Disc Golf vs. Ball Golf

[FiveTone]

I just posted my thoughts on a debate in Chico, CA over a fly 18 style course. Since we have two such courses in the area, I'd like to know what everyone else thinks. The post is at http://midwest-disc-golf-news.blogspot.com/

[CEValkyrie]

I've played disc golf on 3 golf courses. Edgebrook, White Mountain, & Byron, MI(Temporary). I have not had any problems with ball golfers. Many have been very interested asking questions. Many have no clue what the baskets even are for and have enjoyed watching us throw. All 3 courses have a nice flow to them blending in with ball golfers. I've played as a 2-some at Edgebrook & White Mt. We played much faster than ball golfers & all of them let us play thru with no problem. It also helps when you hand them a few golf balls that you have found.

I don't mind paying $10-$15.00 to play some disc golf on a golf course with carts. It's a different experience and has been enjoyable. It's a nice break from local courses. I don't go all the time so it's special every time I head out to a golf course. I get tiired of rude punks, garbage, & vandalism. There is none of this on golf courses. Those types of players don't play these courses.

Last, It is a different style of golf compared to duece of die courses. It will work many parts of your game you are not used to. Rollers, long drives, very long upshots, and putts that mean much more since you don't get lots of birdie chances.

[Bruce Brakel]

Fly 18 style disc golf sometimes has something disc golf lacks, and that is true par 4s and par 5s.  The course I played yesterday was a wonderful disc golf course, but it could fairly be described as an 18-hole par 52 course, with one par 4 and three par 2s.  Even the Tobbogan, one of the toughest courses in the midwest, which we pulled for the winter today, is aptly characterized as a par 63 with 9 4s and 9 3s.  I think that disc golf will not get widespread respect until we are playing a par 72, 18-hole game like "real" golf.  

[Bruce Brakel]

I would add that I agree with those who think most fly-18 style courses are too easy.  Although they might have length, they lack many of the challenges that make disc golf the interesting game that it is.  We will know that the sport has arrived when someone can make a living running a 40 acre par 72 disc golf course that is more fun and less of an ordeal than the Tobbogan.  

[amdiscgolfer]

This is a crazy question considering the Temp outside today - but are there any of these courses that are still open?

[Chainmeister]

This is a crazy question considering the Temp outside today - but are there any of these courses that are still open?

Funny you should mention it but I was wondering about Edgebook during the winter.  I know I often ski on golf courses in the winter. If Edgebrook is closed, is there any reason why we can't play fly 18 for free over the winter?  Could we do an ice bowl without paying greens fees? When does it officially close and reopen?  I was just wondering.  

And yes, it was colder than [insert your literary device here] today.  I was fool enough to ride to work and my fingers were so cold I couldn't unstrap my helmet for about 10 minutes after getting inside as the fingers just wouldn't work.  Brett better wear warm gloves at Fairfield tonight!

[Jon Brakel]

I am going to talk to the Edgebrook management sometime soon and I'll ask about winter play. I know when I surveyed the course last winter I was told that I could just walk on and do what I wanted--no one was there to ask me what I was doing. I would assume that if you were caught that at a minimum you would be escorted off the course and perhaps your name taken down in a report. But I would think you could be arrested for trespassing.

[Dan Michler]

[insert your literary device here]

balls

[Bruce Brakel]

The course is on publicly owned property.  Your lawyer says you cannot trespass on publicly owned property unless it is posted "No Trespassing" or otherwise secured against entry.  Too bad your lawyer is not licensed to practice in Illinois.  

[Chainmeister]

Your lawyer says you cannot trespass on publicly owned property unless it is posted "No Trespassing" or otherwise secured against entry.   

Let me get this straight.  You cannot trespass unless  the property is posted "no tresspassing."  So, if the property is marked "no tresspassing" its ok to tresspass.  

and yup, Dan, I froze those things off too.

[mirth]

lol, I think he meant you can 'trespass' on public land unless its marked otherwise.

[Jon Brakel]

lol, I think he meant you can 'trespass' on public land unless its marked otherwise.

No, no, no. If it is public land and it is NOT marked no trespassing, then you aren't trespassing you are just on public land. If it is public land it is marked no trespassing and you don't have permission to be there then you ARE trespassing.  

[mirth]

aren't we saying the same thing?

[Chainmeister]

aren't we saying the same thing?

I think you are.  I was busting Bruce for using too many negatives.  I think he meant just what Jon said.  Of course, I can't assume one is the other's keeper lest I get caned of he is able.  In any case, if it ain't marked  or otherwised closed off, we might be able to frolic in the snow there.  It might be worth considering for the winter.

[Jon Brakel]

aren't we saying the same thing?

Yes, I was just arguing over wording for the fun of it. No trespassing signs are funny to start with because there is no time when trespassing is allowed. If it were allowed then it isn't trespassing.

To get at the start of this trespassing discussion though, I think there's a sign just before the club house at Edgebrook that something along the lines of it being trespassing if you are on the golf grounds without checking in at the club house first. But I don't remember exactly what it said.

[Bruce Brakel]

The course is on publicly owned property.  Your lawyer says you cannot trespass on publicly owned property unless it is posted "No Trespassing" or otherwise secured against entry.  Too bad your lawyer is not licensed to practice in Illinois.

I said what I meant but you are misinterpretting the phrase "cannot trespass."  By "cannot trespass" I do not mean "shall not trespass" but "are not trespassing."  So lets try that again:

The course is on publicly owned property.  Your lawyer says you are not trespassing on publicly owned property unless it is posted "No Trespassing" or otherwise secured against entry.  Too bad your lawyer is not licensed to practice in Illinois.

[Bruce Brakel]

In many states it is a different offense to trespass on lands marked "No trespassing," than it is to tread on lands unmarked.  In some states a landowner may eject an unlawful entrant, but without knowlege or intent, the intrusion is non-criminal and might not be characterized as a trespass, or it might be a civil trespass and not a criminal trespass.  

I don't know much about Illinois law.  If the course were in my neighborhood, I would play it discretely when the facility was closed, but I would park on the street on the back nine and I would rehearse saying, "I'm sorry.  I was planning on paying when I got to the clubhouse but it was closed."  If the person busting you is a park employee and you hand him the money, he will pocket it and not call the police.  

[discmonkey]

By the way,

Played 3 rounds at Fairfield today, layered up, hood, hand warmer, had a great time.  I laugh at the cold!  

[Dan Michler]

nice!  u should come to glow tonight then.  7pm

[M. cephalus]

I am going to talk to the Edgebrook management sometime soon and I'll ask about winter play. I know when I surveyed the course last winter I was told that I could just walk on and do what I wanted--no one was there to ask me what I was doing. I would assume that if you were caught that at a minimum you would be escorted off the course and perhaps your name taken down in a report. But I would think you could be arrested for trespassing.

It is my understanding that the baskets are to be removed during the winter to prevent vandalism. However this was supposed to happen two weeks ago and last I heard they are still out there.