The Oaks-Mokena Park District's course is finally open to the public! The signage and parking lot are not complete but the course is open for public play. Parking is temporarily located at Main Park (10925 La Porte Road). Please park in the tennis court lot. After exiting your car, walk straight through the football field and enter the course at the temporary entrance located south of the maintence garage.
If you have any questions or inquiries please call or stop in the Park Office. The phone number is 708-479-1020. Please dial extension 16.
Hope to see everyone out on the course soon!
Sincerely,
Laura McNellis
cool :D
who wants to play here ?
tuesday dec 23 2003
9 am to noon
reporter from daily southtown
and photographer will be there around 10
to interview yours truely
Have a good time. Due to work commitments, I'll be sleeping from 9a-?. I hope you get a good crowd! I wish I could join in the excitement.
going out here around 9 ish on tues
Great Mike!
THANKS Laura!
Wish I could be there; have to work. I look forward to playing here soon!
all went well
well, give us the details!
=)
Yes, Airspuds....details please. This is a forum of words. ;)
look for article to run in sunday daily southtown
played a couple holes with
reporter and photographer
as did troy
no one else out there until they left
then 4 guys showed up
little muddy played several of the hole s but due to time constraints
had to get home to get ready for holidays
course was 20 minutes 20 miles from house
we'll have to see how the photos come out
the reporter (jennifer ____) i ll find the name later
was very nice and didnt mind getting muddy
pretty cold also
ill be back in town on sunday
ill scan and email article for you all up north who dont get it
the paper that is
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/yr...st/281swyt2.htm (http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/yrtwn/swest/281swyt2.htm)
"hey dad i made the newspaper and its not the police blotter"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
just got online version
daily southtown doesnt get as far south as mattoon
so i have not seen the printed version
bad link
will check
Worked fine for me.
Nice, Mikey! You didn't even lie about your age!
actually
it should be years young
heheheheheheheheheheh
nice paste u can tell i shaved
if you do
an acheive search on the daily southtown site
its lists terms about disc
credited to disccontiuum
you're right! how cool! we're getting more press than i thought!
early sat am
900 am ish
Hey I want some feedback on the course. Do you like it. I know holes 19 and 20 are still not installed and the signage is not either, but how is the layout and course? We are thinking of building a pond in the spring, but are there any other ideas that would make the course better? Please respond!!!
scorecard
pic
thats the signature hole
hole 13
cool
first try with camera
Fantastic Pics Mike!!!! Can't wait to play this course. My favorite baskets, new MachIII"s.
Is this a Gary Lewis project? If so, could you get him to move up to Northern IL for a few years.
Woo-hoo! That looks EXCELLENT!
Who's interested in making a weekend road-trip near the end of January?
slowly getting hang of posting
sorry about spelling scorecard wrong
with the camera i took pics of the tee signs and some of the holes
i got like 3 - 4 good shots out of the bunch i took (about 35 pics)
must get bigger flash card, rechargeable batteries,
carrying case
i will try to crop down the pics
any other thoughts
there are several carvings going on
tiki s and such
QuoteFantastic Pics Mike!!!! Can't wait to play this course. My favorite baskets, new MachIII"s.
Is this a Gary Lewis project? If so, could you get him to move up to Northern IL for a few years.
Where do you think Gary does his courses? ALL of them are in Northern Illinois! If you look at a map PEORIA is even in Northern Illinois. I thought it was only Chicagoans who referred to anything south of Chicago as "down state"! :)
any one got any ideas on an airial map
or topographical map
QuoteWhere do you think Gary does his courses? ALL of them are in Northern Illinois! If you look at a map PEORIA is even in Northern Illinois. I thought it was only Chicagoans who referred to anything south of Chicago as "down state"! :)
Well, when you grow up in true Central Illinois around the Bloomington/Normal Area, you consider Chicago to be in Northern Illinois. Since I now live North of Chicago, the Joliet area is more like South Chicago rather then Northern Illinois. Considering it takes the same travel time from both to get to Joliet, I guess there's no difference. What i'm really trying to say, Gary come up near the Illinois/Wisconsin border & get a championship calibur course installed. Please :D . Mad props to Gary. I have no clue how he does it but he must have some magic to get so many park districts to put courses in.
mike, try
http://terraserver-usa.com/ (http://terraserver-usa.com/)
another good one is
USGS Geography: Viewing USGS Maps and Aerial Photo Images Online
but costs money
QuoteWoo-hoo! That looks EXCELLENT!
