4th DISContinuum Blast!

[Supersoft]

it definitely wasn't Schultz & Climo, but it provided some entertainment.

lol yep 5 feet putts > me

it was sure fun and orginized good

[drdye]

Wish I could have made it!!!  Funds are just to tight for me to have made it

Next time for sure!!  Hope you all had fun!!!

[kyle]

Thanks Damon. That's the first time I've ever placed in a tournament, so I'm glad I got out of the playoff after the first hole. ;-)

[Brian]

So who won the divisions on Sunday?  
Anyone want to play at Parkside on Monday after 4:30 or so?
e-mail me at bkielar@yahoo.com

[CEValkyrie]

Quick post then time for bed.

Gold
Heeren 41/41/16=98
Miller 43/49/15= 107
Raffensberger 46/50/13= 109
Schodtler 49/45/17= 111

Silver
Comincioli 47/47= 94
Brakel 47/49 = 96
Michler 51/48 = 99
Kozlencer 49/52= 101

Bronze
Doty 52/48= 100
Grimes 49/51= 100
Fanning 49/52= 101
Lenth 52/51= 103

[CEValkyrie]

DISContinuum & I want to thank these people. Sorry if I miss someone.

Without the help of these people, this event would not happen.

Jon B., Bruce B., Maddisen B., Dan M., Mike C., Rene A., Steve C., Damon S., Allan S., Adrian G. Sr., Adrian G. Jr, Sergio C., Shawn F., Craig S., Fred V., & Carrie C., & all the players that attended. Thanks for your support.

There was added cash to the Pro Division. Thanks for the donations!
Here are the donators.
$42.00 Tim D.
$22.00 Al F.
$1.00 Chris H.
$65.00 Total.  

[Guest]

$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

[CEValkyrie]

Kurt Raffensburger played the final 4 almost perfectly. He 3'd the first 3 holes & 4'd the final hole. He also hit an ace on alternate #6, hole #24.

Chris Heeren hit several baskets during the day but didn't get one to stick. He threw 2 rollers & canned 100ft upshot on 869 feet safari hole #4. Amazing!

Dan Michler 2'd two of the hardest holes on the course. #25 & #27. Only 2 people 2'd #25 & 3 #27. Hole E was 2'd 5 times. I have to double check these when I get home tonight.

[CEValkyrie]

$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

Jim,

    I'm not really sure what your deal is dude. You've been on a war path since April. I'm sorry that you feel the way you do. We can't please everyone & you have to get past the fact that some things are not done the way you want them to. You decided to step away.

    About the sandbagging. Every player in each division was in the appropriate division. We checked ratings & each player earned the right to play in those divisions. When the results come out, you will see every division was competitive. Everyone played in a division that their rating would allow them too unlike last year when an intermediate player, Jon Bornowski won by 11 strokes playing Rec. If you have a problem with ratings based events, maybe you need to talk to the PDGA.

    About bleeding Recs. The flyers advertised everything in advanced. We paid out well over 100% to all divisions. Ask the 2 players in the Purple Division how the felt after they left the event. The one player in Green would have walked away with his entry fee back and a trophy but he did not finish due to an injury.

    You have been quick to judge but you didn't even experience the event. Did you talk to any players that played the event? Just think, with your 859 rating, you would have been able to play Red and accept cash.

[CEValkyrie]

Edited for 2005

The event is now over & planning for next year will begin. The DISContinuum Blast will probably be a stop of the 2005 Illinois Open Series next year.


I'm always looking for feedback. I like constructive criticism. Feel free to blast me if you'd like.

Did you like the course set up? What would you like to see different? Please leave feedback.

[mirth]

I'd like to know what club members were sandbagging...

[mirth]

Also, the entry fees were taken straight from the PDGA's recommendations. So if you feel the need to bitch at somebody about that, go whine at Hoeniger. Maybe he'll pay you more creedence with your birdie membership.

[Jon Brakel]

I'd like to know what club members were sandbagging...

Who let Jim out of his hole?    

[airspuds]

sorry i missed it

one of the reasons/factors  
i tend to go to T's
is the added holes
those take work (thx guys)

it gives the course a different look
they are fun to play and the locals are at the same disadvantage as not having seen the hole before  

i think the ratings thing is a good idea

side note  ( bob w 930    me   880   50 pts    5 strokes)
lemon lake  bob +9    me  +14

it was a bad scoring rd for both of us  

with ratings though we had figured he needed to give me strokes

we also played skins  me 13 him 14

usually we just play casual but i guess we both wanted to score the round

im thinking ill play better in the T in oct  (i hope)


again sorry i missed it

[Jon Brakel]

$32 for a non-PDGA Recreational player?
Yet only $33 for Pro Open?
No players' package?

