MMXI Mokena Big D Doubles
September 11, 2011, at the Oaks
A PDGA C-tier Best Shot Doubles Tournament
Trophy-only Entry Fees
Pro Teams - $10 per team
Am Teams - $10 per team
Proof of current PDGA membership or $10 nonmember fee required
If either partner is a PDGA professional, rated at or above 970, the team must register as a pro team.
All expenses, including the course use fee and PDGA fees, have been covered by sponsor added cash. Payouts will be handled as a side game. See below.
Schedule
Check-in: 7:45-8:45am
Players meeting 9:15am
The lunch break will end 1 hour from the last card being turned in. Don't be late. We will get started on time.
The awards ceremony will start as soon as possible.
The tournament will be played on a 21-hole Big D course featuring 6 combined holes and two extended holes.
Side Games:
Optional $5 Per Team Eagle Pool. An eagle is two under par. The course will include several par 4 holes. The Eagle Pool will be awarded in equal shares per eagle and will be awarded to the team to be split 50/50 between the partners.
The Hula Hoop Game. There will be ~18 hula hoops on the course. If a competitively thrown disc lands in or touching a hula hoop, the team is eligible to win an edible prize baked by Diana. To claim the prize, the team must then pick up the hoop, carry it for the rest of the round and turn it in to the hula hoop prize czarina. This game is included with your entry fee.
Cash CTPs. The entry fees will fund cash CTPs on the course for all players.
Optional Flight Awards. The field will be divided into four equal sized flights sorted by combined team rating. You may enter the Flight Awards game at $80 per team or $40 Half-In per team using IOS Half-in rules. Assuming a full field with full participation, the top four teams in each flight will receive a graduated payout.
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Grab your phone. Call your partner. With the Flight Awards side game, anyone can team up with anyone, and compete in the flight indicated by their team rating. Dana can team up with Ashley. Brett can team up with his dad.
Cashless Pre-Reg:
I will be taking cashless pre-reg from teams where both players have a PDGA rating. To reserve a place by cashless pre-reg one partner must post on this thread their team in the following form:
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
998-----Dana Vicich--26228----Pro
791--Ashley Gilbert--46857----Am-------1789
So copy and paste that but substitute in your information.
I'm filling to foursomes with no floaters. This will fill. Don't delay.
Note: Because cashless pre-reg can be a little soft, I might fill to foursomes plus two floater groups.
If anyone asks [59 looks; no posts] I'll put up the course routing information.
The tournament is now on the PDGA calendar. The PDGA calendar says to go to Disc Golf Scene for information. For now, that is just misdirection. I would like to give Illinois Open Series players first opportunity to know about this, and most of you read this forum, Fox Valley's or both.
I'll post pre-reg here and at PDGA.com. To keep teams together on the PDGA website, you'll all get fictional middle initials. The PDGA tools are not very functional for doubles.
Cashless:
kris linscott - #39147 - rating 942 AM
ryan padilla - #44563 - rating 917 AM ----- 1859
911-----Jake Jacobs---12984----Am
889-----Damon Short---17348---Am-------1800.
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885-----Sayer Jackson---44639----Am
902-----Case Jackson----44640---Am-------1787
977-----Jason McKinney--17714----Pro
920------Brian Bazan------17861----Pro-------1897
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951-----Chad Nelson---30541----Am
946-----Ray Hill---------25183----Am-----1897
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919-----Sean Ryan-----31230----Am
856-----Alan Webster--31231----Am-----1775
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926-----Kelsey Brakel-----16007----Am
848-----Mike Krupicka-----28438----Am-----1774
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970-Randy Moore Jr.-30974-Pro
935-Randy Moore Sr.-30166-Am
Team Rating-1905
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978-----Brett Comincioli--19325--Pro
976-----Steven Jacobs---41260--Am Worlds JR under 19 Champ!
1954 Team Rating
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I think I'm a little confused by the format. Is this a singles with a doubles sidebet, or is the format best shot doubles? I thought I knew, but then I saw that this was a C-Tier on PDGA and not an XC.
Quote from: stpitner on August 02, 2011, 11:05:45 AM
I think I'm a little confused by the format. Is this a singles with a doubles sidebet, or is the format best shot doubles? I thought I knew, but then I saw that this was a C-Tier on PDGA and not an XC.
The way I would interpret this event:
This is Best Shot Doubles. Trophy Only as far as the PDGA is concerned, but really $90 per team to participate in a cash-only payout non-PDGA event and trophy only PDGA tournament at the same time. The reason the $10 trophy only fee is listed for the PDGA tourney would be so PDGA Amateurs can play for a cash payout while playing a separate PDGA sanctioned event simultaneously.
The divisions for the cash payout tournament will be created by putting the highest rated 25% of the teams in Division A, the next highest 25% in Division B...and so on, so you have 4 equally sized divisions regardless of who signs up to play.
If I were Bruce and I wanted this to fill, I would make the Best Shot Doubles $80 per team part more prominent in my postings. I think this is the part that speaks to the majority of golfers who would play.
Why not just run this non-sanctioned? There are no ratings for a doubles event, so I'm not sure of the advantage of having it be a PDGA event, other than its listed on the Tour page and you can get a few PDGA points for those who care about points.
Scott: It is best shot doubles. They have new people at the PDGA doing things, so maybe they did not notice that it needed an X. I checked off the box for doubles and noted it in the text box when I submitted the sanctioning request. I modified the first post to make it clear that it is best shot doubles.
