is useful half of the time for me. When I was promoting Am4, it is how I generated a mailing list.
alright thanks bruce.
Krupicka
Barish
Damon Short
cant putt
Roman
Tony Battisti
Senior
Remember to bring extra money . Cant putt, check your messages in ten minutes.
This is one of the most frustrating things about this event now that there are more courses. Glad I checked. Who knows if this is correct.
Open
Rd1Silver
Rd2Silver with 3 Gold Holes
Advanced
Rd1Red
Rd2Blue
Int.
Rd1Blue
Rd2White
Rec.
Rd1White
Rd2Red
Other than it makes elf ratings nearly impossible, what is frustrating about it?
Quote from: pickax on October 10, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
Other than it makes elf ratings nearly impossible, what is frustrating about it?
Every year it's never clearly stated what courses will be played. It was posted earlier pros would be playing Blue/Silver. Now it is Silver/Silver +3 Gold. Last year I was told when I registered pros would be playing Gold/Blue. We ended up playing Silver/Red. It's just a guessing game.
Is there any chance that they will turn people away that are not pre-registered? Or since there are many courses will they let everybody play.
Quote from: KenGmoney1 on October 10, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Is there any chance that they will turn people away that are not pre-registered? Or since there are many courses will they let everybody play.
Says a max of 288.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 10, 2009, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: KenGmoney1 on October 10, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
Is there any chance that they will turn people away that are not pre-registered? Or since there are many courses will they let everybody play.
Says a max of 288.
We should be good Kenny.
2008-189
2007-168
2006-143
2005-142
2004-156
2003-157
Since I haven't been asked if I want to go home at 11pm, I'm not going to make the Homie this year :(
Good luck and happy discin' to all who attend! Keep warm out there!
238
Excellent event today. 238 players for a one day event. Got to see two aces on my card the second round, unfortunately neither one belonged to me. Brian Cummings and the rest of the Red Roc gang did a great job on getting us out of there at a reasonable time.
Chud--- I picked you up a blue champion sidewinder and a yellow dx aviar with your winnings today.
Wish I could have made it, but one of the few things I'd rather have done today than play disc golf is create some good music. (English majors; diagram that sentence.)
Which I did.
(diagram that one too.)
I really appreciate getting lunch and dinner at the tournament. If you have a bad round like Diana, or play reasonably well but not good enough like Kira, at least you get the two lunches and a day full of frisbee golf with friends.
I hope they get scores up promptly like they did with Indiana States.
Did I hear it was a record for attendance at Homie? Pretty awesome time with tons of great people.
Thanks to all involved for making this event happen.
Great cause for such good people! Lemon Lake Rocks.
Damon, what time signature was that?
What a great day. I saw lots of friends. I made new friends. I played good courses. I overcame a rough start in both rounds to have a very good day on the course. I got fed. I came home with some new plastic. The best thing about the day? Getting a hug from Homie's mom.
Very fun day! Although cold the weather at the Homie has been rain free for the past 7 years. Lunch and dinner is a big bonus. For $50 this is the best value event I get every year. I played the Silver course a month ago and saw several new cement tee pads and and briges insalled since that day.. They are doing some good work out there.
The only constructive criticism I have is the lack of information about the courses and tees that will be played. Since the Silver/Gold course was installed there have been serious issues with groups playing the wrong tees. During round 1 there were groups playing provisionals and playing both gold/silver tees on holes. There were several groups that played the wrong tees and got penalized. There was a major debacle at Indiana States as well.
It might be beneficial for them to have a quick all players meeting at green building then send everyone to their courses for a players meeting just for those divisions starting on that course.
You can't explain all the courses or answer questions at that meeting. It might take a little longer to assemble for another meeting at each course, but at least they could go over rules real quick for that course and answer questions relating to that course.
I'm trying to be nice and avoid the constructive criticism. I keep deleting the "But" paragraph!
The additional benches are nice. The new paver tee pads are cool. Having the baskets and tee signs color coded according to the name of the course works. Choosing simple primary colors works even better.
Brian Cummings was talking about how they are going to make all the courses longer for Worlds. It will be interesting to see what the courses become.
Tom - Thanks for picking out discs for me! Its hard to believe I won anything at all after the last round. The Homie is something I'll definitely do next year. The courses and people were awesome and I was glad just to be a part of it all. It was a great event but unfortunately I let my anger get to me and left after 2nd round.
Quote from: CHUD on October 13, 2009, 06:20:03 AM
Tom - Thanks for picking out discs for me! Its hard to believe I won anything at all after the last round. The Homie is something I'll definitely do next year. The courses and people were awesome and I was glad just to be a part of it all. It was a great event but unfortunately I let my anger get to me and left after 2nd round.
Diana heard that this year's might have been the last one.
