Moderator's Note: Bearmax changed his entire original post making the replies seem completely irrational. I have added his original post to this post followed by his edited post.
Original post from: bearmax on Yesterday at 08:03:21 PM
I attended the Halloween tourney at Rockford on 10/24 and had a blast. Unfortunately, Discontinuum moved a tourney to the same date of Rockford's previously scheduled tourney. Maybe an honest mistake!
It has come to my attention that one of the Discontinuum administrators has been using his pull with the PDGA for personal gain. He tried his best to deny sanctioning to Rockford because it coincided with the Joliet tourney. I have been playing this game for over 20 years and I have enjoyed promoting the sport to anyone and everyone who may be interested in playing the greatest game on earth. I spent a decade as the Tournament Director in Rockford and I have NEVER tried to "cut the throat" of another club or a fellow player. I t goes against our basic principle, promoting the sport.
This has had a disastrous effect on some players who have been faithful followers of your club and it's tournaments. As a rule, disc golfers do not like politics. Keep this up and your "membership drive" may go the wrong direction. I have already heard talk of a boycott by people in your area. This is just a piece of advice from an old TD that has been around the block a couple of times.
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My posting yesterday was not meant to start trouble but to avoid complications in the future. I would never boycott your club. Do not shoot the messenger or try to imply that anyone else is responsible for my words or actions. I was just passing along information that I heard from other people that may be detrimental to both organizations. The rumor of a boycott was enough to concern me. Whatever is going on with people of more authority than myself needs to be addressed, that was my message.
I have been involved with promoting the sport for a long time and my posting was meant to be informational. I will apologize for be too direct or harsh to anyone in particular but that is how I get my point across. People will not respond to those who come across being soft or indirect. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I hide behind nothing.
I would like for all organizations across the area to correspond and work together. Jason hit the nail on the head. There have been an honest mistake in scheduling. I stated this in my original posting. I stayed in constant communication with fellow TDs throughout the area during my tenure in the 1990's. Things have changed and now have become competitive between clubs. The competition should stay on the course.
I have always had a good relationship with fellow golfers. I don't want my posting to be a problem. I should have kept some information which I passed on to myself. I should not have assumed that any particular party or parties are responsible. I will again apologize for that. If Discontinuum Administration wishes me to never post again, I will honor that request. Some acquired information is best kept to myself.
Barry Maxwell , GRABM member.
[Barry Maxwell has amended his post to include his identity, so naturally I will amend mine. If Barry Maxwell was previously well known by his board name bearmax, I apologize for my offensive remarks. Hopefully the moderator will not feel a need to restore my intemperate and flu induced remarks!]
Quote from: bearmax on October 25, 2009, 06:03:21 PM
I attended the Halloween tourney at Rockford on 10/24 and had a blast. Unfortunately, Discontinuum moved a tourney to the same date of Rockford's previously scheduled tourney. Maybe an honest mistake!
It has come to my attention that one of the Discontinuum administrators has been using his pull with the PDGA for personal gain. He tried his best to deny sanctioning to Rockford because it coincided with the Joliet tourney. I have been playing this game for over 20 years and I have enjoyed promoting the sport to anyone and everyone who may be interested in playing the greatest game on earth. I spent a decade as the Tournament Director in Rockford and I have NEVER tried to "cut the throat" of another club or a fellow player. I t goes against our basic principle, promoting the sport.
This has had a disastrous effect on some players who have been faithful followers of your club and it's tournaments. As a rule, disc golfers do not like politics. Keep this up and your "membership drive" may go the wrong direction. I have already heard talk of a boycott by people in your area. This is just a piece of advice from an old TD that has been around the block a couple of times.
Are you PHUCKING kidding me? What event are you talking about that DISContinuum scheduled? I hate to be the one to break it to you but no one ever knows what events are scheduled in Rockford.
I assume you are talking about me with that PDGA topic. Personal gain? What gain is that? It's my job to schedule PDGA events with no conflicts. Trust me. I did not try my best to deny sanctioning. I could have done that with no questions asked from the PDGA. Had I known some ass was going to post a bunch of bullshit here I would have taken care of that. Thank Dana Vichich, the tournament director of the Joliet Pro/Am Championships for allowing the sanctioning of the Rockford Doubles this weekend. I put it in his hands. A Pro/Am B-Tier that had been scheduled has priority. Sorry if I was doing my job. It's unfortunate people had choose between 2 events this weeked. Joliet was one of the few 2 day events in Illinois and $1300 added cash. Last, there is nothing like waiting until several weeks before inquiring about sanctioning.