Dan: Mokena wants a bazillion dollars worth of insurance. The PDGA will give you a bazillion dollars worth of insurance for $50 if you pay the $50 sanctioning and $2 per player.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 02, 2011, 10:57:44 AM
If anyone asks [59 looks; no posts] I'll put up the course routing information.
I'm curious about the course routing and hole distances.
Quote from: Dan Michler on August 02, 2011, 12:53:05 PM
I'm curious about the course routing and hole distances.
Every player will get a course guide. This is the first draft of the text. I would love it if someone could measure 6-22 for me:
Mokena Big D Course Guide
Any distances which vary from the tee sign were measured by wheel. The only water o.b. is the pond near tournament central. Any wet drains or creeks are casual: stand where it lands, or go straight back away from the basket until you are out of the water, with no penalty, if you are taking that throw. On 500+ foot holes, you may drive when the group ahead is out of range.
Hole - Length - Par - Description
1-2 ---- 515 ---- 3 -- From 1 Long to Basket 2
3 ------ 365 ---- 3 -- 3 Long
4-5 ---- 440 ---- 3 -- 4 Long to 5 basket
6-7 ---- 650 ---- 4 -- 6 Long to 7 basket. Throw generally in the direction of the bagged #4 basket. Possible rope o.b. on right.
8 ------ 275 ---- 3 -- Hole 8, long if there is a short.
9 ------ 540 ---- 3 -- Hole 9 long.
10 ----- 560 ---- 3 -- Hole 10 long
11 ----- 430 ---- 3 -- Hole 11 long
12-13 - 750 ---- 4 -- Hole 12 tee to 13 basket. Count all your throws.
14 ----- 300 ---- 3 -- Hole 14 long
15 ----- 290 ---- 3 -- Hole 15 long
16-17 - 350 ---- 3 -- Hole 16 tee to 17 basket, mando left of the marked tree.
18 ----- 450 ---- 3 -- Hole 18 long
19 ----- 210 ---- 3 -- Hole 19
20 ----- 225 ---- 3 -- Hole 20
21 ----- 235 ---- 3 -- Hole 21. After 21 you are going to the 6 Red (Short) tee, so don't cut through 18 fairway.
6-22 -- 780? --- 4 -- 6 Short (red) to 22 basket. Throw generally towards bagged #6 basket and just keep going to 22 basket. I forgot to measure this hole but will try to get out for IOS Jericho Lake and measure it then. There may be rope o.b. on the left to separate this from hole 6-7.
23 ----- 310 --- 3 -- 23 long if there is a short
24-25 - 410 --- 3 -- 24 long to 25 basket
26 ----- 310 --- 3 -- 26 long
27E ---- 550 --- 4 -- 27 long to portable Chainstar near pond and tournament central.
21 holes - 8945 - 67 - When adding your scorecard you may want to use the convention that every hole is par three and that 21 X 3 = 63. Par 4s are indicated for purposes of the Eagle Pool and par is 4 on those holes if you are late to tee off. Don't let the par fours confuse you when totalling your card. The penalty for incorrectly totaled cards will apply.
I agree with Dan.
Is this at the oaks in Moken, and what is the total registration for doubles AM?
email jpdunne@palossports.com with answers please
Sent to your e-mail:
Yes, it is at the Oaks in Mokena.
With full amenities, i.e., all sidegames, $95 per Am team.
So based on your edits to your original post, there is a required side game of posting on this thread on September 8th in order to remain on the pre-reg list?
so where do u sign up at?
Quote from: tacimala on August 03, 2011, 03:02:01 PM
So based on your edits to your original post, there is a required side game of posting on this thread on September 8th in order to remain on the pre-reg list?
Correct. If you want to reserve a spot by cashless pre-reg, I'm requiring you to reconfirm on September 8.
Quote from: jynx on August 03, 2011, 06:00:41 PM
so where do u sign up at?
If you and your partner have a PDGA rating, you can reserve a spot by following the directions at the end of the first post. If not, you can sign up at the Oaks on Saturday morning.
Somebody sent me a private message wanting to know how you run a tournament at Mokena without paying them their $500 per day course use fee.
My answer is, I don't know. I sold a big pile of discs at the CCR Flymart and am using the proceeds to pay the course use fee and the PDGA sanctioning. It is my thank-you to everyone who ever played an IOS I had a hand in. I hope 84 of you will play this and have exceptional amounts of fun.
And on that topic, if I owned a course like that, you'd pay me at least $500 per day for exclusive use of the course. If I owned a great course, like Mason County or Kensington Black Locust, I'd want more. We should be thankful that so many park districts give it away for free.
0--William Pacelli--49790--Am--N/A
no current rating--Jack Nagrodski--38664--Am--N/A
Can we still pre-reg with one player having no rating and having no team rating?
We are definitely in no matter what, but I figured a pre-reg would be nice.
Let me know, thanks!
You must have ratings to pre-reg. I will take ELF ratings as being as good as PDGA ratings, if the elves are calculating ratings on non-members this year.
Elves?
If the elves are calculating ratings but you don't have one, you two need to play the IOS at Jericho Lake.
The elves are still hard at work. Pacelli they know about, Nagrodski needs to play in some tournaments and make himself known.
