State Coordinator of Illinois

[Guest]

Jon, in the past, you have indeed verbally touted that Adler event as part of your resume.  It was not really a response to Diron, just a fact posted to illuminate people to the truth.

Jon, if you lose, why not offer yourself to Wilbur as an assistant or coordinator in training until the 2006 election?  That way, an easier transition could take place and you could get some necessary experience.

This is not a slam.  It seems to me that many people are not satisfied with either you or Wilbur as Coordinator.  However, I believe the both of you, working together, really can do some great things for Illinois. Seriously. Illinois is huge and segregated with only email and postal mail to link each section.  We would benefit from the experience and talent each of you possesses.  I suggest that, no matter who wins, you begin to talk more and rely on each other to help.  It is a huge task and teamwork is better than having one overworked coordinator.

-scooter

[Jon Brakel]

Jon, in the past, you have indeed verbally touted that Adler event as part of your resume.  It was not really a response to Diron, just a fact posted to illuminate people to the truth.

Jon, if you lose, why not offer yourself to Wilbur as an assistant or coordinator in training until the 2006 election?  That way, an easier transition could take place and you could get some necessary experience.

This is not a slam.  It seems to me that many people are not satisfied with either you or Wilbur as Coordinator.  However, I believe the both of you, working together, really can do some great things for Illinois. Seriously. Illinois is huge and segregated with only email and postal mail to link each section.  We would benefit from the experience and talent each of you possesses.  I suggest that, no matter who wins, you begin to talk more and rely on each other to help.  It is a huge task and teamwork is better than having one overworked coordinator.

-scooter

Look at the PFC forum if you have a chance.

Both Wilbur and I have pledged to support each other no matter who wins.

[Guest]

Look at the PFC forum if you have a chance.
 I will.

Both Wilbur and I have pledged to support each other no matter who wins.
 Good to hear.  Thanks for the quick replies.

-scooter

[CEValkyrie]

The USDGC spot is a minor issue. Even if the State Coordinator does give out the spot it is up to the individual to make sure that they register in time, pay the entry fee and actually go.

I agree. Yes, it is up to the person to make sure they register & pay for the entry fee. However, I think the State Coordinator should ask the qualifying person if they are going to go. If they say no, they should find the next best qualifying person to go.  

[CEValkyrie]

The issues are not whatever Jon/Bruce say they are; the issue of sending one player to a national event has no bearing on this election.

except for his brother who was [sole] sponsor of the Illinois Open Series.  Hhmmmmmmm.

The Jon & Bruce conspiracy continues. Did you hear that if elected Jon is sending Bruce to the USDGC  

[mirth]

honestly, I don't believe Bruce was ever sponsoring anything. His was more the role of 'guy with the best freaking wholesale prices on plastic'.

[Bruce Brakel]

honestly, I don't believe Bruce was ever sponsoring anything. His was more the role of 'guy with the best freaking wholesale prices on plastic'.

I posted something lengthy and then deleted it.  My only role in this is to raid the till and spend it on fast cars and loose women.  Only, there's not so much money in this game so I got me a ten-year old Saturn and a 20-year old marriage.  :grin:

[Guest]

you guys are really making great points here.  mostly, why not too renew membership to this club.  Mirth, you say "wholesale prices.."  that is great for the club but when players go to one of these events do they see "wholesale prices"?  no..  16 bucks for an orc?  come on.  I know the club is benifiting and so is the girls club..  but it just looks fishy that Jon and Bruce are brothers and he is the only retailer there.  

nuf said,

Shawn

[CEValkyrie]

16 bucks for an orc?  

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.  

[airspuds]

who's on first ?

[Jon Brakel]

I posted something lengthy also, but really I have to go pack. I'm going to Hawaii for a month with all the money that I skimmed off the top of the 2004 IOS.

[Jon Brakel]

What's on second?

[Bruce Brakel]

16 bucks for an orc? 

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.

For those who are clueless, the sticker on the bottom is the brass price that approximates the Innova SRP, and is mainly there for brass purposes.  If anyone actually paid 16 dollars for an Orc, please, next time ask for the cash discount!  

It's amazing how all of our complaints come from two former people who don't actually play our tournaments or have any idea what is going on.  Most TDs don't play their own tournaments for one very good reason, and it's a lot like a sausage maker who won't eat his own sausage, whereas if you look at our volunteer core, every one of them was playing one day or the other except when they were injured or sick.  

We run the events that we gave up wishing that other TDs would run.  That is our only motivation.

That plus making the monthly payment on the Corvette we bought.  Brett, you aren't driving it in the rain again, are you?

[mirth]

16 bucks for an orc? 

$16.00 for an Orc? I can tell you attended these events.

Perhaps he's looking at the price list?

Shawn, if a tournament is going to make a profit somewhere its going to either be off the top of the prize pools or merch sales. Which would you rather have, an event where 85% of the entry fees are paid out & cheap plastic or 100%+ and discs that are a little more on the expensive side?

[damonshort]

reading this crap is like watching a pileup on the interstate...you know it's ugly but you can't help but look.

I've really had no bones to pick with anybody but I'm finally going to say something. For one thing, if I saw *anything* priced at $16 at any IOS event it was a dye job or something similarly 'premium'.