Who's interested in making a weekend road-trip near the end of January?
I'm thinking of checking this out this Saturday 1/17. Noonish.
Supposed to be 40+ degrees.
Or I could go to Parkside. About the same distance for me.
friday nite vollyball
market day on sat
sun bowling might get to play before
mon girl scout outing to house of blues
tues off might take kid to see lord of rings
did u see the score card ?
Quote
I'm thinking of checking this out this Saturday 1/17. Noonish.
Supposed to be 40+ degrees.
Or I could go to Parkside. About the same distance for me.
well, so much for long-term weather forecasts...
If this ice storm is as predicted, I'm not going anywhere this Saturday except to the park to throw when the sleet finally stops.
should finally make it up to League on Sunday though. Jim, will you be there/ have my Roc?
http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.c...linkon=category (http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.cfm?dest=dir&linkid=4&linkon=category)
disc golf camp
opinions ?
Sweet
Anyone interested in checking the course out this Saturday 3/6?
if it's not too rainy...
This is going to be a GREAT course.
Two holes still aren't in yet, and the signage isn't up; I played 25 with a local, otherwise I'd have been clueless.
Played from the middle tees, which are plenty long enough, but a # of birdie/ace runs at that length. (had one deuce, blew about 3 others.) Trees everywhere but not exactly tight, although many protected pins. Lots of lefty/anhyzer holes; largely designed by Steve Matul (lefty) and Roy Carey (lots of forehands), I understand, but there are routes for righties on most holes.
Couple of weird fairway crossings though, which could be nasty when it's crowded. Should be gorgeous in the summer when the leaves grow in; pretty sloppy right now. Creek runs through in several places which will really come into play after heavy rains.
I was expecting a few tight woods holes but there aren't any, unless they're the 2 holes not up yet. Course reminds me a little of Bradley in Peoria if anything.
Well worth a trip - it's actually closer than Parkside for me ;)
Can't wait to play this course!!
Here's a link to the park district.
http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.c...ection&linkid=9 (http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.cfm?dest=itempg&itemid=3058&secid=9&linkon=section&linkid=9)
looks like
grand opening may 1 2004
Where do I begin? This place is awesome & it's not done yet!! Sorry for the rambling. There is so much words cannot explain.
Here is the description on the PDGA Page for Mokena. Whomever designed the course did a fantastic job and this description is perfect->
Well designed - winding through giant oaks with a few wide open holes and a few extremely tight and bending fairways with bushes on either side. Overall - great variety with attention paid to target placement.
So here are my thoughts.
Right now, the parking lot is not done so there is a pretty good hike to get to the course. Once the parking lot is done, it will be much easier to get to hole#1
The course is not finished yet. There are 2 holes that don't have baskets and the tee signs are not done. I would suggest waiting until the course in completely done so you can enjoy everything this course has to offer. It was rather difficult to navigate without the signs. It was also very muddy.
Now I see why it's call "The Oaks". Man, I was confused most of the day trying to figure out where I was in the park.
Few holes-> Wide Open & Long
Few holes-> Tight with some rough
Most holes-> Playing between & under the huge Oaks.
There were places that had tons of leaves on the ground. I can't imagine how it's going to be in the fall. There are going to be leaves knee deep :o
I played the Blue Tees(Long). The pros are going to love this course. I could not reach many of the holes. That's not saying much but there were a ton of 300+ holes. Many 350+ The PDGA Directory has 10 holes over 300. I'm assuming that was the distcance from the middle tees. I'd guess half of the Pro tees are over 300.
Actually, here is a link with that info.
http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.c...ction&linkid=68 (http://www.mokenapark.com/mokena/catalog.cfm?dest=itempg&itemid=3243&secid=68&linkon=section&linkid=68)
Tees-> Rubber
They were installed perfectly. Very level.