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
978-----Brett Comincioli--19325--Pro
???--TBD--TBD----TBD-------TBD
I'm pretty sure I'm going to play, but I need to find a partner as well. Anyone want to be part of a low flight group? lol. I can play over my rating on good days! haha.
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
911-----Jake Jacobs---12984----Am
889-----Damon Short---17348---Am-------1800
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
885-----Sayer Jackson---44639----Am
902-----Case Jackson----44640---Am-------1787
Can't wait! This event seems like it will be a blast.
How many total entrants are allowed? I just want to make sure there will be a spot left for me and my partner. I haven't played in a tournament since 2005 and got off work for this one. Any way to reserve a spot just to be safe? If so that would be greatly appreciated!
-William Pacelli
scott p > I can partner up with you
if you fade then Ill grab my non pdga buddy
looking at his homie ratings
for like 4 T's
hes under 800
so either way we're covered
838 (as of 12-Jul-2011)
Sorry, I've been away. I'm keeping pre-reg on page 1 somewhere, now that we are on page 2. Also on pdga.com.
I'd like to fill the tournament to 4somes on 21 holes, if my course routing gave me 21 holes. It is a big course that could accomodate a couple of floater groups so I might take pre-reg to 4somes on 23 or 24 holes, and if there are cancellations, not refill the spots. Cashless pre-reg can be kind of soft.
Also, don't worry about your middle initials. That's just so I can keep the teams together when they are displayed on PDGA.com. Nifty trick if you ever run doubles. Jon had a better idea, call Damon Short "Damon ShortJacobs" and Jake Jacobs "Jake ShortJacobs" and that would keep the teams together better. I may switch to that at Z or I may go with AA and BB.
Brett, if you wanted to team with your dad, that would be interesting!
977-----Jason McKinney--17714----Pro
920--Brian Bazan--17861----Pro-------1897
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Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 15, 2011, 12:38:44 PM
Jon had a better idea, call Damon Short "Damon ShortJacobs" and Jake Jacobs "Jake ShortJacobs" and that would keep the teams together better.
...although it might imply a closer relationship between Jake and myself than was ever intended....
I think it is cool that four out of four teams signed up are teams that might not play together at traditional PDGA divisional doubles because one partner would have to play up. You do not have to be that kind of team to enjoy this format. Because it is all best shot, a balanced team with complimentary skills will never be at a disadvantage.
Quote from: damonshort on August 16, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
...although it might imply a closer relationship between Jake and myself than was ever intended....
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Brother! Jamon Shacobs
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scott
(edit _sry odd an smiley popped up )
thoughts my rating is at a low
im primed to donate
if I dont get my a$$ out on the course or at least practice putt
Mike Krupicka made a google map of the course. Thanks, Mike!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=206665679093820992464.0004aacb916be66794129&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=0 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=206665679093820992464.0004aacb916be66794129&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=0)
Just a quick question. Hole 12-13 says "Count all your throws," what excatly does that mean? If we both drive, both approach, both putt, is that 6 throws, or 3?
Sorry. Maybe I should take that out. It is best shot. I was just joking about the fact that there may be some big scores on that hole.
No problem Bruce. I just wanted to make sure that we weren't playing some special rules for that particular hole. Thanks for the quick response.
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
951-----Chad Nelson---30541----Am
946-----Ray Hill---------25183----Am-----1897
Mike Krupicka, by the way, is on board as a tournament volunteer. Jon is too, providing Madisen's schedule does not change. Diana will be the Hula Hoop Czarina, of course. Kelsey will be volunteering and looking for a partner, schedule permitting. She might have a partner, but they have not announced so I cannot say.
Newsy bits.
I made some changes to the tournament information, just to clarify that your entry fees are going 100% to the cash CTPs. The course use fee, PDGA sanctioning and insurance, and $2 PDGA player fees have been covered by cash sales of discs at the CCR Flymart. Many thanks to CCR for holding the Flymart and to the players who bought so many discs.
I'm hard at work making quarter-toss basket trophies. Kiralyn is helping by poly-coating the wood bases. There will be ten trophy baskets: for the winners of Open and Advanced, on the PDGA side of the tournament, and for the winners of Gold, Silver, Copper and Lead, in the four flight side games. The cost of the trophies has been covered by Kelsey, who gave me lots of trophy making materials for Christmas in 2009, or by me, depending on how you look at that.
I started a tournament page on Disc Golf Scene and changed my signature on PDGA.com to help promote the tournament. I used the "Illinois Open Series Club" as the host club on Disc Golf Scene, but this is not an Illinois Open Series tournament. The Illinois Open and Illinois Open Series are tradenames owned by Jon, and my use of either was purely unlawful infringement for which I hope he will forgive me. 8)
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
919-----Sean Ryan-----31230----Am
856-----Alan Webster--31231----Am-----1775
Sean Ryan, the PDGA shows you as not current, so you'll have to renew or come up with the $10. It might be that if you renew in September, you're good for 2012. Check with the PDGA office.
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
926-----Kelsey Brakel-----16007----Am
848-----Mike Krupicka-----28438----Am-----1770
Quote from: pickax on August 26, 2011, 04:18:46 AM
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
926-----Kelsey Brakel-----16007----Am
848-----Mike Krupicka-----28438----Am-----1770
Nice!
I saw Kelsey at a barn dance near Corunna last night. She still wants to be your partner. She will get her Bio-Chem syllabus on Wednesday and then she will know whether she can play.
