2005 ILLINOIS OPEN SERIES

[Jon Brakel]

2005 IOS hotstamp.

[Guest]

Are you joking? What kind of design is that. It's almost as bad as the bag tags. The color max design is good... but this one...not so good

[Bruce Brakel]

I think it is a great design for a lame concept.  It was my concept.  As lame as the concept is, compared to a lot of custom stamp stuff I see, at least it is not repulsive!  

The colormax design was my concept also but Jon made it much better than I was envisioning it when I was explaining it to him.  

The main purpose in doing custom Discraft stamping is to get their reduced pricing on tournament orders.  They like doing custom stamping for tournaments, for some reason, and give their best deals on that.  

I thought Kyle's robot stamp last year was way cool and it has really worked for selling overstock.  I've had people see that stamp on a disc they did not want and then ask if I have it on a putter or on a driver or whatever they do want.

If someone wants to design something cool for a single event, like the Rockford event or the Blast, we'll use it if we get it on time.  I'll even use a cooler series stamp if I get one.  Any hotstamp concept has to be one-color and it has to include the name and date of the event.  You can read up on hot stamp design at http://www.discraft.com/Web%20Pages/CustomDiscPrinting.html.

[Bruce Brakel]

Sorry.  Double post.  

I picked up a couple of freebie Venoms as prizes for participating in Kensington Clean-up Day.  Jim Kenner showed up with a box of stuff quite by surprise to support the effort.  These are going to be hot.  Very much like the Pro Line Starfire but more overstable.  

[Guest]

The old IOS series post page 5. I though was a little better. or use the one on page 4 of this one from circkml...I don't remember, but i thought there were a few more designs that others have done. I would do a quick vote.

[mirth]

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[mirth]

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[Jon Brakel]

The old IOS series post page 5. I though was a little better. or use the one on page 4 of this one from circkml...I don't remember, but i thought there were a few more designs that others have done. I would do a quick vote.

I liked Kevin's designs but had a couple of issues. The first was that I didn't want an outline of Illinois in this hotstamp. #2 was that this isn't a "Discontinuum" series and since I'm on the Board of Directors of Discontinuum I want to make sure that the Discontinuum name is used appropriately. Discontinuum is integral to the success of the series, but to say that it is presented by Discontinuum is misleading. Several of the events are also Discontinuum events, but not the whole series.

The three of us that oversee the series did take a vote. Two voted that the map stamp was "OK unless we find something better" and the third guy voted "I get plastic to throw, not to look at."

[Bruce Brakel]

On the past designs, my bad for not responding.  I must have missed some of those posts or dropped the ball in responding.  "Discontinuum Presents:" does not work because Discontinuum is not a partner in all of the events and the officers of Discontinuum did not want anyone misled that way.

I was fine with either stars and state logo generally if Jon liked them.  The first one needed Rockford in it.  The type face of the event details and slogan on the second one would be too small for hotstamping.  That design had too much in it to translate well as a hotstamp.  And I was not fond of the slogan.

Discraft requires that the design indicate the tournament name and date but for a series they are o.k. with a series name, year and website.  So 2005 Illinois Open Series or 2005 IOSeven like Jon is doing works.  And www.brasscash.com is necessary.  

If Jon likes what we have with the map, I'm fine with that.  For me a hotstamp is a hoop I have to jump through to get my Z-plastic priced down to $12 brass on the sticker.  If Jon is open to looking at other designs, I'm fine with that too.  

If I had something that was original and art and appealing to me, like Kyle's robot stamp from last year I'd go with it regardless of what Jon thought.  I'm not looking at the State and Star designs or the Mapquest design as being art.  Too me those are just Discraft acceptable hotstamp designs.  But art is subjective.  

If Jon is vetoing Illinois outline designs, I'm not overriding that veto.  

[Jon Brakel]

...If Jon is open to looking at other designs, I'm fine with that too.  

...If Jon is vetoing Illinois outline designs, I'm not overriding that veto.

I'll look at designs until Discraft actually starts hotstamping them.

You might want to e-mail me about your thoughts on design if you still want to submit something. cc Bruce if you'd like. The problem with posting a design on the message board is that everyone then thinks it is a work in progress and everyone wants to share their opinion. If you've ever done anything creative, you know that is a difficult work situation. So, I refrained from posting on those and meant to go back and IM Kevin later. Other issues became more pressing and I forgot to follow up with Kevin and I appologize for that.

