As a Bears fan I'll be the first to say we lost the game today against the Lions. I'm not sure how the NFL can have a rule that says that wasn't a TD. Thats embarrassing for the league. I'm not sure why common sense can't rule in some of these scenarios? How about that golfer at the PGA championship who got a 2 stroke penalty that knocked him out of a sudden death playoff because they said he grounded his club in a bunker that was more like a patch of dirt? Too many rules, not enough common sense...
Grounding the club in the bunker is a rule that every golfer knows. If the boundaries of the bunker were not clear, that would be a different situatuion, but a pro golfer should ask. Officials are always present in pro golf.
Possession, both feet down, you fall down, still have possession and then flip the ball aside and it is incomplete? Is this a new rule? Not the way you want to win the game.
It's not a new rule, I remember it happened a few times last year. This is a strange one, but the NFL does not consider a receiver to establish official "possession" until he stops moving while making a catch in the end zone.
Basically, you can run around in the end zone with the ball, but if you eventually end up on the ground then you need to make sure you hold on to the ball until you reach the lockeroom after the game.
As far as the bunker rule goes, I agree, every golfer is certainly aware you can not ground your club in the bunker. The issue was identifying the dirt patch as a bunker. It ended up being the right call technically, but I wish common sense could have prevailed in that case since there was obviously no advantage to the player.
The Lions should take solice in the fact that neither of our seasons are headed anywhere based on what I saw this afternoon. The Bears did outplay the Lions by a wide margin if it weren't for turnovers, but I'm not sure I saw anything that makes me think we can win 9 games and make the playoffs this year.
i gotta be honest, im happy with the outcome of the game. not only did we win (altho total BS) it clearly pointed out the bears #1 problem; Lovie Smith. He is a digustingly terrible decision maker. He almost lost us that game with those poor decisions. i am praying that the fire him. ever since that 1st season with grossman (when he got injured right away and Orton went 8-2). he took a winning QB out of the game and put in that turd grossman who lost all the remaining games. that was so dumb. ill be burning my effigy of Lovie and Angelo by the end of the season.
hopefully Tice can do something with our O-line. Cutler isn't getting anywhere near the protection he needs to light this offense up. imo... all of our offensive problems stem from Kruetz (#57) and Garza (#63). they are way past their prime and i know that alot of the guys on the team don't like kruetz. i really hope we can have a 50/50 season. i hate to say it but i think the packers are going to take the central division as long as the viqueens keep playing the old man.
This is the one thing I have not understood about football for about 40 years:
The Bears defense was basically solid all game long. The Lions' offense basically sucked all game long. Then in the last two minutes suddenly the Lions are unstoppable.
If the Lions changed their offense, why not run that offense all the time? If the Bears changed their defense, why would you change from something that was stifling the Lions offense to something totally sieve-like?
This is not a Lions/Bears/today question. I've seen this throughout the NFL for 40 years.
Bruce,
Yes, the prevent NFL defense is classic. I actually think conventional NFL offense has moved alot closer to what you see in the final 2 minutes of the game, but the defensive portion is inexcusable.
Also, you should mention the squibb kick. This is another great end-of-game tactic designed to preserve a lead, but more times than not puts the lead at risk. I imagine the thinking goes like this:
Lets see, we are ahead by 3 points with 43 seconds left. I've seen 1 kickoff get returned for a TD against us in the last 7 years....that means its due to happen on this next kickoff. Lets kick it super short to their blockers to prevent the kickoff return TD. Sure they will only have to go 25 more yards to get in FG range to tie, but thats okay cuz we'll have our prevent defense in......
I just watched the Indy/Denver game. I like Cutler and think he's a fantastically skilled QB, but after watching Orton throw for 446 (he's thrown for over 300 every game this year) for a Denver team that does not have much in the skill positions, I'm wishing we still had Orton and our 1st round draft picks from last year and this year. Those draft picks could have potentially done a lot to fill the holes that remain.
Looking forward to the Green Bay/Chicago Monday night matchup. Hoping for a close game.
Bears fans better get used to it. Lovie's going to go for it on fourth and inches on the goal line.
wow 20-17
awesome
thank you for those wonderful 17 (?) penalties GB especially the last 2
I cannot believe the Bears are 3-0. They could easily be 0-3.
If you are a Packer fan you've gotta be in disbelief. Talk about some absolute idiotic penalties throughout the game and down the stretch. 18 for 152 yards. Brutal.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 27, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
Bears fans better get used to it. Lovie's going to go for it on fourth and inches on the goal line.
Its sort of like me trying to throw over the creek on my second shot on hole 4 at Streamwood. I can do it over and over and 1 time out of 25 it may work. That's why I lay up and play for 4. I guess I am getting the field goal every time and Lovie is coming up empty. I think Lovie out coached McCarthy in every sense except that one. It was the second time this season he coached with his groin rather than his brain on fourth down.
I think from Lovie's perspective going for it was successful.
First, he called the play that Green Bay could not defend.
Second, his quarterback found the receiver.
Third, Hester ran back the Packer's next punt, so they still got the 7.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 28, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
Third, Hester ran back the Packer's next punt, so they still got the 7.
lmao
Well, it looks like I'll be at the Homie on Sunday with the #1 amateur woman in the world. And her mother. 50/50 chance I'll be playing. If I'm ambulatory tomorrow, 75/25 chance I'm playing.
ANYWAY, looking for other things I noticed that I have a bunch of orange ESP Zones and exactly two Chicago Bears masks. If anyone playing the Homie would like to pick up a Chicago Bears Zone, $12, but you gots to let me know tonight or tomorrow morning.
I know that I do not have any orange Buzzzes, so don't ask. Other stuff, maybe yes, maybe no. I'd go look for you.
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This may finally be the week when Brett Favre misses a game. What an unbelievable run. He looks like he has aged about 10 years since last season. Eventually time catches up with everyone.
knowing Brett, he will be out there Sunday. 2 fractures probably not enough to make him miss the Patriots.
Cmon Brett. you are 1 of the best QB's of All-time. we know this.
But PLEASE, as a true football fan, I'm asking you to please retire already. You look like a very old man hanging on to a childhood dream, and playing bad. You got your wish to get Moss there, but now he's gone( he did quit on that interferrence call, but wasn't the reason for Brett getting hurt) so please, take your fractured foot, your cut chin, and your legacy away from this game. Let the Vikings actually have a chance to win, cause with you, they don't. Quit being so damn selfish, and open your eyes to the fact your done. Your streak will stand for a long time.
Sorry, I know this is the Bears topic, but man I hate watching him anymore. Him getting hurt was not Randy's fault, it was the O Lines job to protect their QB!
He needs the attention and the drama Doug. He's a man with some sort of emotional issues. I think this offseason will be different in that nobody will be begging him to come back (also the work stoppage will probably make the decision easy).
Who would have guessed this Bears team would be 6-3 right now? Defense and Special Teams is reminiscent of the team that went to the Super Bowl a few years ago. Still a ways to go to make the playoffs though. 6-3 is only tied for the last wild card spot, so its going to take a strong finish to get in and we may have to win the division.
In Total Offense we're 4th from the bottom in the NFL, behind even Buffalo. Combine that with the fact that we have the 5th most turnovers in the NFL, and its hard to figure how we're 6-3, right? The Mike Martz experiment is a failure. I'd rather just play it conservative and stop turning the ball over so damn much. The offense did its best to keep the Vikings in that game Sunday. That thing should have been a total blowout.
Tough to handicap the NFC right now. I think if Atlanta can lock up home-field (where they are 5-0 this year), they are the favorites to get to the Super Bowl. Otherwise, I think Green Bay, the Giants, New Orleans, and Philly are all on about the same level. The playoffs should be interesting this year because you can probably say the same thing in the AFC with Baltimore, New England, the Jets, Pittsburgh, and Indy.
Not me.
The Bears remaining schedule looks promising. I think they can win 4 of 7 which should get them into the playoffs. I know it's a short turnaround on Thursday night but Miami's top 2 QB's left the game yesterday with injuries.
At Miami
Philly
At Detroit
New England
At Minnesota
Jets
At Green Bay
It seems like the Bears might be turning a corner on offense. The O-line seemed to do better all around on Sunday and Cutler's roll outs helped them out a lot also. If that helps them be just a mediocre offense rather than at the bottom of the barrel, then I think they have a shot at winning the division, then the playoffs are just one game at a time. I am reservedly hopeful!
I was definitely still very skeptical heading into the game yesterday, but after that performance I'm fully on board with this Bears team. We aren't the best team in the NFC, but I do think we are good enough to beat anybody in the NFC on any given day. Green Bay has a knack for finding a way to lose games they should easily win this year. The Giants are banged up and inconsistent. The Saints and Falcons are tough, especially in the domes, but neither have really been dominant. If we can win @DET, @MIN, vs JETS, to finish out 11-5, we could potentially end up with a 1st round bye and then a home field playoff game.
smoke another one dude!!
yea they looked great yesterday, I'll admit that. But Cutler will soon be back to the Cutler you all bellyached about last year.
Playoffs, yes. 1st round BYE? No way You wont beat the Jets, Patriots, or Green Bay.
Saints and Falcons will end up with the byes.
hell, now that I think about it, they could lose all 5. you already lost to the Lions once this year, but was handed a gift ;)
Quote from: pdga#7648 on November 29, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
smoke another one dude!!
yea they looked great yesterday, I'll admit that. But Cutler will soon be back to the Cutler you all bellyached about last year.
Playoffs, yes. 1st round BYE? No way You wont beat the Jets, Patriots, or Green Bay.