I'm going out to practice this beast after lunch if anyone is up for it. Bruce- I'll measure 6-22 while I'm out there.
If you get anyone to join you, play doubles and we can put up some practice scores. The basket for the last hole will be on the berm by the pond with the fountains.
Hole 6R to 22 is 651 ft as the crow flies. The first time I threw the hole, I played to the basket for 8. Whoops.
After playing the safari holes, I don't think you'll really need the yellow rope separating 6B-7 from 6R-22. A lot of the paint (Blue/White/Red) marking the tees has worn off. You'll need to make sure you flag which tees we are playing for the event.
btw Playing doubles, my alter ego and I threw a 69. If my alter ego had stopped stealing discs out of my bag, I definitely could have improved on that.
I finished tweaking my doubles leaderboard card today. For this format I figured I'd need a place for the team rating and the flight in the upper right corner, and a place for the entry fee options on the upper left.
I also finished tweaking my leaderboard. If you are teeing off on hole 16 --> 17, the leaderboard says 16 --> 17.
Trophy baskets are under way. I need to buy a hole cutting blade to finish them up.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on August 05, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
978-----Brett Comincioli--19325--Pro
976-----Steven Jacobs---41260--Am Worlds JR under 19 Champ!
1954 Team Rating
Quote from: CEValkyrie on August 31, 2011, 09:19:20 AM
Quote from: CEValkyrie on August 05, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
978-----Brett Comincioli--19325--Pro
976-----Steven Jacobs---41260--Am Worlds JR under 19 Champ!
1954 Team Rating
SWEET!
970-Randy Moore Jr.-30974-Pro
935-Randy Moore Sr.-30166-Am
Team Rating-1905
ALL IN!
Brett is in!!! :icon_cheers: :blob3: :blob5: :blob6: :blob9: :wav:
Wednesday night To do list:
[X] Change custody to dad for school year
[X] Buy card stock.
[_] Print scorecards, leaderboard cards
[X] Update pre-reg on PDGA.com
There is no "Pre-reg Rule" for this tournament. The new ratings will govern your team. We're 1/4th full? Don't delay.
Given the number of options I'm a little confused as to what I should
sign up for.
I've never played in a tournament, and I'm not a PDGA member.
Do I have to find a partner, or can I sign up as a single and get assigned someone?
If I sign up for the flighted cash prize, since I am unrated (and essentially unknown) does that mean I get placed in the bottom flight? What kind of score would win the bottom flight?
@greiman: This tournament is so different from a standard PDGA singles tournament, it might not be your best option for a first tournament experience. The upcoming Channahon tournament might provide a better first tournament experience.
This is a doubles tournament which means you have to have a partner. I always encourage "stag" players to show up for my doubles tournaments because we can usually connect them with another player and get them in. Usually someone will show up who pre-reged and his partner is "indisposed" or otherwise absent, or other stag players will show up.
With no rating whatsoever, you and your partner will not be able to get in on the ratings-based flight sidegame. For purposes of playing trophy-only, we would put you and your partner in the flight that seems appropriate.
@bruce_brakel:
Chris Dehaan, 13911, Am, 923
Bruce Pacey, 3240, Am, 918 ------------ 1841
I'm home now so I'll update the pre-reg on PDGA.com tomorrow.
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
928-----Curt Hake-----34746----Am
881-----Josh Goss----49191----Am-------1809
We will be in for the full $95.
Looking forward to it!!!!!!! >:D
843-----Shawn Kulhan-----27348----Am
810*-----Dan Beezie-----None----Am-----1653
*Note: Ban Beezie's rating is based on his only PDGA tournament, the Illinois State Championships.
Mike: Kelsey is in. Pre-reg will be updated in five minutes.
923--todd paraday--42900. Am
866--joe heinen--25374. Am
1789 team rank
Quote from: Sr. on August 31, 2011, 11:59:52 AM
970-Randy Moore Jr.-30974-Pro
935-Randy Moore Sr.-30166-Am
Team Rating-1905
ALL IN!
Cancel this pairing.
Just played the course this morning.
Scrambled with myself, and finished with a 62. That was playing the regular hole 27 (as a par 3) since there was no extra basket to aim for, so technically, my par was 66.
Which tree should we be aiming around on 16-17?
Also, there is only one tee box for holes 8 and 23
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The 16-17 tree is a little to the left of the straight line from 16 to 17, kind of half way out there and it is really big. There will be a sign there for the tournament.
Thnks for the heads up on 8 and 23.
951------Mike Sale---46910-----Am
902------Eric Willhite----44099------Am--------1853
Advanced Division.
Robert Walsh 4928 Am 897
Michael Walsh 10569 Am 838
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Updating as we speak...
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
819-----Scott Pitner-----30192----Am
785-----John Cleaveland-----29484----Am-----1604
I've updated the pre-reg on PDGA.com on the tour calender. I printed out scorecards tonight. Diana is baking goodies for the hula-hoop game.
There will be ten trophy baskets to give away here [quarter-toss baskets] so right now the trophy to player ratio is looking really nice! The trophies are on target to be done tomorrow night.
Anybody looking for a partner for this one? All of my buddies bailed or are playing with someone else. I was looking to play Advanced with someone. PM if you are interested.