I'll look at an Illinois outline design but I'm not out looking FOR another Illinois outline design. If someone has a fresh take on it, bring it on.

[Bruce Brakel]

Not to beat a dead robot, but I thought Kyle's design was very fresh.  This does not mean I'm looking for another robot.  But fresh and original is always appealing.

[SERG]

Too bad Kyle is so busy, we could put his talents to work for a new design.

I think the "Highway" stamp is pretty creative. Too bad it's not in color and have the cool highway signs and roads.

The only thing I disagree with is the IOSeven as the title. I'd rather see Illinois Open Series.

I agree with Jon regarding the whole artwork thing. You're not going to please everyone. Someone will always have criticisms about the work (see my suggestion above as evidence). Overall, the three that made the choice made an executive decision. Period. That's why they are the tri-organizers...they get paid the big bucks to make the tough decisions.  

[SERG]

Here's the art for the Discraft Colormax discs.

Very creative. I don't throw Discraft but may buy a disc just because of the design, as I did for the Blast Robot.

[Jon Brakel]

Here's the art for the Discraft Colormax discs.

Very creative. I don't throw Discraft but may buy a disc just because of the design, as I did for the Blast Robot.

Thanks. I think Bruce and I work best together when he comes up with the basic idea and I make it happen. I think the Gorgo is our best work ever but I've thought of ways to do that one better in the future if we ever have use for it again.

[kyle]

Serg is right, if I wasn't so busy I would have submitted some artwork. I'm still jammed for a couple of months, so maybe I can get something out towards the end of the tour. Glad to hear the Blast stamp helped sell some plastic.

I've got an idea for a cool Halloween stamp, so hopefully Widdershins (or is that WINDershins) will get another custom this year.

[Clonefan94]

Well, being a graphic designer myself, I know first hand how much I hate this kind of thing. Especially when you volunteer your time. It's easy to sit up on a pedestal and criticize someone's work. Especially when you do it anonymously. I'm sure most people here would agree, if you have something better, show it. Heck, even make constructive criticism. To just say how much you dislike it, imho, is a comment better left out. It's nice to know someone is at least taking the time to put a design together.

[circkml]

Hey, guys it's not me ripping into the artwork. I know how hard it is to do a design everyone likes. I am a graphic artist, for a 2 billion dollar company.  I deal with likes, dislikes and throw it away and start over everyday.  I honestly don't mind the design. It's not the greatest art I have ever seen. You have to take what people say and roll with it. Make it better if you think you can. Keep the concept try moving things around, adding, subtracting....Post all of them. I would love to give constructive critisism.  

[Dan Michler]

Hey, guys it's not me ripping into the artwork. I know how hard it is to do a design everyone likes. I am a graphic artist, for a 2 billion dollar company.  I deal with likes, dislikes and throw it away and start over everyday.  I honestly don't mind the design. It's not the greatest art I have ever seen. You have to take what people say and roll with it. Make it better if you think you can. Keep the concept try moving things around, adding, subtracting....Post all of them. I would love to give constructive critisism.

i think you got a bad rap then kevin, cuz people seemed to be implying that it was you who was posting anonymously.  i would agree that when it comes to any of this artwork people need to be open to criticism if they want to arrive at a design that is appealing to the largest number of people.

[Clonefan94]

Are you joking? What kind of design is that. It's almost as bad as the bag tags. The color max design is good... but this one...not so good

This is the only post I was referring to. I agree whole heatedly with good solid criticism that leads to a universally pleasing design. Unfortunately, I feel this is not one of those comments. This doesn't seem to be criticism as much as a senseless comment. Especially in their ability to interject their thoughts on the bag tags as well. Without adding anything constructive to the conversation.

[whofarted]

i like the designs so far, but here is an idea - what about just using text for the IOS hot-stamp?   there is enough writing between the cites, dates, name of the series, brasscash.com, possibly a slogan, and whatever else to either outline the disc in small writing or circle around it in many layers.  maybe have the outline of the state in the middle.  it would be easy to produce, look good in black, and be to the point.