Many holes have 3 tees, some 2, & others 1.
Baskets-> Mach 5 with yellow # rack. At least we knew what basket it was :D .
Some players may not like that this course because it does not have defined fairways and rough. There are very few places with rough that will casue you to take a bogey after a bad drive. There is a ton of land in this park. It is HUGE. The pro length is 8,840. There is some good elevation in areas with some great basket placements.
I'd like to know who designed & installed the course. There are a ton of foot bridges and other work that was done. It's amazing and too hard to explain. It had to take a small army to get that stuff done. Hats off to those involved. This is the best Northern IL course by far.
I visited THE OAKS yesterday and played a wonderful round of disc. I agree with Damon's and Brett's critiques. BEAUTIFUL COURSE! After three holes, it became my 2nd favorite course. A lot of people put a lot of work into this huge piece of land. The trees are ancient; the whole place has this peaceful, flowing feeling to it.
However, a few fairways are pretty close to each other; on a busy day, there might be some errant shots landing on teepads. Some aceable holes; most have at least 2 tee placements, and many of those change the shot completely. WONDERFUL! Highly recommended!!!
http://photos.yahoo.com/airspuds@sbcglobal.net (http://photos.yahoo.com/airspuds@sbcglobal.net)
early mokena pics
so are there signs up yet? easy to find my way around?
thinking about going this coming sat. april 24
dana_vicich@hotmail.com
i think if you start at 22
thats the best flow
Hi, i love this course. I just moved from ottawa into this area for college and i just found THe Oaks disk golf course. This course is better then any I have seen. It has its challenges between trees and nice long holes. I like how the area was utilized for the course. I shot a few eagles and a ton of birdies but my rounds were not without the disappointing bogies. I like the course and the benches are a nice touch. Any word on when the sines are going to be up on the course? I have almost an exact picture on 13 also as the above pic. I like that hole. I think of it as the "course hole" Thanks for the adventures. Likely to play many holes this summer. Later Travis Barnes
I played the Oaks yesterday. I believe all but (2) signs were in. It was early afternoon and there were about (4) other groups playing. This course layout makes for a slow pace in places because of cutting back against the grain to reach next tees. I loved the amount of work that went into this and the holes were fun to play. I have a feeling that if it gets busy it could require a hardhat to play safely ;)
course played great today
lots of work being done due to a couple of downed trees
it was a nice warm up for saturday (lumber cup)
it appears that on 7/10 and 7/17 its T players only
the course will be closed to the non paying public
lots of signs stating this
me and mark played this friday i didn't the course was that great.. i thought it would be a alot better.. the lay out was bad got lost a few times and some holes go make sense other then that it was ok i would go back
Quoteme and mark played this friday i didn't the course was that great.. i thought it would be a alot better.. the lay out was bad got lost a few times and some holes go make sense other then that it was ok i would go back
if any1 can make ANY sense out of this let me know
lol
QuoteQuoteme and mark played this friday i didn't the course was that great.. i thought it would be a alot better.. the lay out was bad got lost a few times and some holes go make sense other then that it was ok i would go back
if any1 can make ANY sense out of this let me know
This is my translation into English:
Mark and I played Mokena on Friday and I didn't think the course was great. I thought it would have been better. The layout was bad and we got lost a few times. The flow of the course makes sense in some areas but not in others. Other than that we had a fine time and I would go back to play there again sometime.
Your interpretation may vary.
i think he is saying that disc golf is awesome and he can't wait to play the Illinois Open Series Finale at Fairfield Park in Round Lake! August 28-29, Come on out and play Advanced!!!!
lol i plan on going in eddie goes to round lake.. cause i can't do anything without eddie
yeah, you two are like the ambiguously gay duo... :P
nice day to play this
6 birds 4 bogies
home by noon
Glow T on Sat 10/23/04
info on park district web site
QuoteMokena is nice. It would still be nice to have a par 4 course in the area. I wonder why they decided to put 27 baskets on that course rather than design a higher par 18 basket course?