There is more discussion here.
http://foxvalleymetrodiscgolfclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=1335.msg10773#msg10773
Last, i'm really tired of dealing with the Rockford issue. There seems to be some gay beef every year with Rockford. Do you guys have a hard on for us? I think it's time I change my philospy to start boycotting Rockford. Take a look at the Grabm Classic. http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9304#Open
I think that # can be cut in half next year by getting the Chicagoland Area golfers to attend a sanctioned doubles event the same weekend as Rockford's Sanctioned events. That sounds tasty!
Brett Comincioli
#19325
PDGA IL State Coordinator
DISContinuum DGC President
I think as state coordinator you should just put your foot down and say, "No more sanctioned tournaments scheduled on the same date until this state has a lot more sanctioned tournaments in a year than 26." There's no reason why a C-tier should be stepping on a B-tier, or Channahon on the same weekend as an A-tier, when you have 26 full weekends open and several more half weekend dates available in the year. No A or B-tier TD should be asked to give up their weekend with a schedule as wide open as Illinois'. If you have to sanction to run tournaments at your course, then you should participate in the process like a responsible adult instead of sending anonymous minions to stir up trouble after the fact.
Bear,
I'm not sure if I have met you personally before or not, but first, thanks for running events. Second, we seriously need to clarify some information that has been incorrectly told to you. Please read this post entirely as it explains everything. I don't have an older version of the Illinois tour schedule handy, but at the minimum back in July the tour calendar had a Joliet event scheduled this weekend. This document can be found at this post:
http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=4368.0 (http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=4368.0)
Brett, as the state coordinator, sent out emails starting in November or December 2008 to all TD's that ran a sanctioned event in 2008. The email started asking for dates that would be reserved for 2009 tournaments. As a result of these emails, two events were scheduled - one on the weekend of October 17th/18th, and the other on October 24th/25th. It was probably close to the end of January or February that both of these events had been scheduled and weekends reserved on the PDGA schedule. I had the event for the 17th-18th at a TBD course, and Jason Rose was originally scheduled to be the TD for the 24th/25th in Joliet
As the year progressed, it became apparent that I was not going to be able to do what I had hoped for the 17th/18th and run an event at a 18-hole temp course. At the same time, it was apparent that Jason was not going to be available to TD the event in Joliet. After sending out a couple emails and communicating with a couple people, I decided to drop my event on the 17th and assume TD responsibilities along with Dana V. as head TD for the Joliet tournament. I did NOT move my event from the 17th to the 24th. That is an COMPLETE misunderstanding based on one sentence that I said in Sterling on the 17th. Yes, I helped run a PDGA event on a different weekend than I originally planned, but the event had been scheduled for months at that point.
In no way were we trying to hinder your event. For most of us, I don't think we even found out about the event in Rockford until maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago? Because of the close proximity of events, I think it's awesome that Brett contacts the TD that scheduled the event first to make sure it's ok to let someone else run another event nearby. I was told that you have run this event on the same weekend for the past ??? years - which is fine and dandy. However, it had not been sanctioned before that. It doesn't matter if that's the same weekend, when it's not on the PDGA schedule, another PDGA event is likely going to be scheduled on the same weekend. Last year I'm presuming that if you have run the same event on the same weekend, then the Joliet Pro Championship was a sanctioned event that also ran on the same weekend as yours.
When the scheduling starts to happen for 2010, I highly recommend you put in a request right away for that weekend. That's absolutely fine. You'll get that weekend, and Brett will tell people to pick a different weekend so that everybody from this area will attend your event and not have to pick and choose. There was an Illinois tournament or large tournament in nearby towns (Kenosha, WI & Lemon Lake, IN for example) on almost every weekend from Mid-April through the end of October.
In order to keep track of all of these tournaments - the PDGA has state coordinators. They do not check the schedule for you on B and C-Tiers. That's why on the sanctioning agreement it asks if you checked the date with the state coordinator. That person checks the tour schedule to make sure it's an ok weekend to run the event. Brett ran and was elected to that position. He's done a fantastic job at it so far. I would appreciate it greatly if you would respect the amount of work that he puts in to make sure that Illinois has an organized, excellent tournament schedule each and every year.