Saints and Falcons will end up with the byes.
Don't get mad at me for pointing this out Doug, but the Saints and Falcons can NOT both get byes. They are in the same division, hence 1 of them will be a Wild Card team.
So, the 2nd team with a bye in the NFC comes down the the Bears (8-3), Packers (7-4), Eagles (7-4), and Giants (7-4). Seeing as how we are leading the race and hold the tiebreaker over the Eagles now, I don't see it as that far-fetched. Nobody's schedule is easy the rest of the way.
11-5 has a real shot at winning the bye. The Bears have @DET and @MIN. Neither is an automatic victory, but lets assume they beat those teams as they will be the favorites. I don't think getting 1 win in Chicago over the Jets or the Pats is unrealistic. The Pats got stomped by Cleveland a couple weeks ago. The Jets have had more miracle wins than the Bears. They got shutout @GB. If we lose both, there is a good chance it would come down to the final game @GB.
I would handicap it at about a 33% chance the Bears walk away with the bye. Certainly not a sure thing, but far from being unrealistic.
By the way, that was a nice win over Buffalo that your team had yesterday. Very impressive.
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 29, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on November 29, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
smoke another one dude!!
yea they looked great yesterday, I'll admit that. But Cutler will soon be back to the Cutler you all bellyached about last year.
Playoffs, yes. 1st round BYE? No way You wont beat the Jets, Patriots, or Green Bay.
Saints and Falcons will end up with the byes.
Don't get mad at me for pointing this out Doug, but the Saints and Falcons can NOT both get byes. They are in the same division, hence 1 of them will be a Wild Card team.
So, the 2nd team with a bye in the NFC comes down the the Bears (8-3), Packers (7-4), Eagles (7-4), and Giants (7-4). Seeing as how we are leading the race and hold the tiebreaker over the Eagles now, I don't see it as that far-fetched. Nobody's schedule is easy the rest of the way.
11-5 has a real shot at winning the bye. The Bears have @DET and @MIN. Neither is an automatic victory, but lets assume they beat those teams as they will be the favorites. I don't think getting 1 win in Chicago over the Jets or the Pats is unrealistic. The Pats got stomped by Cleveland a couple weeks ago. The Jets have had more miracle wins than the Bears. They got shutout @GB. If we lose both, there is a good chance it would come down to the final game @GB.
I would handicap it at about a 33% chance the Bears walk away with the bye. Certainly not a sure thing, but far from being unrealistic.
By the way, that was a nice win over Buffalo that your team had yesterday. Very impressive.
One correction. The Jets got shut out at home against the Packers.
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 29, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on November 29, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
smoke another one dude!!
yea they looked great yesterday, I'll admit that. But Cutler will soon be back to the Cutler you all bellyached about last year.
Playoffs, yes. 1st round BYE? No way You wont beat the Jets, Patriots, or Green Bay.
Saints and Falcons will end up with the byes.
Don't get mad at me for pointing this out Doug, but the Saints and Falcons can NOT both get byes. They are in the same division, hence 1 of them will be a Wild Card team.
So, the 2nd team with a bye in the NFC comes down the the Bears (8-3), Packers (7-4), Eagles (7-4), and Giants (7-4). Seeing as how we are leading the race and hold the tiebreaker over the Eagles now, I don't see it as that far-fetched. Nobody's schedule is easy the rest of the way.
11-5 has a real shot at winning the bye. The Bears have @DET and @MIN. Neither is an automatic victory, but lets assume they beat those teams as they will be the favorites. I don't think getting 1 win in Chicago over the Jets or the Pats is unrealistic. The Pats got stomped by Cleveland a couple weeks ago. The Jets have had more miracle wins than the Bears. They got shutout @GB. If we lose both, there is a good chance it would come down to the final game @GB.
I would handicap it at about a 33% chance the Bears walk away with the bye. Certainly not a sure thing, but far from being unrealistic.
By the way, that was a nice win over Buffalo that your team had yesterday. Very impressive.
oh, yea, same division. guess I need to smoke another, huh?
and a win is a win, no matter how impressive. going to Buffalo is always a tough game. Pittsburgh finishing 11-5 is more realistic than Chicago doing it. @ Balt, Cinn, Jets, Carolina, @ Cleveland. especially after they beat Baltimore with Ben, after they lost in the last :42 without Ben in week #4
either way I am just glad you are able to still be cheering for your team this late in the year. Unusual for Bears fans!
hope your still this cheerful come January :-X
The Bears/Packers show down in week 17 is looking like it might be the defacto first round of the playoffs.
The Bear's offense, especially the front line, is much improved over the first few weeks of the season and continue to improve each week. December is going to be a fun month for football!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on November 29, 2010, 03:08:45 PM
Quote from: Dan Michler on November 29, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on November 29, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
smoke another one dude!!
yea they looked great yesterday, I'll admit that. But Cutler will soon be back to the Cutler you all bellyached about last year.
Playoffs, yes. 1st round BYE? No way You wont beat the Jets, Patriots, or Green Bay.
Saints and Falcons will end up with the byes.
Don't get mad at me for pointing this out Doug, but the Saints and Falcons can NOT both get byes. They are in the same division, hence 1 of them will be a Wild Card team.
So, the 2nd team with a bye in the NFC comes down the the Bears (8-3), Packers (7-4), Eagles (7-4), and Giants (7-4). Seeing as how we are leading the race and hold the tiebreaker over the Eagles now, I don't see it as that far-fetched. Nobody's schedule is easy the rest of the way.
11-5 has a real shot at winning the bye. The Bears have @DET and @MIN. Neither is an automatic victory, but lets assume they beat those teams as they will be the favorites. I don't think getting 1 win in Chicago over the Jets or the Pats is unrealistic. The Pats got stomped by Cleveland a couple weeks ago. The Jets have had more miracle wins than the Bears. They got shutout @GB. If we lose both, there is a good chance it would come down to the final game @GB.
I would handicap it at about a 33% chance the Bears walk away with the bye. Certainly not a sure thing, but far from being unrealistic.
By the way, that was a nice win over Buffalo that your team had yesterday. Very impressive.
oh, yea, same division. guess I need to smoke another, huh?
and a win is a win, no matter how impressive. going to Buffalo is always a tough game. Pittsburgh finishing 11-5 is more realistic than Chicago doing it. @ Balt, Cinn, Jets, Carolina, @ Cleveland. especially after they beat Baltimore with Ben, after they lost in the last :42 without Ben in week #4
either way I am just glad you are able to still be cheering for your team this late in the year. Unusual for Bears fans!
hope your still this cheerful come January :-X
well maybe not now they wont finish 11-5. Ben has a broken bone in his foot. :(
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198111220chi.htm
i have been to my share of Bear games prior to major renovations
causiously optismistic is my view of this year
the giants game and some other o line issues ( we knew there were going to be issues)
raise eyebrows
cutler at times looks non interested but who knows
go bears !
Quote from: airspuds on December 05, 2010, 06:08:56 AM
causiously optismistic is my view of this year
Don't be cautious Mike. It'll probably be a few years before we get this many wins again so just enjoy it while it lasts.
very good game Chicago!
Tough loss but to be expected against the best team in the NFL. The Bears schedule for the last 4 games is the toughest in the NFL. The good news is the Packers lost to one of the worst teams in the NFL. Even better news is Rogers got knocked out. Hopefully NE does the same to the Pack next week.
yea. after NE does do the same to Packers next week, and Vikings beat the Bears, it looks like that last game of the year may decide the division winner, and send the loser home and out of the playoff picture.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 12, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
yea. after NE does do the same to Packers next week, and Vikings beat the Bears, it looks like that last game of the year may decide the division winner, and send the loser home and out of the playoff picture.
Can't see the Bears losing to Minnesota but this year has been crazy. I think the Bears win the division next week.
I'm with Sr. I think the Bears will win next week and clinch the division.
Quote from: Sr. on December 13, 2010, 04:44:47 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 12, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
yea. after NE does do the same to Packers next week, and Vikings beat the Bears, it looks like that last game of the year may decide the division winner, and send the loser home and out of the playoff picture.
Can't see the Bears losing to Minnesota but this year has been crazy. I think the Bears win the division next week.
why not? they almost lost to the Lions twice. The Vikings are better than the Lions.
If they don't beat Minn, then a loss to Jets, and Packers, keeps them out of the playoffs at 9-7.
Even with a win, they still don't get a 1st round bye like Dan was hoping and wishing for. Eagles or Giants will get the bye along with Atlanta.
Either way Chicago fans be happy. Had a good year!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 13, 2010, 10:06:46 AM
Quote from: Sr. on December 13, 2010, 04:44:47 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 12, 2010, 05:19:07 PM
yea. after NE does do the same to Packers next week, and Vikings beat the Bears, it looks like that last game of the year may decide the division winner, and send the loser home and out of the playoff picture.
Can't see the Bears losing to Minnesota but this year has been crazy. I think the Bears win the division next week.
why not? they almost lost to the Lions twice. The Vikings are better than the Lions.
If we are going to use that type of logic then the Bears will win b/c they already beat the Vikings this year. And the Bears will beat the Jets b/c they lost to the Dolphins yesterday.
Last I checked, almost losing to a division rival still counts as a WIN.
Plain and simple. The Bears have to win 1 of the last 3. MN should be interesting now that Rice is back. Who knows who the qb will be. All the sudden the Jets don't look so good. They've scored a total of 9 points in their last 2 games and about ready to take a beat down by the PItt D.
jasonc, That was kind of you to refer to Doug Payne's posts as having some sort of "logic".
