State Coordinator of Illinois

[Brian]

damn  those are some fightin' words.  Maybe it should be settled on the course.  How do I change the state that I am registered to?  I know that the PDGA isn't the fastest moving org.  but still, I would like to know.

[CEValkyrie]

most likely cause Brett does also..

Shawn,
    I'm not sure where you are getting info that I blast Wilbur. I stated facts that are true. Sometime the truth hurts.  

[CEValkyrie]

... the better choose for Illinois ..

Shawn,
    I would like to know what Wilbu has done to deserve my vote as IL State Coordinator.

[Dan Michler]

Good to hear from Wilbur... the better choose for Illinois ..

should be a close one now that his statement was not included on the vote.

Dan, I'm not sure if I know you, but you really are an idiot.  You blast Wilbur..  most likely cause Brett does also..  But in all seriousness what has Jon done?  Compared to Wilbur... not much.  Jon lacks the respect from his fellow disc golfers..   I know quite a few golfers that do not want anything to do with this club because of him.  

So Dan, why is it that you blast people that you don't even know?  How old are you?  You come across as a spoiled rich kid who lives with his parents.. do you?

I don't really know you Shawn, but I'll blast you anyways  
I only played with you 1 time, which was enough.  It was at leagues and we were in the same group.  You drew Becky and acted like a jerk the whole round to everybody, probably because I drew Danny and kicked your frickin ass.  I think that was Week 1 Fall 2003 if you want to reminisce.

I don't think that I have really blasted Wilbur if thats what you're saying.  But, I would like to see Jon get a shot at that job instead of him...obviously only cuz Brett does (I can't think for myself cuz I'm an idiot )     I think I explained my reasons for wanting Jon over Wilbur in an above post.

I'm glad I come off like a spoiled rich kid.  Thats what I was going for.  I'm actually thinking of asking my parents if I can move back in too.  They are sooooo rich!!!!  

[mirth]

damn  those are some fightin' words.  Maybe it should be settled on the course.  How do I change the state that I am registered to?  I know that the PDGA isn't the fastest moving org.  but still, I would like to know.

Call PDGAHQ.

[Brian]

Call PDGAHQ.

Are you serious?  There is no form on-line or some other option?  

Once again, I know that this organization is made up of volunteers, be we really need to get our act together.  Why don't they hire some grad school computer engineer or get some computer savvy member (and pay him/her in plastic) and make some house cleaning programs.  Like an automated ratings update and a Tournament results program.  Where the TDs just input the information and it's automatically updated.  As a buddy of mine pointed out, "I'm thinking about not renewing, when the ratings is the only real reason that I am a member."  I feel a good portion of the time that the PDGA is set up for the pro and not the amateur players.  As an intermediate player I felt shitted on at a few tournaments and the ratings system is a joke.  I know that I am better than my rating, however, certain tournaments don't count b/c there where not enough propagators that played my course setup or the damn tournaments were not reported.  This is something, the propagator factor, that I was totally unaware of and would have like to known before wasting $90 this summer.  So I guess why should a amateur renew their membership when: A. tournaments don't count on your rating, B. the rating system is not updated and pulls from data that is over a year old, C. the magazine does not offer a consistence 'How To' section, D. I most likely will not play enough events to justify saving my membership fee in tournament entrance fees, E. How much of an impact does the PDGA actually have in getting new courses installed in my area, F.  Does the PDGA actually make the sport of disc golf more reputable?  This lack of updates just furthers the sigma that we are all a bunch of pot-smoking, lazy, tree-hugging hippies.  G. And how does it help to build a better community when the lesser skilled and newer players are/ have been left out in the rain.  

Sorry for the rant, probably should have started a new topic for it.  

[shawn]

I don't really know you Shawn, but I'll blast you anyways  
I only played with you 1 time, which was enough.  It was at leagues and we were in the same group.  You drew Becky and acted like a jerk the whole round to everybody, probably because I drew Danny and kicked your frickin ass.  I think that was Week 1 Fall 2003 if you want to reminisce.

