Could it be true that Vernon Hills could develop the next 18 Hole course in Lake County. They could put together something special. They have the Green. Corporate Money and sponsorship IE Rustoleom.
They have the space.
Do they have the vision.
Ive seen prototypes that look tasty.
What do you think ?
Sweet.
But that 116-ft hole stands out as strange.
But with my noodle-arm, I won't complain.
Maybe I'm slow, but lemme see if I understand this.
Someone in Vernon Hills wants to know if another person, also living in VH, is interested in Central IL disc golf?
I don't think we have any VH members.
and Central IL is a pretty large area.
I just spoke with both the VH Park District and the VH Village Hall. Both places deny that there is ANY activity or planning for a disc golf course. I also tried to find Big Bear Lake (from Brett's post), and could not find it in Vernon Hills (looked at mapquest and VHPD's park map).
Where is all this (mis)info coming from?
I guess today is research day.......
The ONLY reference I can find for big bear lake was on discgolf.com - people - illinois - Allan Friello
Allan contacted me a few months ago about this project but then heard nothing. Here's the webpage he has linked to his personal info:
http://www.rockchevy.com/littlebearlagoon.htm
I think a 18 hole course is in the works. Big Bear Lake is the location. I think it will be a small course with nothing over 300ft. All 200 to 250.
Nice!
Mangler,
1st, Welcome to the board! Thanks for sharing your info.
I'm just curious to where you are getting your information. I talked to a pretty solid source today & he said this course was not even close to going into the ground. The guy in charge is really worried about that park & how much people use the park. He's worried about people getting hit. They are supposedly looking for accomodating location.
I second that.... NICE!
Now get them to put in flared cement tees(pro and intermediate positions) and mach V baskets(solar domes optional) :D
Final Revisions were made and these are the Plans
Little Bear Lagoon Vernon Hills IL. [+/- 10 ft]
#1 306
#2 324
#3 375
#4 325
#5 201 (water)
#6 413
#7 116
#8 465
#9 189 (water)
Total 2713
#10 250
#11 287
#12 362
#13 453
#14 465
#15 275 (water)
#16 635
#17 280
#18 501
Total 3508
Total 6221
This is one of two different sites being "Tossed Around"
I have played this course on a 6 Month old prototype.
New model is longer.
Previous course design was great this has to be much better.
Longer on #1#9#14#16 #8 Changed.
Wanted: Vernon Hills Resident that is concerned with the advancement of Disc Golf in Central Lake County Illinois.
Member wanted that lives in Vernon Hills.
Yay or Nay ?
That sounds awesome, a lot of varied holes!
But scrap the cement tees, I like my feet on the ground.
18 will again be attempted...
This is a Map of Prototype 18 Course in Vernon Hills Illinois.
I put it together Disc Golfers can go play it. Unfortunately at this time most targets have been taken down. Playability is great since all park patrons stay on paths. I will post an aerial view and a couple of holes if you would like to see more let me know...this is only a proto...but it is in my opinion the best challenge in Illinois.
#1 Park your car and start...
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It is clear that you've put a lot of work into this, Mangler! I applaud your effort and enthusiasm once again.
But I'm gonna risk hurting your feelings with some positive, constructive criticism, if that's OK.
1. "All park patrons stay on paths". This is rarely true in any park and cannot be taken for granted.
2. When baskets are shared by more than one teepad, safety is immediately a factor. I understand you want a challenging 18-hole course, but this layout will lead to trouble and confusion, even if you have signs clarifying the layout. People don't read instructions, generally. Also, the number of holes playable simultaneously by different golfers is reduced as soon as baskets are shared.
My advice: make this a great course! You found the spot and laid the groundwork. EXCELLENT! Don't risk losing a course just to force in more holes. Make it a fun and challenging 9-hole or 12-hole course without the risk of overlapping layouts. This is just my humble opinion.
THANKS for posting and for creating more discing opportunities!
Vernon Hills Parks can have pets on their park property. Folks do not like to have their pets bringing goose feces into their homes so they dont go off the path. Very rarely do you see anyone picnicking there or playing on the island it is overloaded with Goose droppings..I could care less about it I bring a towel no big deal and Special Designated footware.
I will not take a position about any direction VHPD wants to go...I have used this course to sharpen my game and get excellent exercise. 3 years and counting a couple lost discs.
