IOS #6 @ West Park, Joliet, IL--8/14, 2010
Pro C-Tier / Am B-Tier
2 Rounds of 25 Holes
SINGLE DAY ONLY!
Due to the Indiana States on Sunday within 50 miles of West Park - we are going to run all divisions on a SINGLE DAY. That means we max at 125 players, no exceptions! 1st round shorts, 2nd round longs.
FREE TO PRE-REGISTER
We're going to try something slightly different for the pre-registration this time. To get in for this tournament, you don't have to pay ahead of time! You can email me at scott@paperorplasticsports.com - or go through paperorplasticsports.com to fill out the registration form (will be available soon). You just need to give me your name, PDGA #, and what division you will play. That will get you on the list.
At the tournament: Entry fee will be $30 for AM's, $50 for Pro's, $20 for Juniors. No $5 walk-up fee! Trophy only will be available for $20, 1/2 in Pro's for $25.
BONUS: AM's that want to play both weekends, August 14th and August 21st, just pay $50, and you get to play both tournaments - that's $10 off! You still get the same player pack, same amount added to payouts, all that great stuff! This is just added incentive to come on out and play these IOS events. Sorry about all the changes we've had to make! This discount will not be available for Trophy Only or for Pro's, sorry!
be sure to check out what is going on - this event will now be single day only on Saturday!
heck yes.
Scott, I know it says we can just email you, but I am sending the check on Friday to pay for #6 and #7. Will I be 1 of the 125 for the #6 on the 14th? want to make sure I get in.
yes, you can certainly send in the money ahead of time, but you don't have to if you don't want to either. But yes, in either way you will still be 1 of the 125.
Okay thanks. I plan on sending the check, for both events on Friday the 30th. Thanks for the quick response.
check is in the mail.
West Park and Lemon Lake on back 2 back days. Gotta love it!
Pre-Register Here:
http://www.paperorplasticsports.com/2010/2010ios6.html (http://www.paperorplasticsports.com/2010/2010ios6.html)
You do not need to pay up front for your registration. You can sign up for IOS #7 with the same registration as well. Don't forget that AM's save $10 if they play both IOS 6 and IOS 7! (does not apply to trophy only)
got any assasins ? , i cant play but i will travel if you do
I'm not sure what weights I have - but I know I have some sitting out in my garage. I sold a bunch at Sinnissippi, so I'll grab the stack that is sitting to make sure I have stock.
sweet , kev C or I will be shopping
for them
thanks
Scott, I cant pay with a credit card?
Scott,
Will Paper Or Plastic Sports be merching both IOS #6 an IOS #7?
Paper or Plastic sports provides the merchandise for all IOS events this year.
Quote from: Grayson Dewey on August 10, 2010, 09:54:41 PM
Scott, I cant pay with a credit card?
Grayson - since I'm not 100% sure that I'm going to have power at the course, go ahead and sign up as a "sponsorship" for the amount that you need to pay. Just pick $30 for AM or $50 for Pro. Make sure to note in the comments that it's for your registration. The sponsor stuff is just above where you pre-register at, and that all uses the Google Checkout stuff.
-Scott
Once I get pre-registrations updated we'll be at 59 currently signed up for this Saturday, just about half-way full! Don't get locked out - make sure you fill out the simple registration (pay nothing up front) online to save a spot. That will guarantee you a spot as long as you check in and pay by 8:45 AM. We fill at 125 players. Since this is a single day with all divisions there is a large chance of it filling!
Scott,
I just paid for the registration at Paper or Plastic Sports under the sponsorship section. I couldnt find a spot for comments. I paid $50 for open and my pdga # is 36823.
confirmed, received the payment Grayson, thanks!
Pre-registration is closed. Currently at 77 players signed up. 48 spots available, that's it.
Stay Hydrated tomorrow!
Pre-reg list:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10847 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10847)
headed out the door right now. stay away rain!
I think this was especially awesome that you guys decided to change the format of this event. Rather than having it the 2 days like noted earlier, you put everyone on one day instead. Did I mention that I'm really glad that I changed my event date to be nice to the "IOS Series" and then even changed my format of the new date to be even nicer?
Awesome.
Did you notice when I posted that I had to change it because Indiana States was on Sunday and was too close to Joliet so that Karolyn at the PDGA wouldn't let me run both Saturday and Sunday? She didn't care how you were running your event.
Fantastic.
Results from the tournament are posted here:
http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10847&year=2010&include_ratings=1 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10847&year=2010&include_ratings=1)
Thanks to Adrian, the Brakels, and the Jacksons for their help pulling this tournament together!
See everyone next week - EVERYBODY report to Jericho Lake in the morning!!!
thanks everyone for another great, smoothly run IOS. Glad to see one down south so I could easily get out and play. Had a great time. Good luck with getting the store up and running Scott. I can't wait to come check it out.
Quote from: stpitner on August 15, 2010, 06:48:02 AM
Did you notice when I posted that I had to change it because Indiana States was on Sunday and was too close to Joliet so that Karolyn at the PDGA wouldn't let me run both Saturday and Sunday? She didn't care how you were running your event.
Fantastic.
I also think this is some important information to add. Scott got his dates in for the beginning of the year very early. In May he ran IOS #1 as a Pro/Am B-Tier at Channahon not too far from West Park. Lemon Lake hosted a C-Tier event that weekend. The role is reversed and the PDGA puts their foot down. This is why Scott did what he did.