Thanks,
Scott
a fellow TD.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on October 25, 2009, 08:43:59 PM
I think as state coordinator you should just put your foot down and say, "No more sanctioned tournaments scheduled on the same date until this state has a lot more sanctioned tournaments in a year than 26." There's no reason why a C-tier should be stepping on a B-tier, or Channahon on the same weekend as an A-tier, when you have 26 full weekends open and several more half weekend dates available in the year. No A or B-tier TD should be asked to give up their weekend with a schedule as wide open as Illinois'. If you have to sanction to run tournaments at your course, then you should participate in the process like a responsible adult instead of sending anonymous minions to stir up trouble after the fact.
Bruce - Channahon in September was scheduled on that weekend because that was the only weekend in September and October where the course was available on back to back days and not in use for Cross Country. We used Channahon today only because it was unavailable yesterday. Hamilton's date was scheduled by the PDGA because it was an A-Tier. There wasn't a whole lot of choice. However, Hamilton to Channahon is 232 miles apart. Rockford to Joliet is only 103 miles apart. That's a huge difference, and that's another factor that applied to the decision. If Channahon was available on a different weekend than what Hamilton was on, believe me, I definitely would have gone with a different weekend.
Also - the typical tournament weather months (April - October) have only 31 total weekends. Considering there were 23 of those 25 events in that range of months, it's not exactly that easy to schedule everything! That doesn't even include the stuff that is just over the border (GMO, Homie, Prairie Open, RCR, etc)
Brett, Scott, Bruce and everyone else....I know Bear may be coming off a bit harsh and Bret's reactions are understandably harsh as well. I am new fairly new to the area but have heard of tension between to the two clubs. I know there was a bit of a misunderstanding that occured at the A tier last year. I have seen this whole topic unfold for the past 3 weeks. I truly believe that this was all caused by some bad communication. Here is a few reasons why I think things went wrong.
Grabm has been holding this tournament for years and it has always been the weekend before Halloween. Problem was that this month had technically 5 weekends. So Dana and Scott assumed that the Rockford dubs would be the 31st leaving the 4th weekend open. Grabm was told that the Joliet tournament couldn't move to the 3rd weekend because of the Sterling Dubs. Alot of Grabm members rarely use the the forum of either clubs and really didn't post about this tournamnet. I believe Grabm just assumed this weekend was set aside and due to the fact they didn't seek sanctioning until 3-4 weeks (they mat have sought it sooner just not sure) before this may have thrown things off.
I would hate to see two clubs boycotting each other. I know some things in the past have occurred and this could be the final straw. Bear and Brett both have sacrificed alot running and organizing tournaments and would hate to lose either of them from supporting this sport. I see no problem in holding multiple sanctioned tournaments as long as we set a standard. I do like the 100 mile rule personally. This state is to big not to. Before jumping the gun I hope you two can maybe talk personally or at least email each other. Rockfords new layout is amazing and alot of IL could lose out by boycotting these courses because of some miss communication
Quote from: JaSoN G. on October 26, 2009, 04:38:09 AM
Brett, Scott, Bruce and everyone else....I know Bear may be coming off a bit harsh and Bret's reactions are understandably harsh as well. I am new fairly new to the area but have heard of tension between to the two clubs. I know there was a bit of a misunderstanding that occured at the A tier last year. I have seen this whole topic unfold for the past 3 weeks. I truly believe that this was all caused by some bad communication. Here is a few reasons why I think things went wrong.
Grabm has been holding this tournament for years and it has always been the weekend before Halloween. Problem was that this month had technically 5 weekends. So Discontinuum assumed that the Rockford dubs would be the 31st leaving the 4th weekend open. Grabm was told that the Joliet tournament couldn't move to the 3rd weekend because of the Sterling Dubs. Alot of Grabm members rarely use the the forum of either clubs and really didn't post about this tournamnet. I believe Grabm just assumed this weekend was set aside and due to the fact they didn't seek sanctioning until 3-4 weeks (they mat have sought it sooner just not sure) before this may have thrown things off.