Because space is a concern I use a clockwise-counter clockwise design. 18 Quality Grids. Shared Targets save money and increase yardage. Players risk something everytime they are out. Id like to think that we are somewhat intelligent not to throw into other players or park patrons...Recreational sport brought to an area that is not being used to its maximum....win win win ...
Mangler, have you ever played Valley View in New Berlin. It's a great course, IMO. It's always packed, so you usually have to wait on every hole. One problem this course has is that the holes are all right on top of eachother. I have seen more than one person get hit, not because they were standing by the basket or the person throwing wasn't paying attention. The thrower miscalculated or the person who was hit just wasn't expecting it when they were getting ready to take their shot. Putting multiple tee pads aimed at the same basket will get people hit, often. New players, which it seems this course was built to attract, will avoid the course and possibly the sport because they don't want to get cracked by a sharp plastic object at high speeds.
Yes, there is some sort of risk involved in playing disc golf. Why would you want to increase that risk? If you really want to up the ante that much, why not make it full contact disc golf?
What Myk said. Mangler, you seem to design your courses with reckless abandon. Not what this sport needs.
I was approached with this design last fall and know the Park District Director very well. I applaud the efforts, but unfortunately the specific site is very active and safety concerns were prominent. It is safe to say that he will not recommend the location to his Park Board. Sorry to bear bad news.....
On a more positive note, Gary Lewis has struck again and installed a great course in Mokena (New Lennox area). Highlights include multiple tee pads, the use of 1" rubber mats for tee pads, tee pads that are flat but provide drainage, and they utilized fly-ash within the limestone screening subsurface to lock-in the aggregate.
I applaud all eforts to get a course installed. It's not an easy thing to do.
Saying this, Lake County, IL needs a top quality, Championship Calibur Course. There are plenty of 9 hole & 18 hole beginner courses within short drives. Waukegan, Libertyville, Mundelein, Round Lake, Crystal Lake, Buffalo Grove, Highland Park, & soon to come Wildwood.
I too would rather see a challenging 9 hole course like Adler than throwing to the same basket just to squeeze in more holes. I've played the proto course at Wildwood as well. It will be a Roc & Putter course for the most part but you will have to develop an anhyzer & other skills to play it. Not just throwing to open hole after open hole.
Food for thought:
Shawn has been a big proponent of a larger course in Pleasant Prairie, WI. The park at Lake Andrea (just east of outlet malls south of Hwy 50) is monstrously HUGE, and the parks director is a friend of Shawn's. We did a couple of demos there.....
If we can synch with a larger club like GLDGC, we might be able to get a good course in there. They have hundreds of acres that surround the lake there. Perhaps the combined clubs' efforts can get the job done.
Thoughts?
I heard that there is a course under construction in Aurora. is this true?
I have not heard anything.
I have not heard anything either.
Calling the Aurora Parks Department revealed nothing either, but I confused a few folks. =)
But here's the Aurora website address:
http://www.ci.aurora.il.us/Parks%20Operation/index.html (http://www.ci.aurora.il.us/Parks%20Operation/index.html)
#7 Show here with shortest of three pin placement
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#10 1/3 pin placement Shared with #7
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#12 Many options needs a little work to make right..
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Map Overview (again)
Sorry but the layout seems to be very hard to take in. Crossing fairways, sharing baskets....Why? I can see if this was on private property but on a public course. Come on now, if you need help ask the club. I realized that most courses get tweaked to make the flow go better after they are in the ground but come on what the hell is this?
How many baskets are at this course? Why not just have that many holes and multiple tee pads for each hole. I'm looking at the aerial and see lots of clear space... away from paths, maybe utilize some of the wooded areas. I don't want to piss anyone off but if someone get seriously hurt, all chances of getting more courses in N. Illinois are shot to hell.
Yeah, I'm enclined to agree with Shawn. If you follow the layout, once you finish hole one, you have to hike it to hole 2's tee. On hole 2 you're shooting not only across the fairway of whatever hole that is (I can't read the number clearly), but your shooting right over the tee pad. That's just bad. 3 is shot from the same tee as 17, so someone's going to have to wait on that shot. 4 shoots across the fairway of 2 holes. That's just an accident waiting to happen. I assume that 5 and 16 are shooting off the same tee, so there's more waiting there. Plus you're shooting into the guys on 15 and the same pin as 14. It seems vaguely interesting that 6 starts right in the middle of 14's fairway.
