2005 Illinois Open Series

[CEValkyrie]

Isn't this the weekend for Streamwood?

We have switched the schedule around & will get that info out soon. Rockford will be 7-23 & Streamwood has been moved.

[Bruce Brakel]

Streamwood got bumped, to August I think.  Any schedule you saw was preliminary.  

Greg, "The Frenzy" is cooler still.  Less is more when naming tournaments.  But I'm cool with anything you want to call it.  We can call it "George" if that works.

To everybody, we are running a variety of formats and tiers within this series, so always check the flyer or website for information.  For the first two, pros and advanced play Saturday.  We have two events where everyone plays the same day.  We have amateurs sanctioned at B, C and D at different events, so some events will have player packs and some won't.  

Otherwise, our philosophy has not changed: we're running tournaments we want to play, generous tournaments for amateurs, 100% pay out for pros.  

[whofarted]

im not 100% on 'forest city frenzy' yet, i like it alot but it sounds like a soccer team.  i kinda wanted to work with throwing '36' in the title because to my knowledge we're the first 36 hole park in illinois, but i couldn't get anything that would stick.  no matter the name, its going to kick mucho ass.  im working with some of the locals on getting cash money thrown into the pro purse so we dont have to pull it from anywhere else and im starting to contact people for big toss, ctp, and raffle prizes.  

[Dan Michler]

it might be confusing to throw '36' into the name when i'm assuming there will be some temp holes out there, so it might be like a 48 hole park for the tournament.  where did u get 'forest city'?  just curious if thats a term thats used out there commonly.

[Jon Brakel]

im not 100% on 'forest city frenzy' yet, i like it alot but it sounds like a soccer team.  i kinda wanted to work with throwing '36' in the title because to my knowledge we're the first 36 hole park in illinois, but i couldn't get anything that would stick.  no matter the name, its going to kick mucho ass.  im working with some of the locals on getting cash money thrown into the pro purse so we dont have to pull it from anywhere else and im starting to contact people for big toss, ctp, and raffle prizes.

Just an fyi, you can count ctps as prizes when reporting to the PDGA. You cannot count things like raffles, jumbo tosses and lunches. That doesn't mean that you can't do them, just be aware that you can't include them as part of the payout.

[whofarted]

years back, like in the fifties and before, rockford was well known for how many tress we had which coined the name forest city.  but some tree disease came along and killed off alot of our oaks so the name kinda dies off with that.  im not really sure if anybody outside of rockford would make the connection of us being the forest city, but its something that rockford has/d alot of pride in.  as far as the 36 thing, alternates are being added so that kinda defeats the purpose of it.  i dont know if you circled the park when you were there, but there is alot of land on other side of the road that has a creek running parrallel to the road, given the park districts permission i want to have six to nine holes added over there.

[Dan Michler]

yeah i have seen that land over there and there is alot of room for some sweet temp holes.  also, i know in the past events there they have had some good temp holes across the street from the old course just on the left hand side as u drive in to the park.  now that i know about this forest city nickname, it seems like it might be a cool thing to work into the name.  i wouldn't worry so much if outsiders don't understand the name.

[whofarted]

i plan on doing the raffles and jumbo toss just for fun, give everybody a chance to get a little something...

[SERG]

Forest City Fling??

[damonshort]

Forest City Fling??

naw, Fling gets used a lot - Frenzy is better    

[Bruce Brakel]

Forest City Frenzy makes more sense in that context.  

I think we can announce that we are going with the flow on the new PDGA trophy-only option.  We will offer the amateur trophy-only option at 1/2 the entry fee plus the PDGA fee and course fee at courses that have a course fee.  So if the Intermediate entry fee is $20 at a C-tier with a $1 per player course fee, you could play for trophy-only, plus CTPs, for $13.  I think the way the PDGA has set the price on this, if large numbers of players play trophy-only, there will be more CTPs.  If players go for the full fee, more of the tournament value winds up in the am payout.  

[whofarted]

what gets a better turnout between the two?

[CEValkyrie]

what gets a better turnout between the two?

The turnout will probably be the same if not maybe adding a couple of people that did not have the cash to play or think they had a shot to cash at the event. The trophy only is just an option you choose. I doubt many will choose but some may.

Let's say Roy shows up & he is a 916 rated player. He has to play advanced. I'll use former top advanced players from IL. Sean Butler, Dave Shaw, Pat Blake, & other top advanced players show up to play. Roy says "man, this sux, I have no chance of cashing". Instead of playing the $35.00 advanced entry fee he could pay 1/2 which is $17.50 + $2.00 for PDGA Fees. So basically he's saving $15.00 to play an event he doesn't think he can cash in. If someone is debating over price of entry, this could make their decision to play a yes.

[CEValkyrie]

BTW, we are going to test the market with the trophy only concept at the 5th DISContinuum Blast! There will be no prizes for Ams except CTP's & trophies. The entry fee will be small. We'll are going to find out if the idea will be popular or not.  

[Bruce Brakel]

This is confusing so I'll explain it again.  At all of our events except the Blast, an amateur has the option of paying a full entry fee and playing for prizes, or paying a half entry fee and opting out of prizes.  Either way he is playing for trophies, ctps, and pdga points and ratings.  The trophy-only option is something the PDGA approved for PDGA play this year.  

There are a lot of reasons why you might pay the reduced entry fee.  If you are planning on playing a lot of tournaments you might want to save some money from time to time.  If you don't really need more stuff and don't like hawking it at the course, you might rather pay less.  Whatever your reason, the trophy-only entry fee is priced so that the trophy-only player is providing about the same financial support towards sanctioning, insurance and trophies as the guy playing for prizes.  

At the Blast the entry fee will be something like $10 per player.  If we have good attendance there will be a lot of CTPs.  However, there is no amateur payout.  If you played any of our events last year you know that when we have the attendance to pay for CTPs they aren't all "CTP"s.  Some are longest drive, longest putt, birdie bounty, etc.  

[Todd14610]

Would a basket throw off for a donated basket be reportable to the PDGA? (Like 6 shots for 5 bucks).  

[Chainmeister]

And from those of us who play becuase its fun and have no expectation of winning either brass or green, thanks.  

[Jon Brakel]

Would a basket throw off for a donated basket be reportable to the PDGA? (Like 6 shots for 5 bucks).

No.

[Guest]

Forest City Fling??

naw, Fling gets used a lot - Frenzy is better  

You're right...stupid suggestion. I was wondering why it stuck in my mind and then I seen that Parkside has a "Spring Fling" Thanks for the reality check, Damon.    

[Bruce Brakel]

Forest City Fling??

naw, Fling gets used a lot - Frenzy is better  

You're right...stupid suggestion. I was wondering why it stuck in my mind and then I seen that Parkside has a "Spring Fling" Thanks for the reality check, Damon.  

One year there were two "Flings" in Michigan being run by different clubs in different towns in different muddy swamps in the same Spring month, so we decided to mock their originality and we called our spring tournament the Spring Thing.  

They did not seem to get the mocking part, which is always part of a good mocking.  I suppose if you were to all show up for a disc golf tournament wearing orange t-shirts and plus-fours, I would just think you had suddenly gotten a sense of style.