I would hate to see two clubs boycotting each other. I know some things in the past have occurred and this could be the final straw. Bear and Brett both have sacrificed alot running and organizing tournaments and would hate to lose either of them from supporting this sport. I see no problem in holding multiple sanctioned tournaments as long as we set a standard. I do like the 100 mile rule personally. This state is to big not to. Before jumping the gun I hope you two can maybe talk personally or at least email each other. Rockfords new layout is amazing and alot of IL could lose out by boycotting these courses because of some miss communication
I am definitely frustrated for several reasons.
#1. Bruce, Jon, & I did not schedule an IOS event in 2009 to avoid any situations and allow Rockford the chance to develop their own PDGA events. That worked really good. Here I am again dealing with some gayness from Rockford.
#2. I did everything on my end as a state coordinator and took the steps to schedule a PDGA event. Rockford was able to schedule so what is the beef? I was only asked about the October 24th date. The first e-mail I received about the Rockford Doubles being sanctioned was on 9-30. The Joliet sanctioned event has been booked since last January. The weekends of 10-16/10-17 and 10-31/1-1 were wide open for a sanctioned event. No one asked. Had they asked they would have been immediately approved. I had no idea and i'd guess the majority of the disc golfers in Illinois had no idea Rockford hosted an annual doubles event the same weekend in October.
#3. I have no idea what the issue is with DISContinuum in this case. Discontinuum had nothing to do with any of this. Discontinuum assumed nothing. Discontinuum was not involved in any way. Discontinuum has not had an event since the club invite on September 9th. So how was Discontinuum involved :huh:?
#4. I wanted to make it very clear to Bearmax this isn't politics. I'm not going to sit back and put on a fake smile. It would be nice if BearMax would get his information correct when posting. I am sick of dealing with this petty BS with Rockford.
wow from one forum to the next. i can see both views here, since i was at the brunt of questions on the other forum. we still had about 62 players on saturday really the 2 tournys came out great. the big issues i thought were over untill i read this.
i think this all unfolded from Brett making the comment about letting dana ALLOW Rockford sanctioning(would have been better left unsaid). to most, that comment and others made were seen as a personal gain and playing favorites by Brett, by wanting more people at the event he was trying to cash out in.
SC is a tough job to coordinate events and make all happy. look on pdga sight at the 4 events ran in kentucky this past weekend, all about the same distance as joliet and rockford seems no problems there, they were all sanctioned by a SC.
The issue here is calling another club gay and say boycott them is very unprofessional and should not be said by a SC, cause that's just trying to decrease attendance at a DISC GOLF event. to try and get people to boycott something when you are suppose to be one of the ones as SC to help this sport grow, you are not doing your job. to tell the truth your own words on the other forum drove some players from the joliet event to ours.
bear may come across as harsh, but when folks from your area say the same things as what he reads i see his point.
wow bruce a coward wow how lame and childish
It is accepted PDGA practice that the TD with the existing sanctioning is asked if they will allow the other event to take place. It has happened to me several times as TD of the IOS that either Brett or the PDGA office has called me to ask me to allow another event within our zone of exculsion. Sometimes it has been the other TD himself to contact me.
In this case Joliet was first in with their SC approved date so it was up to the Joliet TD to allow the tournament sanctioning or not.
I'm guessing a few emails or phone calls could have sorted this out better than attracting dumb from all angles.
I think the comment Brett said is fair. In all actuality Dana did ask for sanctioning way before Grabm. Their was a conflict of interest due to the proximity of the courses. They made the right decision due to the fact that Rockford was doing an annual tournament and needed sanctiong for insurance reasons.
Duain and Bear....I know you may be upset with me but I see no personal gain. Brett had no gaurantee he would win, so how would that be for personal gain? Both parties have crossed a line of insulting each club. When people get pissed it is very easy to do so.
I was on the verge of going to joliet but couldn't commit to the 2 days. I went up to Rockfor instead (glad I did got the win...;). I actually liked the option. I believe both tournamnets had a decent turn out, so now its just water under the bridge.
Quote from: duain on October 26, 2009, 07:39:48 AM
wow from one forum to the next. i can see both views here, since i was at the brunt of questions on the other forum. we still had about 62 players on saturday really the 2 tournys came out great. the big issues i thought were over untill i read this.
i think this all unfolded from Brett making the comment about letting dana ALLOW Rockford sanctioning(would have been better left unsaid). to most, that comment and others made were seen as a personal gain and playing favorites by Brett, by wanting more people at the event he was trying to cash out in.