I was having a bad day in general and then to get hooked up with you in my group really pissed me off.  I'm sorry I offended Becky and Danny.  But I have already apoligized to them.  


I really don't give a shit about what happened a year ago, I've been blasted for my actions already... but thanks for bringing up a bad time in my life again.  I'm not that same guy anymore.  But when someone blast one of my friends (Jim) without ever really knowing him..   for that your an idiot.  

Jon... I'll respond to your pm tomorrow... it's late.

[CEValkyrie]

How do I change the state that I am registered to?

When you send in your renewal this year change your address on the form or if you want it done immediately e-mail office@pdga.com now.  

[Dan Michler]

I was having a bad day in general and then to get hooked up with you in my group really pissed me off.  

But when someone blast one of my friends (Jim) without ever really knowing him..   for that your an idiot.  

You didn't even know me at all, so why did it tick you off to get put in my group?  I know it was only a year ago, but thats the only exposure I've had to you.  That and now you calling me an idiot on the message board.  You seem like such a nice guy.

So, why did you say it was Wilbur I was blasting when you really meant Jim?  I won't deny that I've blasted him     He initiated that himself.  I certainly wouldn't "blast" somebody I didn't know if I didn't fell that I had already been attacked.  Whatever, I don't really care.  I just want to play golf.

[mirth]

chill out, dudes

[Jon Brakel]

chill out, dudes

Yes, please. If we could, let's keep the topic of this thread on the Illinois State Coordinator election.

[CEValkyrie]

This is why Wilbur's statement was not on the ballot.->

Brett
Cc Wilbur

The PDGA office never received Wilbur's statement, had we, it would've been
included.

Regards

BDH @ PDGAHQ

[CEValkyrie]

My goals for the next 2 years is to have better communication among Illinois TD’s, have tournament dates finalized in a more timely manor (both sanctioned and non-sanctioned), to develop an Illinois Tour and to host a special tournament to select the Illinois representative to the USDGC.

If this were an election about disc golf clinics, promotion of the game, & installing courses, i'd vote Wilbur in a second.

However, this is not an election about that stuff. It's about the PDGA IL Sate Coordinator. I'm not sure how long Wilbur has held this position. I do know he's been in this position for 2 years.

The statement alone shows that Wilbur has not met the needs of IL players. These are issues that should have already been addressed & he's had his chance.

I know no matter who wins this election, having Jon on the ballot has opened Wilbur's eyes on what needs to be done & should have been done already. I just hope these issues are addressed over the next 2 years.  

[tree]

I know no matter who wins this election, having Jon on the ballot has opened Wilbur's eyes on what needs to be done & should have been done already. I just hope these issues are addressed over the next 2 years.

I agree

[D]

In the land of Lake County, lives a small town..

Welcome to... dramacontinuum.

*cue twilight zone theme*

[Guest]

Dan, I'm not sure if I know you, but you really are an idiot. You blast Wilbur.. most likely cause Brett does also.. But in all seriousness what has Jon done? Compared to Wilbur... not much. Jon lacks the respect from his fellow disc golfers.. I know quite a few golfers that do not want anything to do with this club because of him.

So Dan, why is it that you blast people that you don't even know? How old are you? You come across as a spoiled rich kid who lives with his parents.. do you?

I'm not that same guy anymore.

Not the same guy but channeling him?  Completely different guy but you kept some of the worst characteristics of the old guy?  

[Guest]

Not that most of the people on this board care, but my vote goes for Wilbur.
The issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

Jon says he has experience. But Wilbur has years more experience within organized disc golf. Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes.  That was when Adler was routinely getting 40+ people at weekly leagues.  Meanwhile, Wilbur has organized events which have garnered NATIONAL attention.