Doug Buettgen
39332
957
Doug,
Gabe G from Sterling sent me a text looking for a partner. I can give his cell # to you if you want it. Just let me know. Kenny Glassman was looking for a partner too.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on August 03, 2011, 07:30:51 PM
Quote from: tacimala on August 03, 2011, 03:02:01 PM
So based on your edits to your original post, there is a required side game of posting on this thread on September 8th in order to remain on the pre-reg list?
Correct. If you want to reserve a spot by cashless pre-reg, I'm requiring you to reconfirm on September 8.
We're still in:
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
909-----Jake Jacobs---12984----Am
899-----Damon Short---17348---Am-------1808
Looking forward to this weekend. Currently the forecast is looking pretty awesome for Sunday. Hopefully it stays the same.
I have a feeling this will be the last event at Mokena. Looking forward to seeing the layout.
Bruce--Do you have the course information sheet that you can attach here?
I finished the Course Information sheet in booklet form last night and printed out 70 copies. I'll post the pages here when I get back to my other computer.
"So based on your edits to your original post, there is a required side game of posting on this thread on September 8th in order to remain on the pre-reg list?
Correct. If you want to reserve a spot by cashless pre-reg, I'm requiring you to reconfirm on September 8."
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
951-----Chad Nelson---30541----Am
946-----Ray Hill---------25183----Am-----1897
thanks Bruce!
Re-confirming:
Rating--Player Name---PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
819-----Scott Pitner-----30192----Am
785-----John Cleaveland-----29484----Am-----1604
Thanks Bruce!
Steven and I will be there.
Just reconfirming as required.
984-----Jason McKinney--17714----Pro
925--Brian Bazan--17861----Pro-------1909
Just a heads up, I'm currently sitting on the bench on 22 and there's a huge tree down.
I never saw anything about max entrants, there's still plenty of room right? As I stated earlier, me and my partner aren't ranked. I know it's aimed towards ranked players but we're really looking forward to this. I'm excited you guys did this here, I wish there were more events at the oaks besides the state tournament in 2007. One last question, on 16-17, is it the tree that hangs down the fairway of 16? So the hole is a big dog leg right? Thanks.
-William Pacelli
The big tree (which is actually a MONSTER tree) has a crew on it and is being removed as we speak - branches today, trunk tomorrow. It will be as cleaned up as we can get it by Sunday.
name - pdga#- AM - rating
kris linscott pdga # 39147 AM rating-950
ryan padilla pdga # 44563 AM rating-942 -1892
gabe guerrero pdga# 28440 AM rating 936
nick rapp pdga# 22865 AM rating 932 - 1868
RECONFIRMING AND ALSO ADDING A TEAM
Plenty of room for day-of sign-ups.
I will be at the course on Saturday playing disc golf and hanging out. I packed the car tonight and now i'm making cards for teams I know about.
The mando tree will have a mando sign with an arrow. It does make a dogleg right.
Confirming that Jackson Bro team will be in attendance on Sunday.
world famous faded
work
walsh brothers out
unless someone needs a partner
976----Nick Austin----34882----Pro
968----Jimmy Mac----31323----Pro
Pacelli-Nagrodski:
Don't sweat it. You're in. ;D
I'm in the same boat as Pacelli-Nagrodski. My partner and I aren't ranked, but we're looking forward to the tournament since its the course we play all the time.
Greiman / Smith
957---Doug Buettgen #39332---AM
918---Tom McManus #1276----AM
prereg and confirmation.
Bruce
I cannot make it to Mokena. I have family committments. I wanted to send you a PM to avoid any thread drift but your inbox is full. I hope to see you, Diana and whichever of the girls can make it if you are at the Homie this year. I am sure Sunday will be a good time for all. Sorry to miss it.
925 brian kevish -15038
968 not current kris hutter 18874 pro team
834 Adam Gerencher 44133
808 Aaron Studer 49423 Am Team
950-----Jon Boster--35296----Am
949-----Ben Carrescia --37483----Am-----1899
I'm at the Mokena Public Library updating pre-reg and making leaderboard cards. Everyone announced above should see their names on PDGA.com in a couple of minutes.
969--Chris Brenholtz--36149--Pro
956--Dean Bingham--25362--Am--1925
Sorry...forgot to re-verify on the 8th. We will be there.
Rating--Player Name--PDGA#--Pro/Am--Team Rating
928-----Curt Hake-----34746----Am
881-----Josh Goss----49191----Am-------1809
We will be in for the full $95.
Looking forward to it!!!!!!!
wow what a day. sooooo tired! But it was fun. I think it was full plus 3 floater groups? Well done Bruce, Diana, Kelsey, and Mike - along with anyone else who might have stepped up to help at TD central because I know how crazy it can get when you have that many players! 96 players I think, and I know there was a waiting list - did anyone get turned away at the end? That would be unfortunate, but it is what it is.
Mokena is a beautiful course - I wish the layout that we played today could be a more permanent thing. It felt a lot more like a true course where it can really separate out Am's from Pro's. The hula hoops was a cool side game - John and I enjoyed the brownies and cookies!
I would like to second what Scott said, Bruce Diana and Kelsey, along with help from Mike did an amazing job. I think about 14 people got turned away this morning. A special thanks to Bruce and Diana for putting up the money in order for this event to happen.
It would be nice to see some events out at Mokena again. The course set up was really fun and challenging.
Agreed, well done with the course layout and running the event! I never get to throw that many distance shots. It was awesome! I also would like to play more tourneys there. (Shakes fist at course fees)
We posted scores on pdga.com last night from some random McWifi hotspot on the way home. Many thanks to Diana for inputting the data while I drove. She just had an Intorduction to Excel class last week so she was practicing her new skills.