How sad... Why wouldn't they? Is it getting too big? That sucks! I guess we'll have to wait and see...
The sponsors are thinking about or planning on moving somewhere distant.
Pretty sure the fall tourney will always happen.. maybe without all the bells and whistles..
Scores are up.
Great event. $30 am fee plus $4 park fee gets you a t-shirt, two meals, all the bananas and apples you care to eat strategically located on the course, good courses, nice facilities. Brian handled the crowd well. Bruce, it was a pleasure sharing your card for two rounds.
Scores are up, but ratings are wrong. They haven't put the course info in.
Well, ratings are correct for the *average* player! ;D
For the first round, unofficial ratings would be about 30 or 40 points low for the Gold-Silver pool, about 40 points high for the White pool and close on the average for the Red and Blue pools. The second round would be similarly skewed, low for Gold-Silvers and high for whites.
Quote from: pickax on October 13, 2009, 10:09:47 AM
Scores are up, but ratings are wrong. They haven't put the course info in.
What?!?! You mean I DIDN'T shoot a 1063 rated round? Damn....
Actually, white is looking more skewed than 30 or 40 points, especially the second round. It is possible that the rounds on White will never get official ratings because the course is so easy.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on October 13, 2009, 11:14:30 AM
Actually, white is looking more skewed than 30 or 40 points, especially the second round. It is possible that the rounds on White will never get official ratings because the course is so easy.
I don't see why the easiness of the course would matter in that regard. The compression will be high, maybe 13 or more points/stroke. I do not think the course is much easier than Parkside from the shorts or Lippold. Right now the ratings for white are so high that its hard to forecast what the ratings really are. The pro ratings look awfully low. The red course (2nd round Rec and Intermediate) looks pretty accurate. I see they have Diana's PDGA number wrong and have her rated 926. That should have had a somewhat depressive effect on the white ratings but apparently, did not.
Since they didn't enter course info. The ratings were calculated as if all divisions played the same course for each round. The unofficial ratings are worthless until that is straightened out (or I just run the numbers myself).
Dave, the PDGA ratings system has a minimum course SSA requirement for generating ratings. Chuck mentioned this before on pdga.com about the White course after Indiana States. I think it is 42, the answer to life, the universe and everything. There's a good reason for it, but it is mathematical and hard to explain or understand. When courses get easier than that, a certain 850ish rated junior girl could whup her 935ish Am Master dad with her short driving accuracy, and that is true throughout the field. She used to love those courses! Ratings cease to be meaningful at that point. They picked 42 and White can go under or over. With only rec and novice players in the morning field, it might make it over 42.
Mike, if you ran ratings, what did you get for the White SSAs?
If the person or persons who upload the scores for the Homie read this forum but don't know how to get the right people onto the right courses and would like some over the phone help, please feel free to call me. Even if you don't know me. 224-five 6 seven-3 three 9 three.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on October 13, 2009, 01:30:34 PM
Dave, the PDGA ratings system has a minimum course SSA requirement for generating ratings. Chuck mentioned this before on pdga.com about the White course after Indiana States. I think it is 42, the answer to life, the universe and everything. There's a good reason for it, but it is mathematical and hard to explain or understand. When courses get easier than that, a certain 850ish rated junior girl could whup her 835ish Am Master dad with her short driving accuracy, and that is true throughout the field. She used to love those courses! Ratings cease to be meaningful at that point. They picked 42 and White can go under or over. With only rec and novice players in the morning field, it might make it over 42.
Mike, if you ran ratings, what did you get for the White SSAs?
That makes sense. I think her dad is more 935ish but simply misplayed a keystroke. As a semi accurate puss arm, I understand that the white course narrowed the gap between much better players and myself. I think the advanced or intermediate players were on white second round which 1) is kind of silly and 2) may tend to push SSA below the threshold.
To get an idea of ratings I just looked at past events on those same courses. I know that's not accurate, but it does give you some idea of where you are at.
I know for sure I didn't shoot a 1009 rated round on the White course first round! I'd be happy if it was 920-930. Still my highest rated round to date, on what is admittedly a pretty easy course.
Looking at Indiana States SSAs, it looks like White had an SSA of 44 there but they accidentally reported it as having been Red.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 12, 2009, 07:31:03 AM
Very fun day! Although cold the weather at the Homie has been rain free for the past 7 years. Lunch and dinner is a big bonus. For $50 this is the best value event I get every year. I played the Silver course a month ago and saw several new cement tee pads and and briges insalled since that day.. They are doing some good work out there.
The only constructive criticism I have is the lack of information about the courses and tees that will be played. Since the Silver/Gold course was installed there have been serious issues with groups playing the wrong tees. During round 1 there were groups playing provisionals and playing both gold/silver tees on holes. There were several groups that played the wrong tees and got penalized. There was a major debacle at Indiana States as well.