Wilbur has helped install numerous courses.  Jon (and family) dug one teepad at Wildwood.  And then complained about it.  Jon said "I am allergic to work." Although Jon has "worked" on several area courses, he has yet to install anything. Jon has no sponsor experience - except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture.

[CEValkyrie]

Not that most of the people on this board care, but my vote goes for Wilbur.
The issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

Jon says he has experience. But Wilbur has years more experience within organized disc golf. Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes.  That was when Adler was routinely getting 40+ people at weekly leagues.  Meanwhile, Wilbur has organized events which have garnered NATIONAL attention.

Wilbur has helped install numerous courses.  Jon (and family) dug one teepad at Wildwood.  And then complained about it.  Jon said "I am allergic to work." Although Jon has "worked" on several area courses, he has yet to install anything. Jon has no sponsor experience - except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

Open your eyes and look at the big picture.

What has Wilbur done as the IL State Coordinator? I've yet to get that answer from Shawn or anyone else.

The job of the State Coordinator is to award 1 spot to send a player to the USDGC. It should be utilized. They are to coordinate events between all TD's. A series is not part of it but it would be nice to see IL get a state series going since most other disc golf states do.

Wilburs statement pretty much says he hasn't been doing a good job at that & he needs to improve. Isn't that what he should have been doing the past 2 years. I think he's been in that position more that 2 years.

I'll take my chance voting for Jon. He may or may not do a good job. You can't do any less that what's already been done.

I'm not disputing what Wilbur has done with courses, demos, & the GPO. That stuff has nothing to do with the job of the State Coordinator. There is only 1 person that is comparable to what Wilbur has done in IL. That's Gary Lewis.

IL TD's have to coordinate themselves since Wilbur isn't involved. We've already started planning for 2005 & have had to try to contact Gary Lewis. We have no idea when other events are being planned.  

[Jon Brakel]

The USDGC spot is a minor issue. Even if the State Coordinator does give out the spot it is up to the individual to make sure that they register in time, pay the entry fee and actually go.

State scheduling is the biggest issue that the state coordinator is responsible for. Wilbur has only maintained an on-line calendar. He does no proactive scheduling at all. Two years ago Wilbur promised to take an active role in state scheduling. Last year Gary Lewis and I had to work out our scheduling over the phone after Gary found out that we were running more than one event. This was AFTER we had e-mailed Wilbur to ask if our dates could be put on the calendar. This year Wilbur is again promising to take a more active role in state scheduling. Wilbur and I have had discussions about state scheduling face to face on several occasions and he knows that I have been dissapointed by the lack of leadership on his part in this area. I have no ill feelings toward Wilbur personally, I just think that he should have taken an active role in state scheduling years ago.

I think it is also important to represent the entire state as state coordinator. Wilbur is at all of the PFC events and I've seen him at the State Championships in Joliet. I saw him more at Iowa Worlds, where we were both TDs, than all the other events in Illinois put together. Since Peoria has been well represented for several years, I think having a representative further north will be good for the state.

[Jon Brakel]

...Jon says he was running events at Adler years ago. Not true. He and Bruce ran 1 event at Adler in 1998 or 1999. Six players played, including Jon and Bruce, who both won prizes...

I have never said that I have been "running events at Adler years ago." I think your mind is a bit confused, Mr. Guest. Recently on this board in response to a question that Diron asked about using temp baskets at Adler, I responded that not since Bruce and I ran the Handicapped Doubles tournament has Adler allowed temp baskets to be setup. Diron responded asking when this tournament was. I replied that it was several years ago, probably before he started playing. For the record, there were 8 players and 6 players won something. The event was a very whacky concept that Bruce and I wanted to try. I have never touted that as a big experience builder (although even that event I learned a few things) and it is not mentioned in my ballot statement either.

edit was done to correct outcome of the Handicapped Doubles. After looking at my notes, not everyone "won" something. Everyone got a free lunch and soft drinks. 6 people actually won something.