2005 ILLINOIS OPEN SERIES

[Bruce Brakel]

Since Jon is entering scores in waves, the template might be calculating ratings in waves, and not recalculating previously submitted information.  In that case, the course misplay could account for the ratings difference.  

[Jon Brakel]

I fixed the problem. I didn't update the last wave for what course they played and the tool defaults to the first course setup. So it had those new pros that I entered as having played the new course twice, so it only rated them off their own scores.

It doesn't rate them in waves because each time I do an update I have it overwrite the previous update and I actually upload all the scores that I have entered.

This could be a way to shed light on the "myth" that getting rated with pros increases your round ratings.

[Jon Brakel]

Just an FYI to Mr. "J", reading "anonymous" e-mail is not speeding up the process of getting the scores posted.

[Chainmeister]

Ya know Hoyt Axton used to sing, "you work your fingers to the bone and what do you get...bony fingers." Jon, bust your butt and all you have is a hard time sitting.  Like I tell my kids, "it'll be done when its done."  If you fall asleep, crash your hard drive, dream of elves playing ninepins, or simply screw off, you will still get it done way before most others would.  But then again you have only yourself to blame by setting the bar too high by getting it done so damn quickly.    Whatever and whenever should be good enough.

[Jon Brakel]

All pro and advanced scores have been entered.

[Bruce Brakel]

Intermediate scores and unofficial ratings are up.

[Jon Brakel]

All scores and unofficial ratings are up.  

[DougEDawg]

I'm starting to agree with whoever said that you can get higher ratings for the same score if you are rated with the Pros and Advanced.  e. g.--At the IOS#4 it rained during the Int/Rec rounds on the old course, and the rainless, Pro/Adv rounds still got a higher rating for the same score.

[Jon Brakel]

You could see that also just by comparing the scores of the pros before and after I added the Advanced field. Although the top of the pro ratings stayed the same, for the bottom of the pros their unofficial round ratings came down a few points after I uploaded the advanced field.

[Bruce Brakel]

I'm starting to agree with whoever said that you can get higher ratings for the same score if you are rated with the Pros and Advanced.  e. g.--At the IOS#4 it rained during the Int/Rec rounds on the old course, and the rainless, Pro/Adv rounds still got a higher rating for the same score.

I predicted this effect based solely on the math a few years ago when the ratings formula was new.   The math geeks who were working on the formula cold not see it, probably because the effect has to do with how math interacts with real world variables.  Rapidly improving player drag down ratings for their pool.

It is hard to prove by examples because there are so many unaccounted variables, like the pros played over the sidewalk is o.b. on a particular hole and the amateur divisions did not.  Whenever I can find a tournament with no variables, it is usually there.  The NTs are often good for that.

I played the 2004 BHMO and can attest that we all played under the same conditions, pros in one pool, amateurs in the other.  Both days it was a little hotter and windier for the afternoon round.  Pros and ams each had one morning round and one afternoon round on the full course.  Both days the pro rounds are rated 13-20 points higher for the same course.  

The effect is more pronounced when the pool division is between Pro and Not Pro, rather than between Advanced and Intermediate.  The effect was non-significant at 2004 IOS 1 and 2.  

But the bottom line is, it does not matter because there is nothing wrong if a player wants to jigger his rating higher.  If you want to play up to the pro pool so that you can rate yourself out of Intermediate that much quicker, that works for everyone!  If you want to play up to the pro pool for the experience, but don't want to jigger your rating higher, on the last hole each round three-putt from ten feet.  Unless you normally three-putt from ten feet!    

[DougEDawg]

Or just make a mental not when comparing your ratings to the pros to add 12 points.

[Mike S]

looks like possible rain for saturday...  I dont care about playing in it, I just dont want to get my new car dirty when I show up all muddy and wet afterwards.    

[CEValkyrie]

Series Points after IOS #4 are attached.

Please make sure to double check yours.  

[Bruce Brakel]

There will likely be small amounts of "added cash" for Pro Masters and Pro Women at IOS #5 at Shady Oaks in Streamwood.  Kelsey will probably play Pro
Women and I will probably play Pro Master if I play.  Neither one of us will take any cash we might earn, so our entry fee is added cash no matter how we play.  

Another thing, we don't keep track of prizes that are inadvertantly declined.  If you finish in the prizes or cash and take off without collecting, it just goes back into the process.  We post payouts.  You can see before you leave how deep we are paying.  The payout skips over trophy-only players, so if it is close, ask or stick around for a bit.  

[kyle]

Anyone from Kenosha or Waukegan area heading down to Streamwood on Saturday?

[mirth]

Kyle, if you can get to my place you can ride with me....

[Bruce Brakel]

We have room in the van for a rider from Libertyville.  

[Bruce Brakel]

Diana wanted me to mention again that The Popstand will be at the tournament.  Due to the overwhelming popularity of the series this year, the Waterford Junior Girls Club has met their USWDGC fund raising goal for the year, but there is always next year.  

[mirth]

Anyone interested in preregistering please do so TONIGHT

The prereg page for IOS#5 will go offline tomorrow morning when I get into work.

[CEValkyrie]

Bruce has hooked up a qualifying event for Am Nationals for 2006, a Major Amateur event. As long as we get our scheduling done and go through correct procedures, one of the IOS legs will be a qualifying event.

For more information on Am Nationals go to http://www.amnationals.com/