View this graphic on this link below and you'll see how faulty such thinking really is in the NFL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589)
Review this thread and you'll find this quote in reference to the Steeler's OT win over Buffalo (3-10, 2-5 at home), in which a Buffalo WR dropped the game winning pass in the endzone:
"a win is a win, no matter how impressive. Going to Buffalo is always a tough game."
Always a tough game? Really Doug? Compared to what other game is that considered a tough game?
Now Doug's thought process vomited this onto the forum:
The Bears almost lost to the Lions twice and the Vikings are better than the Lions, hence the Vikings will beat the Bears, despite the fact that the Bears have already beaten the Vikings.
Well that makes a hell of a lot of sense! And of course the Bears are an automatic loss to the Packers, despite the fact that the Packers just lost to the Lions, to whom the Bears almost lost twice.
Continuing with Doug's logic, I'm not sure how the Packers are going to win over the Pats and the Giants the next 2 weeks. Then they play the Bears, who twice beat a Lions team that the Packers just lost to. Also, the Bears get to play a Jets team that lost to a Packers team that lost to the Bears. So, it appears we can declare the Bears division champs with a 12-4 record and a 1st round bye, and the Pack finishing out at 8-8, you know....because of logic.
Doug, I understand you are gleeful because the Bears played bad and you see an opportunity to jump on Bears fans at a moment of weakness. I totally get that. But you really need to come up with an argument that is semi-coherent and a little less embarrassing. There is definitely a real chance the Bears could lose the rest of their games. Also a real chance that the Packers could lose the rest of their games. Now come back on here to redeem yourself and give us a sound reason why the Packers will prevail over the Bears. Something beyond "because Team A beat Team B, who lost to Team C, hence Team A will beat Team C". Maybe because the Bears are toward the bottom of the league in total offense and haven't established any sort of consistent run game the entire season? Heading into bad weather outdoor games, this can't be good, right?
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 13, 2010, 11:18:25 AM
jasonc, That was kind of you to refer to Doug Payne's posts as having some sort of "logic".
View this graphic on this link below and you'll see how faulty such thinking really is in the NFL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589)
Review this thread and you'll find this quote in reference to the Steeler's OT win over Buffalo (3-10, 2-5 at home), in which a Buffalo WR dropped the game winning pass in the endzone:
"a win is a win, no matter how impressive. Going to Buffalo is always a tough game."
Always a tough game? Really Doug? Compared to what other game is that considered a tough game?
Now Doug's thought process vomited this onto the forum:
The Bears almost lost to the Lions twice and the Vikings are better than the Lions, hence the Vikings will beat the Bears, despite the fact that the Bears have already beaten the Vikings.
Well that makes a hell of a lot of sense! And of course the Bears are an automatic loss to the Packers, despite the fact that the Packers just lost to the Lions, to whom the Bears almost lost twice.
Continuing with Doug's logic, I'm not sure how the Packers are going to win over the Pats and the Giants the next 2 weeks. Then they play the Bears, who twice beat a Lions team that the Packers just lost to. Also, the Bears get to play a Jets team that lost to a Packers team that lost to the Bears. So, it appears we can declare the Bears division champs with a 12-4 record and a 1st round bye, and the Pack finishing out at 8-8, you know....because of logic.
Doug, I understand you are gleeful because the Bears played bad and you see an opportunity to jump on Bears fans at a moment of weakness. I totally get that. But you really need to come up with an argument that is semi-coherent and a little less embarrassing. There is definitely a real chance the Bears could lose the rest of their games. Also a real chance that the Packers could lose the rest of their games. Now come back on here to redeem yourself and give us a sound reason why the Packers will prevail over the Bears. Something beyond "because Team A beat Team B, who lost to Team C, hence Team A will beat Team C". Maybe because the Bears are toward the bottom of the league in total offense and haven't established any sort of consistent run game the entire season? Heading into bad weather outdoor games, this can't be good, right?
Dan you will have to forgive Doug on this one, he is apoplectic. If he gets involved in this argument he will either have to support the Bears or the Packers. Not wanting to do either is very upsetting to him.
Logic? you of all people Dan.
Okay, let's try this.
Bears @ Minn at unknown site right now- Brett Favre has a 22-8 alltime record against Chicago. It will be his last game ever against them, so I think he will pull out a win. With a healthy Harvin, Rice, and AP, too much offense . And a great pass rush, will have Cutler laying on his back. Bears lose to go to 9-5
Never said Green Bay will beat the Patriots, cause they wont. Lose to go to 8-6
Jets @ Bears The Jets are 2-1 vs that conference, with the loss coming to Green Bay. After a 3rd straight loss this weekend in Pittsburgh, they will have to win the remaining 2 games to sneak into the playoffs. I truly believe their defense is better than the Bears, so Bears lose a close 1, 17-13 go to 9-6
Giants @ Packers. If Rodgers is healthy by then. The Pack already won @ Philly 27-20 and won vs Dallas 45-7, while Losing @ Washington in week #5. The Giants have to be the most unpredictable NFC teams in the last 5-8 years so, who knows which team shows up in Green Bay?? Packers defense comes up BIG and Pack wins 27-20. Putting them at 9-6.
That would put them both at 9-6 Bears @ Green Bay
FACT- under Aaron Rodgers, 2008- present the Packers are 2-0 vs Chicago in Green Bay, outscoring them 58-18. That being said, again, for the division on the line, the Bears wont go to Lambeau and win when they have to. Can't protect your QB, you can't win in December/January.
Packers win 24-16.
But cmon Dan. get real. I don't come here to give Chicago fans a hard time( just you buddy ) I only call it how I see it. Right or wrong, I am not afraid to voice my opinion on anything, especially something I know like sports. I can't help it that I cheer for winning teams and you are a true, diehard, loyal as can be fan to the Bears, and Cubs. I feel for ya, I really do. 102 years, and 26 years are a long time to be LOSERS.
But you want to talk about embarrassing?
What is really sad is every year we get to see you make BOLD , VERY BOLD predictions about your Cubs and Bears, and every year is the same disappointment. Quit embarrassing yourself. We know you love them to death. But you have to start using some LOGIC and wake up and smell the coffee dude. IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN in your lifetime for the Cubs. And cherish the 85 Bears, cause you probably wont ever see them win another one.
We here hate seeing you get all excited every spring and fall just to be let down( like you didn't know what was coming) We don't have to know every year that you were once again disappointed. we get it, EVERY year.
You stated back a week or so ago, Bears would get a 1st round bye and finish 11-5. Again very BOLD!!
But I will leave you with this... I am human, I may be wrong on the next 3 weeks, so just in case I am. Bears still wont get a bye, and IF they make the playoffs, like your Cubs 2 years ago got swept in the playoffs, Bears will be 1 and done! And you will be hoping for Spring to hurry up and get here :D
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 13, 2010, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 13, 2010, 11:18:25 AM
jasonc, That was kind of you to refer to Doug Payne's posts as having some sort of "logic".
View this graphic on this link below and you'll see how faulty such thinking really is in the NFL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/A-demonstration-of-NFL-parity-in-one-handy-circ?urn=nfl-288589)
Review this thread and you'll find this quote in reference to the Steeler's OT win over Buffalo (3-10, 2-5 at home), in which a Buffalo WR dropped the game winning pass in the endzone:
"a win is a win, no matter how impressive. Going to Buffalo is always a tough game."
Always a tough game? Really Doug? Compared to what other game is that considered a tough game?
Now Doug's thought process vomited this onto the forum:
The Bears almost lost to the Lions twice and the Vikings are better than the Lions, hence the Vikings will beat the Bears, despite the fact that the Bears have already beaten the Vikings.
Well that makes a hell of a lot of sense! And of course the Bears are an automatic loss to the Packers, despite the fact that the Packers just lost to the Lions, to whom the Bears almost lost twice.
Continuing with Doug's logic, I'm not sure how the Packers are going to win over the Pats and the Giants the next 2 weeks. Then they play the Bears, who twice beat a Lions team that the Packers just lost to. Also, the Bears get to play a Jets team that lost to a Packers team that lost to the Bears. So, it appears we can declare the Bears division champs with a 12-4 record and a 1st round bye, and the Pack finishing out at 8-8, you know....because of logic.
Doug, I understand you are gleeful because the Bears played bad and you see an opportunity to jump on Bears fans at a moment of weakness. I totally get that. But you really need to come up with an argument that is semi-coherent and a little less embarrassing. There is definitely a real chance the Bears could lose the rest of their games. Also a real chance that the Packers could lose the rest of their games. Now come back on here to redeem yourself and give us a sound reason why the Packers will prevail over the Bears. Something beyond "because Team A beat Team B, who lost to Team C, hence Team A will beat Team C". Maybe because the Bears are toward the bottom of the league in total offense and haven't established any sort of consistent run game the entire season? Heading into bad weather outdoor games, this can't be good, right?
Dan you will have to forgive Doug on this one, he is apoplectic. If he gets involved in this argument he will either have to support the Bears or the Packers. Not wanting to do either is very upsetting to him.
Tom, I respect the Packers, it's the Bears I hate!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on December 13, 2010, 03:33:13 PM
You stated back a week or so ago, Bears would get a 1st round bye and finish 11-5. Again very BOLD!!
If you actually read the post on this thread Doug, I said "the Bears could potentially go 11-5 and get a 1st round bye", and then "I would say they have about a 33% chance at the bye". I'm not sure how that is equated with a bold prediction. It is not a prediction at all.