Thanks Bruce and Crew for a great event!
I don't know too many people that would pay $500 and cover all the PDGA expenses giving back 100% cash to the players. The option to play an event for $5 and having the chance to win it back is unreal! Thank you Bruce. I won 2 of the $20 cash CTP's which was sweet!
The flight format was interesting.
The course was sweet! I threw more long range drives yesterday than I do in a week. I threw more rollers yesterday than I have all year. Great variety and some great par 4's. Steven's drive on hole #1 to #2 was one of the best drives i've EVER seen. Parked!!!!!
Weather was perfect. Great event.
The money we gave back was basically recaptured non-redemption from the Illinois Open Series merch we accumulated when I was the merchmeister. We [Diana and I] finished our involvement in the Series with a pile of discs and hole of debt. We filled in the debt hole and got back to zero by selling discs, and that made us very happy. Then when we had that $1000 night of sales at the CCR Flymart, we wanted to do something for the IOS players that no one else could do.
The trophy parts were a Christmas gift from Kelsey to me in 2008. I did the assembly. Turning all those tiny screw eyes into the rubber parts and prying open the chain links is work. My finger tips still hurt. It takes me about two hours to make one of those baskets and I get $50 per hour for part-time work, so each one of those is a $100 trophy! >:D
I was floored by the promotional efforts of the Mokena Park District. I really don't think PDGA tournaments with the $10 fee are a good value for non-members, so you saw me on this message board trying to gently shoo away non-members. Typing in address data for 44 non-members is going to be like typing up a phone book.
Scores are up but the TD report may be delayed!
Did the three floaters work out o.k. for flow? The course seemed big enough. At the Michigan States we played a stupid short course with three floaters and it worked out fine, so I ignored Kelsey's advice (NOOOO FLOATERS!!!) and set up the leaderboard for the three floater scenario.
The 2nd round seemed to flow pretty good. We only waited on a few holes. We were backed up the first round but that had nothing to do with floaters. The groud ahead played pretty slow and there was an open hole ahead of them.
On behalf of Mokena Park DIstrict I hope you don't mind if I weigh in. Bruce and family did an awesome job. About the fees - those were set up many moons ago by previous administrations. I am the new Superintendant of Recreation (1 1/2 yrs), I also have a new (for your purposes) Athletic Supervisor, and the Park District has a new Executive Director as of May. In the process of working with Bruce re: the Big D we were made aware of some things that happened in the past that soured the professional disc golf community on the Park Dsitrict. I have also been doing some research on how other courses, park districts, etc. handle tournaments and leagues. So please accept this olive branch - it's time to put the stuff that happened a few years ago behind us and move forward. We are very very open to discussions about more tournaments ( I think the norm or a reasonable fee might be in the realm of a couple of dollars per registrant instead of a flat ginormous fee) and leagues. My contact info is Mary Beth Windberg, mwindberg@mokenapark.com. My office phone is (708) 390-2409. I would like to re-open lines of communication with the disc golf community. That course is too nice not to be used to its fullest.
Mary Beth-
You are more than welcome to chime in here. I agree it is a great course and is a shame to not be used. It was good to speak with you at the event on Sunday and I hope that we can we work on getting an event planned there next year. Good luck on your ace race in a couple of weeks.
btw It was great seeing that the park district promptly took care of the downed tree last week. That was very much appreciated.
I would add that the park district did a nice job of painting all the tees so there was no confusion about the color of the tees, woodchipping around the muddier basket areas, cleaning up after the fallen tree on 22, raking up the trashy flotsam that accumulates around tees, fixing the wobbly bridge and doing all the other sprucing up things that they did. I feel like the park use fee was spent on the course. Sometimes we have not had that feeling after spending $2 a player X 200 players for a well attended IOS.
Congrats on the big turnout.
Judging by some comments on facebook, it sounds like some of the ADV Am's were confused on how the payout structure was going to work.
Quote from: MaryBeth on September 12, 2011, 09:44:48 AM
On behalf of Mokena Park DIstrict I hope you don't mind if I weigh in. Bruce and family did an awesome job. About the fees - those were set up many moons ago by previous administrations. I am the new Superintendant of Recreation (1 1/2 yrs), I also have a new (for your purposes) Athletic Supervisor, and the Park District has a new Executive Director as of May. In the process of working with Bruce re: the Big D we were made aware of some things that happened in the past that soured the professional disc golf community on the Park Dsitrict. I have also been doing some research on how other courses, park districts, etc. handle tournaments and leagues. So please accept this olive branch - it's time to put the stuff that happened a few years ago behind us and move forward. We are very very open to discussions about more tournaments ( I think the norm or a reasonable fee might be in the realm of a couple of dollars per registrant instead of a flat ginormous fee) and leagues. My contact info is Mary Beth Windberg, mwindberg@mokenapark.com. My office phone is (708) 390-2409. I would like to re-open lines of communication with the disc golf community. That course is too nice not to be used to its fullest.
This is bar far some of the best news I think the disc golf community in this part of Illinois has heard all year! The course definitely looked in great shape, and I could tell there were many players hungry to play a competitive round at Mokena again. Thank you Mary Beth!
Quote from: dana on September 12, 2011, 10:54:07 AM
Congrats on the big turnout.