SC is a tough job to coordinate events and make all happy. look on pdga sight at the 4 events ran in kentucky this past weekend, all about the same distance as joliet and rockford seems no problems there, they were all sanctioned by a SC.
The issue here is calling another club gay and say boycott them is very unprofessional and should not be said by a SC, cause that's just trying to decrease attendance at a DISC GOLF event. to try and get people to boycott something when you are suppose to be one of the ones as SC to help this sport grow, you are not doing your job. to tell the truth your own words on the other forum drove some players from the joliet event to ours.
bear may come across as harsh, but when folks from your area say the same things as what he reads i see his point.
wow bruce a coward wow how lame and childish
Duain,
Are you kidding me?
This comment started all of this.
"Just an FYI. I put the decision in Dana's hands to allow the doubles to be sanctioned or not. He ok'd the doubles so I approved it. If he said no I would not have approved the date. "
Rockford should be very appreciative that Dana approved the sanctioning of the event. That is why I posted. Like Jon said, this is a standard practice among the PDGA Office, State Coordinators, and TD's when it comes to scheduling. This isn't favoritism. This is about a priority system. It's too bad there were 130 golfers split between 2 events this weekend when there could have been 130 golfers at both each on separate weekends.
Personal gain. Are you serious? I wish I were 1 of 2 people playing for that $1300 added cash. Just not Al Hermosillo, Matt Coyne, or Rob Strasser. Unreal!
As for being unprofessional i'd agree. At this I am tired of Rockford. I thought things were over but I guess not.
Quote from: JaSoN G. on October 26, 2009, 08:09:02 AM
I think the comment Brett said is fair. In all actuality Discontinuum did ask for sanctioning way before Grabm. Their was a conflict of interest due to the proximity of the courses. They made the right decision due to the fact that Rockford was doing an annual tournament and needed sanctiong for insurance reasons.
Jason & all.
I'm not sure where DISContinuum is involved with any of this. That is what really set me off. DIScontinuum has nothing to do with this period! Discontinuum has not had an event since 9-7. Discontinuum had nothing to do with Joliet this past weekend. I have no idea why Discontinuum keeps coming up.
My bad..... Changed it.
Brett and Scott I have thrown a few of your tournaments and have walked away at the end of the day happy thinking wow that was a great! I appreciate everyone's effort be it the TD's or volunteers who help put these things together. I played Rockford because of the time of year I wish Joliet Championships were played in the late summer or something. I am sure there is a reason and am not complaining. It just bums me out when I see all this complaining and name calling. We as Disc Golfers are a minority. Only the people who play get it. All my other friends tease me about "Throwing pie tins in the quad." Its always a cool feeling to see people come together for any type of disc golf event. If there is a beef about scheduling or what ever can't it be approached in a constructive manner so there isn't this fighting and division? P.s. Calling someone a coward online is being a coward in my book. Signed Bald Brian Kidder #34997
If you hadn't noticed the original post has been edited and the poster has identified himself. I know when I look at new messages the edited posts do not always show up as new.
Quote from: bearmax on October 25, 2009, 06:03:21 PM
My posting yesterday was not meant to start trouble but to avoid complications in the future. I would never boycott your club. Do not shoot the messenger or try to imply that anyone else is responsible for my words or actions. I was just passing along information that I heard from other people that may be detrimental to both organizations. The rumor of a boycott was enough to concern me. Whatever is going on with people of more authority than myself needs to be addressed, that was my message.
I have been involved with promoting the sport for a long time and my posting was meant to be informational. I will apologize for be too direct or harsh to anyone in particular but that is how I get my point across. People will not respond to those who come across being soft or indirect. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I hide behind nothing.
I would like for all organizations across the area to correspond and work together. Jason hit the nail on the head. There have been an honest mistake in scheduling. I stated this in my original posting. I stayed in constant communication with fellow TDs throughout the area during my tenure in the 1990's. Things have changed and now have become competitive between clubs. The competition should stay on the course.
I have always had a good relationship with fellow golfers. I don't want my posting to be a problem. I should have kept some information which I passed on to myself. I should not have assumed that any particular party or parties are responsible. I will again apologize for that. If Discontinuum Administration wishes me to never post again, I will honor that request. Some acquired information is best kept to myself.
Barry Maxwell , GRABM member.
