The beginning of FA seems as good a time as any to start the seasonal thread.
Bears traded Miami 2 3rd round picks for WR Brandon Marshall. great move! now they trying to get LB Mario Williams from Houston!
Brandon Marshall to the Bears? He wasn't even really in the discussion and they couldn't have really gotten a better option considering how good he is as well as the relationship with Cutler. Pretty good start to FA for the Bears if it does go through and not something I'm happy for as a Lions fan.
Wow, I'm loving this new GM! And hating Jerry Angelo even more for not pulling off a move like this 2 years ago. I think Marshall has a chance to be a 1200 yd 10 TD guy in this offense.
I agree with both of ya's for once! ;) Cutler to Marshall will be heard alot, just as they did in Denver.
Bad news for the Bears.
Bears signed Jason Campbell to back up Cutler. At least we have something better than Caleb Hanie now.
Marshall's stats the last 3 years.
101 rec 1120 yds 10 TD
86 rec 1014 yds 3 TD
81 rec 1214 yds 6 TD
Those numbers are pretty substantial, especially when you consider the offenses he played in those years. He'll still just 28 yr old. He'll make $9M/yr through 2014 before becoming a free agent. Not a bad deal for the Bears. V Jax is getting $13M/yr from the Bucs.
Obviously we'll have to see how these legal allegations play out. The Bears were fully aware of it when they made the trade. Who knows what the hell happened. Given his past, I'm sure he's less than 100% innocent. Worst case as far as the Bears are concerned, Marshall gets suspended by the NFL for a few games.
So who is Oakland's QB then if Campbell is gone? Are they keeping old man Palmer?
why not? he played pretty good for that terrible team. McFadden stays healthy, Palmer wont have to throw as much!
He had a ton of interceptions and McFadden has never stayed healthy so that's a lot of ifs! I don't really care about the west that much, just surprised I guess.
They gave up 2 first round picks for Carson Palmer, so they are pretty much married to him for the forseeable future. It must be great to be a Raider fan.
Manning will be a Bronco. see ya later Tebow! I hope he gets traded to the Bears! ;)
Manning to Denver? Craziness! Who would have ever predicted this after Tebow's miracle against the Steelers last year? I can't believe Tebow Magic is coming to such an abrupt end. Denver becomes a monstrous favorite to take the AFC West next year.
I'm not sure why the acquisition of Manning has to be the end of tebow in Denver. You've got a hall of famer QB coming in to a team who has a great athlete of a young QB. Tebow needs some work to be a great QB. He's got a great career ahead of him. Manning has a few years left in his career. Keep them both. Imagine how great Tebow can be after working with Manning for three or four years. Sure worked out well for Aaron Rogers!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on March 19, 2012, 12:28:36 PM
I'm not sure why the acquisition of Manning has to be the end of tebow in Denver. You've got a hall of famer QB coming in to a team who has a great athlete of a young QB. Tebow needs some work to be a great QB. He's got a great career ahead of him. Manning has a few years left in his career. Keep them both. Imagine how great Tebow can be after working with Manning for three or four years. Sure worked out well for Aaron Rogers!
I don't think you can compare Rodgers to Tebow or Tebow to any other pro style quarterback in the NFL. Tebow should have never been a first round pick. Rodgers was considered the number 1 pick in the draft and luckily fell to the Packers. I think Urlacher was right when he said Tebow was a good running back, or something to that effect.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on March 19, 2012, 12:28:36 PM
I'm not sure why the acquisition of Manning has to be the end of tebow in Denver. You've got a hall of famer QB coming in to a team who has a great athlete of a young QB. Tebow needs some work to be a great QB. He's got a great career ahead of him. Manning has a few years left in his career. Keep them both. Imagine how great Tebow can be after working with Manning for three or four years. Sure worked out well for Aaron Rogers!
I agree. Whatever you think of Tebow he seems like a kid who is willing to put his ego in check and learn from a guy like Manning. For a couple of years he will sit next to him at meetings, watch film with him, see how he thinks and picks apart a defense. You cannot find a better apprenticeship program. Also, Tebow is going to get a chance to play as the odds of Manning playing every down are slim. Tebow's best chance of becoming a real quarterback are to stay where he is and soak in as much as he can. I think he knows that. His goofy fans...I am sure they think he should start over Manning. ???
