reading the pdga message board....

[Bruce Brakel]

It's like that scene in Field of Dreams:

Ray Kinsella: I did it all, I listened to the voices, I did what they told me, and not once did I ask what's in it for me.
Shoeless Joe Jackson: What are you saying, Ray?
Ray Kinsella: I'm saying... what's in it for me?

[Stenky]

Bruce,

Don't worry, you have pissed me off once or twice, yet I still will be playing next Sunday (I will try to make it down for Saturday as well, just have to work around the Ace race up here....90 miles away )

By the way on the whole thread drift thing, I see that every TD has their audience for thier events. As long as they are honest and OK with what they are doing, I rarely have an argument (even with Terry).

Steve

[Working Stiff]

I've noticed a few of you have commented on the Wheel thread.  On that thread it was posted that "The thought put forth by a PDGA BoD member that this disc would render all others obsolete and that the game would become dominated by rollers, with strong but unskilled players able to throw these things a thousand feet is very far-fetched."

Does anybody know where that paraphrase comes from and which BoD member supposedly said it?

Edit:  Sorry, I found it.  It was Peter Shive, the guy who was elected to the BoD in a landslide that I didn't vote for.

[pickax]

Check the Ask Board Member Peter Shive thread.

[mirth]

Yeah, after throwing the wheel a few times last Sunday I was never able to get it to roll more than 100'. I could see it taking off forever on a paved surface, but how many disc golf fairways are asphalt or concrete?

[Working Stiff]

Skill will always be part of the equation.  Say I COULD roll this thing 1,000 ft.  So what?  How close to the basket am I going to be?  If it's a 400 ft hole and I can't control the darn disc, about 200 ft. farther away than I was off the tee! 

[Working Stiff]

I stumbled upon a discussion about a guy being a jerk during a PDGA event.  Here is the link:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Rules&Number=782268&page=0&fpart=all

The guy who caused all the problems?  You old timers will like this:  it was J.T. Rosenthal.   

[discpro99]

I stumbled upon a discussion about a guy being a jerk during a PDGA event.  Here is the link:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Rules&Number=782268&page=0&fpart=all

The guy who caused all the problems?  You old timers will like this:  it was J.T. Rosenthal.   
[/quote no thats funny. that guy is such an idiot. im glad he moved 1500 miles away.

[Working Stiff]

The time I remember J.T. being a pain was a tournament where the TD's first-round card came in late and nobody started checking scores, posting results or working on cards until he got in.  Once we figured out what was going on, a bunch of us started checking scores to help the TD get the second round off.  J.T. wanders up and instead of helping, he starts yelling out numbers..."Three!   Five!  Two!"  Have you ever tried to add up a disc golf scorecard with somebody yelling numbers at you?  Then when we passed out cards he loudly complained about the second round starting late.  Nice.

Anyway, other than through disc golf I didn't know the guy.  To me he seemed harmless, like a guy who was always trying to be funny but whose sense of humor never developed past what got laughs in the Jr. High lunch room.  The incident with covering the discs with leaves sounds like him.  He is probably still trying to figure out why everybody else didn't think that was funny.

[Jon Brakel]

I've had many occasions to play with J.T. and I have to agree that he just doesn't get funny sometimes. To make it worse, I think it's even funnier to him when people don't get that it's funny to him (read it again, that DOES to make sense!).

However, I best remember the time that it was fun to be around him for a day. One time I was helping with the expansion of Streamwood from the 9 hole course that it was to an 18 hole course. Tom Christiansen was leading the project and JT and I were working on relocating an existing basket. He and I worked as a two man team. The whole time I got to listen to JT bitch about Tom C. It was probably the most enjoyable time I ever spent with JT. He could really be funny and entertaining in certain situations and that one passed the time well.

[Working Stiff]

I'm too lazy to investigate this myself, so maybe somebody knows the answer.  I came across this discussion about players who start goofing off to make sure the round is bad enough to be dropped from the rating.  Chuck Kennedy said "I'm thinking we might look at including this in the competition guidelines as a case of unsportsmanlike conduct and produce a DQ for the event if players admit to booting a round for this reason."

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Ratings&Number=556248&page=0&fpart=65

What would this accomplish?  If you are dumping a round, you are not going to cash and you will not have to forfeit any winnings.  Is there a fine for being DQ'ed?  About all I can see that would hurt about this is that you would loose any points, but again you are dumping a round so there will not be many points to forfeit.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of unenforceable rules.  People can still dump a round, they just have to be smart enough to keep their mouth shut about it.  So, no big deal...it is much ado about nothing.  I was just wondering if there is any penalty to guys that are DQ'ed other than getting tossed from an event.

[pickax]

All DQs need to be reported to the PDGA and can be subject to disciplinary action. For those that are sponsored, being DQd could jeopardize their position.

[Working Stiff]

I see.  I figure if a sponsored player is dumping rounds to keep his/her rating up, the sponsor will probably notice before PDGA discipline catches up with you.  It's like the Brad Hammock thing.  Innova dropped him immediately after Worlds.  The PDGA put him on probation the next June.  The wheels of bureaucratic justice grind much slower than the private sector pink slip.
But they can throw an unsportsmanlike conduct DQ in there.  Why not?  It will be impossible to prove unless someone admits to it, but at least by making it a DQ the PDGA will have officially come out and said it is not OK to do this. 
Thanks for the info.
Edit:  Yes, I did flip-flop on my opinion of this.  Many apologies for the foolish inconsistency.

[Working Stiff]

Just a reminder that Under Par Mikey comes off PDGA message board suspension in two days.  Without a doubt he won't make it through the day, and that will be the last we hear from him for a year (unless of course he really is also Ransom Jones.)

It should make for an interesting Valentines day on the PDGA board.   

[pickax]

Last time it took UPM a few days to come out of hibernation.