Barry - thanks for coming back to the thread and checking out the responses. I'm not the admin, but I think it's safe to say that in no way should you feel like you can't come back to these boards and join the discussions and post. I think it would be great to be able to work with the GRABM guys instead of having some sort of cold war between clubs. A lot of things have been said (outside this thread especially) - lots has had some truth to it, and lots has had a lot of inaccuracies and misconceptions.
I'd love to hear from you more often - unfortunately until this year I don't remember hearing about the weekend before Halloween doubles at Rockford. I've only been a TD for 3 years now, but I'd be happy to be in communication about schedules. I'm sure others would be willing as well. I think it would also be awesome to get a couple TD's together and a bunch of club members from BOTH clubs to put on some HUGE, fantastic events! Let's give not only the people in Illinois but all of the surrounding states some excellent reasons to stop in Illinois and play some of our courses instead of driving right on by.
Scott
If anybody thinks Brett's intentions as a State Coordinator or a TD are self serving and not in the best interest of Illinois disc golf, you could not possibly be more wrong about anything. If you believe anything I have to say, believe that.
Quote from: The Fiddler on October 26, 2009, 10:09:50 AM
Brett and Scott I have thrown a few of your tournaments and have walked away at the end of the day happy thinking wow that was a great! I appreciate everyone's effort be it the TD's or volunteers who help put these things together. I played Rockford because of the time of year I wish Joliet Championships were played in the late summer or something. I am sure there is a reason and am not complaining. It just bums me out when I see all this complaining and name calling. We as Disc Golfers are a minority. Only the people who play get it. All my other friends tease me about "Throwing pie tins in the quad." Its always a cool feeling to see people come together for any type of disc golf event. If there is a beef about scheduling or what ever can't it be approached in a constructive manner so there isn't this fighting and division? P.s. Calling someone a coward online is being a coward in my book. Signed Bald Brian Kidder #34997
Brian,
I appreciate you playing and the kind words. We spend a lot of hours doing something we love and believe in. If I got paid for the amount of time I put into disc golf i'd be making a pretty good living. The year is winding down and I have a short fuse right now. A lot ot times you hear the negatives a lot more than the positives. It realy irks me when people do not have the facts or understand what they are talking aboutt especially when it comes to PDGA scheduling.
I am glad you got out to play this weekend. Would you have played Joliet if the Rockford event was scheduled for this weekend?
Thanks!
Brett
can't we get along.
sounds like a challenge between the two clubs huh!
I think you deserve a raise Brett! Very thankless job for how important it is. Just imagine where this game would be today if there weren't several good people like Brett to volunteer their time and effort in such a huge capacity. Thanks Brett!
I say throw the politics away, bury it, and start throwing some plastic with smiles!
:)
2010 GRABM vs. Discontinuum Club Challenge? What better way to get to know each other and foster some good will than by a little friendly competition? Crystal Lake? Not a great course but geographically it is located well.
this is the quote that got it started:
"just an FYI. I put the decision in Dana's hands to allow the doubles to be sanctioned or not. He ok'd the doubles so I approved it. If he said no I would not have approved the date."
some took it as playing favorites.
Jason i have nothing to do with what Bear is doing so dont single me out. you know all i was mad about is how things were being blown out of proportion when all we were doing is trying to cut costs. what others read and say has nothing to do with me. im in the middle cause i advertised the tournament, then things were said and as far as i was concerned it was over. then this post came along and the gay slander and boycott thing came along, i said my piece done in the past.
i want to post this now to clear those issues and im done with this cause negativity solves nothing. we need to work together to make this sport grow.
Brett, I don't know how to blue box the previous message thingy, but to answer your question because of other obligations I just couldn't do both days last weekend. I would rather have thrown Joliet Championships. I live in Chicago and love the courses in J-town, I think weather played more of a factor than having a double booking for that weekend (reguarding low am turn out). Just curious how come so late in the season?
Quote from: duain on October 26, 2009, 03:23:37 PM
then this post came along and the gay slander
I apologize if anyone was offended by the word gay. I have no problem with gay people. I absolutely love lesbians ;D
Gay used to mean happy then it turned to homosexual. The word is changing again and used in a very different way in my environment. For example. Student "What are we doing today Coach C?" Coach C. "We are playing badminton." Student. "That is gay!".
So for me. This thread is gay! It's stupid. It sucks. It's a waste of my time.