Any event that caters to sandbagging club members and then bleeds that Juniors and Recs will never get my support.

-Jim Klem, founder of a much different DISContinuum

OK, I did my "funny" answer, here's my serious one.

Why compare the entry fee for a non-member to a member? A non-member is going to pay $5 more for their entry--that is the case in any PDGA sanctioned tournament. Our entry fee for the Purple and Green divisions was $22. All other Saturday entry fees were $27. The entry fee on Sunday was $32 for Bronze, Silver and Gold. This was a ratings event so there were no Rec, Jr. or Open Pro divisions. There were divisions, based on ratings, that any player could be competitive in.

We try to present events that most players like to play. Most players prefer that most of their money goes into the payouts. Since it was a C tier, players packs are not required. Going back to most player's preference, we did not do player's packs. If we find a player's pack sponsor in the future, this could be something that we might change.

Next year I would expect to see a change in our pricing structure for all of our events based on PLAYER feedback (not feedback from random posters who are no longer associated with the club) from this year. Lower prices for the lower divisions, and larger player packs for the lower divisions. However, I wouldn't expect entry fees to be much lower than the Green/Purple at the Blast.

We absolutely did NOT allow any members or non-members to sandbag at this event. In fact, Dan Michler among others played UP a division. Bevier tends to not show a big difference in scores between the top amateurs and the pros. Don't forget when you look at the results that the top 5 Gold players played a final showcase round.

-Jon Brakel, Vice President of an improving, fiscally responsible DISContinuum

[David B.]

Brett and Discontinuum

From a Rec player that paid the $ to bring up the rear of the tier...Thanks.  The event was a lot of fun.  I played with Damon and Kyle and learned a load from watching them throw during the first round.  I will keep throwing and come out and shoot lower next time.  I knew the price and was willing to pay it.  I was also willing to ante up for the ace pool even though there was only one hole, 1, where I even had a chance based on my skill.  Thanks again.

David

[mirth]

David,

Thank you for coming out and supporting local disc golf! Speaking for the Club, we're delighted you had a good time and learned how to improve your game. That is a key element of playing in organized events... By observing players who are at a higher skill level you begin to see how you can improve upon your own game - be it form, conduct, or play.

We hope to see you out at our next event on Oct. 30, and at our weekly Best Shot doubles league every Sunday morning.

[Guest]

Guys, tourneys are not JUST about 100% payout.
They should be about fairness and growing the sport locally.

Yes, those sure were PDGA suggested fees. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?  Charging $22 ($27 if non-PDGA) for local kids who play in very few events is ridiculous.  When Juniors players walk away disappointed - for any reason - you have done them a dis-service.  WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?

Also, where are the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?  Their names are still on the website, but everything is Brakel-sponsored now.  Juniors did NOT get reamed when Disc Golf World was sponsoring events and donating baskets!!!

For example, earlier this year, the Wisconsin Juniors Championships in Kaukauna were a whopping $10!!!  There were 7 sponsors at Kaukauna.  EVERY player got a players package: a disc, a mini, a towel, and coupons for merch.  There were 18 merch/coupon CTPs.  Here, they get SQUAT for $22.

This is EXACTLY that type of thing DISContinuum was founded TO AVOID!

Now, instead of complaining that I am posting here, please try to answer my questions if you are so open to criticism:
1. But wouldn't it be better to run an event fair and generous across the field for all players?
2. WHY NOT cater to your Juniors (the players of today AND tomorrow)?
3. Where were the sponsors who helped DISContinuum for 3+ years?

Thanks,
Jim Klem

[Jon Brakel]

DISContinuum & I want to thank these people. Sorry if I miss someone.

Without the help of these people, this event would not happen.

Jon B., Bruce B., Maddisen B., Dan M., Mike C., Rene A., Steve C., Damon S., Allan S., Adrian G. Sr., Adrian G. Jr, Sergio C., Shawn F., Craig S., Fred V., & Carrie C., & all the players that attended. Thanks for your support.

There was added cash to the Pro Division. Thanks for the donations!
Here are the donators.
$42.00 Tim D.
$22.00 Al F.
$1.00 Chris H.
$65.00 Total.

I would especially like to thank Steve, Damon, Mike and Maddisen. I had no idea how much help to expect to need on Sunday and it was great relief to have all of you on Sunday to help out. I was stressing a little bit at registration because most of the normal registration team was not available for the Blast, but I shouldn't have stressed out, you guys did a great job. You guys made it a great event!!!Hopefully Bruce and Maddisen's cooking was a welcome benefit for volunteering.  

[mirth]

What Junior player walked away disappointed? As far as I can remember, the only Junior that played was Adrian