I helped out at a couple of tournaments this year - someone else who did posted at length about the Blast weeks ago and I'll let him speak for himself - I saw the financials too, and I'll gladly vouch that the benefits to the players easily match or exceed any tournament I've ever played in.

I don't see any hidden agendas anywhere on Jon's part, and it's really depressing to see this mud wrestling going on among people whom I have no problem with as individuals but who can't seem to deal with one another. Also a drag to have all this dirty laundry exposed on a public forum where anybody possibly interested in a disc golf club can see it, but I guess that's the beauty of the "Internets" .

I don't get it. I really don't get it. Please stop.

oh yeah, I mailed my vote for Jon today.

(Jon, I'll email you the address of the offshore account to mail the check to... )

[Guest]

So, anyone who does not support Jon is going to get raked over the coals? Questions are not admissible?  Only one opinion allowed?  Welcome to China!  

What I posted earlier about the Brakels' Adler event was a push for Wilbur and an opportunity to expose some small verbal untruths Jon and Bruce have spouted out over the years about running "multiple" events at Adler with great payouts and attendance. Most of you weren't even playing back then, so how can you defend them?

So much of what the Brakels do is just plain fishy. The $16 Orc is a good example.  A price tag says $16.  If it doesn't cost $16, why would the sticker read $16?  Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash. Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like.  Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.

Granted, Jon was not selling plastic, nor has he been making tons of cash at our expense.  I never accused anyone of that.  You escalated my remarks to a ridiculous level so as to avoid direct communication.  Fishy.

[CEValkyrie]

$16.00 Champion Orc???

Where is this coming from?


I played 6 events this year that I did not help run. I have been to 1 tournament that has had cheaper prices on plastic. That was the Homie. Most of the others had equal and a few with higher prices.

[CEValkyrie]

Damon,

    I apologive for the negativity. Sometimes I have to reply when people post information that is incorrect. Especially when the statments are about events that people have not attended.
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    I don't want to be negative on the board. It's stressfull & not fun. For those of you who don't like whatever aspect of the club, don't be a part of it. You obviously don't like someone or something. Don't read the message board, attend events, & legues. Why do you care?

    If you do want to be part of the club, come to club meetings, leagues, & tournaments. Better yet, club elections are being held on 12-19. Anyone that wants to run for a position, please do so. I would be more than willing to not run this year. If you think you can do better, here is your chance. You'll run uncontested & step right in on January 1st. You can get as many vendors as you want. You can lure that big sponsorship we are hearing about. You can run leagues & events any way you want. Any takers? The thread to nominate club members for club elections is here. http://discontinuum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=1541

Sorry for the negativity.  

[damonshort]

The $16 Orc is a good example. 

Don't recall a $16 Orc, but since another anonymous poster said this, maybe it's true. And Hussein flew one of the planes on 9/11.

...Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash.  Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like. Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.

Nope. It was always clear to me and afaik anyone who actually played in any of the tournaments how the brass cash worked, and it was an added bonus that the brass cash was good *for the rest of the year*, a concept that I've only seen elsewhere with the PFC. (might be a couple of WI vendors who do it too...)

I normally don't respond to anonymous posts, but this is beyond ridiculous. I don't get it. I really don't get it. Please stop.

[Jon Brakel]

So, anyone who does not support Jon is going to get raked over the coals? Questions are not admissible?  Only one opinion allowed?  Welcome to China!  

What I posted earlier about the Brakels' Adler event was a push for Wilbur and an opportunity to expose some small verbal untruths Jon and Bruce have spouted out over the years about running "multiple" events at Adler with great payouts and attendance. Most of you weren't even playing back then, so how can you defend them?

So much of what the Brakels do is just plain fishy. The $16 Orc is a good example.  A price tag says $16.  If it doesn't cost $16, why would the sticker read $16?  Because of the silly bait and switch, exception-to-the-rule (but pay attention because the rules change frequently) playing around that these guys do. Gotta have brass cash. Or regular cash. Different prices to different people is what it seems like.  Bruce said to "ask for the discount". But if we don't ask, we simply pay more?  Fishy.

Granted, Jon was not selling plastic, nor has he been making tons of cash at our expense.  I never accused anyone of that.  You escalated my remarks to a ridiculous level so as to avoid direct communication.  Fishy.

I have to respond to this once more, and then if Mr. Guest wants to continue spreading the untruth, then so be it.

I haven't held multiple events at Adler. Bruce and I ran one tournament. One of our whacky format micro tournaments that Bruce and I have run in Illinois and Michigan. I have joked before that Bruce and I used to specialize in running micro tournaments. Bruce and I also ran many large and successful tournaments in Michigan before Brett, Bruce and I started the Illinois Open with the help of many Discontinuum members. It wasn't until the Illinois Open that I helped to run a large tournament in Illinois. Until then all my large tournament running experience was in Michigan.

No matter how many times Mr. Guest says it, I can assure you that I have never said or posted that I have run multiple large events at Adler. I have no idea why Mr. Guest thinks that I said this. It never happened. I think he's just confused between the multiple small and large tournaments that I helped to run in Michigan before and after becoming active in Discontinuum and the one micro tourney that I helped run at Adler.