In disc golf every hole is par 3, in the minds of 95% of avid disc golfers. This means almost every hole offers a 2 with a perfect drive.
We are stuck with this legacy handed down to us by Ed Headrick. His last words on 18-hole, par 72 disc golf were something like, "Reese is a nice kid. I hope we can get him interested in disc golf eventually." Not only did Ed leave us with lame par 2 golf, it was his idea to jigger the pars on the tee signs to ridiculously high numbers so that only a Special Olympian would be challenged to shoot par. Ever play an older course with ancient tee signs and the 310 foot hole says, "Par 5"? They bought that sign from Ed. Even when that sign was installed a rec player like me [then] could throw an Eclipse 150-200 feet. I was getting Eagles on that hole frequently.
We are just stuck with this stupid mindset that par is 3 and courses are 18 holes and 3=2.5. Because this is below the standard for sissy golf, golf that self-respecting golfers snear at, and sissy golfers call "executive golf," we will never win any respect playing this game. And it won't help to toss in the occasional 700 or 900 foot hole. That is still executive golf.
You don't see as many 310 foot holes labeled par 5 anymore. More and more frisbee golfers are discovering the enjoyment of playing courses where average to crappy players like us have to shoot the round of our life to come close to par. This is what par means, "really excellent play," not average to crappy play.
I guess we need to help those of our friends who are not actually Special Olympians to break free of the Headrick Special Olympics Mindset.
If you want to do something about it, Jon, for your 2005 IOS Series, for par for the course use the SSA par. Then go through the scorecard, and write down the par values on the card, so that they add up to the SSA. So you have a card that maybe goes 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 49.
This is something whacky that won't drive anyone away from the first event. It will drive some morons away from the second event because now they can't shoot under par at our tournaments! It would not have any bearing on the outcome of the event at all unless someone was late to their tee, and then they more likely than not would be happy to get a 6 instead of a 7. It would merely begin to reset players' understanding of par, like when we discovered that the 230 foot hole at Adler was not really a par 4 and started playing it as par 3. Players need to begin to realize that it is really a par 2.
Here are some of the SSA pars for the courses we play:
Round Lake Fairfield IOS 2003 Par 46.5, 46.4
You are going to need eight or nine 2s if 18 is a 4!
Crystal Lake Lippold IOS 2004 Par 44.8, 44.53
Nine 2s and nine 3s?
Potential New-to-us Northerly Course, Par 53.28, 52.74
Brett, who is the last person you'd think would want to play Special Olympics Frisbee Golf, is already howling. Brett: you'll get over it. A 47 is still a 47. It still wins in advanced. It is just that if the SSA rounds up to 47, there is no point calling that -7, unless you just want to perpetuate lame Par 2 disc golf with inflated par values so you can feel good about yourself. You can feel good about yourself shooting SSA par.
[For anyone offended by the Special Olympics reference, feel free to substitute "Pioneer Girls." Kelsey and Kira were Pioneer Girls. "Pioneer Girls Third" is what we say in our household whenever anyone is ashamed of their finish, because no one ever comes in deeper than third at Pioneer Girl competitions.
"How did you do in Peoria, daddy?"
"Third."
"Really?!"
"Pioneer Girl Third!"
"Ha, ha, ha! How deep in third?]
Bruce,
I, a rec player, agree with most of your rant. In essence, SSA is the best way to determine how well or poorly we are playing. I have searched for SSA on courses that I have played to figure out where I stand. In general, if I am 5 over, I am doing very well. Most likely that course's par, if using SSA would put me 13 over.
Reference to ball golf helps. Courses vary in difficulty. A par 72 at Augusta National is much harder than at Chick Evans (a local Forest Preserve Course). This is why ball golfers also consider course ratings to compare the difficulty of the course. SSA seems to consider both par and course difficulty. In essence, it really does not matter as long as there is a consistent method of calulation. If Brett shoots -7 or calls it even par, you correctly point out that he still likely won his division. He is likely analogous to a so-called scratch golfer. At some pro golf tournys the winning score is -20. At a tougher course, the winner may be even.