Judging by some comments on facebook, it sounds like some of the ADV Am's were confused on how the payout structure was going to work.
I'm not on Facebook. If anyone has questions, I'd be happy to answer them here.
We went with more than ten teams in each flight because we took in more than 40 teams. We put all the unrated teams in the fourth flight because there was no fair way to assign any of them to any higher flight. Payouts were posted all day along with how many of each kind of player in each flight. The flight each team was in was shown on their leaderboard card on the visible portion of the card. So with eleven teams in each of the top three flights, we paid five in the top flight straight off the posted payout chart. In the second flight and third flight there were half-ins and trophy-onlies that complicated matters and reduced the number paid. Obviously you can't pay 5 of 11 when only four participated! Anyone who played for half and cashed, took half. Anyone who played for full took full or more. All of the declined halves were paid according to the Half-in rules with one caveat: There was an ambiguity about trophy-onlies since they have never been in the Half-in pools before. In the third pool where we were paying 2 of 4, and they finished TO, TO, 1/2, Full, in that order, I skipped the two trophy-onlies and paid third and and fourth.
In the second pool I originally calculated the half-in adjusted payouts thinking that the third place team was trophy-only. Then I saw that their card had been mismarked and then corrected in my own handwriting showing that they were half-in. So I had to re-re-do that payout to conform to reality. That bumped a team out of the payouts.
This probably answers all the questions out there, and I could post more if anyone wanted to ask me anything.
I have no idea on Facebook where those comments are, but I'm going to guess the questions may have been more with the fact that there was no Pro/Am distinction in the flighted side game.
Here:
Quote...Todays tournament was pretty cool.. for anyone above or below a 940-950.. we took 4th in our division of all the am players, but the pros got everybodys money.. something about different flights.. which was really the players from both divisions rating's averaged out.. how does that even make sense to have two totally different divisions, but the payouts from advanced players went to the open players and the lower rated players.. how is that legit?
Quotethat was some bullshit i signed up for am ripped it up and got nothing ____ bruse brakle worst tournament ever but i had a great time giving my 50 buck to the pros
Quoteya it was awesome.. lets just take the good advanced players who signed up for advanced.. and make them shoot doubles against the pros and not tell them about it til the end when all the money is given away.. great tactic for pissing people off.. the pros are probably real happy.. they just got all our money. but 4th place got nothing.. thats understandable.. but people worse than us got paid out.. stupid
That's why I'm not on Facebook!
Sounds like this event was a blast! Pretty bummed Case and I did not get to participate.
I know it takes a lot of work to run a tournament especially a huge one like this with a unique course layout and it seems like you did an amazing job at it. If I may offer one tiny bit of criticism on the cashless pre-reg. Case and I showed up about 9:10 (we took a wrong turn on the way) - Five minutes before the players meeting and were turned away because the field was full even though we had cashless pre-registered. I completely understand the reasoning behind this in the idea that you have no idea if a cashless pre reg will show up and you want to go with a guaranteed player that is present.
My tiny criticism is that cashless pre registrations were never told if they did not check in by 8:45am that their spots would be given away to other players. I certainly take full responsibility for assuming that if we were there before the players meeting we were good to go and that is totally my fault, but at the same time I think a little disclaimer sentence in your original posting about pre reg spots being given away after 8:45am would have helped us out a lot. Had Case and I known our spot would be up for grabs after 8:45, we would have planned to be there much, much earlier.
Thanks for listening and Congrats on a great tournament!
Quote from: MaryBeth on September 12, 2011, 09:44:48 AM
On behalf of Mokena Park DIstrict I hope you don't mind if I weigh in. Bruce and family did an awesome job. About the fees - those were set up many moons ago by previous administrations. I am the new Superintendant of Recreation (1 1/2 yrs), I also have a new (for your purposes) Athletic Supervisor, and the Park District has a new Executive Director as of May. In the process of working with Bruce re: the Big D we were made aware of some things that happened in the past that soured the professional disc golf community on the Park Dsitrict. I have also been doing some research on how other courses, park districts, etc. handle tournaments and leagues. So please accept this olive branch - it's time to put the stuff that happened a few years ago behind us and move forward. We are very very open to discussions about more tournaments ( I think the norm or a reasonable fee might be in the realm of a couple of dollars per registrant instead of a flat ginormous fee) and leagues. My contact info is Mary Beth Windberg, mwindberg@mokenapark.com. My office phone is (708) 390-2409. I would like to re-open lines of communication with the disc golf community. That course is too nice not to be used to its fullest.
Welcome to the site Mary Beth. Looking forward to seeing an event there next year. The park is looking great.
The only suggestion I have for the course is trimming the top portion of the rough on blue tee #3. It's been a few years since i've played and you used to be able to see the basket from the tee.
Case and Sayer, I'm sorry you guys did not get in. Bruce actually waited until 9:00am. For any tournament, even if you pre-register with cold hard cash, you must checkin during the registration/check-in period. Even with a paid pre-registration, if you do not show up by the end of the checkin time you can lose your spot and be considered a no-show with refunds being paid soley at the TDs discretion. Once checkin is done, the TD needs to make sure that there are sufficient players on each hole, make scorecards, etc. In the case of the doubles event, we needed to make sure that there were two doubles teams on each card. For singles events, we cannot put players on a card hoping that they might show up. This is all done before the players' meeting so that once the meeting is done, everyone can start playing rather than waiting around again. Showing up at the last minute makes things difficult for the TD and can delay the entire event.