I see you are sticking with your same formulas. I especially enjoy your analysis of the Green Bay/Giants matchup. Lets see, the Packers beat Philly and Dallas, but lost to Washington....calculating....Green Bay 27 NYG 20. I think Keyshawn Johnson has been reading your posts on DISContinuum before he goes on ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown. Very insightful...
Pretty interesting game coming up. Jackson was put on IR. Farve may not play. The 3rd stringer has a hamstring injury. Patrick Ramsay may start after being picked up yesterday. Add on top all of the preparation of this game to be played and Minnesota's stadium.
Its looking conceivable right now that the Bears could end up the 3 seed and the Packers the 6 seed, which would create a Green Bay @ Chicago playoff matchup for the first time ever. If that happens, all of the GB fans who live in the Chicago area should just relocate temporarily. I'm talking to you McManus!! I will egg your damn house if I have to!!
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 20, 2010, 05:46:11 AM
Its looking conceivable right now that the Bears could end up the 3 seed and the Packers the 6 seed, which would create a Green Bay @ Chicago playoff matchup for the first time ever. If that happens, all of the GB fans who live in the Chicago area should just relocate temporarily. I'm talking to you McManus!! I will egg your damn house if I have to!!
In the back of mind I thought, "is it a good idea that Michler knows where I live?" I guess I know the answer now.
I would be shocked if the Packers make the playoffs this year. They only have themselves to blame with poor special team play.
Quote from: Tom McManus on December 20, 2010, 06:00:07 AM
[I would be shocked if the Packers make the playoffs this year. They only have themselves to blame with poor special team play.
Well, if the Packers are competing with the Giants for that last spot you should not lose hope. I think the team that lost to Philly after blowing a 21 point loss with a bad special teams play is worse than the team that could't quite match up with the best team in the NFL despite playing their third string QB. Of course we will know the answer to that question by 615 pm this coming Sunday.
Favre has been upgraded to questionable, and may play!!
AP out. Sweet!
Favre WILL start!
DA Bears! Division Champs.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on December 20, 2010, 08:25:14 PM
DA Bears! Division Champs.
and as much as it hurts to say....
They looked pretty good last night!
These next 2 games are still extremely important. If we can with them both, we have a 1st round bye and a home playoff game to get to the NFC title game. And if Atlanta was to lose in the 2nd round (very possible, they probably will face the Saints in that game who will be the 5 seed and have a 1st round game against the winner of the abysmal NFC West), the Bears could even end up with a home game in the NFC title game.
The way I'd like to see it go:
1st rd Saints 5 seed beat the Rams 4 seed
Philly 3 seed beats the Giants/Packers 6 seed
2nd rd Bears 2 seed beat Philly 3 seed (we dominated them in Chicago just a few weeks ago)
Saints 5 seed beat Atlanta 1 seed
3rd rd Bears win at home over the Saints, who clearly are at a disadvantage in cold weather.
very impressive win again today.
Took my lady to her first Bears game yesturday.
Perfect game for a break-in at Soldier Field.
We were close enough to spit on Sanchez,
not that we did. Just sayin thats how close we were.
Was a great game.
DA BEARS!
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 21, 2010, 06:23:18 AM
These next 2 games are still extremely important. If we can with them both, we have a 1st round bye and a home playoff game to get to the NFC title game. And if Atlanta was to lose in the 2nd round (very possible, they probably will face the Saints in that game who will be the 5 seed and have a 1st round game against the winner of the abysmal NFC West), the Bears could even end up with a home game in the NFC title game.
The way I'd like to see it go:
1st rd Saints 5 seed beat the Rams 4 seed
Philly 3 seed beats the Giants/Packers 6 seed
2nd rd Bears 2 seed beat Philly 3 seed (we dominated them in Chicago just a few weeks ago)
Saints 5 seed beat Atlanta 1 seed
3rd rd Bears win at home over the Saints, who clearly are at a disadvantage in cold weather.
Like to see the Bills get that #6 seed.
Quote from: BogeyKing on December 27, 2010, 06:39:22 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on December 21, 2010, 06:23:18 AM
These next 2 games are still extremely important. If we can with them both, we have a 1st round bye and a home playoff game to get to the NFC title game. And if Atlanta was to lose in the 2nd round (very possible, they probably will face the Saints in that game who will be the 5 seed and have a 1st round game against the winner of the abysmal NFC West), the Bears could even end up with a home game in the NFC title game.
The way I'd like to see it go:
1st rd Saints 5 seed beat the Rams 4 seed
Philly 3 seed beats the Giants/Packers 6 seed
2nd rd Bears 2 seed beat Philly 3 seed (we dominated them in Chicago just a few weeks ago)
Saints 5 seed beat Atlanta 1 seed
3rd rd Bears win at home over the Saints, who clearly are at a disadvantage in cold weather.
Like to see the Bills get that #6 seed.
I'd like to see that too. Although it would be strange considering they are an AFC team.
Whooops... Was thinking of a few things at once there. ahahaha
Not to worried about the Bills
Like to the Giants get that number six seed instead of the Packers or the Bucs.
Way to go Saints on last nights game.
I'll apologize to you Michler, but also to all Bears fans. They are at least the #2 seed, could still be #1 if Atlanta doesn't show up against Carolina. And the Bears look very good offensively, which is where I am most suprised considering the have all NO NAME WR's except Olsen at TE. Still, Cutler is due for one of his 3INT games, maybe it comes Sundat @ Green Bay??
I know they went there and lost back when Bears went to Superbowl vs Indy, but I think with all his weapons and a Healthy P. Thomas, the Saints could very easily go to Chicago and get a win. If not, then the Bears could go to Atlanta and win. Anything can happen in a dome. And as you all know, I have been wrong before ;)
As a Bears fan I accept your apology Doug. But will you apologize if Cutler doesn't throw those three interceptions you said he will throw against the Packers? I think Cutler has been looking pretty damn good to come to that conclusion!
I didn't say he will Randy, I said he is due for 1 of those games. If I were a Bears fan, I would hope its Sunday, and not in the playoffs!
But yes, he has looked good.
I think the only way he throws 3 interceptions is if the offensive line doesn't pass block well. Lately they have been pretty good at protecting Cutler. But I will admit that this game scares me Doug. If the Bears don't come out with the killer instinct, they will be golfing faster than they wanted in 2011.
I am shocked by the way this season has gone. A 2nd seed bye is unbelievable.
We'll see what Lovie does. We'll find out if his beat that Packers statement is true. I'd love to beat the Packers a 2nd time but this game means nothing to us. There is no reason to risk injury in this game.
I agree with Brett. The last thing we need is an injury in this game that is now meaingless (unless Atlanta somehow loses to Carolina.....which is a longshot).
Looking ahead, we could be facing the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, or Saints in that 2nd round game. If the Eagles could lose to the 6 seed (Pack or NYG), and the Saints lose on the road to the Rams/Seahawks, that would certainly be the optimal situation. Nothing like facing a .500 team for a shot at the NFC title game. Getting to the NFC title game would be a successful season. If we have to head into Atlanta for a game, we'd definitely be underdogs. If the Pack gets in, I'd actually love to see them beat the Eagles and Atlanta, then head to Chicago for a Green Bay @ Chicago NFC Championship game. Anything is possible once the playoffs start, as the Giants demonstrated in 2007.
I agree with both of you. I would like to see them rest everybody but it's not going to happen. It seems every time someone tries to not get hurt they do. That's the biggest worry of this game. Wild card teams seem to wreek havoc with no rest. I think Carolina won as a wild card team if I'm not mistaken. So it would be cool to see them go all out and put a cherry on top of this season!
So far it has been a successful season for the most vocal fans on this forum. Steelers, Bears, and Packers all make the playoffs. Now it is a new season, it will be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully the Packers can get past the Eagles. The dream match up would be Packers Bears in the NFC Championship, then the winner would take on the Steelers. That is a long ways away, but one can hope.
NFC:
I wouldn't be in total shock if Seattle defended their home turf and defeated the Saints. But certainly you have to expect the Saints to step up in that game and find a way to win.
I think the Packers will beat the Eagles setting up:
Atlanta vs. Green Bay
Chicago vs. New Orleans
AFC:
I like Kansas City, but not enough to take them over the more experienced Ravens. Next year KC could be a contender. That Jets/Colts game should be fun to watch. It just hasn't been Indy's year, so I'm going to predict a Jets victory setting up:
Patriots vs. Jets
Steelers vs. Ravens
Those are 2 very enticing matchups. The Jets looking for revenge after the shellacking they took on Monday night last month.
If anyone will beat the Patriots, it will be Kansas City. Too many ex coaches and players in KC. The cheaters wont have an edge if that matchup happens.
Indy over the Jets, then Indy losses @ Pitt(Manning is terrible outside in cold weather)
K.C. over Baltimore (the running game will run on Balt) then can't wait to watch KC @ Patiots
Pack over Eagles, then lose to Atlanta
Saints over Seahawks, then they go Chicago and beat the same Cutler that played yesterday( total of 3 points, and starters played entire game)
Saints VS Patriots
but yes, what a great season for all the trash talkers here. all of our teams stepped up. Now which team lasts longest??
great game Seattle.
great news for all you Bears fans if Green Bay can beat Philly. That would set up Seahawks @ Bears
Da Bears!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 03, 2011, 07:35:18 AM
If anyone will beat the Patriots, it will be Kansas City. Too many ex coaches and players in KC. The cheaters wont have an edge if that matchup happens.