If I shoot 26 at Glencoe I know that I am not a -1 player. Glencoe is pretty easy. If I play with the same skill at a tougher 9 hole it will likely be a 31.
The par 3 issue is interesting. In ball golf a par 3 is a hold that could be aced. The player is expected to hit the green. I guess a par 3 on an easy course such as Chick Evans would really be a par 2 for a pro. They still call it a 3.
Overall, I think calling them all par 3's with the exception of the monster holes is fine as long as we attach an SSA to the course.
thread drift city
glow t on sat at mokena
par is a relative term
every thing is par 3 because stoners/drinkers can barely count and thats where the sport started has existed will continue to exist
yeah i would love to see more par 4 holes
i know what MY par is on courses i play
oly 18*3= 54 i think i should at least shoot a - 6 or else im not playing well
west park white 24*3= 72 i think i should shoot - 8 or else im not playing well
lemon lake in cedar lake 27*3 = 81 i shot a +13 or + 14 a month ago
I know what my Par is, I'm not stupid
some courses challange me some dont
im just an am and thats what i am
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where's nick nite when u need him ?
Not on this message board, thats for sure!
QuoteThe par 3 issue is interesting. In ball golf a par 3 is a hole that could be aced.
In ball golf a par 3 happens to be a hole you can ace because from that distance a 3 is a competent score for an expert golfer. In our game, when you are at acing distance most expert players are thinking they need to get down in two to stay caught up. Think like any good but not touring pro, say, Chris Hutter. When he is on the tee on a 175 foot anhyzer through the woods with a defined route, he is
not thinking, "If I play this right I could get a 3." He is thinking, "If I run the ace, can I make the come back putt for 2?" Because he is playing at a level where a 3 on that hole is clearly a bogey.
When a pro PGA golfer shoots -20 for the tourney he averaged -5 for four rounds and that probably was an easy course for pros. There were probably no mismarked holes, but there were some easy 5s or 4s where almost half the field carded birdies.
But hop in your time machine, go back to 1992 Pro Worlds and Kenny shot something like -14 or -15 at Firefighters in an 18 hole configuration. NOT! All the par 2 holes out there were mismarked par 3. The longest hole on that course was about 375. If you want to call that a -14 you are merely saying that Kenny was playing on a championship course designed for the junior girl division.
Hey, I'm not ripping on you. I'm ripping on lameass course design and Pioneer Girl par values. I'm just addressing Jon's question and saying it flows from a screwed up mindset.
If you want to change disc golfers' mindset, Jon, begin at your own events. Let's use SSA par in 2005 instead of lameass everyholeispar3insissygolf. This is not anything you have to announce or advertise. Just give us score cards with a line under Distance that says SSA Par | 2 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | ... | 47|
Quotewhere's nick nite when u need him ?
did someone fart? :ph34r:
thread drift city
god did I say that
more info
Glow In The Dark Disc Golf Tournament
The Oaks Mokena, Illinois
Saturday October 23, 2004
Registration NOON - 1:30 P.M.
First Round 2:00 P.M.
Second Round After Dark
Advanced & Amateur Divisions $23
Pro Divisions $33
LIMITED PRIZES
Pumpkin Trophies for 1st & 2nd places
Throw For The Pies In The Dark
Field limited to 108 players
Free Glow Disc with Entry
Ace Fund $2.oo
Free mini to everyone in costume
Joliet Cabinet Trophies
$2 to Mokena Park District
For More Information Contact
Gary Lewis At 815-725-8964
This is a great time of year to play Mokena. The colorful trees look beautiful!
The leaves were so deep at Firefighters we had to send out spotters, but the colors there are great too. A guy playing out there said that they lost at least six discs at league, but we did not see any of them.
we skipped 9,10,11
to save some time
not too much problem finding discs
saw brett and dan here while they were on a disc golf adventure
how many holes did u guys end up playing ?
ran into 2 people i worked with on the trading floor by coincidence
i think i was 1 or 2 over
Played this course for the first time today. Definantly one of the best courses I have played. Anyone around the midwest has to check out this course. Most of the holes have 3 sets of tees and the blue tees are very hard on most holes. Red tees are a little easier but still difficult. This is a course I would definantly like to see an Illinois A tier event at.