Tebow's goofy fans think he should be starting ahead of Jesus! If Tebow is a humble guy he would go to Elway and ask him to keep him on with Manning. Tom I'm not saying that working with Manning would turn Tebow into Rogers but maybe it would help him be as good as Rex Grossman. Imagine Tebow with the fair to midland quarterback skills of a Rex Grossman but paired with Tebow's impressive athletic skills. Then Tebow could have a great career!
Quote from: Jon Brakel on March 19, 2012, 01:35:29 PM
Tebow's goofy fans think he should be starting ahead of Jesus! If Tebow is a humble guy he would go to Elway and ask him to keep him on with Manning. Tom I'm not saying that working with Manning would turn Tebow into Rogers but maybe it would help him be as good as Rex Grossman. Imagine Tebow with the fair to midland quarterback skills of a Rex Grossman but paired with Tebow's impressive athletic skills. Then Tebow could have a great career!
I am not sure about the great career, but I agree with everything else.
Elway already said if Manning signs, we are trading Tebow! that's the right move. let him go fail somewhere else.
Elway was not lying! Tebow traded to the Jets!
Sean Peyton suspended all season, Saints lost 2, 2nd rd picks, and Greg Williams is suspended indefinitly. Why weren't penalties this harsh on the Patriots for getting caught cheating??
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 21, 2012, 11:35:49 AM
Elway was not lying! Tebow traded to the Jets!
Sean Peyton suspended all season, Saints lost 2, 2nd rd picks, and Greg Williams is suspended indefinitly. Why weren't penalties this harsh on the Patriots for getting caught cheating??
#1, Player safety is THE hot button issue in the NFL right now if you have not already noticed.
The Saints dug themselves into a deep hole by trying to cover it up during the 3 year investigation. I'd be willing to bet that Payton would have only been suspended for 4-8 games if they admitted it 3 years ago instead of encouraging everyone to participate in the cover-up.
Also, the fact that they continued the bounty program during the investigation did not help their case.
Even if the NFL had no rules, a bounty for injuring someone is still morally wrong. Compared with stealing someone's calls. Without rules stealing calls is just being "clever". That's the difference to me. One is morally reprehensible whereas the other one is just simple cheating.
Quote from: Jon Brakel on March 22, 2012, 08:46:37 AM
Even if the NFL had no rules, a bounty for injuring someone is still morally wrong.
Although I am not an attorney or any legal expert whatsoever, I am pretty sure it is illegal as well. I wonder if any state attorney or another government entity is planning to pursue criminal charges.
From my POV this is very similar to someone paying a hitman or thug or whatever to hurt/kill another person.
We are talking about football.
I heard on ESPN that the injured players have every right to sue the ones that hit them, so this may be far from over for those guilty ones?
Cheating is wrong either way you look at it, stealing plays, or reverting to such cheap tactics as these. hurting players with hits is cheating all the same. you can't beat a team, so injure their players, then we can beat them! dont get me wrong, the Saints are getting what they deserve, but cheating and getting caught deserved more than just a $500,000 fine! thats my opinion anyway!
but maybe this is a good thing. will give that ass of a commisioner some other team to look at for violent hits other than just the team from Pittsburgh! ;D
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 22, 2012, 12:19:25 PM
I heard on ESPN that the injured players have every right to sue the ones that hit them, so this may be far from over for those guilty ones?
Cheating is wrong either way you look at it, stealing plays, or reverting to such cheap tactics as these. hurting players with hits is cheating all the same. you can't beat a team, so injure their players, then we can beat them! dont get me wrong, the Saints are getting what they deserve, but cheating and getting caught deserved more than just a $500,000 fine! thats my opinion anyway!
Think of it in disc golf disciplinary terms. If you get caught changing your score card to report a lower score than you know you threw and it gets reported to the pdga you are looking at a year probation or three months suspension. If you chop down a tree on a course (not as part of officially sanctioned maintenance) you will probably, based on historical data, get suspended for 5 or 10 years.
how many years did they cheat before being caught? No one really knows. all of their SB's may have been during the cheating years?