Brian - it was held this past weekend mainly because it's the same weekend it was held last year (only it was Pros only). I think it was generally agreed that a similar event like this will be in a much warmer month next year :)
i think the challenge would b great idea
Just keep doing what your doing guys and I'll see you around.
Why did GRABM wait so long to try and sanction the event? I know the only reason it was sanctioned was to get the insurance, did the club not know this months in advance?
For anyone to be bitching about the job Brett is doing is just outlandish. I hope threads and accusations like this don't run Brett off from being state coordinator (or a TD).
Over the past 24 hours i've had a ton of postive support delivered via private message, e-mail, and calls. I appreciate all the positive and it really has helped me get thru this situation. I would not usually respond the way I did but that kind of post really set me off.
I have learned a couple of things from this. There are people who have no clue how PDGA Scheduling in Illinois works. I'll leave my Kentucky comments & response to Duain out of this because it would offend pretty much everyone within the border of that state. There is a set practice that has been used the past 4 years for all Illinois TD's to schedule a PDGA Event. It is not identical to Wisconsin but I have watched and learned from Terry Miller the WI State Coordinator. It is a fair system and is set up to benefit BOTH the TD/Clubs and the players of Illinois. The good state coordinators and states are doing their jobs by avoiding conflicts when they can be avoided.
It amazes me that the comment below in response to sanctioning on the Fox Valley Board is taken and passed along as a negative.
"just an FYI. I put the decision in Dana's hands to allow the doubles to be sanctioned or not. He ok'd the doubles so I approved it. If he said no I would not have approved the date."
It also amazes me that i've been accused of personal gain thru this. Have disc golfers figured out there is no personal financial gain in this sport? There is a reason the # of pros stays the same over the years while the amateur ranks continue to stay the same or grow. There is a reason the TD circuit is a revolving door. It's this very same BS that pushes many good Tournament Directors out of the game.
I read this post yesterday. It's not the same situation but it's similar to what is going on in the disc golf world. Read post #109 by member 7584.
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=1399968#post1399968
Quote from: CEValkyrie on October 27, 2009, 08:29:52 AM
I read this post yesterday. It's not the same situation but it's similar to what is going on in the disc golf world. Read post #109 by member 7584.
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?p=1399968#post1399968
I can completely feel for what that guy was talking about in his post. My dad died during my first tournament - the first Irish You the Best of Luck @ Elk Grove Village. Thankfully half the merch was mine and half the merch was Eric's - the other TD. He and Alicia stayed behind while my wife and I went to hospital to see his lifeless body. It sure does put the tournament and all the petty tournament squabble in perspective. I can't believe that I went back to the tournament, but I had to pick up my merch and all. There was a foot of snow on the ground, and after getting back there it was all I could do to just walk through the snow and not want to fall flat on my face.
To this day I still remember the one squabble that someone had (and I won't name the name, but I've gotten to know this person better since then and they are cool with me). The complaint was asking how in the world we could have no max weight Roc's in stock. They made a HUGE deal about it, and I felt like garbage for not stocking the right stuff. We had plenty of DX and Pro Roc, but no max weight. That stuck with me (and still has), so they'll be happy to know that nowadays about all I order is max weight Roc's, but yeah - talk about not worth my time on that particular day. My Dad loved the game even though he sucked at it. He just loved getting out there with his family. If he had not died, I wouldn't have been able to use the van for trucking all of this stuff around, my inventory wouldn't be where it is now, and I'd probably still be living in an apartment. Life certainly does change. I've tried to take his death and use it as motivation to continue on with the tournaments, although every tournament I do I stop and think about just how much fun he would have had helping me run these things. He had the same helper's mentality as Adrian Sr (whose help I appreciate immensely).
Thanks for finding and sharing that post Brett, it brought up some fond, although bittersweet, memories for me.
My last thoughts on this topic and i'm done.
Feel free to speak with Mike LaScola and Jeremy Rockwell. Both contacted me about running sanctioned events in Rockford this year. I would love to get some feedback from them about the experience they had communicating with me. I have done my best to help both with any questions or concerns they had about sanctioned events.
I played both singles events in Rockford this year. We had a car load of 4 play both events. I would have played the doubles event if it was not the same weekend of Joliet. My goal was to play 20+ events this year but missed Hamilton due to sickness and came up 1 short. I have been supportive to Rockford events this year.