Quote from: Cannon Boy on February 23, 2006, 09:15:03 PM
Played this course for the first time today. Definantly one of the best courses I have played. Anyone around the midwest has to check out this course. Most of the holes have 3 sets of tees and the blue tees are very hard on most holes. Red tees are a little easier but still difficult. This is a course I would definantly like to see an Illinois A tier event at.
Neal didn't mention the good kharma that he and his group brought to Mokena. I had biz in Orland Park and stopped by the Oaks to throw before going back to the city. Saw Neal, Alex, Chris and Brian? (not sure if I got his name correctly) at the Oaks. They were out for an afternoon of disc golf and hijinx on a relatively nice Winter day. I found Alex's gloves and gave them back to him. I caught up with them by the time they hit hole 19 and played with them to 27. They were going to stay and play doubles and I was going to leave. That is when I noticed that my car key had some how fallen off my keychain somewhere in the park. For anybody who has been there, the Oaks is covered with acorns and oak leaves. Finding a key would be, as Alex put it, "like finding a needle in a haystack." Nonetheless, we exchanged numbers. I followed them for a couple holes and sort of threw, but mainly kept my eyes on the ground, hoping to find the key. I had worked out that a messanger was going to bring my wife's key to me. I coujldn't concentrate on disc golf and was in a generally foul mood by that time. I walked to the Park office to return some phone calls and wait for my key. About 45 minutes later I got a call from Alex. Some kids found the key and had approached them. They said they knew who the key belonged to and called me. Thanks guys!! :angel4: :angel4: The day went from a very nice day (beautiful weather and a decent round for me) to a horrible day ($$$ to be spent on a messenger and a new key along with waiting and waiting) to a tremendous day (needle in a haystack)
played this course for the first time at the il st champ. I loved a great course. the land is well used . good tech holes. this is the first course with rubber tee pads that i actually liked.
If you haven't gone to play it yet i would say most definitly it is worth going.
I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course. The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed. I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance.
It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3.
I totally sucked all day long and shot one under. That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1. I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence. Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell. I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard. According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie. No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that.
"That Reese is a nice kid. Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf." Thank you Ed.
Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets. I took an extra scorecard. Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.
Quote from: bruce_brakel on July 10, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course. The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed. I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance.
It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3.
I totally sucked all day long and shot one under. That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1. I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence. Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell. I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard. According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie. No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that.
"That Reese is a nice kid. Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf." Thank you Ed.
Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets. I took an extra scorecard. Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.
I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.
Quote from: CEValkyrie on July 10, 2006, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: bruce_brakel on July 10, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course. The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed. I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance.
It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3.
I totally sucked all day long and shot one under. That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1. I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence. Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell. I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard. According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie. No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that.
"That Reese is a nice kid. Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf." Thank you Ed.
Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets. I took an extra scorecard. Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.
I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.
That would definitly be an awesome course; worth a weekly trip down there.
I did not think the course was as repetitive as some other players did. There was one time when I said seriously, "I think we played this hole before," and some smart guy like Jim Bassett said something like, "Well get used to it because we play it four more times before we are done." :)
I enjoyed the course. It is reasonably good par 2.5 disc golf. It is definately worth playing again and again. For some reason I was expecting more, something more like Ewing where there are several different kinds of par 3.5 holes.
The course will never be better than it is today. It does rely on design elements that will not survive casual play, like the various baskets guarded by schule islands and the tight holes in the woods. Casuals rip that stuff out of the ground.
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Quote from: bruce_brakel on July 10, 2006, 04:10:02 PM
I thought they did an excellent job of designing an early 1970s championship disc golf course. The tee signs with par 4 and par 5 on them for 300 and 400 foot holes were a wonderful shout out to the memory of Steady Ed. I was absolutely impressed with the course improvements and course maintenance.
It was like Par 2 heaven and I was stuck in the hell of bogey 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3.