Indy over the Jets, then Indy losses @ Pitt(Manning is terrible outside in cold weather)
K.C. over Baltimore (the running game will run on Balt) then can't wait to watch KC @ Patiots
Pack over Eagles, then lose to Atlanta
Saints over Seahawks, then they go Chicago and beat the same Cutler that played yesterday( total of 3 points, and starters played entire game)
Saints VS Patriots
but yes, what a great season for all the trash talkers here. all of our teams stepped up. Now which team lasts longest??
Some great playoff predictions Doug.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 03, 2011, 07:35:18 AM
If anyone will beat the Patriots, it will be Kansas City. Too many ex coaches and players in KC. The cheaters wont have an edge if that matchup happens.
Indy over the Jets, then Indy losses @ Pitt(Manning is terrible outside in cold weather)
K.C. over Baltimore (the running game will run on Balt) then can't wait to watch KC @ Patiots
Pack over Eagles, then lose to Atlanta
Saints over Seahawks, then they go Chicago and beat the same Cutler that played yesterday( total of 3 points, and starters played entire game)
Saints VS Patriots
but yes, what a great season for all the trash talkers here. all of our teams stepped up. Now which team lasts longest??
hahaha, maybe the Eagles will win just to make Doug wrong.
Can't wait for Bears/Seahawks next week!
wow, 1 home team won, and it's the one nobody gave a chance to win.
Didn't the Bears lose to Seattle this year??
Si 23-20 i believe.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 09, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
Didn't the Bears lose to Seattle this year??
Actually I did give Seattle a chance if you review my prediction above.
Didn't the Steelers lose to the Jets, Ravens, and Patriots this year (every AFC team left)?
yes, they lost to Balt with Batch as their QB, but won with Ben at QB(Flacco is 0-4 vs Pitt when Ben is the QB)
yes, lost to Jets without Polamalu ( hope they do beat Patriots)
and yes, lost to Patriots, but we did score more points 26 than the Bears did 7.
and the Bears have lost to Seattle, and Packers( 2 of the 3 NFC teams left) and would not beat Atlanta.
but I will try to redeem myself after that pathetic 1-3 1st week
Jets go to Foxboro and lose again. wont be the beating they took last time, but still lose.
Balt goes to Pitt, and as usuall it is a very close game, but Flacco can't beat Pitt when Ben is the QB (0-4)
Pitt can't go to New England and win, so unless Brady gets hurt, Pats will be playing in the bowl.
Atlanta and Green Bay will be a shootout, well it could be. I like Green Bay to pull the upset here.
The Bears better be able to beat the worst team left in the playoffs. If not, I was right about this team once again.
If the Bears do win, I like Packers to demolish them on their home turf.
To set up Packers VS Patriots. With a healthy Rodgers, they might give the Pats a game, considering they almost beat them with Flynn as the QB.
The Jets could be a dangerous matchup for the Patriots. They were embarrassed last time. That being said, I think the Patriots are just too good. Pats win 26-13.
Baltimore and Pittsburgh are pretty evenly matched. There needs to be 1 upset this week, and this is the one I'm picking. Baltimore 23-18.
Seattle had their one shining moment last week. The Bears roll them 31-6.
Atlanta has been almost unbeatable at home for 2 years. I am going to be rooting hard for the Packers in this one. I'd love to see a Bears/Packers NFC title game. However, the Packers are a mistake-ridden team that seems to find a way to beat themselves far too often this season (and almost did against Philly). Atlanta wins 30-22.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 10, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
Baltimore and Pittsburgh are pretty evenly matched. There needs to be 1 upset this week, and this is the one I'm picking. Baltimore 23-18.
of course you are! :D
and that makes sense. cause if the Cheaters from New England do lose, it is almost a guaranteed 7th Superbowl to add to our already most in the NFL, IF they beat Baltimore.
Cause we all know the Champs will be from the AFC, the better of the 2 conferences!!!
Atlanta will beat the Pack in a close game.
Bears will roll over the 1 win Seahawks
Baltimore over Pittsburgh in a very close one
Jets will fight hard but not enough to beat the Patriots
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 10, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
and that makes sense. cause if the Cheaters from New England do lose, it is almost a guaranteed 7th Superbowl to add to our already most in the NFL, IF they beat Baltimore.
Cause we all know the Champs will be from the AFC, the better of the 2 conferences!!!
How do you determine the better conference? The last 20 Super Bowls the NFC is 11-9. This year the record for head to head was AFC 34-30, a winning record yes, but nowhere enough to say that it is the better conference. The AFC is top heavy but not better than the NFC. I would actually say that the AFC is the worse conference because it is across the board less competitive.
AFC had 132 wins.
NFC had 126 wins.
This decade the AFC has dominated.
OVERALL HISTORY I would say the NFC is the best.
But in the last 10-12 years, the AFC is the better conference. And this year is the same.
I should have been more specific, sorry Mr McManus
but I will say this.
NO TEAM in the AFC won their division with a LOSING RECORD!!
To you NFC fans that probably means more competitve, but actually its being pathetic.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 10, 2011, 04:11:52 PM
but I will say this.
NO TEAM in the AFC won their division with a LOSING RECORD!!
To you NFC fans that probably means more competitve, but actually its being pathetic.
And only one team has done it in the NFC which means that the AFC is much better? Okay, if you say so.
cmon now Tom. look at it Sir.
The remaining AFC teams have 49 wins, the NFC has 41.
And I rephrased my initial comment, to the last 10-12 years. Now if you still think you have a case in the last 10-12 years, feel free to explain it. But 8 Superbowl winners to 4, not much of an argument on your end. The last decade was dominated by the AFC, and no signs of that slowing down anytime soon.
I really don't think any team in the NFC can beat Balt, Pitt or Pats except maybe Packers. Bears were already humiliated by Pats. Green Bay also lost to them. Falcons lost to the Steelers already this year, with Charlie Batch at QB. Hell, even the Jets would beat Seattle.
I think the NFC is on the clock when the draft starts??
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 10, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
cmon now Tom. look at it Sir.
The remaining AFC teams have 49 wins, the NFC has 41.
Stating that the remaining AFC playoff teams have more wins than the remaining NFC playoff teams only supports Tom's argument that the AFC is top heavy. Most of those wins were against other AFC teams.
Trying to decipher which conference is better is a trivial argument.
bottom line is this.
His favorite team is a NFC, mine happens to be an AFC team. This argument would go on forever if we wanted it to.
I'm willing to bet 5 Champion Discs, that an AFC team will win the Superbowl. Just to prove that the AFC is better NOW, as we speak.
I want to see the Bears and Packers win this weekend...would love to see a Bears/Packers NFC Championship game.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 11, 2011, 05:07:43 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 10, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
cmon now Tom. look at it Sir.
The remaining AFC teams have 49 wins, the NFC has 41.
Stating that the remaining AFC playoff teams have more wins than the remaining NFC playoff teams only supports Tom's argument that the AFC is top heavy. Most of those wins were against other AFC teams.
Trying to decipher which conference is better is a trivial argument.
but in all honesty, I really dont understand your theories. The AFC is top heavy, cause most of their wins came against other AFC teams?? Really? so that means most of the NFC wins came against other NFC teams, right?
132 wins on the season for AFC, only 126 for NFC.
AFC was 34-30 against the NFC
9 AFC teams had a .500 or better record, only 7 NFC teams did. Need I go on you 2?
The TOP 5 QB's on the season were, Rivers, P. Manning, Brees, Schaub, E. Manning. 3 AFC
The TOP 5 RB's were, Foster, Charles, Turner, Johnson, Jones-Drew. 4 AFC
The TOP 5 WR's were, Lloyd, White, Wayne, Jennings, Wallace. 3 AFC
Thats just the offensive stats, need I really go to the defense??
Pittsburgh gave up the LEAST amount of points, and least yards per game vs the RUN, by a landslide!
Ed Reed(BALT) led the NFL in interceptions, follwed by McCourty(PATS) and Polamalu(PITT)
I would love to hear how the AFC is top heavy in your minds. Or just be the men you are supposed to be and admit it, the NFC is the weaker conference. It's not that hard.
Watch, I can do it. The Patriots are a better team this year than Pittsburrgh :o
The NFL has a strong desire for parity across the board. This meaningless discussion of which conference is better on a BEARS thread is proof that the NFL is still king of all major American sports because of continued parity.
Sure, wins are important but 132 vs. 126 does not exactly look like a runaway victory for the AFC. I believe that works out to 51% or 52%. This does not qualify as a landslide victory for the AFC over the NFC in the 2010 season.
great point Jason. But just answer 1 question, with a yes or a no. and I will stop talking on this thread.
is 52% or 51% BETTER than 48% or 49% ?
If you run the statistics at a .05 level which is the common thing to do, there is no significant difference. ;)
thats true Kenny.
I will stop. you can't get any logic through to those 2 anyway. They are stuck with their teams, which is understanable. They have to live off some hope.
All I know is they can't get over the fact that they are down 6-3, and 6-1 in Superbowl Trophies. Which again, I understand the jealousy ;D It's usually just those 2 over and over trying to argue these topics
And I knew it when I posted it, NO ONE wanting to stand up for the NFC and take the bet of 5 NEW Champion Discs. ;D
I rest my case, your Honor!
I don't understand why anyone would care if the the NFC is better than than the AFC. Whether a team is in the NFC or the AFC is entirely arbitrary and irrelevant. Each team drafts and coaches its players independently of each other. I don't get it.
it's entertainment Jon. need something to do waiting 7 days to watch another game.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 02:53:53 PM
thats true Kenny.