I wouldn't pencil whip anyone at anytime, and I don't carry an axe or chainsaw, so I am good there. ;D
we could go back and forth on this until you quit, but I wont. If the idiot is going to discipline anyone to make his name or whatever, it should have been done against the cheaters is all I am saying. they cheated the fans of every team they played, not just the Jets. It is a mans sport and it is violent if they are paid to hit you to hurt you, or not. I have seen several times people on here say for the money, for the money. we all know how greedy these millionaires can be (coughs Pujols, coughs) they are offered MO money, no matter what it is someone will take the bait.
again, I am not trying to say what the Saints did was okay by any means, cause yes it is dispicable, I just thought that cheating, and getting caught red handed, would have had more of a penalty than what it did.
I still think the Saints will be right there in the playoffs again, fighting for the NFC title, head coach or not.
There's only so many times a man that has done everything he's been asked to do can be disrespected! Guess the GOOD GUYS do finish last....
Man, Forte has to be one :angry9: mother trucker! he was franchised at I think a little over 7MIL. The Bears just signed Michael Bush from Oakland to a 4yr deal for like 14MIL is what the radio said on way home tonight! RBBC in Chicgao?
sorry Tom, but I have to ask. I didn't really understand your post. whatt good guys finish last??
jasonc hit the nail on the head. The cover-up and in-your-face lying to Commissioner Goodell is what accounted for the harsh penalty for the coaching staff. Payton by most accounts is a good guy, and I believe that, but in this case he dug his own grave and nobody should be feeling sorry for him. The NFL knows he's not the only one handing out monetary rewards for big hits. Had he come clean immediately and expressed regret, I truly believe the penalty would have been less than half of what it ended up being.
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 22, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
sorry Tom, but I have to ask. I didn't really understand your post. whatt good guys finish last??
Tom's post was Matt Forte's first twitter post today I heard on the radio.
Quote from: Steven Jacobs on March 22, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: pdga#7648 on March 22, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
sorry Tom, but I have to ask. I didn't really understand your post. whatt good guys finish last??
Tom's post was Matt Forte's first twitter post today I heard on the radio.
Ha. I stopped feeling bad for Matt Forte a long time ago. It'd be nice if the 'market value' for him was what he thinks it is, but its not. Sorry Matt, take your $7.7M franchise tag or the $15M guaranteed you were offered, and shut the hell up. If you want to hold out, feel free to do so. If you wanted more money and a longer career, you should have been a QB or a WR. So sick of hearing this guy feel sorry for himself. Its like a disc golfer who can't shut up about the putts he had spit out.
I think the Packers will take a linebacker/defensive end in the first round. They need to improve their pass rush.
Any idea on who the Bears will/should take?
OL? With the 19th pick it is so hard to say. If there's a top 10 pick out there that just happened to trickle down to 19th I think they might take him no matter what the position.
Junior Seau's suicide reminded me of this article I read last year.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7559458/cte-concussion-crisis-economic-look-end-football (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7559458/cte-concussion-crisis-economic-look-end-football)
The notion of football leaving the mainstream seems less unlikely as these occurrences become more frequent. I read that 8 members of the 1994 Chargers Super Bowl team are already dead. Ridiculous.
I think the survival of full contact football will depend on whether our culture evolves or devolves. Most states have banned most forms of animal combat. It is ironic that we continue to allow many forms of human combat. I guess we think more highly of our dogs and chickens than we do of the people we pay to entertain us by maiming each other.
I quit following boxing years ago because I thought it was exploitive of the men who participate. Within the last couple of years I've been developing the same conviction about football.
I think technology might be able to save people from head injuries. They could phase out body tackles and only allow arm tackles. They could make uniforms that are easier to grab onto. I've heard that some schools are teaching arm tackling over body tackles. I'd think it would have to be a league wide rule change at whatever level they play. I think football can be saved between technology advances and rule changes. I used to be against the rule changes to protect players but I'm starting to think that its the right thing to do.