I totally sucked all day long and shot one under. That would be (27 X 3) + (27 X 3) - 1. I'm not going to use the p-word in that sentence. Par for that course is probably a 72, maybe lower, the stats will tell. I shot one under the numbers on the scorecard. According to the tee signs, which were sillier still, there was one hole where my group scored four eagles and one birdie. No one thought to check the Guinness Book of World Records on that.
"That Reese is a nice kid. Maybe some day we can interest him in disc golf." Thank you Ed.
Seriously, a clever TD could design a Worlds calibre 18 hole layout there using all the land and 18 of the existing 27 baskets. I took an extra scorecard. Maybe I'll find time to come up with something.
I would agree Bruce. It's a good Chicagolnad course with some championship qualities such as benches, tee signs, & tee pads. The design itself is very repetive and many of the pros I played with yestarday commented on how awesome it would have been to be a longer 18 to 20 hole course.
nice course but repetive. could have been a few less holes to make a better quality course. i felt like they had 27 baskets and had to figure out where to fit them in at. The course is very well maintained and the tee pads were in great shape. the amenities provided were a fantastic bonus. a course can very easliy have both casual friendly tee pads and also have more chalenging tee pads placements for more advanced players
Chuck Kennedy and some of the other ratings guys say "par" is in the 970 to 960 range, using the USGA definition of what an expert amateur could expect to shoot. So par at Mokena longs is around -4 or a 77. I think you could say that there are three par fours from the long tees if you were being generous, leaving you with seven par 2s, but it is really more like 14 par 2.5s.
If your course plays seven under to a 1000 rating from the long tees, and you have 27 holes, that is a good argument for fewer holes.
I got a 7 under from the longs and it was only 991.
If your course plays seven under to a 991 rating from the long tees, and you have 27 holes, that is still a good argument for fewer, longer holes. Seven under is a decent accomplishment on that course. Even is not. By definition, "par" is always a worthy accomplishment for an amateur, so at that course even is not really "par".
After reading Steve's post in the Woodridge Course thread about this place requiring an ID card, I went to the Mokena Park district website. I guess you'll need 2 forms of ID to get a card to play there. Just to let anyone who might be driving there know, I'd be pissed if I got there and had to do that. Who keeps >2< forms of ID on them?
Wait, you need to show ID to play at Mokena?
I just called the park district office and the lady on the phone says that I just have to fill out some card, but I don't need to register for anything. Either the website is wrong or she's mis-informed.
I saw that on their website the other day. Does anybody actually do that? Every time I've played Mokena I've just played it. Is there a little man checking for whether you've checked in?
I think this is something new that was started in the past year. I haven't been down there in a while.
Tafe Hemler texted me a while back saying that you now have to have a membership card or something along those lines and you can be fined some exorbitant amount of money if you are caught out there without one.
I called again, and the lady was just looking at the brochure that was telling her the same thing as the website. She said that when you park at the Oaks there should be people there to help you. I tried to ask her what forms of ID do they take since I am planning a group outing there next weekend and I want everyone prepared, but she didn't know. She said she thinks anything with your picture on it would work. I hope that's the case. I doubt we're going to get any trouble from the park district. At least we better not!
If anyone has more information it would be helpful. I plan on going down to Mokena, West Park and Channahon next weekend with some friends and it's more than an hour drive for all of us. It would really suck if we ran into problems.
It's free to do it... wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to do this as a way to possibly search your bag if suspected or make sure you aren't the type of player that would abuse the course. But yes, you do need to go in and check in.
Don't bring any dogs -- up to $1,000 fine. West and Channahon are both dog friendly, though.
I went there Sat and did the registration routine. The woman at the desk was really friendly about it, said they were collecting 'demographic information' (obviously somebody at the Mokena park district looking for a project) and didn't ask for anything other than my driver's license. She mentioned I should carry the card since I might 'get asked for it', but acknowledged that there's a lot of people out there that haven't registered.
There was a pretty good crowd out there that day and I didn't see any DG police roaming about. I'm all for personal privacy as much as anyone but on the whole this doesn't really strike me as that big a deal. It is on municipally-owned land, after all, it's free, and they've got clean bathrooms indoors. ::) Any rumors about big fines sound extremely exaggerated.