What do people think about PDGA having a rookie division or rookie status. If you have no rating or less than one year of experience, or are non PDGA you can play Advanced, Open or Rookie. I've spent four years establishing my 859 rating, I put two good rounds together for me that averaged a 891 rating and I finish tied for 8th in my division. 6 of the 7 who finished ahead of me had no rating, less than one year, or were non pdga. The top two, who both had no rating at all, shot two plus 900 rounds and will have to be playing intermediate come the end of the month. Granted this would eliminate half my division, but it would be nice to get beat by similar competition and not guys who will quickly be moving up.
Just my little gripe.
I looked over the data points for this tournament. Typically one needs to average about 20 rating points over the cap to win an Am division. The winner in MA3 averaged 924, the winner in MA4 averaged 872. Sounds about right... neither I would consider baggers by that measurement alone. None of the non-members (or new members) were over the ratings limits in the elf database (the IOS team keeps track of non-member players to prevent bagging), thus none were known to be in the incorrect division prior to playing.
You tied for last cash since pretty much everyone in your division was shooting better than their rating. I would agree its frustrating to be beat by those that are quickly moving up. There's not much to do except let them move quickly. When the IOS offered MA4 before it was officially part of the PDGA scheme, it was a PDGA members only division. All others had to play MA3 (or higher). There may be some benefit to that (but unfortunately, you wouldn't be a beneficiary).
There's a fine line between providing fair competition and not completely demoralizing players who come out for their first tournament.
btw (having floated around either side of the 850 line for a while, I feel your pain).
When I was able to play "competitively" I was a Rec player and thought about that same thing. The one huge argument against protecting amateur divisions from non-rated players is that it promotes exclusivity rather than inclusiveness. I think most PDGA players played several tournaments before joining and they joined in part because they played with PDGA members that told them about ratings and other benefits. In addition you would wind up with a division, the Rookie division in your proposal, that would turn into the wild west of disc golf. Many of those guys would be first time tournament players and would be unfamiliar with all of the rules, procedures and etiquette of tournament play. This would further divide the members from the non-members. Where do the new PDGA members come from? The non-members.
TD Report has been submitted for the tournament (deadline was tomorrow), so the ratings will be up with the August 31st ratings update!
Kev
There really is no solution. I have seen this for years. If anything, IOS patrols this better than most with the so-called Elf ratings. The non rated player who plays 925 will not be in MA4 the next event. I have watched players pass by for a long time. The weird thing about MA4 is that there is no player who is truly at the top of the division. If you are an 890 player you will likely cash in most MA3 events. An 840 player is not guaranteed cashing in MA4 because of the volume of new players or soon to be better players who still have a rating under 850 but can throw 350+ feet yet still cannot putt or drive with accuracy. They will have a sub 800 round and a >900 round on the same day.
Take heart. The glass is more than half empty. After spending some time just under 850 where you will seem to do well but never win some tournaments and languish in others you will elevate your game a touch so you can be assured of coming in the bottom of the heap in MA3. After all, Murphy wasn't a lawmaker. He was a prophet.
At some point everyone tops out and is playing the best game they will ever play. At that point every player has to figure out if they can continue to play for the love of the game or do they go where ever disc golfers go that we never see again. For those of us whose game topped out in the 800's, we have to make that decision sooner rather than later. I certainly compared my scores to other players but while I was playing, I was always playing against the course and the elements. I played because it is fun to make frisbees fly and to hear the ching at the end of a good hole.
Find the fun and then winning or losing becomes secondary.
well put Jon.
I play for the love of it and for the competition. I know who the good Advanced players are, and try to compete with them. Not saying I have to win to be satisfied. I can be satisfied just by hanging in the top half. Being 38, it's hard to compete each and every week with these young kids in my division. But my rating wont let me play Intermediate(I wouldn't anyway) so I have to go out each tournament, pick 1 player(of the better 5 at the event) and try to beat or compete with him. Doing good enough to win, or get a trophy is just a bonus. I have over 100 brand new discs, so something must be working to my advantage.
Jon mentioned some players max out at certain ratings... I am the perfect example. I cant get over 955, but I usually wont drop below 945, so I'm stuck for 1 more year, before I can jump up to Advanced Masters or Open Masters. Then it's game on every week. ;D
Quote from: Chainmeister on August 16, 2010, 11:10:22 AM
If anything, IOS patrols this better than most with the so-called Elf ratings.
All that I wanted to add is that, yes, we do not employ actual elves.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 16, 2010, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: Chainmeister on August 16, 2010, 11:10:22 AM
If anything, IOS patrols this better than most with the so-called Elf ratings.
All that I wanted to add is that, yes, we do not employ actual elves.
But we aren't anti-elf! Just no actual elves have applied to work on ratings!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on August 16, 2010, 08:30:12 PM
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 16, 2010, 07:33:26 PM
Quote from: Chainmeister on August 16, 2010, 11:10:22 AM
If anything, IOS patrols this better than most with the so-called Elf ratings.
All that I wanted to add is that, yes, we do not employ actual elves.
But we aren't anti-elf! Just no actual elves have applied to work on ratings!
Unless Mr. X has carpal tunnel syndrome no actual elves have been harmed in the production of the Elf Ratings.
edited in order to keep the head elf's name a secret. We don't want anyone to take retaliation on our elves!