Mangler, I'm not trying to say that what you're doing is bad. I applaud your efforts to get a new course in the ground. What you have accomplished is amazing. What I am saying is, as an experienced disc golfer, I will probably never play this course for fear of being cracked in the head by an errant throw.
Please don't take this personally. It's nothing against you. I really do envy you right now. You get to design a course, how awesome is that. You should make it a great one that everyone will love to play.
QuoteShared Targets save money and increase yardage.
I'd like to think that we are somewhat intelligent not to throw into other players or park patrons.
1st, I firmly believe if a park district cannot afford to purchase targets, they cannot maintain a course or replace any stolen or damaged equipment, so why install it?
2nd, I would like to think disc golfers have common sense too. I think "disc golfers" are smart and they could play this course without problems. However, not all players are disc golfers. Many are "chuckers" that play commando style. They are not smart and cause problems. The cannot play a well designed course properly. They will throw at any time without thinking. They are just like those drivers on the expressway, all lanes are blocked so they drive on the shoulder.
I felt that If I posted.Some Players would take advantage of it and play. This is a proto feel free to do with it what you will. Also 36 Holes here can be enjoyed in less time it can take you to drive to some of the courses in the area. Also if anyone has Ideas of any other spots in Vernon Hills that can work for 18 let the board know. Do your game a favor and play this course...also this course was not commissioned by anyone it is not in anyway sponsored by VHPD.
Don't forget this is vernon freaking hills we're talking about here.... Save money, bah. That town's one of the richest on the north shore.
Quotealso this course was not commissioned by anyone it is not in anyway sponsored by VHPD.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. The Vernon Hills Park Disctrict has not agreed to have this course put in? No one said, "We want a course here," yet? Basically, you're designing a course for the sake of bringing it to the board so they will approve it and put it in the ground. Again, I applaud your ideas and your efforts. What you are doing is amazing.
As far as proposing a course to a park district, I don't think this is the right way to go about it. In barganing, which is what you'd be doing if you ask the park district to do this, you should always ask for more than what you need, so you can get what you want in the end. If you ask for 18 holes, you're likely to get less than that. Especially if the PD doesn't want to spend a lot of cash. If you really want 18, ask for something like 27 or so. When the board comes back and says no because it costs to much, you can come back with, "Well, here's a course I put together that would save us $X on my last proposal."
Just a suggestion.
Mangler, on Jan 6th, you posted:
"This is a Map of Prototype 18 Course in Vernon Hills Illinois.
I put it together Disc Golfers can go play it. Unfortunately at this time most targets have been taken down."
What were the targets if not baskets? And I'm assuming that they were not baskets if the VHPD did not fund anything. Just curious.
Also, I'd be happy to share the club's Disc Golf Proposal for whomever may see this through.....
My plan is to chill on VH. They are rebuilding The two bridges that lead onto and off of the island. Any plan to go forward with The Park District will only involve a group effort Im not interested in it until there is a support base. Granted also alterations would have to be done to any course from any design.
I beleive that if there is room for a Disc Course in a community Im For building one two or three or them. VH is interesting from the point that it is such aheavy duty win for the community and for lake county. Too many reasons not to go ahead with some sort of project.
QuoteI was approached with this design last fall and know the Park District Director very well. I applaud the efforts, but unfortunately the specific site is very active and safety concerns were prominent. It is safe to say that he will not recommend the location to his Park Board. Sorry to bear bad news.....
On a more positive note, Gary Lewis has struck again and installed a great course in Mokena (New Lennox area). Highlights include multiple tee pads, the use of 1" rubber mats for tee pads, tee pads that are flat but provide drainage, and they utilized fly-ash within the limestone screening subsurface to lock-in the aggregate.
Open Minded Individuals can make great decisions. Education is the key.
6 baskets with 3 tees = 18 holes
Bridges are Complete...They look Great..This town is busy with Mega Project at Property near VH High School. Mega Plex of Ball Fields Sport Fields Fencing and New Roads..Huge Budget...A Disc Course is not on the Radar.. Plus My Sources Tell me ..This property (little bear lagoon ) is earmarked for a Grand community project that is yet to be revealed by the powers that be. Maybe Cuneo would like 18 ?