What Mike said. I thought that by specifying in the very first post that check-in was from 7:45 to 8:45 it was clear enough because the Competition Manual provides,
"1.4( B ). Any player who does not check-in by the time specified by the TD shall forfeit their official place and entry fee. Exceptions will be made only at the sole discretion of the Tournament Director."
I'm truly sorry we could not get you in. I know how disappointing that is.
Speaking of payouts...
We (Greiman / Smith) got a call from our partners that apparently we had won something. I fully expect that we forfeited the money when we ducked out right away afterwards, but I'm curious. What did we win?
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 12, 2011, 05:37:24 PM
What Mike said. I thought that by specifying in the very first post that check-in was from 7:45 to 8:45 it was clear enough because the Competition Manual provides,
"1.4( B ). Any player who does not check-in by the time specified by the TD shall forfeit their official place and entry fee. Exceptions will be made only at the sole discretion of the Tournament Director."
I'm truly sorry we could not get you in. I know how disappointing that is.
That is my mistake for not knowing exactly what the Competition Manual provides, and I take full responsibility for not knowing that. Definitely a learning experience for me, and something I will keep in mind moving forward. I appreciate you guys waiting until 9:00am, that was not necessary, but you did it anyway and I thank you for that. Once again, congratulations on a successfully run tournament.
haha, I like having that brush on blue #3 and unable to see the basket.... said the leftie that threw the easy hyzer route ;)
It's unfortunate that people complained about the flights, I guess that's expected whenever it's a brand new concept. There's always going to be confusion to some degree.
From Bruce's original post to this thread:
QuoteOptional Flight Awards. The field will be divided into four equal sized flights sorted by combined team rating. You may enter the Flight Awards game at $80 per team or $40 Half-In per team using IOS Half-in rules. Assuming a full field with full participation, the top four teams in each flight will receive a graduated payout.
It doesn't mention anything about separated by divisions. I know earlier in the thread it says that if someone signs up that is over 970 they have to sign up as a pro team - not sure how that plays in other than how it gets reported to the PDGA. I'm guessing that's where the confusion came in.
I also know that since flight 4 was all of the non-members, that made it not an equal size to the other 3 flights (which is why there were a ton of flight 4 ctp's out there). Subtract the non member groups, divide the rest by 3, and there's your 3 flights. All of the registration cards were marked with what flight you were in. Did the person that "ripped it up" win any of the CTP's? There were plenty of ways to win some cash.
Bruce - do you have the numbers as far as what flights had what values for combined PDGA ratings? Maybe for flight 3 you shouldn't include me and John since we were probably combined to be 100 points lower than the next lowest group ;) You almost need to do 2 sets of flight numbers - one set for who qualifies for the ctp's, another set that excludes the trophy only. That would have just made things that much more confusing!
Diana and I played the tournament on Saturday and I took that lefty hyzer route on 3 the second round. It seemed to me that the lefty hyzer route forced a drive to go screaming into the 8 tee area before hyzering, but I could be mistaken. So I am curious if not cutting those bushes might create a safety issue. Maybe the lefties and righty forehand players who played the course when it was busy could comment on whether they were throwing at the 8 tee area.
With the flight split, my intention was to have four equal flights with the unrated teams in the bottom flight. Since I was not promoting the tournament to first-time tournament players, it did not occur to me that more than a few unrated teams would show up. So naturally the inconceivable contingency occurred. When it became clear after 15 minutes of registration that the last flight was going to be almost all unrated teams, I started explaining the flight game a little differently, pointing out that the fourth flight would probably be all the unrated teams. I thought 11-11-11-15, with all 15 unrated teams together was in keeping with the original intent of the game, and was not that much different from 12-12-12-12, and less inherently unfair to the three unrated teams that otherwise would have been randomly moved to the next higher flight.
What really makes me sad is that the team that is complaining had the flight game explained to them thoroughly. They asked questions indicating that they understood that they might be in the bottom of flight 1 or top of flight 2. And I confirmed that there would be no way to know until we sorted the leaderboard by ratings. I suggested that if they were not comfortable with the uncertainty, they could simply decide not to play that sidegame. They went and had a team meeting to decide whether to get in. Their Facebook posts suggest that they did not understand the game and that simply is not true. I suppose the bright side is that if I run this tournament again, I won't see them again. :wub:
It's a new concept though, so to be fair, hearing and fully understanding everything may be two different things.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 13, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
Their Facebook posts suggest that they did not understand the game and that simply is not true. I suppose the bright side is that if I run this tournament again, I won't see them again. :wub:
Some people always need an excuse when they don't play well.
Quote from: Bruce Brakel on September 13, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
Diana and I played the tournament on Saturday and I took that lefty hyzer route on 3 the second round. It seemed to me that the lefty hyzer route forced a drive to go screaming into the 8 tee area before hyzering, but I could be mistaken. So I am curious if not cutting those bushes might create a safety issue. Maybe the lefties and righty forehand players who played the course when it was busy could comment on whether they were throwing at the 8 tee area.
I played with a long throwing lefty on that hole. He went right down that gap next to #8's tee. He made sure to notifly the group on that tee. He made 2 really nice shots but any bad hit would have bounced right on them. I would trim that rough up and make a fair route. It doesn't need to be clear cut but it does need to be trimmed.