After reflecting for a few days and seeing the results posted today I thought i'd post again. Brian Cummings and crew has come a long ways. This was the biggest event he has run and it was one of the most efficient. Great job BC & crew!
Quote from: Tom McManus on October 11, 2009, 07:14:46 PM
Excellent event today. 238 players for a one day event. Got to see two aces on my card the second round, unfortunately neither one belonged to me. Brian Cummings and the rest of the Red Roc gang did a great job on getting us out of there at a reasonable time.
Chud--- I picked you up a blue champion sidewinder and a yellow dx aviar with your winnings today.
Overall the Homie was one of the better events of the year.239 players at one venue is pretty amazing. Jay did a super job with scorecards, and getting the payouts done in a reasonable amount of time. It was key that Brian didn't play this year and really focused on keeping things moving along.
The courses are constantly getting better, thank you to all the volunteers who put in numerous hours to make that happen. I do think the $4.00 course fee up front is fair, but perhaps should be better publicized. I do not have a problem with the fee, but it would be nice to know up front. Another nice touch is that there were some very nice trophies given out to the winners the day of the event. Not everyone places the same emphasis on trophies, but these ones looked special.
This is a memorial tournament and I really think that with the shirts, Homie's Mom being on site offering hugs and encouragement, and Brian leading things it was a very nice way to memorialize Matt.
A great job by everyone, but there could be just a couple of minor changes to make the event better. Having handouts of the courses was nice, but there was still some information missing. Our card started the day on hole 3 on the blue course, there is a long and a short tee, there wasn't any info on which tee to tee off on, but there was a ctp flag on the short tee. I grabbed a garbage can and with Tony Batisti's help set it on the long tee. That way everyone played the same tee. It would have been nice to see the distances on the handout sheets or the score cards. Flags at tee pads would have been a bonus. On the blue course after hole 15, hole sixteen was missing the number 1, so it looked like hole 6. The way it was routed just threw us off a little bit.
Again, these are not complaints, just suggestions. Overall this was an outstanding event. Brian has been running events for over 25 years, it is easy to see how much his hard work has benefitted the northwest Indiana disc golf scene. We are all lucky to have a guy like Brian stay active and involved in disc golf.
Hello All,
I'd like to start by thanking you all of your support of this years HOMIE and tournaments past at Lemon Lake. 239 players IS now a record for us, beating this years Indiana States attendance (209). Hopefully things will still continue to grow. Since I've been receiving emails & hearing suggestions, I thought I'd step in to try and clear some air.
1. I do all the reporting for the club, whether it is the website, PDGA reports, flyers, maps, scorecards...anything EXCEPT the rules for the courses used at tournaments. I noticed the error on the Silver sheet midway through the 1st round about which round the Gold Tees were supposed to be played. This was then brought up to Brian by myself & Mike Z, then by Ebz & Bundy. Brian was prepared for the incident that followed. I assure you that will be taken care of for future events.
2. I first put out the info at our website because I did not think it was going to change. I was then told, by Brian, which courses were to be used by what division on Saturday (10-10) during doubles and made up a color coded sheet that was distributed to the pre-reg table, walk up sign ups, and was also placed on the information board in the middle of the room. I really can't it clearer unless I print it poster size. People still do not attend players meetings to listen to the tournament director, instead hanging out in parking lot getting their heads ready for the round or they just think the rules don't apply to them.
3. Since the course has been tweaked while working on in, maps of the Silver course were still being adjusted. However, I created full color course maps for White, Red, and Blue. They are available at http://www.lakecountyparks.com/lemonlake.html. Printing 200 of each was impossible since all printing is done through my personal printer at home and It would have taken a week to print them all.
4. If you attended the tournament on Sunday, Oct. 11th and were one of the entries that did NOT get a players package, please email me .....redrocdiscgolf@yahoo.com.....Charlene (Matt's mother) will be placing another order at the end of the month.
If you received the incorrect size, you can mail your shirt to:
Lemon Lake County Park, 6322 W. 133rd Avenue – Crown Point, Indiana 46307 and request another size. Please include cashiers check for amount of return shipping.
5. PLAYERS RATINGS ISSUES.....Since returning from Arizona this March, I have been doing all the reporting. I have heard your voices & I will be contacting Jon this evening to figure out what I need to do to correct the UNOFFICIAL ratings. I have tried to work with the PDGA on making it easier to report multiple setups on multiple courses, but since there are only 3 places with more that 2 courses on the property, it's not a priority. Once the PDGA report goes in, they look at the section that explains which division played what course and adjust the ratings accordingly. I spoke to Chuck Kennedy about this issue yesterday, even before I submitted the results because I knew it would be incorrect but I did not want to delay the posting of the results.