I will stop. you can't get any logic through to those 2 anyway. They are stuck with their teams, which is understanable. They have to live off some hope.
All I know is they can't get over the fact that they are down 6-3, and 6-1 in Superbowl Trophies. Which again, I understand the jealousy ;D It's usually just those 2 over and over trying to argue these topics
And I knew it when I posted it, NO ONE wanting to stand up for the NFC and take the bet of 5 NEW Champion Discs. ;D
I rest my case, your Honor!
Either side can win any game. Look at the SEAHAWKS! The odds are too slim to bet
5 Champion Discs on. Anything can happen :rolleyes:. It doesn't matter which conference is better. What matters is what team wins the Super Bowl.
How about teams with two syllables in their name versus teams with one syllable?
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on January 11, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
How about teams with two syllables in their name versus teams with one syllable?
Go 1 syllable!!!
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
bottom line is this.
His favorite team is a NFC, mine happens to be an AFC team. This argument would go on forever if we wanted it to.
I'm willing to bet 5 Champion Discs, that an AFC team will win the Superbowl. Just to prove that the AFC is better NOW, as we speak.
I am not taking this bet, but it appears to me that Doug is bracing himself for a Steeler loss in the playoffs, as his emphasis has moved away from the Steelers and onto the AFC. Actually by the continued focus on the AFC/NFC, it seems to me Doug has resigned himself to a Steeler loss. Oh welll.... I still like the Packers chances.
Here is SI's Don Banks picks for the best Super Bowl Matchups. My choice would be Packers Steelers, the choice has nothing to do with our friend from the south. I just think it would be exciting to see two teams with a lot of post season history. Not a big fan of the Falcons so seeing them in the SB doesn't interest me.
1. Patriots-Falcons
2. Falcons-Ravens
3. Steelers-Packers
4. Packers-Patriots
5. Steelers-Falcons
6. Bears-Patriots
7. Ravens-Packers
8. Falcons-Jets
9. Jets-Bears
10. Seahawks-Ravens
11. Jets-Packers
12. Seahawks-Patriots
13. Bears-Ravens
14. Seahawks-Steelers
15. Steelers-Bears
16. Seahawks-Jets
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 12, 2011, 05:36:39 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
bottom line is this.
His favorite team is a NFC, mine happens to be an AFC team. This argument would go on forever if we wanted it to.
I'm willing to bet 5 Champion Discs, that an AFC team will win the Superbowl. Just to prove that the AFC is better NOW, as we speak.
I am not taking this bet, but it appears to me that Doug is bracing himself for a Steeler loss in the playoffs, as his emphasis has moved away from the Steelers and onto the AFC. Actually by the continued focus on the AFC/NFC, it seems to me Doug has resigned himself to a Steeler loss. Oh welll.... I still like the Packers chances.
I've been thinking about taking this bet b/c the undefeated Patriots recently lost a super bowl. If a so-called dominant team like that can lose to Eli Manning and the Giants, any remaining NFC team in this year's playoffs can do the same.
Unfortunately for Doug, I have already spent enough money on playoff bracket pools and super bowl squares to pass on this offer.
I haven't been on here since yesterday afternoon and it looks like Doug just went crazy! AFC vs NFC is really that important to you? You realize they are both in the NFL, right? Its not like the first few Super Bowls before the AFL and NFL merged. I didn't even know there were people who were so diehard AFC in today's world. With guys bouncing around in free agency like they do today, its incredible you would care about something so trivial. I'm only arguing with your logic for determining that the AFC is better.
Anyways, I'll throw you this bone Doug, the Patriots are the best team in the NFL right now. They play in the AFC, so if that makes the AFC the best by your standards, then so be it. I don't think there is an accepted method of determining which conference is better, so feel free to find one that suits your needs.
That being said, any team can win on any given Sunday.
If I had to rank the teams that are left, I'll do it like this:
1. Patriots...........2-7 too close to call..............8. Steelers
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 12, 2011, 05:36:39 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 09:13:57 AM
bottom line is this.
His favorite team is a NFC, mine happens to be an AFC team. This argument would go on forever if we wanted it to.
I'm willing to bet 5 Champion Discs, that an AFC team will win the Superbowl. Just to prove that the AFC is better NOW, as we speak.
I am not taking this bet, but it appears to me that Doug is bracing himself for a Steeler loss in the playoffs, as his emphasis has moved away from the Steelers and onto the AFC. Actually by the continued focus on the AFC/NFC, it seems to me Doug has resigned himself to a Steeler loss. Oh welll.... I still like the Packers chances.
yes Tom, I feel the Steelers will lose in the playoffs. Pitt/ Balt is always a physical game, and the last 7 meetings have been decided by 4 or fewer points each game. If they get by Balt, they most likely will play Patriots. They already came to Pitt and beat us 39-26. Yea, Pitt dropped 2 td's and missed a FG, but going to Foxboro, I don't think they are capable. Now, if we were a NFC team, yes I would be planning my Superbowl party already. :D
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 12, 2011, 08:25:48 AM
I haven't been on here since yesterday afternoon and it looks like Doug just went crazy! AFC vs NFC is really that important to you? You realize they are both in the NFL, right? Its not like the first few Super Bowls before the AFL and NFL merged. I didn't even know there were people who were so diehard AFC in today's world. With guys bouncing around in free agency like they do today, its incredible you would care about something so trivial. I'm only arguing with your logic for determining that the AFC is better.
Anyways, I'll throw you this bone Doug, the Patriots are the best team in the NFL right now. They play in the AFC, so if that makes the AFC the best by your standards, then so be it. I don't think there is an accepted method of determining which conference is better, so feel free to find one that suits your needs.
That being said, any team can win on any given Sunday.
If I had to rank the teams that are left, I'll do it like this:
1. Patriots...........2-7 too close to call..............8. Steelers
just proves your IQ level
Don Banks on SI.com has
Pats
Falcons
Pitt
Packers
and the Bears???
Chicago Bears (11-5)
I'll grant you that a No. 7 ranking is fairly low for a No. 2 seed, but the Bears aren't a dominant team as much as they are an opportunistic one. Of the four teams with first-round byes, the Bears rank a distant fourth in terms of scoring differential, with a +48 margin spread out over their 11-5 record. Compare that to New England (+203), Pittsburgh (+143), and Atlanta (+126), and you get the idea. A lot has to go right for Chicago to wind up in Dallas, and its margin of error is fairly slight.
Theres a bone for you to suck on! ;)
back to the Topic.
Seahawks @ Bears
If Chicago can't stop Forsett/Lynch from duplicating their 1st matchup numbers... 111 yds, 2 tds, or Hasslebecks 242yds, 1td, 0 ints, the Bears will be in trouble.
Or if Cutler just has his same 290 yds, 0 td's, 0 ints, sacked 6 times, and Forte can only muster 11 yds on 8 carries with a TD, it may be a long day for Bears fans.
I personally don't see it happening that way. The Bears protect Cutler better now than what they did the 1st matchup, and his throws to his WR's are more accurate now. As much as it hurts to say...
Bears 27
Seahawks 17
I do not see the running game for Seattle being nearly as effective as it was the first game. Lance Briggs missed the first game. He is key to the run defense on this team. The Bears have had a very good running defense all year long. Now the short passing game of Seattle is another story. Teams that run the West Coast offense or versions of it give the Bears fits. If the Bears can not generate a pass rush Seattle could hurt them. Then Cutler duplicates some of his not so finest moments and turns the ball over the way he did against Washington the Bears could lose. Other than that scenario or some major injuries the Bears will win. I do not see either team's pass rush being very effective on Sunday. That can hurt the Bears as much as it can help them. Soldier Field's turf is an embarrassment.
Bears play solid defense and Cutler doesn't do anything stupid = easy win for Bears.
I am rooting for a Bears/Packers match up in the NFC Championship game. That would be epic.
Bears-31
Seattle-10
O0
The Cheese course is first;
Seahawk then on the menu.
Hope the Bears don't choke.
I love how all the Bears fans "would love to see" a Bears/Packers NFC title game, just to have there little hearts broken :love9:
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
it's entertainment Jon. need something to do waiting 7 days to watch another game.
I don't find it entertaining. Debating if it is entertainment is mildly entertaining but the debate itself I find boring and meaningless. ;)
I think the Bears/Seahawks game is going to be close. My prediction is Bears over Seahawks 17-14. That's my same prediction if the Bears and Packers play for the NFC championship. Bears by 3! But if the Bears lose either game my heart won't be broken. I'll just kick my hat across the room and then get on with life.
Quote from: discpro99 on January 13, 2011, 08:52:00 AM
I love how all the Bears fans "would love to see" a Bears/Packers NFC title game, just to have there little hearts broken :love9:
A) It would be high level sports entertainment and rekindle the Bears/Packers rivalry, the oldest in football
and
B) Playing at home against the Packers is a hell of a lot more promising than traveling to Atlanta.
Quote from: damonshort on January 13, 2011, 07:09:36 AM
The Cheese course is first;
Seahawk then on the menu.
Hope the Bears don't choke.
Rodgers must beat birds
and Cutler must not throw picks
Brat-a-palooza!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 13, 2011, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
it's entertainment Jon. need something to do waiting 7 days to watch another game.
I don't find it entertaining. Debating if it is entertainment is mildly entertaining but the debate itself I find boring and meaningless. ;)
no one said you had to agree with everything said.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 13, 2011, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: Jon Brakel on January 13, 2011, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 11, 2011, 03:12:59 PM
it's entertainment Jon. need something to do waiting 7 days to watch another game.