The dog fine is clearly posted.
The Oaks is also a no-smoking park. When I talked to the parks and rec guy there a couple of weeks ago I asked how aggressively they enforce that. He said they enforce it primarily through education. If they see people smoking they tell them it is a no smoking park. I did not think to ask him about the registration thing.
They probably enforce the other rules the same way, but I would not test them on anything that is prominently posted.
Everything's clearly posted by #1, but a lot of people park over by the ball fields (near #18) - I usually do - and I don't know if anything's posted over there.
I Play Mokena more than any other park. There has been a fair amount of vandalism and grafitti over the past year. In my reading-between-the-lines opinion there are two issues they are trying to address with the registration thing. One is the vandalism thing and the other is, they can now kick you out for smoking - anything. So if an officer sees you smoking from a distance, he still has the right to oust you. I have run into a few officers at the back of the park who were friendly and informed me that they were just trying to catch anyone at the park shoud they be involved in any illegal activities.
It is a beautiful facility (they level the tee pads with regularity) and they are trying to keep it that way.
I also registered on Saturday. Drivers license and 2 minutes of my time, no problem.
No more Joliet leagues there? Have I heard correctly?
I was up that way this past weekend and wanted to play Mokena, but the Joliet guys I was meeting refused to go there.
I think the registration thing is a good idea. They have a really nice facility and want to keep it that way. Its also a great way to make sure everyone knows the rules.
I'm thinking about going there tomorrow after work to play if anyone is interested. I'm not sure why the J-town crew is boycotting it.
Quote from: dana on July 08, 2008, 12:37:37 PM
No more Joliet leagues there? Have I heard correctly?
I could see that. If they got a bunch of people who weren't registered it'd be a snafu to start on time
The primary problem with holding league there is that they want us to have insurance.
Dan & I finished our 6 course tour here today.
I'm not sure I understand the boycott thing. It's easy to stop in the office and get the card. I actually think it's a good thing. They can track who is playing and where they are coming from. Who knows, maybe down the road this will help get a 2nd course installed or they would reccommend another park district to install a course. The course is well maintained so they are obviously supportive of disc golf.
The insurance is an issue. I think an under the radar league would work. This is not the 1st and won't be the last park district that requires insurance to have organized events.
Be advised; you can't just go there and have any type of mini-tourney; The boycott is due to the woman in charge who made an ass of herself; at the last J-town league play that was held there in June, she became irate, and said she demands $5 per head for any type of group play, plus it has to be coordinated through her. The J-town folks just said no thanks, we'll just not play here again. .... reminds me of the old joke; what is the difference between a woman with pms and a terrorist ? you can negotiate with a terrorist....
It sucks that she treated everyong that way.
On a side note: disc golf will be a low priorty for most park districts until it generates revenue like softball & basketball leagues. I have no problem with Mokena trying to charge a small fee. From someone who is not local it seems disc golf is a priority that they care about. I like they are trying to keep vandalism, etc.. to a minumum.
Just wanted to reply here vs. the 2009 IOS thread. Supposedly this woman at the park district is kinda uncooperative, or at least is wanting a slice of the pie, so to speak. I have also heard that to close the park for a tournament that the PD wants an exorbitant fee.
I've gotta disagree with Dan in that it would've been a bigger travesty if Channahon didn't have a tournament. I haven't played Mokena once this year, and haven't missed it. Don't get me wrong, it's a very nice park, but a lot of the shots feel similar.
I'm not really sure how thats disagreeing with me when my statement was 'its a travesty that mokena didnt' have a tournament' and mentioned nothing about channahon. Unless you are saying we have too many other nice courses to run tournaments on and we shouldn't waste our time with one at Mokena which obviously wouldn't draw many players.......
I'm saying it's not a travesty that Mokena didn't have a tournament, not saying anything about the draw or other area courses
Dan, I know Michler-logic dictates that more baskets automatically makes it a better park, but I think we were talking about 9 holers vs. 18 hole courses when Michler-logic rules were implemented. Would you honestly rather play Mokena than Channahon?
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