6. I met with Charlene & Jim last night and spoke with them on a number of things including if this was to be the last event that they would be involved in. I was assured that they were looking to move farther south in Munster and would be holding this event as long a Charlene was alive. She can't think of a better way to honor her ONLY son (and my good friend) by spending time around Matts birthday (this year especially) with the people that Matt loved as well. For those who don't know Matt, I can tell you stories & provide photos.
7. I personally would like to thank everyone for the compliments on the courses themselves. Since being hired on a Disc Golf Course Maintenance Director, it fills me with great pride to see so many persons playing out there. Since putting in the original 18 (Blue 1 & 15, Red 1-7, 10-18) in 1999, we could not have seen what was to become The Lemon Lake Disc Golf Complex in the next 10 years. It took Brian & myself 3 years of demonstrations at Deep River Waterpark & presentations to the Parks Board before they EVEN let us cut the first tree.
Hope this helps put some of the fires. Please feel free to contact me with your thoughts
redrocdiscgolf@yahoo.com
Jay Svitko #7307
PDGA Official, PDGA Marshal
Assistant TD - 2010 Pro World Championship
Congrats to Nick Fyock for shooting a 1074 rated round to win INT and the ACE and the 5050
Moderator's note: Edited the name of the guest poster. I'm sure the poster didn't mean any offense...but it seemed weird so I changed it to "Guest". - Jon
Obviously that guy was an imposter. Anyone who knew Homie knows that he doesn't have any idea what "1074 rated" means, and what's an INT? Is that the new name for Ams? It is hard to keep up on the new disc golf stuff here. We've got a new guy here, Timmy. Maybe he can explain this.
Nick, buddy, if you won in Ams, move up already. Grow a pair and go pro.
Running out of time, now. Heard you all cheering. Got to go.
Nick is currently rated 926 which is Int. or Am 2. He is not a bagger. He shot lights out and had a great day taking home gobs of both plastic and money on Sunday. I don't think his round will be 1074 rated but will be very high and may bump him up to Adv. or MA1 by the next update. Nice shooting buddy!
I thought it was a heart felt congratulations. If it wasn't then I'll make up for it. Nice day Nick!!!
Quote from: GhostInTheMachine on October 14, 2009, 12:22:55 PM
Obviously that guy was an imposter. Anyone who knew Homie knows that he doesn't have any idea what "1074 rated" means, and what's an INT? Is that the new name for Ams? It is hard to keep up on the new disc golf stuff here. We've got a new guy here, Timmy. Maybe he can explain this.
Nick, buddy, if you won in Ams, move up already. Grow a pair and go pro.
Running out of time, now. Heard you all cheering. Got to go.
Pro?? ha ha, right.
Advanced yes, pro, no
Ratings for HOMIE tournament have been adjusted/repaired as of 9:25am today
Sweet. But man, my performance just got really depressing.
They even caught the fact that the Open Pros played Silver / Silver&Gold while the older pros played Silver&Gold / Silver. Good catch.
Right now the Intermediates are generating a White SSA of about 41.14 but the Rec/Nov are generating a White SSA of 42.57. Have I got the math right here? I'm not sure. Mike? Help.
The two pools are 26 ratings points apart for the same scores, so maybe they don't get combined. I'm not looking up the rule on that.
For good or for bad, intermediate rounds on White might not get rated. If they get combined, maybe no one gets rated. White needs to be toughened up for tournament play.
Quote from: redrocdiscgolf on October 15, 2009, 07:26:57 AM
Ratings for HOMIE tournament have been adjusted/repaired as of 9:25am today
It was kind of funny. Jay called me up last night and I had my laptop booted up already in front of me but I couldn't get into the IOS 4 online since it had been submitted (I needed to look at it to tell Jay what tab to go into and how to do it). So, while I was looking for the link to the practice area Jay says "Oh, I think I just found it!" And he had and was all set. But he was nice enough to thank me for the help...even though I didn't give him any!
I got 42.55 and 41.18 for the SSA. Ratings are combined if they are with 1.5 SSA. For official ratings, White should get combined as long as the TD report uses the same layout code for MA3/MA4 RD1 and MA2 Rd2. Whether or not they get dropped because the SSA is slightly below 42 is debatable. If was just a division of MA3/MA4, then I would argue that they shouldn't be dropped as the players aren't getting too close to the compression point. With MA2 in the mix, it gets more intereseting. Time for the ask chuck thread...
I'd agree, white should be toughed for tournament play.
Maybe some of the shortest holes just need to be turned into yellow rope island holes! >:D
From Ask Chuck...
41.4 is the minimum SSA that we've judged acceptable over the years. We would normally average those two rounds together anyway to do the ratings which would bring the SSA above the minimum.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on October 15, 2009, 09:58:32 AM
Maybe some of the shortest holes just need to be turned into yellow rope island holes! >:D
BUNCRs!