I don't find it entertaining. Debating if it is entertainment is mildly entertaining but the debate itself I find boring and meaningless. ;)
no one said you had to agree with everything said.
Of course! If I agreed with everything you said then where would the fun of the debate be? Plus if someone made a rule that I had to agree with everything you said then I'd have to edit a lot more of your posts! ;D
Important note to Bears fans:
The Bears lose many more games that I watch on TV than they win. The Bears win many more games that I don't watch than they lose. The one exception is for games I attend in person: the Bears have won every Bears game I've ever gone to.
I have nothing else planned for this Sunday. Therefore, you must pool your funds and get me tickets! ;D
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on January 13, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Important note to Bears fans:
The Bears lose many more games that I watch on TV than they win. The Bears win many more games that I don't watch than they lose. The one exception is for games I attend in person: the Bears have won every Bears game I've ever gone to.
I have nothing else planned for this Sunday. Therefore, you must pool your funds and get me tickets! ;D
You can get tickets for this game at face value. Everyone is saving up for next weeks game.
The best weekend of the year is almost here.
Ravens 21
Steelers 17
Falcons 24
Packers 21
Bears 27
Seahawks 24
Patriots 34
Jets 17
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 14, 2011, 05:32:13 AM
The best weekend of the year is almost here.
Ravens 21
Steelers 17
Falcons 24
Packers 21
Bears 27
Saints 24
Patriots 34
Jets 17
Tom don't you mean Bears vs the Seahawks
Thanks Stan. I am out of it today. I do mean Seahawks.
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 14, 2011, 05:32:13 AM
The best weekend of the year is almost here.
Ravens 21
Steelers 17
Falcons 24
Packers 21
Bears 27
Seahawks 24
Patriots 34
Jets 17
I thought you said you liked the Packers chances?
Quote from: pdga#7648 on January 14, 2011, 07:32:32 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 14, 2011, 05:32:13 AM
The best weekend of the year is almost here.
Ravens 21
Steelers 17
Falcons 24
Packers 21
Bears 27
Seahawks 24
Patriots 34
Jets 17
I thought you said you liked the Packers chances?
I have to think Tom must be betting this week as he posted with his head rather than his heart. It had to be rough picking the Pack to lose a close one and the Bears to win a close one. Thanks for moving up the time so we can get back and watch that um, er, a Seahawks game. ;)
Knowing Tom, I think he likes to assume the worst and hope for the best, trying to dodge the big letdown.
oh a little reverse psychology? I see.
Bears Packers for the NFC title next Sunday! Can you dig it!
yep, can't wait to see it!
Tom, you planning your party yet? ;)
I am horrible at guessing what the lines for games will be, but I am going to say Packers plus 2.5.
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 16, 2011, 01:53:16 PM
I am horrible at guessing what the lines for games will be, but I am going to say Packers plus 2.5.
The early line is Packers -3.5. Its going to be interesting. Both of these teams have a dark side that can rear its head when you least expect it. For the Bears to win this game we need to:
A. win the turnover battle
B. force GB to throw short passes all day
C. make more big special teams plays than the Packers
D. score 1 more point than GB.
Green Bay was at home in that game 3 weeks ago and was facing elimination. It was an exhibition game for the Bears. Nothing I saw from that matchup scared me. I think we can use the energy boost we get from the crowd to get ahead early. That being said, seeing what Rodgers did to Atlanta (31 for 36) absolutely scares me and is obviously the reason the Packers are the favorites to win next week.
60 minutes to the Super Bowl!
60 minutes or a year, depending.
I had to take Kelsey back to college today and missed most of the game.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on January 16, 2011, 03:21:06 PM
60 minutes or a year, depending.
I had to take Kelsey back to college today and missed most of the game.
I didn't say for who, but I'll be rooting for the Bears!
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 12, 2011, 05:47:37 AM
Here is SI's Don Banks picks for the best Super Bowl Matchups. My choice would be Packers Steelers, the choice has nothing to do with our friend from the south. I just think it would be exciting to see two teams with a lot of post season history. Not a big fan of the Falcons so seeing them in the SB doesn't interest me.
1. Patriots-Falcons
2. Falcons-Ravens
3. Steelers-Packers
4. Packers-Patriots
5. Steelers-Falcons
6. Bears-Patriots
7. Ravens-Packers
8. Falcons-Jets
9. Jets-Bears
10. Seahawks-Ravens
11. Jets-Packers
12. Seahawks-Patriots
13. Bears-Ravens
14. Seahawks-Steelers
15. Steelers-Bears
16. Seahawks-Jets
I'm confident Pitt will be there!!!
Cmon Packers
Judging from what tickets are going for, this game may single-handedly fix the economy.
I think the game could go either way, probably decided by a late turnover at the best/worst possible moment.
My wife is a Packer fan, and in the past we've gotten together for Packer playoff games with some friends who have the same affliction. The Packers have lost every time. I'm inviting them over next Sunday...
After much thought my prediction for Sunday's game:
Packers: Infinity
Bears: -1
Ditka: 4
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 20, 2011, 03:14:04 AM
After much thought my prediction for Sunday's game:
Packers: Infinity
Bears: -1
Ditka: 4
My prediction. The Bears start the game off with a bang. A big special teams play sets up the offense with a short field and the Bears punch it in for a 7-0 lead. Rodgers has success moving the ball, but the Bears defense holds and Green Bay settles for a pair of FG's on the next 2 ensuing possessions. End of 1st qtr. Bears 7-6.
The Bears offense, mostly stagnant since the early score, hits a big play when Cutler finds Knox on a deep ball setting up 1st and Goal. The Bears settle for a FG after 3 lackluster offensive plays. Bears 10-6. Near the end of the 1st half, Rodgers has the Pack deep into Bears territory, but a Bears fumble recovery inside their own 10 yard line saves the day. Halftime Bears 10-6
Rodgers comes out in the 2nd half and hits Jennings for a big play. The Packers score easily making it 13-10. Cutler follows that up by marching the Bears down the field, only to throw a drive ending interception which is returned back inside the Bears 20. The Pack pours in another quick score and suddenly its 20-10 Packers. Panic ensues in Chicago. After a 3 and out, the Packers march down the field once again, only to be stalled at the Bears 1 yard line. They go for it on 4th and 1 and are stuffed. The crowd comes back to life with the Bears down 10. On the next play from his own 1 yd line, Cutler hits Olsen down the middle of the field for a huge gain. Forte picks up another big gain and the Bears cap the drive off with a TD, making it 20-17 Packers heading into the 4th quarter.
With momentum on their side, the Bears force another turnover. The crowd is at a fever pitch. Cutler strikes again quickly with a long TD pass, putting the Bears up 24-20. Rodgers responds with a long 14 play TD drive, sucking the life out of the stadium and giving the Packers back the lead, 27-24. The Bears go 3 and out. The Packers have a chance to run the clock out with a couple 1st downs, but the Bears defense holds for a 3 and out. The ensuing Packers punt is aimed out of bounds, but doesn't quite get there. Hester receives the punt tiptoeing the line, reverses the field and finds daylight.....TD Bears with under 2 minutes remaining! Bears up 31-27. Rodgers still with a shot. He brings the Pack down inside the Bears 10 yard line for a final play with time about to expire. He sees no open receivers, tucks it and takes off, Urlacher runs him down from behind and Tillman finishes him off, stopping him at the goal line. He is called down with no time on the clock. It appears he may have broken the plane, and the play is reviewed for an excrutiatingly long period of time. The replay is very inconclusive. The play stands. The Bears advance to the Super Bowl.
lmao, Bears score 31 against that D?? Put the pipe down dude!
I honestly don't have a clue about either game this Sunday. I am hoping for a Packers win, but who knows.
I think that the Bears cover but lose the game and the Jets win a close one. But both games are a coin flip.
The one thing I am sure about is that win or lose I am not going to get on here and yap about the lucky Bears or how great the Packers are and what a joke it was that the Bears even made it this far. Both teams deserve to be where they are right now.
It is going to be a painful loss for one side or the other. It is fun talking smack before the game because it isn't painful and both teams are winners at this point. 36 hours from now it is going to be a different story. So good luck to all the Bears fans on this board.
It's like having Christmas twice. Except this time half the boys and girls really are going to get a lump of coal.
The smack talk is all part of the fun. the reality is we are indeed birds of a feather. The loser buys the beer and we drink it together. I have a bet with a Milwaukee friend of mine. the game will provide an excuse for use to get together. If the Bears win he is bringing Sprecher beer and Johnsonville brats down here. If the Pack wins I am bringing some stuff from the Pita Inn (his favorite local falafel joint) and kosher hot dogs and polish sausages from the Romanian up across the Cheddar Curtain. I hope the Bears win because I really want to watch the second game with the Jets and Steelers. I am not sure I will be in a mood to watch that game after a Packer victory. I suspect Tom might feel the same way if the Bears prevail in the early game.
I will be adding up all the money I won from the 1st game ;D, so yea, that 2nd game is going to be a great one to watch for me.
After it's over, Steelers will be on the top step, of their Stairway to 7!
Quote from: Tom McManus on January 22, 2011, 05:46:06 AM
The one thing I am sure about is that win or lose I am not going to get on here and yap about the lucky Bears or how great the Packers are and what a joke it was that the Bears even made it this far.
dont worry Tom, I will be able to do this for ya ;)
All joking aside, I may have to cheer for the Bears.
friend is a season ticket holder. he just got an email from the Bears, saying he woas picked out of a lottery to purchase 2 tickets if the Bears win and go to the superbowl :o Hell yes. I'll put down the $1,200.00 to watch Pittsburgh demolish the Bears anyday!
Not much to say about the Bears/Packers matchup that hasn't already been said too many times this week. Was at a sporting goods store today and was blown away by the amount of Bears and Packers gear.
As far as the AFC matchup this weekend, should be another pretty evenly matched game. Pittsburgh has to feel extremely fortunate to have escaped that Ravens game. Baltimore had them on the ropes, then Rice and Flacco had those fumbles deep in their own territory that let the Steelers back in the game. Far from a convincing victory by the Steelers.
The Jets could not possibly be coming off more of a high. I doubt they even truly believed they were going to win that game last week. That was probably their best performance of the season and it was certainly aided by some questionable coaching decisions by New England.
Neither team is dominant and crazy unpredictable shit is always a possibility in football. Winning 3 consecutive road games in the playoffs and 2 consecutive games in Pittsburgh is a lot to ask of the Jets. They had a another impressive run, but I think they come up short again in a close game. Steelers 22-20.
I regard the New York Times as being generally wrong about almost everything on which they have an opinion. So, naturally, they are rooting for the Packers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/sports/football/23packers.html?_r=2
That was a pretty rough finish to the year. I've never cared for Lovie Smith but he just finds a way to hang in there. I thought this team would be a 4 to 6 win team this year. I give him credit. I thought for sure he'd be getting the axe.
As far as the game it was brutal. I'm not going to get all hung up on the Cutler injury. He was brutal today anyway. That being said we were still in position to tie or win this game which is absolutely mind boggling to me. I thought it'd come down to the team that had the ball last and figured it'd be a battle.
Both of those interceptions had potential to go to the end zone. Neither did and GB got in on the one they picked.
Not sure why they didn't attempt the 49 yard field goal that 2nd quarter.
Come out the 2nd hald with great field position and cannot capitalize on it.
To top it off driving down the field on the last series. 3rd and 3 on the 27 with 1:15 to go. Why in the hell would you run a reverse? We still had 1 timeout left.
Wonder what would of happened if Hanie comes in instead of Collins when we were at mid field. Those were 2 wasted possesions. What the hell does this coaching staff look at all year?
Hell of a season for the Bears. Amazing we made it as far as we did. Made for a lot more excitement than we were expecting, which is all you can ask for as a fan.
The defense played incredible football yesterday. The Packers were rolling over us in the 1st half and they regrouped and completely shut down that offense the rest of the way, holding them to just 14 points for the game. Rodgers coming off that 31/36 performance goes 17/30 0 TD 2 INT. You can't ask for more than that from the defense. Briggs and Urlacher both get tripped up with 1 man to beat to the end zone after their interceptions. Either of those would have swung the game in our favor.
As far as our offense goes. I'm not going to waste my time questioning Cutler's injury. He was terrible. Hanie provided a spark when he came in there. Unfortunately his pick to Raji was the difference in the game. Forte had a great game.
I can't get over than 3rd and 3 play call. There was about a minute left and a timeout. 3rd and 3 in Packers territory. We had been picking up significant gains on the ground. Why do you not run the ball up the middle and pick up the 1st down, just as we had done on 4th and 1 three plays earlier? Worst case, we face 4th and short if we can't pick it up. But a reverse to Earl Bennett? Why? You risk a big loss. Its just stupid. If they wanted to gamble in that spot, it would have been the perfect time to take a shot at the end zone. I'm not saying the play cost us the game, but I would have loved to see what would have happened had we just run the ball up the middle and picked up that 1st down.
At least the refs didn't take it from us like they did the Jets. I'm not sure how the refs could watch that play and not think Sanchez' arm was going forward.
Quote from: Dan Michler on January 24, 2011, 05:27:16 AM
I'm not sure how the refs could watch that play and not think Sanchez' arm was going forward.
That was a horrible call. Brady has gotten that call more than once.
it was the same play that Polamalu hit Flacco and forced the fumble, the ball was loose before his arm was going forward.
The head of officiating in the booth clearly said it was the right call.
Quit Crying :'(
Excuses Excuses. Typical Chicago fans though!
Cutlers MRI came back. It showed he has a Vagina ;D
Congrats to Richard Dent making the Hall of Fame. There are now four Bears from the 85 Super Bowl team, Singletary, Payton, Hampton, and Dent. Five if you want to add Ditka, but I think he went in for his playing days, not his coaching career. I wonder if anymore will be enshrined, maybe an offensive lineman? Or one more defensive player? Four players maybe all that gain entrance into the hall.
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 05, 2011, 06:44:50 PM
Congrats to Richard Dent making the Hall of Fame. There are now four Bears from the 85 Super Bowl team, Singletary, Payton, Hampton, and Dent. Five if you want to add Ditka, but I think he went in for his playing days, not his coaching career. I wonder if anymore will be enshrined, maybe an offensive lineman? Or one more defensive player? Four players maybe all that gain entrance into the hall.
only other person I can think that has a slim chance it will be Steve McMicheal
Tackles 838
Sacks 95
Interceptions 2
Not bad for a DT
well deserved. he was a main part of that arguably best defense of all-time.
Congrats to all that made it, even the 2 old timers, who nobody heard of before.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on February 05, 2011, 08:21:04 PM
well deserved. he was a main part of that arguably best defense of all-time.
Congrats to all that made it, even the 2 old timers, who nobody heard of before.
Here is the information on the 2 old timers who nobody heard of before:
Chris Hanburger:
Voted into the Pro Bowl nine times (the most among any of the 2011 class), "The Hangman" was selected in the 18th and final round of the 1965 draft. He started 135 straight games at linebacker beginning in 1968, a streak that lasted a decade. Much of his career predated official statistical calculation, but Hanburger is unofficially credited with 19 interceptions, 17 fumble recoveries, 46 sacks and five touchdowns. He was the 1972 NFC Defensive Player of the Year and helped the Washington Redskins get to Super Bowl VII.
Les Richter: The guard, linebacker and kicker was drafted by the Dallas Texans in the first round of the 1952 NFL draft. The Texans lasted just one season, but
Richter went on to rack up eight Pro Bowl selections in just nine seasons played with the Los Angeles Rams. Typical of the multi-tasking required of players in his era, Richter also led the NFL with 24 field goal attempts in 1955. He amassed 16 interceptions and 192 points in his career. After his football career, Richter went on to a long career in the racing industry, and eventually became the senior vice-president of operations for NASCAR. Regrettably, Richter passed away in June of 2010.
I added the bold.
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 05, 2011, 06:44:50 PM
Congrats to Richard Dent making the Hall of Fame. There are now four Bears from the 85 Super Bowl team, Singletary, Payton, Hampton, and Dent. Five if you want to add Ditka, but I think he went in for his playing days, not his coaching career. I wonder if anymore will be enshrined, maybe an offensive lineman? Or one more defensive player? Four players maybe all that gain entrance into the hall.
Yes, congrats to Dent on his long overdue HOF election!
I think at least 1 O-Lineman should make it, but it's going to be tough as usual for anyone from the Offensive line to make it. I think Jay Hilgenberg has the best shot b/c he had 7 Pro Bowls and 2 1st team All Pro selections. I also believe the Bears led the NFL in rushing for 4 or 5 straight years between '83 and '86ish.
For anyone who's keeping track, this makes 27 Bears in the Hall of Fame. #2 on the list is that one team from north of the border with 20 in Canton.
Quote from: jasonc on February 07, 2011, 04:45:56 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 05, 2011, 06:44:50 PM
Congrats to Richard Dent making the Hall of Fame. There are now four Bears from the 85 Super Bowl team, Singletary, Payton, Hampton, and Dent. Five if you want to add Ditka, but I think he went in for his playing days, not his coaching career. I wonder if anymore will be enshrined, maybe an offensive lineman? Or one more defensive player? Four players maybe all that gain entrance into the hall.
For anyone who's keeping track, this makes 27 Bears in the Hall of Fame. #2 on the list is that one team from north of the border with 20 in Canton.
The stat that I keep track of is Packers 13 championships Bears 9 championships.
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 07, 2011, 05:41:45 AM
The stat that I keep track of is Packers 13 championships Bears 9 championships.
Thats deceiving because the Bears really haven't played their best football over that period of time. Over the course of, say the next 100 years, I think you'll see things tipping more in the Bears direction.
Quote from: Dan Michler on February 07, 2011, 06:12:22 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 07, 2011, 05:41:45 AM
The stat that I keep track of is Packers 13 championships Bears 9 championships.
Thats deceiving because the Bears really haven't played their best football over that period of time. Over the course of, say the next 100 years, I think you'll see things tipping more in the Bears direction.
You are right Dan. Thank you for putting that stat into the proper context.
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 07, 2011, 06:28:22 AM
Quote from: Dan Michler on February 07, 2011, 06:12:22 AM
Quote from: Tom McManus on February 07, 2011, 05:41:45 AM
The stat that I keep track of is Packers 13 championships Bears 9 championships.
Thats deceiving because the Bears really haven't played their best football over that period of time. Over the course of, say the next 100 years, I think you'll see things tipping more in the Bears direction.
You are right Dan. Thank you for putting that stat into the proper context.
The same thing holds true for the Cubs. When we look back in 3011 and see the Cubs didn't win any titles from 1908-2010, we're going to discard that century as a statistical outlier. I can't wait for that. Going to be some sweet redemption for me!
One positive came out of the Bears strong showing this year:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110225/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_bears_smith_2?bouchon=602,il
YOUR KILLING ME TOM!
>:(